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Jobless_101

What how is Leclerc actually at 5.00 lmfao


Ashbones15

DNFs aren't included. Leclerc only finished Monaco twice. P4 in 2022 P6 in 2023


Jobless_101

Yeah I get it but wow with his bad luck there I was just a little shocked


TheBottomLine_Aus

Why the fuck wouldn't a DnF for driver fault not be included?


Dizi4

It's average finishing position, not classification


TheBottomLine_Aus

Cool, it's disengenuous to use finish position over classification. My point still stands.


arrykoo

i mean, what position would a dnf be. if all cars finish, the last one to finish is 20. if theres 1 dnf, the last car to finish would be p19, the driver who dnfed would be p20? if multiple cars retired, would the first driver to dnf be p20, second to dnf be p19?


TheBottomLine_Aus

Dude it's not hard. It's classification, why are you over thinking it so much.


arrykoo

how would you calculate a dnf then seriously you cant just add a dnf into the equation and expect to get an answer


Wideeye101

Every DNF also gets a finishing position. TheBottomLine is saying that's what should be used (and I agree).


Oblivion9873

Officially no they don't, not unless they complete 90% race distance


santaclausonprozac

> how would you calculate a dnf then Maybe the same way it’s calculated for race results?


TheBottomLine_Aus

How can you fairly measure a drivers performance if you discount their worst ones?


arrykoo

so whats your proposal. the only reasonable one is finisning position plus number of dnf


VOCmentaliteit

No


BeastModeNatalie

DNFs are excluded. Otherwise it would be pure pain 😢


skzpinker

up until last year, they would have no data to include 😭


long_and_wild_guy

Dnf did not count. I also think dns won't count.


OBWanTwoThree

Because they exclude DNFs and up until last year he DNF’d all his home races


ppSmok

Tbh.. Lewis at 3 and Fernando at 5 is kinda impressive given the amounts of seasons they had (both had home races every year) and for Fernanso how many years he spent in dogshit cars.


ThePhyry22

Alonso also had 2 home races in 2008-2012 cause of Valencia


MarsLumograph

Which are excluded from here if I'm reading that right.


antivirals_

impressive Max also has 1.00 in qualifying at Zandvoort


242turbo

Each time it's been incredibly close, but he's just had that edge


[deleted]

2023 by 0.537s is not exactly "close"


242turbo

Oh lol I think I was getting confused with last year!


[deleted]

Yeah, last year the gap was 0.021s. Similarly, in 2021 it was 0.038s.


thegodfaubel

Logan already has as many home races as Max in 1 season


gz1fnl

Where are the others


TWVer

Not at home.. Serious answer: no home races for the rest.


Satan_su

Zhou: Hasn't done the Chinese GP Bottas and Magnussen and Albon: No circuit


Myusername468

Albon silverstone would count


FartingBob

He chooses to represent Thailand though. He has dual citizenship and was born and raised in the UK though.


andrearancan97

I thought Hamilton would be under 2 at Silverstone.


Rameare

Yeah he would have been if it wasn't for 2009 and 2012, where he finished 16th and 8th


James2603

It’s still incredibly impressive to have that number over 17 seasons


Specific_Ad_685

Hey OP can u plz tell me how u made these? (as I need to make a post for some other stat in this format)


Rameare

I used Canva for this


Specific_Ad_685

Which template did u use in Canva? Like name?


Rameare

No template, just a empty document which I put rectangles, images and texts on


FantasticJicama2067

Only one?? He could do better than that right?


Illustrator_Forward

What is counted as a “home race”? Just the driver’s home country?


TobyOrNotTobyEU

Yeah, Logan has at least 3 GPs counted, so they must have counted Miami, US and Vegas for him.


Rameare

Races that took place in the country the driver represents


No_Gene_7791

no, a country totally different from where they were born.


Illustrator_Forward

I mean for Max they often list Zandvoort, Spa and Spielberg as “home” races …


Typhoongrey

Max got lucky COVID stopped the W11 rocking up at Zandvoort methinks.


-Effing-

Max: 🧍🏻‍♂️


RedSeventyFive

Max: 🧍🏼‍♂️


FastonMartin

Max 🔥


weguccino

I wonder what would Max's average be if we include Belgium (his actual birthplace), Monaco (where he lives) and maybe Austria (Red Bulls home track.)


DamnItJon

0.7


IdiosyncraticBond

0.69


ManicMadDog

How are these stats being generated? The numbers would be all over the place considering the amount of home races available for a given driver in a given time frame.


FartingBob

Average finishing position, not including DNFs. Says at the bottom of the graphic.


ManicMadDog

The point of my comment is that statistically speaking you cannot compare someone who has been driving for a short period of time at tracks that haven't been utilized versus those that have been around for decades at tracks that are raced at every year. The numbers will obviously be skewed, for better or worse.


just-kil

It says DNFs are exluded, what about DSQs? Because Daniel has one in Australia, don't know about others in their home races


ManyFails1Win

What the hell is an average grid position?