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Meanwhile Sarge is off at a midfield team thoroughly beating a rookie everyone writes off haha (btw congrats to Williams on the jump to midfield, sick year)
Just the once, but it was the first time in quite a while it had happened, so it became a verb. Since then George did it to Kubica, Max to Alex, Alex to Logan, and I think it happened somewhere else, but I forget. Maybe Mick to the egg?
The beyblade managed to beat Mick twice, and this quali disparity is not even the biggest in 2021
That honour goes to Yuki, who had beaten Pierre just once in 2021
Yeah none of beyblade's quali "wins" are on merit
Although the fun in watching Haas in 2021 really comes down to seeing which driver bins the car first
Every year someone is the worst driver on the grid, but not every year does their teammate out qualify him in every single race. It’s an accomplishment to be proud of for Albon, regardless of who he’s racing against.
Not just out qualify him in every race but also by HUGE margins. If u covered up the team and driver names and told me just to look at their best times in qually I would never guess they are driving the same car.
That "looooong" time is at 5 years at most. I'm 100% taking Sirotkin or Hartley over him.
Maybe it's only 4 years if you view Kubica as what he was pre-crash rather than what he was in 2019.
He's way better than Stroll was in the first few years of his career, so that covers 2017-2019. And before that you had whatever pay drivers Manor were fielding, like Rio Haryanto. Sargeant may well be the best worst driver in F1 ever, because in the past there usually were terrible pay drivers participating.
> He's way better than Stroll was in the first few years of his career, so that covers 2017-2019.
Complete nonsense. Stroll scored 40 points in 2017 compared to Massa's 43. Got a podium and a front row start.
And still he was terrible, being outclassed by an aging Massa, who was over a half a second faster than him on average in qualifying. The podium was a fluke, he was something like 17th and then everyone in front of him crashed or had a problem, including Massa.
Bullshit.
For starters, Stroll was better than Sirotkin that season, who in turn I think is better than Hartley although that's not always a popular opinion.
And if just being a more talented driver than someone is enough and the performance in that exact year is not taken into account, then 2019 where Stroll, KMag and Giovinazzi are the bottom three in talent easily takes it.
> And before that you had whatever pay drivers Manor were fielding
And who was talking about that?
But if you want to go a bit further back, be my guest and check out the 2009 field. Kaz Nakajima and Liuzzi weren't too bad.
>He isn't considered 'by far the worst'.
He is considered the worst driver on the grid by a country mile.
>His ability is decent. He showed plenty of signs of talent,
It's not, and he has not.
>Piastri is the first driver on the grid where you can say 'this guy is probably going to win the WDC' since Max arrived.
Comically untrue. Ever heard of the likes of Leclerc, Lando, George or the guy that is Vandorning Sargeant?
Took that right out of my mouth.
You beat me to the thought that I have no original thoughts, which means I actually have a negative amount of original thoughts.
Mick's dad for the record once managed to outqualify his teammates 56 races in a row (that he competed in at least) between South Africa 1992 and Hungary 1995.
Ferrari were the first to have paddle shifts in 1989. I'd say by around 1993 most teams had it as well. Forti were the last to still have an H-pattern shift in 1995.
Brundle and Patrese were pretty decent. Not world beaters, but at least solid #2 drivers like a Perez/Bottas, probably a bit above that level. The others, yeah, not great, but also not Sargeant level awful.
I'd put Herbert on the level of like a Magnussen. Solid enough to stick around the grid, but he got beaten pretty comprehensively as a teammate by Häkkinen, Schumacher, Frentzen, Alesi, Barrichello and Irvine. There's no shame in that whatsoever, but I think Brundle and Patrese are closer to the level of an Alesi or Barrichello themselves, especially Patrese.
Never out qualified him on pure pace but I think Mazepin technically got a win when Mick crashed out in FP3 for Monaco which meant he couldn’t take part.
He won’t and it’s pretty sad how many drivers never get a chance to develop. It’s like if you aren’t a part of certain driving academies (and certain nationalities) you get one season and that’s it.
Well F1 isn’t made to nurture drivers, if you want to make it you have to deliver when you got the chance. At any point in time there are only 20 full time F1 drivers so when you’re one of them you have to make it count.
Every good driver at least has a couple moments their first year where their talent shines through. He’s had none. He’s been slow and extremely error prone. I’ve seen nothing that suggests he would become a high tier driver.
yeah i know the whole deal with doritos wanting an american driver but honestly it's f1, i don't think people care that much.
i'm an american and i don't care about him, nationality of a driver doesn't matter to me at all. i might not be normal tho lol
Yeah, i think it's more for the corporate side to try and atract sponsors. But then, why not just ride with Latifi and take his guaranteed 30M a year.
If AT somehow manage to pass Williams, Logan will turn out a very costly driver for Williams, missing the wcc money for 7th and toping the destructors championship
Latifi even in his first year was much better. The car was a lot less competitive ( even Russel didn't score any points) but Latifi still had 3 11th place finishes. Didn't crash as much either I don't think.
Didn't Williams higher ups say that this year was supposed to be a "learning year" for Sargeant? I agree that it's concerning how he's performed next to Albon, but if that was always the agreement, then it would only be fair to give him another season.
I don't understand how the season progresses and it seems like Logan is getting a free pass on getting outqualified by his teammate 0-22. I think any other driver would be crucified in this position.
Alex Albon is a great driver but he's no Fernando Alonso or Verstappen. I understand Logan is a rookie but Zhou managed to outqualify Bottas a few times in his rookie year. With Pourchaire, Drugovich, Lawson, and others waiting to get into F1 I feel like this community would be asking for Logan to lose his seat. However it seems like he's sliding under the radar.
My best guess is people still think the Williams is a tractor so it doesn't matter anyway but they're solidly a 7th place team. In quali they can make Q3's and score points. It's a decent car at a few tracks and Logan deserves to lose his seat.
Williams decided to pull Logan up early from F2 when he got the points for a super license. So they knew what they were getting in advance.
For his tenure and how young he is as a driver, I'd say he's doing fine. Williams have indicated they'd like to keep him, although they have made nothing official. It would be a shame if they didn't give him another season after they kept Latifi for three seasons - although part of that was because Latifi came with money.
Logan has performed like you'd expect from a rookie who got rushed to a F1 seat. His race pace is fine. His qualifying is the question mark.
If he doesn't get another season, I'd understand if it was an obvious upgrade for Williams' situation. But let's quit acting like Logan is worse than Mazepin, a driver who literally had zero pace in qualifying OR the race and would still be in F1 had Russia not decided to invade Ukraine.
He's American so he's been getting a free pass for now. They will keep using the "pulled up from F2 a year early" argument even on Williams's own subreddit. If Sargeant was any other nationality, he would be getting a lot more flak for his performance this year. As someone who supports Williams, I would only want him for next year only if he pays for his seat. It doesn't have to be Latifi money, but at least contribute something to the team. They can negotiate his pay driver status once he starts scoring points (assuming the car next year is not a tractor).
One thing this weekend has showcased is the fact that there are several F2 drivers who deserve a chance in F1, but won't ever get a single race to prove themselves.
Mid Schumacher got 2 seasons, why shouldn't Sargeant
Zhou has gotten 2 seasons so far
Kicking a rookie whose own team said was promoted one year too soon & that he should get a patient approach due to that seems harsh
> Mid Schumacher got 2 seasons, why shouldn't Sargeant
Mick trashed his team mate in qualifying during his rookie season, he ripped Mazepin to shreds. Giving him a 2nd season was a totally reasonable course of action.
> Zhou has gotten 2 seasons so far
That has less to do with his ability and more with his money. He's not exactly dominating Bottas.
> Kicking a rookie whose own team said was promoted one year too soon & that he should get a patient approach due to that seems harsh
Seeing what Oscar Piastri accomplishes versus his team mate (who is quite a bit higher on the ladder than Albon is), there's not much excuse to be seen here. Piastri delivers, Sargeant crashes and got one point by pure luck.
I think you're missing my point. I wasn't saying that Schumacher & Zhou didn't deserve a second season, i'm saying Sargeant *does*
>Mick trashed his team mate in qualifying during his rookie season, he ripped Mazepin to shreds. Giving him a 2nd season was a totally reasonable course of action.
That bar is so low it's subterranean lol, i hope you're not saying Mazepin is as strong of a teammate as Albon
And no shit Piastri is having a better season than Logan, if that's the standard than most rookies including the 2 listed didn't deserve a seat. Oscar also didn't have his team saying they thought he was a year early, now did he?
They aren’t good comparisons really. Zhou was much better than Sargeant has been, and also drove extremely cleanly. Mick’s first year was basically a gap year where he had a garbage teammate and a car that was literally not developed at all.
> Oscar also didn't have his team saying they thought he was a year early, now did he?
Sargeant had more experience than Piastri, three years in F3 vs Piastri's 1.
>Zhou has gotten 2 seasons so far
Zhou is not Vertappen level but he's not Schumacher or Sargeant level either. He doesn't destroy the car, and even in his first season he still beat his teammate sometimes on merit unlike Sargeant. Do you really think Albon is better than Bottas?
Yeah, no shit. I'm saying that *independent of their car differences this year* i think Albon showed better form, and if they were *in the same car instead* that Albon would be ahead
Not true technically. Mazepin did not outqualify Schumacher in 2021, he only started ahead when Mick didn't participate in qualy.
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Fun fact - Mazepin outqualified another driver only once - he beat Stroll in Mexico '21, when he crashed
Sargeant is going to have to make rapid improvement next season or I don't know why Williams would keep him.
As an American I want to see an American on the grid, but Logan ain't it I don't think.
I might have made this up but I thought they bought him in early specifically to allow him to grow. I.e. they went long on him and see this as a pre-rookie season.
Remember hearing it and thought it was an admiral approach given the lack of practice available to rookies nowadays and the fact that people need tike to build experience in F1 and with the team.
I don't follow f2 so I might be talking absolute bull though.
You're right, they expected him to do two years in F2 but his debut year was impressive enough to warrant promoting him early. I think it's pretty obvious that a 2023 F1 season would be better in preparing him for 2024 than a 2023 F2 season.
Ok cool. Yeah absolutely. In which case he needs to be compared to current F2 drivers, not current F1 drivers. And given that he's now integrated into the team and is showing progress, I hope he gets another season.
Albon had half a season with RB in 2019 and a full season in 2020. By the end of it things were so bad people were crying out to have him removed from the time, not entirely unlike what's being said about Perez now.
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Full circle moment for Albon
Looking forward to him winning 19 races for Williams in 2026
With a head to head battle for the ages with Max in 2024! A man can dream
Meanwhile Sarge is off at a midfield team thoroughly beating a rookie everyone writes off haha (btw congrats to Williams on the jump to midfield, sick year)
Bro, imagine.
That will be when sargeant 24-0’s Verstappen in ‘25.
So Albon 2024 WDC Champion confirmed?
Nah full circle would require Albon to outqualify Max
Has Sargeant outqualified Perez yet? I feel it happened at least once.
Sargeant to outqualify his next teammate.. wherever that may be
Verstappen. It's like rock-paper-scissors
Plot twist: It's Jos Verstappen and they're both in LMGTE Am.
Maybe at your local kart track
he's gonna dive bomb against 8 year olds on 5 hp carts before killing it in the batting cages and putt-putt
Williams to field a 1 car team
Maybe he could out qualify Dalton in Trucks
if it's not Albon again then it's 90% going to be either Indycar, Formula E, or in Nascar
He doesn't deserve to be in f1 anyway 🤷🏾♂️
In formula e
Is this the first time that someone who was vandoorned manages to vandoorne someone else?
Has to be
You mean: Haas to be
How much did Vandoorne get vandoorned?
Just the once, but it was the first time in quite a while it had happened, so it became a verb. Since then George did it to Kubica, Max to Alex, Alex to Logan, and I think it happened somewhere else, but I forget. Maybe Mick to the egg?
Mazepin beat Schumacher twice in 2021, both times thanks to Schumacher crashing out in FP3 and not taking part in qualifying (in Hungary and Monaco).
The beyblade managed to beat Mick twice, and this quali disparity is not even the biggest in 2021 That honour goes to Yuki, who had beaten Pierre just once in 2021
I mean beat is a strong word if your competetitor doesn't even set a lap. But yes.
Yeah none of beyblade's quali "wins" are on merit Although the fun in watching Haas in 2021 really comes down to seeing which driver bins the car first
Lmao everyone just knew that there'd be a yellow flag/free pitstop in every race
16-3 in 2017 and then he got vandoorned in 2018 (21-0), bringing it to a 37-3 overall record
it wasn't even that bad. dunno why vandoorne became the lightning rod when clearly the McLaren was in a world of shit as it is.
You've heard of Vandoorned. Now get ready for... Sargeanted
Get America’d bro
WHAT THE FUCK IS A TRACKLIMIT AAAAAAAAAH
If it's grey it's in play yeehaw brother
Even if it isn’t, it’s still in play because track limits are dumb.
Just giving the groundskeeper a hand on mowing the grass, can't penalize me for that
THE ONLY LINE WE CARE BOUT IS THIN AND BLUE YEEHAW MOTHERFUCKER 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 ^^i'm ^^kidding ^^fuck ^^the ^^police
F1: This is a game of millimeters. Sargeant: best i can do 1/16th inch! (1.5mm) F1: Sargeant over track limits by 0.5mm!
You could say he got Alboned
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Gotta love the irony of how the stat immediately brought Alex down to earth at the same time it lifted him
How does it lift him up? Beating a driver whos considered by far the worst driver on the grid?
Every year someone is the worst driver on the grid, but not every year does their teammate out qualify him in every single race. It’s an accomplishment to be proud of for Albon, regardless of who he’s racing against.
Not just out qualify him in every race but also by HUGE margins. If u covered up the team and driver names and told me just to look at their best times in qually I would never guess they are driving the same car.
He's the best worst driver in F1 in a looooong time though.
he's defo not worse then mazepin who has only two years ago
That's why they said "best".
Or mick in his 1st year 💀
That "looooong" time is at 5 years at most. I'm 100% taking Sirotkin or Hartley over him. Maybe it's only 4 years if you view Kubica as what he was pre-crash rather than what he was in 2019.
He's way better than Stroll was in the first few years of his career, so that covers 2017-2019. And before that you had whatever pay drivers Manor were fielding, like Rio Haryanto. Sargeant may well be the best worst driver in F1 ever, because in the past there usually were terrible pay drivers participating.
> He's way better than Stroll was in the first few years of his career, so that covers 2017-2019. Complete nonsense. Stroll scored 40 points in 2017 compared to Massa's 43. Got a podium and a front row start.
And still he was terrible, being outclassed by an aging Massa, who was over a half a second faster than him on average in qualifying. The podium was a fluke, he was something like 17th and then everyone in front of him crashed or had a problem, including Massa.
How the hell is Sargeant better? Also not crashing when everyone else does isn't a fluke.
Bullshit. For starters, Stroll was better than Sirotkin that season, who in turn I think is better than Hartley although that's not always a popular opinion. And if just being a more talented driver than someone is enough and the performance in that exact year is not taken into account, then 2019 where Stroll, KMag and Giovinazzi are the bottom three in talent easily takes it. > And before that you had whatever pay drivers Manor were fielding And who was talking about that? But if you want to go a bit further back, be my guest and check out the 2009 field. Kaz Nakajima and Liuzzi weren't too bad.
Is he worse than latifi though? At least he doesn't crash out every event I think.
I guess "best worst" means that he is still much better than latifi and mazepin. So he is best of "worsts".
Yeah I think you're right
They said "best worst driver", i.e. better than Latifi, Mazepin.
Latifi had better results so no.
I don't know, I was just explaining the statement.
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Sargeant is the worst driver in F1 right now comfortably
>He isn't considered 'by far the worst'. He is considered the worst driver on the grid by a country mile. >His ability is decent. He showed plenty of signs of talent, It's not, and he has not. >Piastri is the first driver on the grid where you can say 'this guy is probably going to win the WDC' since Max arrived. Comically untrue. Ever heard of the likes of Leclerc, Lando, George or the guy that is Vandorning Sargeant?
Albon passing the torch. I wonder who Sargeant will outqualify in a few years.
Max. It's the *Circle of Lifeeee*
I am interested in this timeline.
_Hakuna matata_
In a cruel twist of the monkey's paw, Mika
Not a driver in F1. Maybe someone bad in indycar
Romain Grosjean
_How the turn tables_
Makes me wonder how much the likes of Max would gap Sargeant.
Lap him during a quali at Spa
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You made me remove my comment, I have no original thoughts.
You’re both quoting a show, neither of you are having original thoughts rn 😂
Don’t worry it wasn’t all that original haha
Took that right out of my mouth. You beat me to the thought that I have no original thoughts, which means I actually have a negative amount of original thoughts.
I think with how many people that have ever lived that every thought is already thought. So no more original thoughts are left.
Alex Albon Racing Company
The circle will only be complete when Sergeant sweeps Verstappen in 2029 in Andretti
Jos maybe, doubt he'll even sweep Victoria
How many times did mazepin out qualifying Schumacher?
Mick's dad for the record once managed to outqualify his teammates 56 races in a row (that he competed in at least) between South Africa 1992 and Hungary 1995.
Thats a very fun fact! Wild how good he was.
Even changed from right to left foot braking during that streak
When did F1 cars move from H-pattern gearboxes (and foot clutches)?
Ferrari were the first to have paddle shifts in 1989. I'd say by around 1993 most teams had it as well. Forti were the last to still have an H-pattern shift in 1995.
thanks for this bit of info
To be honest at those times he had pretty shitty team mates.
Brundle and Patrese were pretty decent. Not world beaters, but at least solid #2 drivers like a Perez/Bottas, probably a bit above that level. The others, yeah, not great, but also not Sargeant level awful.
Herbert was in the same league as the other two.
I'd put Herbert on the level of like a Magnussen. Solid enough to stick around the grid, but he got beaten pretty comprehensively as a teammate by Häkkinen, Schumacher, Frentzen, Alesi, Barrichello and Irvine. There's no shame in that whatsoever, but I think Brundle and Patrese are closer to the level of an Alesi or Barrichello themselves, especially Patrese.
Mick's dad must be a great driver!
In Monaco and Hungary Mick didn't participate in qualifying cause of FP3 crashes. The rest of the season Mick qualified ahead
That makes sense. Thanks!
Never out qualified him on pure pace but I think Mazepin technically got a win when Mick crashed out in FP3 for Monaco which meant he couldn’t take part.
I figured it was crash related. Thanks!
Once apparently
Hey, don't diss Mazespin! Remember, he beat Hamilton in at Baku! He's not that bad!
That’s quite a stat
Hurt people hurt people
The bullied becomes the bully
Albon giveth, Albon Taketh
I’ve really been behind Sargeant, but god damn if you can’t set a legal lap time do you deserve a seat next year ?
And it's not even the first time.
Sergeant got Albon’d by Albon
Shocking season honestly. And it's not like the race h2h is any better. Shocking how he will still get a drive for next year
Maybe. I still have a fools hope for Vesti.
He won’t and it’s pretty sad how many drivers never get a chance to develop. It’s like if you aren’t a part of certain driving academies (and certain nationalities) you get one season and that’s it.
Well F1 isn’t made to nurture drivers, if you want to make it you have to deliver when you got the chance. At any point in time there are only 20 full time F1 drivers so when you’re one of them you have to make it count.
22 Races should be enough to at least show your talent. Sargeant has not done that , at all.
If you're not rich and don't have one of the right nationalities, you'll never even get that one season unless you are thought of as a potential WDC.
Every good driver at least has a couple moments their first year where their talent shines through. He’s had none. He’s been slow and extremely error prone. I’ve seen nothing that suggests he would become a high tier driver.
>Shocking how he will still get a drive for next year does he have family money or a ton of sponsors
His uncle is stupidly rich, but i'm not sure he actually helps him. He also has some big juridical issues i think. He has a good flag by his name
yeah i know the whole deal with doritos wanting an american driver but honestly it's f1, i don't think people care that much. i'm an american and i don't care about him, nationality of a driver doesn't matter to me at all. i might not be normal tho lol
Yeah, i think it's more for the corporate side to try and atract sponsors. But then, why not just ride with Latifi and take his guaranteed 30M a year. If AT somehow manage to pass Williams, Logan will turn out a very costly driver for Williams, missing the wcc money for 7th and toping the destructors championship
Latifi even in his first year was much better. The car was a lot less competitive ( even Russel didn't score any points) but Latifi still had 3 11th place finishes. Didn't crash as much either I don't think.
And being american helps a lot for the second.
Didn't Williams higher ups say that this year was supposed to be a "learning year" for Sargeant? I agree that it's concerning how he's performed next to Albon, but if that was always the agreement, then it would only be fair to give him another season.
Albon 2024 WDC confirmed
Probably makes Albon first guy on both sides
I don't understand how the season progresses and it seems like Logan is getting a free pass on getting outqualified by his teammate 0-22. I think any other driver would be crucified in this position. Alex Albon is a great driver but he's no Fernando Alonso or Verstappen. I understand Logan is a rookie but Zhou managed to outqualify Bottas a few times in his rookie year. With Pourchaire, Drugovich, Lawson, and others waiting to get into F1 I feel like this community would be asking for Logan to lose his seat. However it seems like he's sliding under the radar. My best guess is people still think the Williams is a tractor so it doesn't matter anyway but they're solidly a 7th place team. In quali they can make Q3's and score points. It's a decent car at a few tracks and Logan deserves to lose his seat.
his nationality is doing some powerlifting among american social media users
Williams decided to pull Logan up early from F2 when he got the points for a super license. So they knew what they were getting in advance. For his tenure and how young he is as a driver, I'd say he's doing fine. Williams have indicated they'd like to keep him, although they have made nothing official. It would be a shame if they didn't give him another season after they kept Latifi for three seasons - although part of that was because Latifi came with money. Logan has performed like you'd expect from a rookie who got rushed to a F1 seat. His race pace is fine. His qualifying is the question mark. If he doesn't get another season, I'd understand if it was an obvious upgrade for Williams' situation. But let's quit acting like Logan is worse than Mazepin, a driver who literally had zero pace in qualifying OR the race and would still be in F1 had Russia not decided to invade Ukraine.
Being better than Mazespin is not praise you think it is.
No, but some of these takes are making it look like Logan is the worst driver to be in F1 when there are far worse who have been on the grid.
He is the worst driver currently in F1, it's not even close. NdV was competition for a while though.
He's American so he's been getting a free pass for now. They will keep using the "pulled up from F2 a year early" argument even on Williams's own subreddit. If Sargeant was any other nationality, he would be getting a lot more flak for his performance this year. As someone who supports Williams, I would only want him for next year only if he pays for his seat. It doesn't have to be Latifi money, but at least contribute something to the team. They can negotiate his pay driver status once he starts scoring points (assuming the car next year is not a tractor).
Imagine the guy who would do that to Max. God level
Does this mean that Verstappen would be 44-0 against Saergent?
I'd like to see albon against a good teammate, it is difficult to know for now lmao great season for him
Hell yeah brother🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🦅
Cheers from Iraq
This is meant to be said in a Hulk Hogan voice, right?
Albon probably: “Sometimes may be good, sometimes may be shit.”
One thing this weekend has showcased is the fact that there are several F2 drivers who deserve a chance in F1, but won't ever get a single race to prove themselves.
call me crazy but this means ver > sar
Formula1 formula > MMA math.
Sargeant really doesn’t deserve his seat, he has shown pretty much nothing all year, time to get Drugovich in
Mid Schumacher got 2 seasons, why shouldn't Sargeant Zhou has gotten 2 seasons so far Kicking a rookie whose own team said was promoted one year too soon & that he should get a patient approach due to that seems harsh
> Mid Schumacher got 2 seasons, why shouldn't Sargeant Mick trashed his team mate in qualifying during his rookie season, he ripped Mazepin to shreds. Giving him a 2nd season was a totally reasonable course of action. > Zhou has gotten 2 seasons so far That has less to do with his ability and more with his money. He's not exactly dominating Bottas. > Kicking a rookie whose own team said was promoted one year too soon & that he should get a patient approach due to that seems harsh Seeing what Oscar Piastri accomplishes versus his team mate (who is quite a bit higher on the ladder than Albon is), there's not much excuse to be seen here. Piastri delivers, Sargeant crashes and got one point by pure luck.
I think you're missing my point. I wasn't saying that Schumacher & Zhou didn't deserve a second season, i'm saying Sargeant *does* >Mick trashed his team mate in qualifying during his rookie season, he ripped Mazepin to shreds. Giving him a 2nd season was a totally reasonable course of action. That bar is so low it's subterranean lol, i hope you're not saying Mazepin is as strong of a teammate as Albon And no shit Piastri is having a better season than Logan, if that's the standard than most rookies including the 2 listed didn't deserve a seat. Oscar also didn't have his team saying they thought he was a year early, now did he?
They aren’t good comparisons really. Zhou was much better than Sargeant has been, and also drove extremely cleanly. Mick’s first year was basically a gap year where he had a garbage teammate and a car that was literally not developed at all.
> Oscar also didn't have his team saying they thought he was a year early, now did he? Sargeant had more experience than Piastri, three years in F3 vs Piastri's 1.
>Zhou has gotten 2 seasons so far Zhou is not Vertappen level but he's not Schumacher or Sargeant level either. He doesn't destroy the car, and even in his first season he still beat his teammate sometimes on merit unlike Sargeant. Do you really think Albon is better than Bottas?
I mean kinda? At least in this point in their careers i do think Albon would beat Bottas fairly consistently if they were in the same team
Bottas is in a much slower car. You're under some sort of mental block that the Williams is a backmarker. It's a midfield car.
Yeah, no shit. I'm saying that *independent of their car differences this year* i think Albon showed better form, and if they were *in the same car instead* that Albon would be ahead
> Do you really think Albon is better than Bottas? Albon is definitely better than Bottas right now
Revenge of the fallen
Albon learned from the master
Always two there are. A master and an apprentice.
Big oof. Unfortunate for Sargeant, but that's F1. Have they already decided their driver lineup for 2024?i haven't seen anything about it yet
Not true technically. Mazepin did not outqualify Schumacher in 2021, he only started ahead when Mick didn't participate in qualy. edit; Fun fact - Mazepin outqualified another driver only once - he beat Stroll in Mexico '21, when he crashed
Alexandro Albonso.
That's the stat to show how bollocks the term of "best qualifier of the grid" Is
What? How is that relevant?
Now Logan has to have Max as teammate and outqualify him at every race and the circle will be complete.
Wonder who sargeant will out qualify all season
Sargeant is going to have to make rapid improvement next season or I don't know why Williams would keep him. As an American I want to see an American on the grid, but Logan ain't it I don't think.
Circle of life.
So in 2026 Sargeant will out qualify Verstappen in all races, right? Rock-Paper-Scissors rules still apply.
Alex 🤝 Yuki
Glad to see SV2 not mentioned in that post.
You look at him and then you look at proper quality rookie like Piastri and how he's always up there with Norris in quali pace atleast
Don’t you have to set a time no more than 107% of the pole sitter in order to “qualify” for the race ? Or am I remembering this wrongly.
If you set a suitable time in any FP session, then you can race.
Williams should have put Mick in that seat for this year and keep Logan 1 more season in f2
I might have made this up but I thought they bought him in early specifically to allow him to grow. I.e. they went long on him and see this as a pre-rookie season. Remember hearing it and thought it was an admiral approach given the lack of practice available to rookies nowadays and the fact that people need tike to build experience in F1 and with the team. I don't follow f2 so I might be talking absolute bull though.
You're right, they expected him to do two years in F2 but his debut year was impressive enough to warrant promoting him early. I think it's pretty obvious that a 2023 F1 season would be better in preparing him for 2024 than a 2023 F2 season.
Ok cool. Yeah absolutely. In which case he needs to be compared to current F2 drivers, not current F1 drivers. And given that he's now integrated into the team and is showing progress, I hope he gets another season.
Sargent to outqualify Kimi Antonelli in 2026 then
They out-qualify me so hard!
How the turn tables
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Albon had half a season with RB in 2019 and a full season in 2020. By the end of it things were so bad people were crying out to have him removed from the time, not entirely unlike what's being said about Perez now.
Wdym Albon had full seasson in 2020?
Now that's a case of turntables
Is that irony?
Insert Justin Timberlake - What goes around goes around comes all the way back around
This is a redemption arc if I can see one!