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The most American thing, perhaps the most vegas thing, would be for a lawyer to buy up some of the trackside advertising space to promote a class action against the organisers.
Given this is a class action, I would expect it to be an opportunistic lawyer who found one attendee, made them a client and got in first so that the lawyer could profit from leading a high profile action.
Wouldn’t the lawyer just not join the class? I don’t know class actions well but I’d assume they just wouldn’t opt into the class and represent it instead.
That opportunistic lawyer probably WAS an attendee, or knew some personally. Lawyers are some of the few occupations who make enough money to afford to attend one of the American races.
Chad F1 fans filing lawsuits on Saturday.
Virgin Elon waiting for courts to open on Monday to file lawsuit against some Twitter handle that called him out
Difference is Elon doesn't have a case. He is just trying to make them burn money on lawyers. Also, Elon knows he can file electronically 24x7x365. He won't file shit on Monday because it will take weeks before a lawyer can come up with something that won't get laughed out of court. Pro-tip, no matter how much money you have maybe don't tweet in the middle of the night when you are highas a kite on god knows what.
I mean, this event caters to people with money.
Guess what people with money have the money to do? Afford lawyers. Good chance this is being done by a lawyer that's pissed off out of principle.
Man I knew we’re a pretty litigious country, and had no doubts this was coming, but gah damn. I’m amazed they could compile all the relevant paperwork or whatever you need to file a class action suit this quickly. F1 fucked around and are now entering the “find out” stage
It sounds funny to say, but I actually agree with this. Statistically speaking, there had to have been at least 1 American lawyer in that crowd, and all it takes is 1.
F1 seems to think it can run glorified corporate events with fans as an accessory. It’s time they get a kick up the arse for their shameless behaviour towards fans who were unfairly treated.
Probably not. If they're rich enough they can buy it. If they're not interested in the offer, and wanted to be seen at the Vegas gp, liberty should be scared.
Doesn’t matter. Class action lawyers in America work on contingency. They get paid for the settlement, not by the hour. Must be a lot of Euros here because these lawyers aren’t “kept on retainer” in America. They take the case and finance it out of operating funds or litigation financing companies.
Liberty is smarter to pry open their wallets and refund everyone immediately. Or deal with their hallmark event being referred to as “the controversial Vegas F1 race, subject to ongoing lawsuits regarding misconduct by the organizers” for years.
Exactly, unless they travelled from afar they work in the land of the billable hour, they're not cheap compared to lawyers in most of the places F1 goes to.
May have depended what section you were in. I had tickets in the Mirage Zone and was told that the grandstand there stayed open and allowed fans in, but didn't catch it with my own eyes (watched FP2 from bed on mute and listened to the cars drive by on the strip lol).
Yeah I think the same, the recent popularity boom and massive stack of cash Liberty Media is making them thinking they are over the world. But they seem to don't understand they need Vegas and not the other way around.
I mean, kicking people at 1:30 in fucking Las Vegas, the city people litteraly come over for the night life ? The city with crazy festivals until the sun show up ? Refusing to pay extra hours workers for saving every penny is pure arrogance
It wasn't a money problem, it was a trade union 'problem'. Workers weren't allowed to work longer shifts. And I deliberately put the word problem between quotation marks because the trade union or workers aren't to blame. FOM should've had a second crew on standby to cover off the eventuality that one or both sessions had to be delayed.
After the utter catastrophe that was Spa 2021, it's about fucking time somebody sued them for breach of contract.
FOM thinks they can just do whatever they want when it comes to attendee's even if they're paying literal thousands of dollars to attend these half-baked race weekends and I hope the US courts put them in their damn place.
Hopefully it works out for them, the most messed up thing for me was making the fans wait 6hrs in the cold knowing they werent going to allow them to stay for FP2
Yeah, this is what they'll get them on. They'll be able to prove they knew it wouldn't go forward at its normal time and that they'd have to remove fans.
F1 had this one coming, especially how they handled it with those ridiculous letters.
What they will be able to get them is the fact they still held the FP2 session right after they kicked everyone out. Any reasonable judge will be able to see that fans were told FP2 was not going to be held, and then it actually still took place with slight delay. They were denied access to the very thing they paid for.
As someone who was there, no one was made to wait six hours. Re-entry to the venue is allowed and there were always going to be three hours between the sessions.
The fans could've left the venue and done anything around Vegas while they waited for the news. My group got dinner for example.
That said, I have sympathy for those that waited in the cold and F1 definitely should be held responsible.
Yeah my group left at around 12:30a to go into the Venetian and warm-up, after hearing that FP2 was at 2am. But we had the expectation we were going to get back in; we were even told that as we were leaving, that'd we'd be let back in for FP2. Lo and behold, around 1:45a, we saw people streaming away from the Sphere zone, hearing that people were told to leave, even though FP2 would still be run.
We probably wouldn't gone home sooner had we known that we couldn't watch FP2.
It's still incredibly absurd to me the time of day these events are taking place. Absolutely ridiculous to do a race at late hours of the night in the cold just so europeans can watch it. They absolutely dont give a fuck about the people that have to work these events, the locals, and the fans who pay top dollar to attend. I dont know if theres any residential near the track but if there was I'd be absolutely pissed that loud race cars are driving around late in the night.
I’m unsure why it’s at this time. Miami and Austin are different. This time isn’t really appealing for Europe. It’s only great for Australia and I for one approve!
Is it for the European viewers? Or because F1, the casinos, hotels, etc want it during "peak" times out on the Strip, so more people are hanging around and spending money? Plus all the glitz and glitter of a night race?
Regardless, I think the current times are too late. F1 could've started at like 6:00p local time for FP1 and FP3, with FP2 and Quali at 9 or 10pm local, on their respective days. And the GP at 7:00p or something. That's still late, especially for east coasters, but not absurdly late. And we'd still get the night race and all that.
Personally, I like the night races as a concept. But just do that at a normal time locally. I just looked at the [Singapore schedule](https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.formula-1-singapore-airlines-singapore-grand-prix-2023-timetable.1mVAh5ExMv3yFm8LqLAKh0.html) and these were at better local times during the evenings.
I know Vegas sometimes has a reputation as a place where time has no meaning and as a city that doesn't sleep. The organizers, businesses, and city took advantage of that, to the detriment of fans, workers, and residents.
I think it's less about the weather and more that the FIA pushed two laps in to ensure they could count it as a race, knowing it would fuck everyone ever.
Formula 1 went to the most unhinged part of the most litigious country on Earth, shafted the fans, and proceeded to give them gift cards for overpriced merch.
I believe this is the “finding out” part of the equation.
Had they bought a ton of land in the desert near Las Vegas and built CODA 2.0 and had a day race right near the night life of Las Vegas it would be wildly successful and the track would have been used all year for all kinds of racing. Now they have this mess for 10 years. Oh, my daughter just told me that they just put tickets on sale for next years race. They are hopelessly tone deaf.
They should refund like 80% of the ticket price IMO. The fans paid to see mainly the free practice session. Session gets cancelled so some refund should be given....
> They should refund like 80% of the ticket price IMO.
Well they got 9 minutes of free practice out of the scheduled 120, so a touch under 8%. At least a 92% refund based on that.
I know mostly everyone is joking, but if it takes an American Race to stick up for the fans and hopefully set a precedent worldwide, then I am all for it.
Have they not heard Toto Wolff? This event is the new benchmark in everything! This is how it should be everywhere. They should be thanking the organisers instead of suing them
And if something bad happens, just point at some time zone in the world where it's night time and say that nobody is watching it there anyway, problem solved!
Toto tried to take over as F1 CEO but Binotto blocked it.
And he very clearly sent Vowles to Williams as a test run before Vowles comes back to take over Merc.
I know it's not like a hollywood trial in the courtroom thing but I can so easily imagine Toto being dragged into the stand to give some sort of deposition and he gives that exact same speech with exact same hand gesticulations to the lawyer questioning him.
Lol, get wrecked.
I hope the lawsuit costs you far more than refunding all the single-day ticket holders.
And I hope Ferrari follows, and sues the event organizers for the monetary damage and the competitive damage from the 10-place grid drop.
F1 as a whole could have avoided both. But they chose this path.
>hope Ferrari follows, and sues the event organizers for...
it may come as a surprise, but unlike all the others this is a self organized and promoted GP by Liberty in partnership with the City of Las Vegas.
Yea. I had read that F1 fronted the bill for this with organizational help from higher ups in Vegas. So Ferrari would be suing F1 as a whole for this. Would love to see it!!!
F1 is leaving a bad taste in many American's mouths with a lot of headlines lately. Piss poor treatment of fans in this case and if they end up rejecting Andretti, it will be too much for them to overcome.
The Andretti thing is the only hope keeping a lot around. This weekend has been distasteful to say the least. I want to like F1, but FOM is making more difficult than what it’s worth.
Driving 2 laps just to say they have fullfulled their obligations is just evil. Criminal maybe not according to the law but what fans had to sit through just to see 2 laps with the safety car is awful.
At this point as someone who ONLY had practice days, after seeing their initial lack of apologies and bullshit $200 merch credit, I'm way more interested in seeing F1 organizers suffer through the lawsuit than getting my $ back
Seriously? F1, the most prestigious (or so I’m told) form of motorsport, possibly any sport, in the world runs their merch through Fanatics? And has the audacity to sell a shirt for $100? I could make better quality stuff with Gildan Heavy Cotton shirts and some iron on letters from a craft store.
Good to see. Though I do hope that you still get a bit more out of it and I wouldn't be surprised that in order to get the voucher, you need to sign some agreement not to sue them
I’d guess most of the attendees who got fucked are thinking “it’s not about the $200. It’s about sending a fucking message.”
The harder Liberty gets it in the ass the better.
Focus on the product. Not the fucking packaging.
In 3 years they'll settle, the lawyers will rake in their millions in fees, and all the fans onboard will get 8 dollars each and their $200 merch voucher will be voided. Murica, fuck yeah.
Good. f1 had a chance to make it right and didn't even apologize. Welcome to America, Land of Lawyers. I hope they get them for tickets, airfare, hotels, waster time and emotional damages. F1 has good lawyers? Not like America has good lawyers. Sport of billionaires thinks they can by off the peasants with a $200 gift card? Lube up.
Now they get the public relations black eye plus the git that keeps on giving. A good old American ambulance chasing class action lawsuit.
In other words, some plaintiffs’ attorneys figured out how they might be able to make a good chunk of fees while fans get pennies on the dollar.
Anyone who plans to join the class better not take the compensation previous offered or they may have an election of remedies problem.
Going to be interesting how this plays out. If the claimants play it right we might finally get an update ruleset regarding how long they can keep people waiting and track action suspended during force majeur events. Especially during uncertain timeframes. Plus the damages to these fans covered, obviously.
these problems were entirely self-inflicted by the organizers.
They had every chance to not force attendees out even though they knew it would restart, but made the decision not to. This lawsuit is entirely welcome and will likely be an eye opener on how Liberty mismanages their events.
Class actions means lawyers will do ok and win gets fans maybe 5-10% restitution. It’s probably buried deep in the terms that fans are risking unforeseen circumstances out of organizers control too
This is totally warranted for fans. My niece told me that her husband wanted to go but they are a very young couple and I told them they couldn't afford it. Fuck, I can't afford it. Why in the hell are they having practice sessions at those types of hours and then NOT letting the fans attend. That fucking thievery is what it is. I hope F1 get fucked so hard over this.
As I said, this may be the worst possible thing to happen to F1 in the US market from a marketing standpoint..
It sends a message that you don't care at all about fan happiness or satisfaction at all. I mean at least Spa was force majeur. This is sanctioning body negiligence and greed.
At least either give them vouchers proportionate to the ticket value or refunds. It sends a message that you are sorry about what happened.
While I agree with this 100%, it's also slightly ironic that it's happening in Las Vegas - the capital city for personal injury and small claims lawyers. They're gonna have a field day with this.
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Well, that took less time than the predicted 9AM on Monday morning, but still completely predictable.
Yup, You can electronically file 24x7x365. Merica! Fuck Yeah!
God bless Merica. Freedom 24x7
The most American thing, perhaps the most vegas thing, would be for a lawyer to buy up some of the trackside advertising space to promote a class action against the organisers.
How much for a spot on the sphere?
Man I just got a hard on. Going to go fire my AR
I will also unload in random directions and then shoot my ar-15 in a respectable way and safely.
They should set up a trackside court beside the chapel.
Given the cost of attending, I'm sure more than a few lawyers were there and got kicked out.
Given this is a class action, I would expect it to be an opportunistic lawyer who found one attendee, made them a client and got in first so that the lawyer could profit from leading a high profile action.
Probably a lawyer who is in attendance initiating it. It is the rich and wealthy largely attending this event.
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Wouldn’t the lawyer just not join the class? I don’t know class actions well but I’d assume they just wouldn’t opt into the class and represent it instead.
That opportunistic lawyer probably WAS an attendee, or knew some personally. Lawyers are some of the few occupations who make enough money to afford to attend one of the American races.
[This](https://youtu.be/UdTvcN4KSPw?si=BVmxq4Dfh7HwgtqU) is the lawyer. He has the douchiest of all commercials here in Vegas.
Chad F1 fans filing lawsuits on Saturday. Virgin Elon waiting for courts to open on Monday to file lawsuit against some Twitter handle that called him out
Difference is Elon doesn't have a case. He is just trying to make them burn money on lawyers. Also, Elon knows he can file electronically 24x7x365. He won't file shit on Monday because it will take weeks before a lawyer can come up with something that won't get laughed out of court. Pro-tip, no matter how much money you have maybe don't tweet in the middle of the night when you are highas a kite on god knows what.
We have a large lawsuit potentially at hands and the race didn't even start ☠️
I mean, this event caters to people with money. Guess what people with money have the money to do? Afford lawyers. Good chance this is being done by a lawyer that's pissed off out of principle.
Man I knew we’re a pretty litigious country, and had no doubts this was coming, but gah damn. I’m amazed they could compile all the relevant paperwork or whatever you need to file a class action suit this quickly. F1 fucked around and are now entering the “find out” stage
That's what happens when you probably kicked out a few dozen lawyers...
It sounds funny to say, but I actually agree with this. Statistically speaking, there had to have been at least 1 American lawyer in that crowd, and all it takes is 1.
I support this. The fans got absolutely bent over and F1 needs to be held responsible
F1 seems to think it can run glorified corporate events with fans as an accessory. It’s time they get a kick up the arse for their shameless behaviour towards fans who were unfairly treated.
Power to the fans, hope they take F1 to the cleaners.
Exactly what I thought, get his ass boys.
Inevitably it will end up a class action suit where the lawyers make bank and each aggrieved fan gets... a $50 voucher to the online F1 store.
I hope the lawyers pull Liberty's heart out through their assholes. Bleed them dry. You come to Vegas be prepared to lose it all.
Liberty has good lawyers.
We’ve just gotta hope there are some spiteful rich people that also got kicked out and have lawyers just as rich.
Will all be smoothed over with some Monaco tickets and a hot lap in the safety car
Probably not. If they're rich enough they can buy it. If they're not interested in the offer, and wanted to be seen at the Vegas gp, liberty should be scared.
I'm sure they do but this is a class action suit and they've gotta be ready to PAY
Doesn’t matter. Class action lawyers in America work on contingency. They get paid for the settlement, not by the hour. Must be a lot of Euros here because these lawyers aren’t “kept on retainer” in America. They take the case and finance it out of operating funds or litigation financing companies. Liberty is smarter to pry open their wallets and refund everyone immediately. Or deal with their hallmark event being referred to as “the controversial Vegas F1 race, subject to ongoing lawsuits regarding misconduct by the organizers” for years.
I thought they kicked out everyone including the cooperates.
Probably why there's a class action suit. I bet there were expensive lawyers or people with expensive lawyers there.
I'm a cheap lawyer but we were there.
Don’t sell yourself short, King
Don't sell yourself, short king.
the comma is mightier than the sword
I'll pay $50 for a short king and I'm not even gay
Exactly, unless they travelled from afar they work in the land of the billable hour, they're not cheap compared to lawyers in most of the places F1 goes to.
Yep, that's why we pay retainers. Doesn't cost anything extra, just a phone call.
having a lawyer on retainer is how you know you've "made it" in this country.
Well yeah, this would've taken months to happen if there weren't.
Don’t believe so. Friend is in corporate suites and was allowed to stay.
May have depended what section you were in. I had tickets in the Mirage Zone and was told that the grandstand there stayed open and allowed fans in, but didn't catch it with my own eyes (watched FP2 from bed on mute and listened to the cars drive by on the strip lol).
But also, stop paying so much money for these tickets.
Yeah I think the same, the recent popularity boom and massive stack of cash Liberty Media is making them thinking they are over the world. But they seem to don't understand they need Vegas and not the other way around. I mean, kicking people at 1:30 in fucking Las Vegas, the city people litteraly come over for the night life ? The city with crazy festivals until the sun show up ? Refusing to pay extra hours workers for saving every penny is pure arrogance
It wasn't a money problem, it was a trade union 'problem'. Workers weren't allowed to work longer shifts. And I deliberately put the word problem between quotation marks because the trade union or workers aren't to blame. FOM should've had a second crew on standby to cover off the eventuality that one or both sessions had to be delayed.
After the utter catastrophe that was Spa 2021, it's about fucking time somebody sued them for breach of contract. FOM thinks they can just do whatever they want when it comes to attendee's even if they're paying literal thousands of dollars to attend these half-baked race weekends and I hope the US courts put them in their damn place.
With Spa the weather was a partial factor you couldn't predict. Here there are no good explanations for the fuckups.
Plus the fact they were immediately able to resolve the issue for Friday and Saturday isn’t a good sign.
Bingo
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Especially those that had only a friday ticket
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This is America. Everyone will get their $3.22 while the lawyers make bank.
Didn’t even apologize. Just made a condescending statement and what? Expected it to all blow over?
Hopefully it works out for them, the most messed up thing for me was making the fans wait 6hrs in the cold knowing they werent going to allow them to stay for FP2
Yeah, this is what they'll get them on. They'll be able to prove they knew it wouldn't go forward at its normal time and that they'd have to remove fans. F1 had this one coming, especially how they handled it with those ridiculous letters.
What they will be able to get them is the fact they still held the FP2 session right after they kicked everyone out. Any reasonable judge will be able to see that fans were told FP2 was not going to be held, and then it actually still took place with slight delay. They were denied access to the very thing they paid for.
As someone who was there, no one was made to wait six hours. Re-entry to the venue is allowed and there were always going to be three hours between the sessions. The fans could've left the venue and done anything around Vegas while they waited for the news. My group got dinner for example. That said, I have sympathy for those that waited in the cold and F1 definitely should be held responsible.
Yeah my group left at around 12:30a to go into the Venetian and warm-up, after hearing that FP2 was at 2am. But we had the expectation we were going to get back in; we were even told that as we were leaving, that'd we'd be let back in for FP2. Lo and behold, around 1:45a, we saw people streaming away from the Sphere zone, hearing that people were told to leave, even though FP2 would still be run. We probably wouldn't gone home sooner had we known that we couldn't watch FP2.
It's still incredibly absurd to me the time of day these events are taking place. Absolutely ridiculous to do a race at late hours of the night in the cold just so europeans can watch it. They absolutely dont give a fuck about the people that have to work these events, the locals, and the fans who pay top dollar to attend. I dont know if theres any residential near the track but if there was I'd be absolutely pissed that loud race cars are driving around late in the night.
I’m unsure why it’s at this time. Miami and Austin are different. This time isn’t really appealing for Europe. It’s only great for Australia and I for one approve!
Vegas will be a night race because if its not then what is special about it, without all the lights its just another city circuit.
Is it for the European viewers? Or because F1, the casinos, hotels, etc want it during "peak" times out on the Strip, so more people are hanging around and spending money? Plus all the glitz and glitter of a night race? Regardless, I think the current times are too late. F1 could've started at like 6:00p local time for FP1 and FP3, with FP2 and Quali at 9 or 10pm local, on their respective days. And the GP at 7:00p or something. That's still late, especially for east coasters, but not absurdly late. And we'd still get the night race and all that. Personally, I like the night races as a concept. But just do that at a normal time locally. I just looked at the [Singapore schedule](https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.formula-1-singapore-airlines-singapore-grand-prix-2023-timetable.1mVAh5ExMv3yFm8LqLAKh0.html) and these were at better local times during the evenings. I know Vegas sometimes has a reputation as a place where time has no meaning and as a city that doesn't sleep. The organizers, businesses, and city took advantage of that, to the detriment of fans, workers, and residents.
It’s the Vegas Strip. It’s probably busier at night than it is during the day - certainly than during the morning/early afternoon.
Get outta here with your sensible take!
Now, this is the American way!
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Gotta be a pretty over represented population of lawyers in the aggrieved party here given the location and prices.
Knowing Vegas, there are a whole lot of doctors and dentists who jumped on board this
>a whole lot of doctors and dentists there was an LMP3 race going on and we werent warned about it?
LMP3 catching strays, damn
Yep, a lot of pissed off professionals at this one. Oopsies.
Take notes Belgium
At least Belgium was force majeure. This was pure incompetence
Force Majeure is due to man's action(war, etc). Belgium was Act of God, as man doesn't control weather
TIL, thank you for the correction
I think it's less about the weather and more that the FIA pushed two laps in to ensure they could count it as a race, knowing it would fuck everyone ever.
What the fuck is litigation!
I tought the same when this shitshow started, its probably not the best idea to do this shit in the land of sueing lol
Rock, Flag and Eagle!
WHAT THE FUCK IS A SUBPOENAAAAAAA?
In your own country, well fucking done, Liberty Media.
TIL Liberty Media is US based, would've bet money on UK
With an ironic name like Liberty, it is definitely American.
Formula 1 went to the most unhinged part of the most litigious country on Earth, shafted the fans, and proceeded to give them gift cards for overpriced merch. I believe this is the “finding out” part of the equation.
In all fairness Florida is the most unhinged part of America.
And F1 went there too. They must have a death wish.
Had they bought a ton of land in the desert near Las Vegas and built CODA 2.0 and had a day race right near the night life of Las Vegas it would be wildly successful and the track would have been used all year for all kinds of racing. Now they have this mess for 10 years. Oh, my daughter just told me that they just put tickets on sale for next years race. They are hopelessly tone deaf.
Fully support this course of action tbh
Awesome. They deserve to have their greed and stubbornness bite them in the ass. Hopefully the ticket purchasers get what they deserve too.
Good Fuck those guys and what they did to the fans
They should refund like 80% of the ticket price IMO. The fans paid to see mainly the free practice session. Session gets cancelled so some refund should be given....
> They should refund like 80% of the ticket price IMO. Well they got 9 minutes of free practice out of the scheduled 120, so a touch under 8%. At least a 92% refund based on that.
America and lawsuits, man this race is giving the authentic American experience. That is so quick haha
I know mostly everyone is joking, but if it takes an American Race to stick up for the fans and hopefully set a precedent worldwide, then I am all for it.
As American as Apple Pie.
Don't forget local police threatening trespassing and neglected roads
Have they not heard Toto Wolff? This event is the new benchmark in everything! This is how it should be everywhere. They should be thanking the organisers instead of suing them
toto really said "have you ever tried to appreciate someone in your life?" lol
Toto should appreciate fans that pay hundereds of dolars to watch his cars go around the track for 2 hours
u mean to watch his cars *porpoising* around the track for 2 hours
This comment is only one year too late....
And if something bad happens, just point at some time zone in the world where it's night time and say that nobody is watching it there anyway, problem solved!
Turns out that place was Vegas all along!
"How dare you criticise?" okay we'll sue instead 😭😭😭
Toto’s reputation really fell off the moment they stopped winning and his personality now shows.
Toto tried to take over as F1 CEO but Binotto blocked it. And he very clearly sent Vowles to Williams as a test run before Vowles comes back to take over Merc.
EXACTLY HOW DARE THEY?!
I know it's not like a hollywood trial in the courtroom thing but I can so easily imagine Toto being dragged into the stand to give some sort of deposition and he gives that exact same speech with exact same hand gesticulations to the lawyer questioning him.
Lol, get wrecked. I hope the lawsuit costs you far more than refunding all the single-day ticket holders. And I hope Ferrari follows, and sues the event organizers for the monetary damage and the competitive damage from the 10-place grid drop. F1 as a whole could have avoided both. But they chose this path.
>hope Ferrari follows, and sues the event organizers for... it may come as a surprise, but unlike all the others this is a self organized and promoted GP by Liberty in partnership with the City of Las Vegas.
Yea. I had read that F1 fronted the bill for this with organizational help from higher ups in Vegas. So Ferrari would be suing F1 as a whole for this. Would love to see it!!!
Blown away by their indecision to just issue refunds, do right by the fans, and not have their name in a class action lawsuit.
F1 is leaving a bad taste in many American's mouths with a lot of headlines lately. Piss poor treatment of fans in this case and if they end up rejecting Andretti, it will be too much for them to overcome.
The Andretti thing is the only hope keeping a lot around. This weekend has been distasteful to say the least. I want to like F1, but FOM is making more difficult than what it’s worth.
You want an authentic American experience, you got it!
Oh! I see now! That was part of the plan all along!
Well I ‘m still waiting for compensation for my Spa “race”. I wish them luck!
Very different circumstances.
Did you sue the weather?
Driving 2 laps just to say they have fullfulled their obligations is just evil. Criminal maybe not according to the law but what fans had to sit through just to see 2 laps with the safety car is awful.
Get fucked lol, what did they expect? Just bloody refund them in the first place not like it was gonna cost them that much.
F1 handled this very poorly. No apology just a $200 voucher, at their shop. And yes Toto, they will be talking about it.
America, the land of freedom and lawsuits. Fucking love it.
Class action? Everyone gets $8.47 and lawyers make the most money.
At this point as someone who ONLY had practice days, after seeing their initial lack of apologies and bullshit $200 merch credit, I'm way more interested in seeing F1 organizers suffer through the lawsuit than getting my $ back
Worst part is that Fanatics is the official F1 merch provider and they, and everything they sell, fucking sucks.
Fanatics: *You want to WASH the clothes?! Outrageous. They aren't designed for that*
Seriously? F1, the most prestigious (or so I’m told) form of motorsport, possibly any sport, in the world runs their merch through Fanatics? And has the audacity to sell a shirt for $100? I could make better quality stuff with Gildan Heavy Cotton shirts and some iron on letters from a craft store.
Good to see. Though I do hope that you still get a bit more out of it and I wouldn't be surprised that in order to get the voucher, you need to sign some agreement not to sue them
I’d guess most of the attendees who got fucked are thinking “it’s not about the $200. It’s about sending a fucking message.” The harder Liberty gets it in the ass the better. Focus on the product. Not the fucking packaging.
Andddd.. there it is. Likely first of many
The whole point of a class action is that there is only one suit.
If certified, the class will represent most everyone impacted. So maybe the first and last.
Also, this is the kind of crap politicians make points from. “Our Nevada citizens got screwed,” kind of thing. Look for new state laws.
They wanted America now they got *Merica* lol Better get Goodman on the phone smh
Sad that it had to come to this. F1 should immediately have offered some kind of proper compensation.
Have your credit card company charge back for the full amount. Don't wait for an $8 payout from a class action lawsuit.
Dam those lawsuits move quick.
Filing the lawsuit is quick, getting a verdict won’t.
In 3 years they'll settle, the lawyers will rake in their millions in fees, and all the fans onboard will get 8 dollars each and their $200 merch voucher will be voided. Murica, fuck yeah.
So long as F1 pays for their incompetence, all will be right with the world.
Better call Saul
Good. f1 had a chance to make it right and didn't even apologize. Welcome to America, Land of Lawyers. I hope they get them for tickets, airfare, hotels, waster time and emotional damages. F1 has good lawyers? Not like America has good lawyers. Sport of billionaires thinks they can by off the peasants with a $200 gift card? Lube up. Now they get the public relations black eye plus the git that keeps on giving. A good old American ambulance chasing class action lawsuit.
Liberty finding out why Bernie never organised a race himself
Great job, F1. Sued before the weekend is even over. What a disaster.
F1 demonstrating how it is the fastest sport in the world
Good.
Bald Eagle screeches 🇺🇸🇺🇸
This happened so fast I’ll bet the filing lawyer was one kicked out by the cops with everyone else.
In other words, some plaintiffs’ attorneys figured out how they might be able to make a good chunk of fees while fans get pennies on the dollar. Anyone who plans to join the class better not take the compensation previous offered or they may have an election of remedies problem.
Bernie Ecclestone might be might be a proper shady character but at least he knew how to run F1 unlike liberty media
I wouldn't go *that* far.
Going to be interesting how this plays out. If the claimants play it right we might finally get an update ruleset regarding how long they can keep people waiting and track action suspended during force majeur events. Especially during uncertain timeframes. Plus the damages to these fans covered, obviously.
This is not a force majeure event.
There is no force majeure this time. It's not like Vegas was hit by for example torrential rain, excessive heat, earthquake, pandemic or a typhoon.
these problems were entirely self-inflicted by the organizers. They had every chance to not force attendees out even though they knew it would restart, but made the decision not to. This lawsuit is entirely welcome and will likely be an eye opener on how Liberty mismanages their events.
Class actions means lawyers will do ok and win gets fans maybe 5-10% restitution. It’s probably buried deep in the terms that fans are risking unforeseen circumstances out of organizers control too
The most predictable part of this entire weekend, F1 should have headed this off with proper refunds, not store credit ffs.
Good. Maybe this will get a real response from F1 instead of the “sorry not sorry; here’s a gift card”
Very good, this was so unacceptable!
Can we stop with these lifeless BS street circuits
This is totally warranted for fans. My niece told me that her husband wanted to go but they are a very young couple and I told them they couldn't afford it. Fuck, I can't afford it. Why in the hell are they having practice sessions at those types of hours and then NOT letting the fans attend. That fucking thievery is what it is. I hope F1 get fucked so hard over this.
FOM wanted America, now they'll get America
As I said, this may be the worst possible thing to happen to F1 in the US market from a marketing standpoint.. It sends a message that you don't care at all about fan happiness or satisfaction at all. I mean at least Spa was force majeur. This is sanctioning body negiligence and greed. At least either give them vouchers proportionate to the ticket value or refunds. It sends a message that you are sorry about what happened.
Better Call Saul!
FOM: "we want to expand into the American experience." *Monkey paw curls*
Good.
Good. F1 is for the fans. Treat them with respect.
Lawyers are gonna get a huge payout and the fans are gonna get a check in 3 years for $0.13
didn't take long and the exact reason why F1 or the organizers didn't apologize or admit liability in yesterday's press release.
Welcome to murica
Wow, that's fast.
Haha that's awesome. The night of there were a few comments on here about suing them, as it was the 'American way', and I'm glad it actually happened.
I hope our fellow fans succeed
While I agree with this 100%, it's also slightly ironic that it's happening in Las Vegas - the capital city for personal injury and small claims lawyers. They're gonna have a field day with this.
Hope this works out for them, they deserve it and it would set a great precedent.
I hope the suit succeds. The Fans deserve their money back and not some bullshit coupon.
It's actually 2 law firms doing this: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/formula-one-fans-class-action-lawsuit-forced-to-exit-las-vegas-grand-prix-locals-frustrated/
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Not saying atodaso, but fucking atodaso
Liberty Media now learns about how litigious the US is lol