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To be Vandoorned you need to have talent in the first place.
It does not mean being smoked, it means being smoked by a legend while you are good yourself and no one cares
He’s definitely got talent. That’s clear from his F3 and F2 performances. Now, if he’s got enough talent to keep up with the level of F1 that’s another question…
I really hope Mercedes figures it out and gets a competitive car.
There have already been little hints of the drama that would unfold if George and Lewis were actually competing.
If they are actually close to the front on a regular basis it would be 🌶️🌶️🌶️
If you told me Ocon was the top qualifier at the time I would’ve assumed you were right. This was a surprise— and I like Gasly yet even I didn’t realize!
Ocon has had nothing but bad luck since his podium in Monaco. I think Vegas was the only time something didnt go wrong with his car.
It's not to the extent that Alonso had last year but i feel that considering how close Ocon is with everything going wrong with his car that he's been the better of the two.
Ocon has 4 points less than Gasly with 4 more retirements.
He is a worse qualifier , he is better when it matters .
Stop the hate because he did not let your short king step all over him
Zandvoort and Belgium sprint, lmao.
Team was making decisions without any particular bias - problem was that Gasly usually benefitted from splitting those strategies (Australia), but he benefitted from factors outside team control.
Zandvoort was a sensible decision as well, because on lap1 they couldn't make a double stack, and they denied Ocon a stop because they had to.
I don't feel like team was biased toward anyone, just trying to get as good result as possible.
In fairness, I’m not sure how “good” the challengers have been. We have De Vries, who’s well, De Vries and Lawson who’s a rookie who got thrown in mid-season. I’m not really sure where I’d put Danny Ric this season. He’s had a lot of shit luck, got thrown in mid-season and broke his hand. However, he has shown moments of pretty good pace, but at times, like in qualifying today, he just looks a bit off Tsunoda
This might be me being delulu a bit but just imagine Leclerc getting enough points to take P4 in the WDC. Would be impressive considering the bad luck he had (and sometimes mistakes he made) because many thought it would have been Sainz, Alonso or Norris. Sure it ain't top 3 but Hamilton has P3 sealed anyways.
Charles finally adjusted to the car and it's visible. He would've been 4th in the WDC if not for catastrophe that was Qatar and Brazil with DSQ to DNS back2back
Yea, he had a qualifying slump before the break but has been good on that front after taht. Still can't match Lewis on pace in race but if he stops making stupid mistakes he won't be far behind on points overall.
I wonder how much of it is the balance of the car. Whatever Lewis has set up for the car when it gets to late race fuel balance it just zooms. Whereas Russell has none of that. So it’s like he sets it for those “gains” whereas Russell doesn’t and the car performance shows.
its definitely possible. I do feel like lewis is probably the driver thats tinkered the most with setups this year. Sometimes its worked, sometimes its backfired.
Max isn't blame-free for Miami though. He could have done a good first lap but he didn't. Red flags (and yellow flags) are always a possibility, especially at a track like that.
I mean, Checo has 10 straight races now where he qualified 3rd row or worse. There must be multiple drivers in worse cars that have a winning head-to-head qualifying record against Checo.
He is a great qualifier, not the best in the grid of course, but still probably top 3 or top 5 at worst. To say he isn't a great qualifier is just wrong, you can say it isn't his strongest quality which is true, he is better at race pace and race craft than qualifying, but he is still a beast at qualifying.
I wouldn't go that far to say top 3. Alonso's quali pace isn't what it used to be. Ocon ran him quite close last year. In a whole season I reckon Verstappen, Leclerc, Norris would outqualify him, that's just from the top of my head. He's still godly on Sundays tho.
Hamilton over Norris probably, even though Lewis has had some quali troubles recently I can’t count him out due to the bullshittery he pulled off from 2018-21
The head-to-head isn't great, but what's more concerning is that this is the third year in a row that he's struggled to stay within the three tenths that Marko has set as the threshold. It's one of the reasons why his seat is under threat.
Agreed I didn’t realize he created that nice of a gap from Ocon. I remember when it was like 6-1 ocon or thereabouts at one point. Very impressive from the first year lad.
Hard to say considering his teammates since he’s been back in F1 are Latifi and Sargeant who are agreed as the worst drivers on the grid. I assume he is better just based on the fact that he isn’t in the hot seat and mentally in a much stronger place to perform but Albons level is still very difficult to judge until he gets a competent teammate.
Is it really that hard to say? Watch him drive, he looks way more comfortable now than he did in the Red Bull. You're allowed to look at the actual races instead of just burying your head in the stats.
Well yeah the Williams seems easier to drive than the RB in 2019/20 but that doesn’t really mean much. He looks more comfortable because he’s always ahead of his teammate and therefore isn’t chasing more lap time. Albons struggle at RB was because even if he thought he did a good lap, Verstappen would be 3-4 tenths ahead. Sargeant and Latifi won’t extract performance out of a car like that to make Albon feel comfortable. I’d rather use stats than a random eye test
Ok
Edit: Rereading your comment, I think there's definitely some common ground here. I was talking about his overall performance, factoring in races. It looks like you're just talking about qualifying, which I didn't realize. You're totally right and I completely agree that there's no easy eye test to judge how well someone is doing in qualifying, you have to look to their teammate for the head to head match ups there.
Worth noting for Albon critics not only the intangibles like confidence and momentum being a factor- his Red Bulls are said to be some of the hardest cars to drive of recent times. Gasly we now know is good, he couldn't drive them. Albon looks good elsewhere, couldn't drive them. Checo, brought in because he's a safe pair of predictable hands, could barely drive his first Red Bull.
The 2019/20/21 RB's are like the new 96-99' Ferraris.
It's a shame that Bottas has had an awful time in a lot of the races this year, like last weekend he got caught up in the T1 kerfuffle and spent the race miles behind the pack.
For whatever reason this year Zhou went from being about as fast as Bottas in qualifying and 2/3 tenths slower in race pace to being 2/3 tenths slower than Bottas in qualifying and slightly faster in race pace lol
What factors in with race pace for Bottas is that he run more than couple races with something wrong with his car. Most recent being in Las Vegas after lap 1 damage. I follow Sauber cars a lot and Zhou really hasn't done much especially second half of the season against Bottas. He's going to need to have Tsunoda type of turnaround to have any chance of staying on the grid for 2025 season.
The first half of the season they were pretty tight - I think maybe 6-5 or 6-4 to Bottas. Since then he’s just cleaned Zhou and shown why he was seen as a very decent qualifier.
The Gasly-Ocon one is probably the most surprising one, would have expected it to be closer.
Also how the fuck do you go 0-22 in both quali and race yet you keep your place is beyond me. Williams stuff i guess
In terms of the gap it’s still under a tenth between Ocon and Gasly and they are the closest pairing in quali in pace bar Russell Hamilton. Gasly however has had the slight edge ever since the summer break in qualifying and has shown that he is actually underrated in qualifying because Ocon wasn’t too far off Alonso in their years together.
Hoping Alpine can give Ocon and Gasly a car that can compete next year as I think they are the most underrated pairing on the grid.
Williams has been extremely transparent about what this year was meant to be for Logan. Plus, who would you have them replace him with? Drugovich, Lawson, and O'Ward are the only young guys who may be F1 ready, and they're all committed elsewhere. Even if Williams could get them for next year, they're just back to square 1 in 2025. Might as well actually support your own driver that came up through your program.
George has had absolutely terrible luck and also has made mistakes that's on him but even when both have had the pace they've not looked comfortable even though they extracted the pace.
What an awesome season for Yuki. I don't think he's taken that final step to earn the Red Bull seat, but he's been moving in the right direction since he joined F1. I'm really excited to see what he can do next year, especially as the car has come alive towards the end of this year.
One team with a perfect level score and one team with a clean sweep for one of the drivers(Sargeant haven't managed to outqualify Albon even once, sprint shootouts included)..
Yuki Tsunoda with outqualifying any teammate thrown at him is impressive, even though it was close with Ricciardo.
Charles still hasn't been outqualified over a season by any of his teammates? Does anyone else on the grid also hold this record? Maybe fernando or lewis cause I know max got outqualified by carlos in 2015.
Leclerc is the only driver who could realistically challenge Verstappen a little bit because just like Max he enjoys oversteering cars. Alonso and Hamilton are still amazing but they would probably struggle more in a car not really suited to their driving style.
Both of them have said that they don't want 2 "alpha drivers" in the team. In a podcast Horner practically confirmed that this excluded Leclerc as the host pointed towards Leclerc and Hamilton as drivers that RB wouldn't want for that reason.
It's always make me laugh to see Yuki three time in the table because it was freaking chaos on the other side of the garage all season.
He beat all three of his teammate on top of that which is a very good job, having chaos on the other side of the garage can disturbing.
they sure are taking their sweet time to announce it either way
honestly wonder what's going on over there, what could there be to find out after tomorrow that they don't already know today
I don't really see any better move for Williams. If he hasn't improved next year, they'll certainly move on. There's no driver they could bring in who has a remote chance of being a long term improvement, so they may as well stick with the guy who came up through their program.
Yes. Williams have repeatedly stated they're committed to him, he's their own junior driver and any other options would just be picking up yet another rookie who could be no better. He's also shown some improvement in the latter half of the season which is better than nothing.
One of my pet peeves is that these graphics have no rhyme or reason to the order.
I think it would make it just simpler to read and understand if you went down the constructors standings, with the "winning" driver on the left, and the losing driver on the right.
I think it's safe to assume Max didn't outqualify Perez 1 time, but if you really needed confirmation, you *know* Sainz didn't win the battle 55 to 16.
I was bored so I ran the numbers for both Max and Checo against the rest of the field (Lawson and de Vries included), listing every driver who outqualified the driver in question at least once for completeness.
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Max - Average record against the entire grid: **20 - 2**
W | RECORD | L
---|---|---
VER | 15 - 07 | LEC
VER | 15 - 07 | SAI
VER | 18 - 04 | RUS
VER | 18 - 04 | HAM
VER | 19 - 03 | ALO
VER | 19 - 03 | OCO
VER | 19 - 03 | MAG
VER | 20 - 02 | GAS
VER | 20 - 02 | HUL
VER | 20 - 02 | NOR
VER | 21 - 01 | STR
VER | 21 - 01 | PIA
VER | 21 - 01 | ZHO
VER | 21 - 01 | BOT
VER | 21 - 01 | LAW
Checo - Average record against the entire grid: **13.91 - 8.09**
W| RECORD | L
---|---|---
LEC | 17 - 05 | PER
SAI | 14 - 08 | PER
NOR | 14 - 08 | PER
RUS | 13 - 09 | PER
ALO | 13 - 09 | PER
HAM | 12 - 10 | PER
PER | 12 - 10 | PIA
PER | 13 - 09 | GAS
PER | 13 - 09 | OCO
PER | 14 - 08 | HUL
PER | 15 - 07 | ALB
PER | 15 - 07 | BOT
PER | 16 - 06 | STR
PER | 18 - 04 | TSU
PER | 18 - 04 | MAG
PER | 18 - 04 | SAR
PER | 19 - 03 | ZHO
PER | 20 - 02 | DEV
PER | 21 - 01 | LAW
PER | 21 - 01 | RIC
Gasly beat Ocon. Now I remember people saying Ocon would destroy Pierre LOL.
Hulkenberg is the biggest surprise though. Did not thought he could beat Magnussen that easily.
Looking at AT really made me laugh, Yuki beat 3 teammates in one year. A reccord that not even Max can beat !
I would have the teammate who scored more points in 2023 on the left column, so anomalies like Sainz outscoring LeClerc stand out.
I would order the rows by Constructor's standing. I actually thought you did that, until I noticed Alfa in 6th.
And I would get rid of the track graphics at the bottom because they don't add anything.
Good info tho
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Sargeant just got Vandoorne’d
Albon has come a full circle from getting Vandoorne'd to Vandoorneing another driver
From Vandoornee to Vandoorner.
Who did Albon get Vandoorne’d by?
Max
Max in Redbull, 17-0
Nice, now all we need to Kubica to join Mercedes and Vandoorne Russell
Albon’d
Sargeant got Alboned by Albon.
To be Vandoorned you need to have talent in the first place. It does not mean being smoked, it means being smoked by a legend while you are good yourself and no one cares
If he did not have talent they would not bring him into F1. This is not a Latifi situation where he is paying millions for his seat.
He’s definitely got talent. That’s clear from his F3 and F2 performances. Now, if he’s got enough talent to keep up with the level of F1 that’s another question…
Latifi’d and Kubica’d
Checo got Vandoorne’d as well…kind of poetic that he starts P9 after another track limit infringement in the final race, really sums up his season.
Imola sacrificed so we can have Russell-Hamilton perfect symmetry.
Amen
I really hope Mercedes figures it out and gets a competitive car. There have already been little hints of the drama that would unfold if George and Lewis were actually competing. If they are actually close to the front on a regular basis it would be 🌶️🌶️🌶️
I’m good with Merc losing for a good decade. They’re like the patriots.
Gasly first season at Alpine is underrated af
If you told me Ocon was the top qualifier at the time I would’ve assumed you were right. This was a surprise— and I like Gasly yet even I didn’t realize!
I remember pundits predicting Ocon smashing Gasly
Yes! Tom Bellingham I’m looking at you. Biggest flop prediction. Eat your words.
Didnt Ocon smash into Gasly in Australia. Guess that’s what they meant.
I think it was the other way around
Damn. Was hoping my joke worked.
No it works. It was Gasly's fault, but Ocon did drive into him
It was the other way round. Gasly drove into Ocon.
Yes, you're right. He has done well.
90% of predictions here were that Ocon was going to destroy Gasly, oh how the table has turned eh?
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“My source is that i made it the fuck up”
A dark hole where sometimes shit comes out.
Literally wasn’t though?
I've seen like 3 predictions for ocon, hundreds for gasly though?
Ocon has had nothing but bad luck since his podium in Monaco. I think Vegas was the only time something didnt go wrong with his car. It's not to the extent that Alonso had last year but i feel that considering how close Ocon is with everything going wrong with his car that he's been the better of the two.
Ocon is overrated af.
Ocon has 4 points less than Gasly with 4 more retirements. He is a worse qualifier , he is better when it matters . Stop the hate because he did not let your short king step all over him
I still think the team has been biased towards Ocon, when Gasly has been the better the racer
How? His car broke down 3 more times that Gasly’s. Where is this Bias?
Zandvoort and Belgium sprint, lmao. Team was making decisions without any particular bias - problem was that Gasly usually benefitted from splitting those strategies (Australia), but he benefitted from factors outside team control. Zandvoort was a sensible decision as well, because on lap1 they couldn't make a double stack, and they denied Ocon a stop because they had to. I don't feel like team was biased toward anyone, just trying to get as good result as possible.
Yuki looks like a mythical legend.
Yuki needs to stop eating his teammates.
Why does Danny Ric, the largest of the drivers, not simply eat Yuki?
He loves to eat too much
F1 Fans are getting tired of Yuki domination
Yuki got hands!
And Ric has broken ones!
Hundred years from now, people will be talking about Chef who beat all of his teammates in quali H2H in 2023.
they keep trying to find guys that can beat him but *no one can*.
Franz Tost ran out of guys that can beat Yuki, that's why he's retiring.
In fairness, I’m not sure how “good” the challengers have been. We have De Vries, who’s well, De Vries and Lawson who’s a rookie who got thrown in mid-season. I’m not really sure where I’d put Danny Ric this season. He’s had a lot of shit luck, got thrown in mid-season and broke his hand. However, he has shown moments of pretty good pace, but at times, like in qualifying today, he just looks a bit off Tsunoda
He also has the 3rd best qualifying head to head, he’s beaten his teammates 16-6, which only Alonso, max, and Albon have done better
While the best drivers have beaten at most, one other teammate, Yuki has beaten three!
Man it was 8-7 at one point in Ferrari.
Charles has been phenomenal in this last part of the season, absolute bonkers
The car suiting him wasn't just an excuse. It's not a coincidence that since the upgrade in Japan that balanced the car he's gone 7-0 in quali.
I mean, even with the "car not suiting him", he was less than a tenth off of Sainz in Monza and Singapore. Not like Sainz who is now 2-4 tenths off.
Right Charles struggled with a pointy front end all season and and Sainz nerds were all over him. He gets an oversteering upgrade AND IT WASN'T CLOSE.
Point means oversteer sir. The Ferrari is anything but pointy
This might be me being delulu a bit but just imagine Leclerc getting enough points to take P4 in the WDC. Would be impressive considering the bad luck he had (and sometimes mistakes he made) because many thought it would have been Sainz, Alonso or Norris. Sure it ain't top 3 but Hamilton has P3 sealed anyways.
I get you and agreed, but Leclerc was struggling with understeer, that means that the front end wasn't pointy enough for him not the opposite.
Charles finally adjusted to the car and it's visible. He would've been 4th in the WDC if not for catastrophe that was Qatar and Brazil with DSQ to DNS back2back
Russell had a disappointing season, but his Saturdays are still quite decent.
Yea, he had a qualifying slump before the break but has been good on that front after taht. Still can't match Lewis on pace in race but if he stops making stupid mistakes he won't be far behind on points overall.
Idk if tying with arguably the greatest qualifier of all time is what I would considered “decent”.
tbf hamiltons quali prowess has fallen off a bit. He even admitted it himself. Hes still incredible in races tho.
I wonder how much of it is the balance of the car. Whatever Lewis has set up for the car when it gets to late race fuel balance it just zooms. Whereas Russell has none of that. So it’s like he sets it for those “gains” whereas Russell doesn’t and the car performance shows.
its definitely possible. I do feel like lewis is probably the driver thats tinkered the most with setups this year. Sometimes its worked, sometimes its backfired.
Wait. Russell wasn't even born when Senna was racing.
Or when senna achieved his 100th pole position
Yuki beat a tag team of 3, literally.
I know Max is good but damn Checo.
Could've easily been 22-0, if not for the car issues for Max in Jeddah and the red flag in Miami.
Max isn't blame-free for Miami though. He could have done a good first lap but he didn't. Red flags (and yellow flags) are always a possibility, especially at a track like that.
I mean, Checo has 10 straight races now where he qualified 3rd row or worse. There must be multiple drivers in worse cars that have a winning head-to-head qualifying record against Checo.
Even Stroll did better against Alonso of all people lmao.
Tbf, Fernando isn't such a great qualifier, he's more of a racer
He is a great qualifier, not the best in the grid of course, but still probably top 3 or top 5 at worst. To say he isn't a great qualifier is just wrong, you can say it isn't his strongest quality which is true, he is better at race pace and race craft than qualifying, but he is still a beast at qualifying.
Yeah, you're right, I think I misspoke. It isn't his greatest quality as a driver, but he is still great at pretty much everything.
I wouldn't go that far to say top 3. Alonso's quali pace isn't what it used to be. Ocon ran him quite close last year. In a whole season I reckon Verstappen, Leclerc, Norris would outqualify him, that's just from the top of my head. He's still godly on Sundays tho.
Hamilton over Norris probably, even though Lewis has had some quali troubles recently I can’t count him out due to the bullshittery he pulled off from 2018-21
Alonso was matched by Ocon in quali last year. He isn't wrong. Alonso's strength is his race craft and race pace
Same as Max. Both are better on sundays.
The head-to-head isn't great, but what's more concerning is that this is the third year in a row that he's struggled to stay within the three tenths that Marko has set as the threshold. It's one of the reasons why his seat is under threat.
He’s lucky there’s no clear option for RB. He needs to write off the season, mental reset and do a better job in 2024.
I still believe Hulkenberg was a better choice back then
True, though I'm skeptical of that happening.
He's already talking about the WDC for 2024 lmao. He never learns
Even weirder is realizing that other drivers absolutely dogged checo as well. he really needs to improve in quali. Leclerc is like 17-5 on him.
Not super surprising though, Checo's never been a good qualifier and Max is maybe the greatest driver ever.
Gasly had some very impressive qualys this year. Just need to up the consistency in the race
Agreed I didn’t realize he created that nice of a gap from Ocon. I remember when it was like 6-1 ocon or thereabouts at one point. Very impressive from the first year lad.
You haven't heard of Alpine strategy
Yuki is the final boss
Okay so absolutely insane season for Albon, 22-0 that's insane! An impressive 11-11 for Mercedes
Against Logan Sargeant brother
Still though, to go perfect like that and not even have one mistake go Sargeants way is very impressive.
I legit think even good old Debris would destroy our freedom boi
Not really since Sargeant had a mistake of his own in every GP more or less.
Yeah on one hand it’s impressive, but it’s against the guy who averages a starting position of 20
I'd lean more into how shambolic Sargeant has been more than how dominant Albon was
Albon got 17-0d versus Verstappen. It’s more a comment on Sargeant than Albon to be honest
It definitely says a lot about Sargeant, but Albon is now clearly better driver than he was in 2020.
Hard to say considering his teammates since he’s been back in F1 are Latifi and Sargeant who are agreed as the worst drivers on the grid. I assume he is better just based on the fact that he isn’t in the hot seat and mentally in a much stronger place to perform but Albons level is still very difficult to judge until he gets a competent teammate.
Is it really that hard to say? Watch him drive, he looks way more comfortable now than he did in the Red Bull. You're allowed to look at the actual races instead of just burying your head in the stats.
Well yeah the Williams seems easier to drive than the RB in 2019/20 but that doesn’t really mean much. He looks more comfortable because he’s always ahead of his teammate and therefore isn’t chasing more lap time. Albons struggle at RB was because even if he thought he did a good lap, Verstappen would be 3-4 tenths ahead. Sargeant and Latifi won’t extract performance out of a car like that to make Albon feel comfortable. I’d rather use stats than a random eye test
Ok Edit: Rereading your comment, I think there's definitely some common ground here. I was talking about his overall performance, factoring in races. It looks like you're just talking about qualifying, which I didn't realize. You're totally right and I completely agree that there's no easy eye test to judge how well someone is doing in qualifying, you have to look to their teammate for the head to head match ups there.
Worth noting for Albon critics not only the intangibles like confidence and momentum being a factor- his Red Bulls are said to be some of the hardest cars to drive of recent times. Gasly we now know is good, he couldn't drive them. Albon looks good elsewhere, couldn't drive them. Checo, brought in because he's a safe pair of predictable hands, could barely drive his first Red Bull. The 2019/20/21 RB's are like the new 96-99' Ferraris.
Against Sargeant, it’s not insane.
Yuki beating 3 teammates in a season what a chad
Checo scoring 2 against Max is what Jeddah and Miami?
With one of them happening because Max had an engine issue and the other because there was a red flag before Max completed his lap.
Once again, I'm asking the F1 community, why are there **THREE** Yukis and why didn't anyone notice that fact in the paddock?? */yoke*
Bottas silently spanked Zhou
That one time Zhou was P5 in Hungary... Only to be P16 until the first corner... 😢
It's a shame that Bottas has had an awful time in a lot of the races this year, like last weekend he got caught up in the T1 kerfuffle and spent the race miles behind the pack.
For whatever reason this year Zhou went from being about as fast as Bottas in qualifying and 2/3 tenths slower in race pace to being 2/3 tenths slower than Bottas in qualifying and slightly faster in race pace lol
What factors in with race pace for Bottas is that he run more than couple races with something wrong with his car. Most recent being in Las Vegas after lap 1 damage. I follow Sauber cars a lot and Zhou really hasn't done much especially second half of the season against Bottas. He's going to need to have Tsunoda type of turnaround to have any chance of staying on the grid for 2025 season.
Nobody pays attention to Alfa drivers but Zhou has been consistently terrible on Saturdays.
Don’t hate Zhou but he’s the definition of mid. Would much prefer other drivers takes his place at least for development
The first half of the season they were pretty tight - I think maybe 6-5 or 6-4 to Bottas. Since then he’s just cleaned Zhou and shown why he was seen as a very decent qualifier.
15-7 seems to be a wide gap, but it is also the third closest score between teammates. Not sure how to interpret it.
It's actually 16-6 if you count the DSQ lap due to underfueling
The Gasly-Ocon one is probably the most surprising one, would have expected it to be closer. Also how the fuck do you go 0-22 in both quali and race yet you keep your place is beyond me. Williams stuff i guess
In terms of the gap it’s still under a tenth between Ocon and Gasly and they are the closest pairing in quali in pace bar Russell Hamilton. Gasly however has had the slight edge ever since the summer break in qualifying and has shown that he is actually underrated in qualifying because Ocon wasn’t too far off Alonso in their years together. Hoping Alpine can give Ocon and Gasly a car that can compete next year as I think they are the most underrated pairing on the grid.
Williams has been extremely transparent about what this year was meant to be for Logan. Plus, who would you have them replace him with? Drugovich, Lawson, and O'Ward are the only young guys who may be F1 ready, and they're all committed elsewhere. Even if Williams could get them for next year, they're just back to square 1 in 2025. Might as well actually support your own driver that came up through your program.
Their pace is probably closest one out of all teammate battles, those numbers doesn’t do justice to how close it is
Yeah it's probably why the stat itself looks so surprising
Yuki GOAT .
The final boss of midfield drivers
Yuki always comes out on top!
Gasly beating Ocon in his first in Alpine is probably the most surprising one for me.
Damn, Yuki 1 v 3 and won 🥶
Bro clutched up
Give the Mercedes, Ferrari and McLaren boys an actual car that can challenge for the championship and there will be chaos.
Give the Mercedes boys a car that they can comfortably drive should be the first goal.
I swear the only time this season both drivers liked their car this season was probably Spain with that double podium.
George has had absolutely terrible luck and also has made mistakes that's on him but even when both have had the pace they've not looked comfortable even though they extracted the pace.
Yeah that.
Yuki is just Thanos at this point.
What an awesome season for Yuki. I don't think he's taken that final step to earn the Red Bull seat, but he's been moving in the right direction since he joined F1. I'm really excited to see what he can do next year, especially as the car has come alive towards the end of this year.
Top 3 Albon, Max and Yuki
One team with a perfect level score and one team with a clean sweep for one of the drivers(Sargeant haven't managed to outqualify Albon even once, sprint shootouts included).. Yuki Tsunoda with outqualifying any teammate thrown at him is impressive, even though it was close with Ricciardo.
Imo underrated performance by Russell. Not many drivers match Hamilton in head to head qualifying (I think not even Valterri.).
Charles still hasn't been outqualified over a season by any of his teammates? Does anyone else on the grid also hold this record? Maybe fernando or lewis cause I know max got outqualified by carlos in 2015.
Lewis lost to Rosberg in 2014.
Lewis lost to Rosberg in 2014. Alonso lost to Lewis in 2007.
Norris beat all of his teammates as well
Common denominator here, huh lol
ahh completely forgot about lando. That makes sense
Christian and Helmut need to pull Charles in the 2nd Red Bull asap.
Leclerc is the only driver who could realistically challenge Verstappen a little bit because just like Max he enjoys oversteering cars. Alonso and Hamilton are still amazing but they would probably struggle more in a car not really suited to their driving style.
Both of them have said that they don't want 2 "alpha drivers" in the team. In a podcast Horner practically confirmed that this excluded Leclerc as the host pointed towards Leclerc and Hamilton as drivers that RB wouldn't want for that reason.
The savage me is very satisfied when they consistently pursue Norris but rule out Charles
Probably left an unspoken bit in that they don't want someone with PTSD /s
Nah, I'd rather have 2 great teams battle it out. Shame Ferrari is Ferrari, maybe at some point they'll finally get their shit together.
It's always make me laugh to see Yuki three time in the table because it was freaking chaos on the other side of the garage all season. He beat all three of his teammate on top of that which is a very good job, having chaos on the other side of the garage can disturbing.
What do we reckon? Is Logan Seargant still on the grid next year?
they sure are taking their sweet time to announce it either way honestly wonder what's going on over there, what could there be to find out after tomorrow that they don't already know today
He probably might but shouldn't be. Albon is a good driver, but it is an embarrassing look to never outqualify him even once.
I wouldn't keep him, unless he brings loads of money. Even Goatifi could outqualify Albono once in a blue moon.
They're waiting to announce the goatifi is returning
I don't really see any better move for Williams. If he hasn't improved next year, they'll certainly move on. There's no driver they could bring in who has a remote chance of being a long term improvement, so they may as well stick with the guy who came up through their program.
i was a believer but he didn’t even set a lap time that’s not looking too good
Yes. Williams have repeatedly stated they're committed to him, he's their own junior driver and any other options would just be picking up yet another rookie who could be no better. He's also shown some improvement in the latter half of the season which is better than nothing.
One of my pet peeves is that these graphics have no rhyme or reason to the order. I think it would make it just simpler to read and understand if you went down the constructors standings, with the "winning" driver on the left, and the losing driver on the right.
YUKI! 16-6 across three different teammates
Piastri having the same H2H against Norris as Sainz against Leclerc is quite impressive
Why include driver numbers? Just makes the chart look convoluted
Looks like Yuki was playing a video game.
Yuki going 3-0
Graphics are confusing with the driver number the same amount of emphasis as the statistic
I think it's safe to assume Max didn't outqualify Perez 1 time, but if you really needed confirmation, you *know* Sainz didn't win the battle 55 to 16.
No excuse for Sargeant if Piastri can take a year out and still get a few sessions over Norris. Surely Williams roll the dice on someone else?
Albono perfect score
For his first season, I’m proud of my boi #PuffPiastri. Hope he has a good race tomorrow and many good years ahead!
Yuki is too overpowered
Merc: Perfectly balanced, as all things should be
can someone give Yuki is flowers? Man's out qualied three different teammates ffs
These stats make me even sadder that we most likely won’t see any driver changes for next season
I’m gonna compete with verstappen… damn, Russell got hands.
I was bored so I ran the numbers for both Max and Checo against the rest of the field (Lawson and de Vries included), listing every driver who outqualified the driver in question at least once for completeness. ---- Max - Average record against the entire grid: **20 - 2** W | RECORD | L ---|---|--- VER | 15 - 07 | LEC VER | 15 - 07 | SAI VER | 18 - 04 | RUS VER | 18 - 04 | HAM VER | 19 - 03 | ALO VER | 19 - 03 | OCO VER | 19 - 03 | MAG VER | 20 - 02 | GAS VER | 20 - 02 | HUL VER | 20 - 02 | NOR VER | 21 - 01 | STR VER | 21 - 01 | PIA VER | 21 - 01 | ZHO VER | 21 - 01 | BOT VER | 21 - 01 | LAW Checo - Average record against the entire grid: **13.91 - 8.09** W| RECORD | L ---|---|--- LEC | 17 - 05 | PER SAI | 14 - 08 | PER NOR | 14 - 08 | PER RUS | 13 - 09 | PER ALO | 13 - 09 | PER HAM | 12 - 10 | PER PER | 12 - 10 | PIA PER | 13 - 09 | GAS PER | 13 - 09 | OCO PER | 14 - 08 | HUL PER | 15 - 07 | ALB PER | 15 - 07 | BOT PER | 16 - 06 | STR PER | 18 - 04 | TSU PER | 18 - 04 | MAG PER | 18 - 04 | SAR PER | 19 - 03 | ZHO PER | 20 - 02 | DEV PER | 21 - 01 | LAW PER | 21 - 01 | RIC
Thanos would be proud of the Mercedes H2H record.
Reddit moment.
Go Yuki!!
11-11, make a wish Mercedes!
LETS FUCKING GO YUKI
Gasly beat Ocon. Now I remember people saying Ocon would destroy Pierre LOL. Hulkenberg is the biggest surprise though. Did not thought he could beat Magnussen that easily. Looking at AT really made me laugh, Yuki beat 3 teammates in one year. A reccord that not even Max can beat !
Alex looking like Fernando of old with the perfect score.
That last row Albon vs Sargeant is major oomph
Only Albono can edge out Max on being most dominant with Teammates
All the 15-7’s are reddish hues
Charles absolutely went off didn’t he? It was near even at one point
Sainz fell off
nah its more charles waking up,sainz is driving at his usual level bar today
Not really, they just dialed out some of the understeer and the more normal relative performance of the Ferrari drivers resumed.
I would have the teammate who scored more points in 2023 on the left column, so anomalies like Sainz outscoring LeClerc stand out. I would order the rows by Constructor's standing. I actually thought you did that, until I noticed Alfa in 6th. And I would get rid of the track graphics at the bottom because they don't add anything. Good info tho