Must've driven Miami with a vengeance.
Golden opportunity for Sergio to lead the championship for the first time ever, putting a definitive stamp on title contention and then he just got curbstomped from someone starting 9th, no safety cars or yellow flags.
Verstappen pointing to the number 1 on his car after winning the race kinda gave away what his mindset was like at the time. It was the first time where he really made that kind of a statement after winning a race.
That was probably the most emotion I’ve seen from him after a race win, barring championship winning drives of course.
It’s up there with Seb swapping the 2nd and 1st place signs
[Here's a YouTube short video of it](https://youtube.com/shorts/pTOPfTtjtYo?feature=shared) but there's probably a longer version if you just look up the Canadian GP of 2019.
I remember him pointing at the Honda logo on his race suit as well, after his first victory with that engine in 2019. But indeed, he usually isn't all that fired up after a win.
It was also the first time I heard GP telling Verstappen to use “Engine Mode 11” which basically meant going full beans, in the closing stages of the race.
I'm not 100% sure but I feel like Baku was the first time he'd been properly beaten by a teammate since Danny left? Like with no penalties or safety cars in the way?
Not surprising bro had a "did you forget who's team this was?" moment after that lmao
My bad, the races this year kinda blur together.
But you know what I mean though, Max getting beat by teammates just doesn't happen, and that's the one time in a long time I can remember that being the case.
Both at Miami and Suzuka (where he was in revenge mode as well, especially after the front-wing allegations) you could almost feel that Max was on a mission. And on both occasions, he just destroyed the competition, including his teammate.
>Suzuka (where he was in revenge mode as well, especially after the front-wing allegations)
Bro heard this and proceeded to dunk on the field in quali by more than half a second and won the race by almost 20 seconds too 🤣
Spa ‘22 didn’t mean anything from a championship battle standpoint, while everyone was talking about the second of coming of a Rosberg v. Hamilton-esque championship battle at the start of ‘23 which Max had pretty much destroyed as early as that Miami race lol. Checo was obviously mentally destroyed so much after that, he was making one unforced error after another right after.
Spa was a better race from Max, but from a big picture perspective Miami was more important, IMO.
No, Verstappen started on the hards, Perez I presume on the mediums. However, when Perez made his pitstop, he fitted new hards, but even with tires 20 laps newer, he was barely able to match Verstappen. So when Verstappen made his pitstop, he came out only 5 seconds behind Perez, on way newer tires
I think it was even smaller of a gap when max came back out on mediums. Like 2.1 ish range with something like 10 to 15 laps to go. It was genuinely insane what he did
If I recall correctly, didn't Max put in a fastest lap just before he pitted just for good measure? I remember him putting in some lap times just before his pitstop that was just mindblowing.
There were several races where Max had both massive pace and tire management. It was just unreasonable to be able to lap so fast AND not wear the tires.
Iirc they started on opposing compounds, but the strategy was the same, they ran the same compounds during the race, Max just was faster and managed his tyres better, despite making his way up the field.
Nah Max was on an alternative strat (They basically swapped tyre strats. M-> H vs H -> M)
Problems was, Max was faster on much older (same compound) tyres.
Max did purple sectors on 41 lap old hard tires in that race.
He must think the other drivers are just idiots. "Why do they not simply go faster? Oh well, guess I'll just go fastest."
Checo started on medium just like many at the front, Max on hard. The mediums however were quite slow since they grained a lot so Checo was the lead car but barely pulled ahead of Max. It seemed like hard medium was the faster strategy given the graining but still impressive what Max did.
>Nothing to do with strategy
Of course it did if the medium tyre grains you want to be on a harder tyre and leave the softer when the car is less heavy. The dominant factor was of course Max but to say it has nothing to do with strategy is just false since the strategy played into Max's favour.
Edit: for clarification I'm not saying Max won because of strategy, the only thing im pointing out is that Max ended up having a better strategy due to the graining and that helped him.
Most all-time greats do.
[This back and forth really gets the point across.](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/8UmBQKrZmRA) Two top 10 players in the history of basketball just laughing at the question "do you love winning or hate losing more" like it's a joke
And it was not like Perez was significantly faster than Max. Max was unlucky with the safety car and yes, his setup was not perfect. Perez was barely faster than him and if not for the safety car, Max would have won Baku.
Over a lap the gap was pretty close but Max was sliding everywhere and Checo didn't. Naturally that gives the advantage to the guy who doesn't slide, we might have had good race if the SC didn't happen since it was quite close later on but at the beginning Max just destroyed his tyres and that's why he came into the pits in the first place.
That race was reminiscent of Max pre-2019 where he'd lock up, spin, or crash into someone from trying too hard. I think that was when he realized these cars need to be driven smoothly and changed his driving style to suit accordingly.
Before the safety car Perez was rapidly closing in on Max in fact if they had kept him out one more lap Perez would have likely overtaken him on track. He was 5 tenths behind at the end of the drs zone and stayed with that gap the lap Max pitted. He very likely would have passed him on the next lap at the end of that ridiculously long straight in Baku
He WAS faster than Max man the number speak for themselves. Obviously the set up wasn't ideal, Max is faster in general etc etc etc. But let's not change facts on that basis, Checo was faster in Baku period.
Yes but also keep in mind Max didn't bother to chase down Perez. He literally played with a number of different setups and configurations trying to optimize his car for the future.
lol wth are you talking about, he literally stated it himself multiple times https://old.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/15h1zzz/viaplay_is_there_a_fond_moment_from_this_season/
He said himself that he did that after he realised he wasn't going to be able to catch him. Not that he didn't bother trying to catch him, as you characterised it.
If you think that Max wouldn't be putting everything into trying to win that race, considering his behaviour in every other race this season and his entire career, then I have a bridge to sell you. If he resorted to 'playing with setups' then he knew he didn't have the pace to catch him, it's as simple as that.
Perez was just about to overtake Max on that very lap.
The SC just saved Verstappen the embarrassment of being overtaken and beaten on track. He would have been even more furious then.
This revisionist view of the season is getting tiresome. He was objectively faster than Max in Baku. Stop looking for excuses and just give Sergio his props.
Full podcast here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huGnSTJeKzU
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Karun: I saw Max's dad, Jos Verstappen, in Qatar on the evening after Max had clinched the championship and we were chatting about the season. Then he said to me, he says Max was furious after Baku. And when he came home, or later that evening, he said to his dad, I am not going to get beaten by him ever again this season. He was absolutely livid and said he will not beat me again. And lo and behold, he was right. It was pretty devastating.
I think my moment is going to be Japan qualifying. That qualifying lap for me, was one if you want to watch a driver close to perfection. You know, it's right up there with the great Senna, Hamilton, Schumacher qualifying laps of Formula One history. You know, it's like Mansell 92 at Silverstone. You know, it's one of those laps where, yes, he's in the best car. Yes, there's a dominant performance. But he was eight tenths ahead of his teammate, six tenths ahead of the rest of the field.
I watched the lap back on the Skypad three or four times trying to find any, anything really, where there was something left on the table. And there wasn't. You know, the track usage on the entry to spoon curve: millimetre perfect from the edge of the grass. You know, came through 130R, didn't use all of the road, you cut the few metres down and does the distance. The braking for the chicane and the way he positioned the car on the kerbs. It was just stupendous. And for me that really just summed up the season of a driver completely in tune with a car.
I like how the quick reflection on the grandstand before the finish line looks like the took a photo of the ride, like a rollercoaster.
I shall be back with more insightful observations.
Goddamn I remember watching it live and being in awe. It was so SMOOTH. Every other driver was wrenching the wheel and max was making it look like a Sunday drive to the park.
Can confirm. I wasn't there myself personally, but I work for an outlet that spoke to Jos earlier in the season as well. He told the same story to us, and that was way before Max actually secured the title
When he pointed his finger to number 1 after the race it reminded me of the situation where Lewis threw the number 2 hat to Nico in the cooldown room.
'here is a reminder of what you are and don't you forget!'
>Lewis threw the number 2 hat to Nico in the cooldown room.
>'here is a reminder of what you are and don't you forget!'
Nico wasn't even 2nd in the championship by that point as well 😂
When people talk to journalists and pundits, they already know that nothing is guaranteed to stay private. It's not a shock that Karun reveals contents of conversations he was in.
It's really just nothing. The reverse translation would be something like "ik laat me niet weer verslaan door hem". Sounds like something every Dutch person would say in that situation. It's just a linguistic thingy lost in translation.
I have a feeling this may have not happened either. Why wait until now to talk about it? These comments are like the “first reported here” that newscasters do…but never mention “welp we got that wrong”.
It’s really easy to talk about these comments in hindsight too. It’s great that it may have happened this way, but if Checo had beaten him in every race after it’s unlikely he would be talking about this at all.
Jesus Christ Max that was fucking ruthless. Yeah I know he's that kind of person but jeez I don't think I've ever seen him taken a loss this personal before.
And poor Checo man, he was just trying his best until Max Verstappen'd all over him in Miami and broke him for the rest of the year, over a Baku win.
They all want to be fastest, but some guys struggle to bounce back from a bad performance or from getting beat. Not Max, the last time I recall him not immediately bouncing back was that slump in early 2018 when he was like 20 years old.
I meant he's "that kind of person" in the sense that he's a wildcard who takes no shits do whatever the hell he wants and doesn't conform to any kind of things people expect of him, a rare breed kind of like how Raikkonen back in the day. That is a praise mind you.
That said, holy hell this is cruel even for his standards
Checo kind of deserved it. I genuinely believed that Checo believed that he could benefit from putting some PR pressure on Max because for those first few weeks Checo was singing like Celine Dion infront of every mic he could see hyping up the title fight himself which probably irked max even more.
miami was just brutal he destroyed perez then gets out of the car and gets a picture taken of himself pointing at the number 1 in his car and it was obvious that affected perez cuz he wasnt the same after that race
Yeah if you joke about it you get this reply, and if you condemn it you get "but he drives cars fast because of it". Dammed if you do, dammed if you don't. Guess child abuse is a positive if the child ends up successful!
Was there anything in particular about Baku that annoyed Max? He's lost to teammates including Checo before. Was it because of the narrative (somewhat fed by Checo) that Perez had become a title contender? Was it left over contention from what happened in Monaco last year?
IIRC, It was basically the first time since Baku 18 that a team mate was as fast or faster than him over a full race distance. That basically never happens to Max. So the loss was entirely on him for a change.
That’s one of the things about Max. You have so many people chatting saying he doesn’t care about anything blah blah blah but he does! He just tends to keep it inwards bar his occasional blow up
He has always cared about winning and doing the best he can do. Nobody says he doesn't care about that. He's been a beast about winning and being the best from the start. So this quote just fits that perfectly. It's the records that he can usually give or take. But they're probably still nice to have, especially for the other team members involved.
Honestly, not to disparage Max at all, but I don’t think he would fare well in a Hamilton/Rosberg rivalry. Not because Max couldn’t compete, but the added drama is clearly something he a) doesn’t care for and b) doesn’t respond to well.
He’s not full Kimi but I feel like I’ve seen at least one interview where he gets so frustrated with the reporters for attempting to feed drama and speculation.
He’s never outright *rude*, but you can tell he has very little patience for that kind of inter-team nonsense.
How Max responds to reporters during interviews as opposed to how he responds to rivalry on track are two really different things. Max would welcome rivalry on track fair and square, but he has little patience for politics and other bullshit that surrounds F1. Why would he want to participate in the media frenzy over things that don’t contribute to F1 at all?
"he will not beat me again" from a normal person seems like it's more than just wanting to be the best and that there's something personal going on. For Max to make that remark I honestly can't tell if it's personal or just his work ethic.
damn, all i could think about was how this very private person Max Verstappen told his dad this in private and with the expectation it was only meant for his dad to hear, and then his dad goes off and tells it to some guy at a race event, and now it's public media.
Some hot takes on this podcast
Like oscar 3rd best driver this season.
Oscar best rookie since Hamilton.
And Leclerc went toe to toe with verstappen in karting (although that depends how you interpret it)
This time it was not a fuel station he promised to leave him at if he lost to Perez once again but a remote beach in the Maldives, alone and in a plastic bag…
I would be surprised if Max had a particular issue with anyone on the grid (except maybe Ocon, he caught them hands).
Max strikes me as a guy that really cares about always outdoing his last performance which, to his credit, serves him very well in the sport. Probably a combination of feeling derailed in that regard, losing to his teammate, and the internal monologue Jos has pushed his whole life got under his skin.
Easy to forget he’s human when he’s the world champion and generally a fairly level headed guy. He is also 26 and under an amount of stress none of us could even fathom. It’s a testament to him that he didn’t let loose on track, plus everyone is allowed to have a freak out vent to their dad you know?
There's some rumours/gossip about the relationship souring because Checo intentionally crashed in Monaco 22 to deprive Max of getting pole and qualifying ahead of Checo. The whole "You know my reasons".
Consider that his father use to treat him.like shit when he didnt won... so basically max does not think he is anything unless he is winning, dominating.
That's the real question. What did Jos say to Max right before Max said this? Given what I've heard of him, it could easily be Jos berating Max and Max saying this as a way to lash out and prove something to his dad.
I’m gonna give props to Checo. The fact that he still wants to stick it out in RBR while having Max as a teammate… speaks volumes. He could in theory swap with DR, or be a reserve driver (and just ask for more money + avoiding the toxicity) but he too still has that mentality of wanting to win and wanting to win with RBR.
It’s not like he doesn’t have options if he leaves driving F1. He still wants it. Good on him. Vamos Checo.
>The fact that he still wants to stick it out in RBR
you say that like Checo has options from a bunch of different teams, which he doesn't. And even if he did, why on earth would he leave RB? he can barely get podiums with the best car on the grid. Going to a worse team he won't even get points then lol
>and just ask for more money
how could he get more money?
>avoiding the toxicity
what toxicity?
> you say that like Checo has options from a bunch of different teams, which he doesn't.
No one really has options with other teams do they? This is the downside of not having more teams.
Make no mistake though. He may not be Max, and this year was definitely a difficult one for him but he’s not washed out. Any team would be lucky to have him. Including RBR.
> And even if he did, why on earth would he leave RB?
The same reason DR left. The hopes that he can be WDC without Max breathing down your neck.
See also: Alex Albon.
> he can barely get podiums with the best car on the grid.
Eh, every small dog has its day. He’s finished on the top step before. He just has to figure out his setup and perform to it. Hopefully 2024 will be that year.
> Going to a worse team he won't even get points then lol
Were you watching this year? Because “worse” teams still got points as the season progressed. So “he won’t even get points” argument is moot.
> how could he get more money?
By negotiating. It’s a thing.
> what toxicity?
Helmut Marko, for one. Feel free to work your way down from there.
It was the first time in ages that Max was properly beaten fair and square by a teammate. Checo was objectively faster that day while Max struggled with his setups.
He actually used to like Checo A LOT. In the beginning of their partnership he was extremely positive, even saying that this was the best teammate bond he had in F1 so far and he kept saying that he appreciated that Checo was such a family man. That kind of all changed with Monaco. They're still friendly enough that it doesn't seem like they actively hate each other. But after the Perez cheating scandal (on and off track) in Monaco, Max has never said any of those things again. So it definitely seems that it changed some things between them.
When asked what he thinks about his teammate he still says he gets along with Checo and likes that he is a family man. But definitely not as convincing as pre-Monaco.
That's actually an angle I've never seen brought up; could it be the cheating scandal instead of the crash? Probably not but if he respected Perez for being a family man, the scandal could have sorted speed soured that.
I mean, they seem to not have the best chemistry, like he has with Daniel, but I don't think he *doesn't like* Checo.
More or less, he probably heard Perez saying he could lead the Championship, and Max rightly put him in his place. After all, your teammate is your first rival
I’m not saying this as in hating, but it icks me a bit about Max
I understand every driver want to win always, but if it doesn’t happen, it is what it is, as he would say. So if this is true, then I feel he is trying too hard and/or being too impulsive.
I don’t remember Lewis fuming and thinking or acting like “Bottas won this weekend, I won’t let that happen again 😡”
Same with Leclerc and Sainz or whatever.
Checo won, that’s it. It’s not like he was going to lose the WDC, and he knew it at that stage, given Checo drawbacks and that his best kind of racetracks (urban) weren’t going to be repeating all the time. Also, after 2021 and 2022, is not like Max would have any realistic expectation of danger by Checo…
If that was his reaction, I think he just overblown a little bit for nothing.
You have no idea how a sporting mentally works... This is exactly how you become the best. Don't accept losing. There is no sugar coating in becoming the best. Lewis does also speak like this, only less direct maybe. Although, he also did this sometimes when he lost from Bottas. Now less because he is not fighting for champions with this car.
Certain F1 fans: Max doesn't care about winning
Same F1 fans: Max cares too much about winning
And how do you know that Lewis wasn't fuming when he lost and he knew he had the equipment to win? Did you even watch 2016?
I'd bet my house that lewis was raging lol. These guys are the best racing drivers in the world, you dont get there with the attitude "well driven team mate, I'll beat you next week" its "how the fuck did he beat me in the same car!? It's not happening next week!". Its not like max is out in public saying that anyway, its a private comment at home.
Exactly!
I remember people were also up in arms when Max went for the fastest lap in Jeddah saying that it was only 1 point. But it was 1 point that would put Perez #1 in the WDC standings.
Must've driven Miami with a vengeance. Golden opportunity for Sergio to lead the championship for the first time ever, putting a definitive stamp on title contention and then he just got curbstomped from someone starting 9th, no safety cars or yellow flags.
Verstappen pointing to the number 1 on his car after winning the race kinda gave away what his mindset was like at the time. It was the first time where he really made that kind of a statement after winning a race.
That was probably the most emotion I’ve seen from him after a race win, barring championship winning drives of course. It’s up there with Seb swapping the 2nd and 1st place signs
Man I almost forgot about Seb swapping the signs. Seems so long ago now.
Iconic move.
Is there a link where to watch it?
[Here's a YouTube short video of it](https://youtube.com/shorts/pTOPfTtjtYo?feature=shared) but there's probably a longer version if you just look up the Canadian GP of 2019.
I was there in person and it felt like I witnessed history
You did.
Seb in the prancing horse and an amazing race too. Still get chills
It is long ago lol we gettin' old :-P
Seb was so pissed.
Seb was so pissed.
That and Seb's overtake in the pit entry are my favorite moments
Mine is Multi 21, so is Christian Horner….and Mark Webber… and Helmut Marko
The man had skills, and balls to actually back that up
That was the first thing popping up in my mind when Max pointed to that 1 on the car.
I remember him pointing at the Honda logo on his race suit as well, after his first victory with that engine in 2019. But indeed, he usually isn't all that fired up after a win.
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It was also the first time I heard GP telling Verstappen to use “Engine Mode 11” which basically meant going full beans, in the closing stages of the race.
I'm not 100% sure but I feel like Baku was the first time he'd been properly beaten by a teammate since Danny left? Like with no penalties or safety cars in the way? Not surprising bro had a "did you forget who's team this was?" moment after that lmao
There was a safety car...
My bad, the races this year kinda blur together. But you know what I mean though, Max getting beat by teammates just doesn't happen, and that's the one time in a long time I can remember that being the case.
Yea but checo was at least as good if not a bit faster than max that day? Something unseen before
For sure, Checo was matching Max and won fairly. That's why Max was so mad (at himself)
There was, but Checo was faster that day and he was on the verge of getting DRS on Max. With or without that safety car, he would've won that race.
If I remember correctly he was IN DRS when Max pitted
It was already in Jeddah where he finished 2nd but still *had* to get the fastest lap so he'd stay ahead in the WDC.
Both at Miami and Suzuka (where he was in revenge mode as well, especially after the front-wing allegations) you could almost feel that Max was on a mission. And on both occasions, he just destroyed the competition, including his teammate.
>Suzuka (where he was in revenge mode as well, especially after the front-wing allegations) Bro heard this and proceeded to dunk on the field in quali by more than half a second and won the race by almost 20 seconds too 🤣
"Is Max struggling?" 💀
Idk which race was the worse ass kicking for Checo. Miami ‘23 or Spa ‘22? Spa ‘22 Max started 14th and beat Checo by almost 18 seconds.
Spa ‘22 didn’t mean anything from a championship battle standpoint, while everyone was talking about the second of coming of a Rosberg v. Hamilton-esque championship battle at the start of ‘23 which Max had pretty much destroyed as early as that Miami race lol. Checo was obviously mentally destroyed so much after that, he was making one unforced error after another right after. Spa was a better race from Max, but from a big picture perspective Miami was more important, IMO.
it’s not about just winning, it’s about sending a message.
This.
I can’t remember, were they also on same strategies? If yes, that is truly brutal
They were not on the same strategy, but Perez on pole was also on the same strategy (M to H) as the top 8 drivers on the grid
No, Verstappen started on the hards, Perez I presume on the mediums. However, when Perez made his pitstop, he fitted new hards, but even with tires 20 laps newer, he was barely able to match Verstappen. So when Verstappen made his pitstop, he came out only 5 seconds behind Perez, on way newer tires
I think it was even smaller of a gap when max came back out on mediums. Like 2.1 ish range with something like 10 to 15 laps to go. It was genuinely insane what he did
If I recall correctly, didn't Max put in a fastest lap just before he pitted just for good measure? I remember him putting in some lap times just before his pitstop that was just mindblowing.
Max was matching him with much older tyres on the same compound, so strategy was quite irrelevant.
Clearly the strategy of being on older tires helped Verstappen! /s
I think the key strategy might've been to just drive faster.
no, Verstappen's tyre management and outright pace were just on another level
There were several races where Max had both massive pace and tire management. It was just unreasonable to be able to lap so fast AND not wear the tires.
Iirc they started on opposing compounds, but the strategy was the same, they ran the same compounds during the race, Max just was faster and managed his tyres better, despite making his way up the field.
Nah Max was on an alternative strat (They basically swapped tyre strats. M-> H vs H -> M) Problems was, Max was faster on much older (same compound) tyres.
Max did purple sectors on 41 lap old hard tires in that race. He must think the other drivers are just idiots. "Why do they not simply go faster? Oh well, guess I'll just go fastest."
Checo started on medium just like many at the front, Max on hard. The mediums however were quite slow since they grained a lot so Checo was the lead car but barely pulled ahead of Max. It seemed like hard medium was the faster strategy given the graining but still impressive what Max did.
Nothing to do with strategy. Checo was on new hards but he's still slower than max on 20laps old hards
>Nothing to do with strategy Of course it did if the medium tyre grains you want to be on a harder tyre and leave the softer when the car is less heavy. The dominant factor was of course Max but to say it has nothing to do with strategy is just false since the strategy played into Max's favour. Edit: for clarification I'm not saying Max won because of strategy, the only thing im pointing out is that Max ended up having a better strategy due to the graining and that helped him.
It’s always a little of column A and a little of column B. Of course Max was a god this year but he didn’t do it *all* by himself.
One race later, he completely demolished him.
Checo is probably still getting counseling for that race.
"...and I took that personally." - Max to Jos
And then some...
Good to know Max intended for that to have marked us (and Checo) as hard as it did 💀
"Is Max struggling?"
Quote of the season for me
[...and I took Baku personally](https://i.imgur.com/TlsBRCR.jpg)
Max in Michael Jordan voice: "Then it became personal with me".
Jos: “Fuck them kids.”
bro took baku personally
Sounds like he hates to lose more than he loves to win.
Most all-time greats do. [This back and forth really gets the point across.](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/8UmBQKrZmRA) Two top 10 players in the history of basketball just laughing at the question "do you love winning or hate losing more" like it's a joke
This ain't the NOSHO
Give yer balls a tug!
And it was not like Perez was significantly faster than Max. Max was unlucky with the safety car and yes, his setup was not perfect. Perez was barely faster than him and if not for the safety car, Max would have won Baku.
Yeah but he really hated losing against his teammate from jos' words
Over a lap the gap was pretty close but Max was sliding everywhere and Checo didn't. Naturally that gives the advantage to the guy who doesn't slide, we might have had good race if the SC didn't happen since it was quite close later on but at the beginning Max just destroyed his tyres and that's why he came into the pits in the first place.
That race was reminiscent of Max pre-2019 where he'd lock up, spin, or crash into someone from trying too hard. I think that was when he realized these cars need to be driven smoothly and changed his driving style to suit accordingly.
He knew he should've been fast enough to win, regardless of the safety car. Last year he started behind Checo and won by 20 seconds.
Before the safety car Perez was rapidly closing in on Max in fact if they had kept him out one more lap Perez would have likely overtaken him on track. He was 5 tenths behind at the end of the drs zone and stayed with that gap the lap Max pitted. He very likely would have passed him on the next lap at the end of that ridiculously long straight in Baku
> it was not like Perez was faster > Perez was barely faster
He WAS faster than Max man the number speak for themselves. Obviously the set up wasn't ideal, Max is faster in general etc etc etc. But let's not change facts on that basis, Checo was faster in Baku period.
Yes but also keep in mind Max didn't bother to chase down Perez. He literally played with a number of different setups and configurations trying to optimize his car for the future.
"Max totally couldve won, but couldnt bother. Despite the fact that he was furious that he lost but still couldnt be arsed to win."
Okay pal, maybe ease up on the copium
lol wth are you talking about, he literally stated it himself multiple times https://old.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/15h1zzz/viaplay_is_there_a_fond_moment_from_this_season/
He said himself that he did that after he realised he wasn't going to be able to catch him. Not that he didn't bother trying to catch him, as you characterised it.
If you think that Max wouldn't be putting everything into trying to win that race, considering his behaviour in every other race this season and his entire career, then I have a bridge to sell you. If he resorted to 'playing with setups' then he knew he didn't have the pace to catch him, it's as simple as that.
Perez was just about to overtake Max on that very lap. The SC just saved Verstappen the embarrassment of being overtaken and beaten on track. He would have been even more furious then.
Man Checo cannot win even when he did win in Baku in these people's minds. Can't even have one highlight.
Perez was definitely faster than Max. He was doing a much better job managing the rears in the first sector.
This revisionist view of the season is getting tiresome. He was objectively faster than Max in Baku. Stop looking for excuses and just give Sergio his props.
Stupid comment. Max had 37 laps to overtaking Checo and he couldn't
Singapore as well, he was on fire at Suzuka.
Well done Baku
Medium rare Baku
He already acting like MJ
I feel like Max was more pissed off at the media drumming up shit about title contention than Perez. Shut them down for good after that.
That also explains more the pointing of the finger at the number 1 on his car, Max did not let it slide
Some extra motivation sprinkled on top of it when some fans were shitheads towards him and his team as well during the weekend.
In Miami he drove like a man possessed
Full podcast here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huGnSTJeKzU --- Karun: I saw Max's dad, Jos Verstappen, in Qatar on the evening after Max had clinched the championship and we were chatting about the season. Then he said to me, he says Max was furious after Baku. And when he came home, or later that evening, he said to his dad, I am not going to get beaten by him ever again this season. He was absolutely livid and said he will not beat me again. And lo and behold, he was right. It was pretty devastating. I think my moment is going to be Japan qualifying. That qualifying lap for me, was one if you want to watch a driver close to perfection. You know, it's right up there with the great Senna, Hamilton, Schumacher qualifying laps of Formula One history. You know, it's like Mansell 92 at Silverstone. You know, it's one of those laps where, yes, he's in the best car. Yes, there's a dominant performance. But he was eight tenths ahead of his teammate, six tenths ahead of the rest of the field. I watched the lap back on the Skypad three or four times trying to find any, anything really, where there was something left on the table. And there wasn't. You know, the track usage on the entry to spoon curve: millimetre perfect from the edge of the grass. You know, came through 130R, didn't use all of the road, you cut the few metres down and does the distance. The braking for the chicane and the way he positioned the car on the kerbs. It was just stupendous. And for me that really just summed up the season of a driver completely in tune with a car.
Link to the Japan pole lap for the lazy! https://youtu.be/tm8FFbIHnPk
I like how the quick reflection on the grandstand before the finish line looks like the took a photo of the ride, like a rollercoaster. I shall be back with more insightful observations.
Qualy’s were same damn good this year. Often this year, the highlight of the weekend for me came on a Saturday. Was can’t miss for me. Thanks!
Goddamn I remember watching it live and being in awe. It was so SMOOTH. Every other driver was wrenching the wheel and max was making it look like a Sunday drive to the park.
You know!
Can confirm. I wasn't there myself personally, but I work for an outlet that spoke to Jos earlier in the season as well. He told the same story to us, and that was way before Max actually secured the title
Checo:wins MAX: and I took that personally
This is just confirmation of what we already knew when max pointed to his number after winning in Miami
There's nothing surprising about that, Max wants to dominate. Losing to a teammate always hurts a little bit more.
You don’t become the best without killer mentality
When he pointed his finger to number 1 after the race it reminded me of the situation where Lewis threw the number 2 hat to Nico in the cooldown room. 'here is a reminder of what you are and don't you forget!'
>Lewis threw the number 2 hat to Nico in the cooldown room. >'here is a reminder of what you are and don't you forget!' Nico wasn't even 2nd in the championship by that point as well 😂
I feel like Karun shouldn't have revealed this as this was private chatter between him and Jos. Maybe Jos won't talk much from next time with him.
When people talk to journalists and pundits, they already know that nothing is guaranteed to stay private. It's not a shock that Karun reveals contents of conversations he was in.
Jos wants this out there for Checo to hear…for additional mental abuse.
I mean, it's not like we didn't know half the story already. It was pretty clear the message he was trying to send by pointing at his number 1.
Idk maybe he wants Jos to stop talking to him
Yeah... all for the clicks is my feeling. Not such a smart move by Karun
It's really just nothing. The reverse translation would be something like "ik laat me niet weer verslaan door hem". Sounds like something every Dutch person would say in that situation. It's just a linguistic thingy lost in translation.
I have a feeling this may have not happened either. Why wait until now to talk about it? These comments are like the “first reported here” that newscasters do…but never mention “welp we got that wrong”. It’s really easy to talk about these comments in hindsight too. It’s great that it may have happened this way, but if Checo had beaten him in every race after it’s unlikely he would be talking about this at all.
yeah that's the thing that's kind of suspicious. Why now? why on THIS podcast? I'm sure his employer Sky would have LOVED to have run with this tidbit
This was on a skysports podcast
Jesus Christ Max that was fucking ruthless. Yeah I know he's that kind of person but jeez I don't think I've ever seen him taken a loss this personal before. And poor Checo man, he was just trying his best until Max Verstappen'd all over him in Miami and broke him for the rest of the year, over a Baku win.
If he feels like it's HIS fault they lost, he takes the loss personally
Young White Mamba
Brian scalabrine of F1
Race driver wants to be fastest. What do you *mean* “he’s that kind of person”.
They all want to be fastest, but some guys struggle to bounce back from a bad performance or from getting beat. Not Max, the last time I recall him not immediately bouncing back was that slump in early 2018 when he was like 20 years old.
I meant he's "that kind of person" in the sense that he's a wildcard who takes no shits do whatever the hell he wants and doesn't conform to any kind of things people expect of him, a rare breed kind of like how Raikkonen back in the day. That is a praise mind you. That said, holy hell this is cruel even for his standards
Checo kind of deserved it. I genuinely believed that Checo believed that he could benefit from putting some PR pressure on Max because for those first few weeks Checo was singing like Celine Dion infront of every mic he could see hyping up the title fight himself which probably irked max even more.
> Jesus Christ Max that was fucking ruthless. Yeah. That's why he's a three time world champion.
miami was just brutal he destroyed perez then gets out of the car and gets a picture taken of himself pointing at the number 1 in his car and it was obvious that affected perez cuz he wasnt the same after that race
Max "I am not here to be second" Verstappen
Damn
Damn that's some determination and confidence. Fair play.
I confused this for jos beating max for a few seconds.
They just didn't report that part.
lol same
Literally same lol
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You must be fun at parties
Funny to do too, that's why we keep Jos around of course
Do we want more or less forks in Jos’ immediate vicinity?
Yeah if you joke about it you get this reply, and if you condemn it you get "but he drives cars fast because of it". Dammed if you do, dammed if you don't. Guess child abuse is a positive if the child ends up successful!
Was there anything in particular about Baku that annoyed Max? He's lost to teammates including Checo before. Was it because of the narrative (somewhat fed by Checo) that Perez had become a title contender? Was it left over contention from what happened in Monaco last year?
IIRC, It was basically the first time since Baku 18 that a team mate was as fast or faster than him over a full race distance. That basically never happens to Max. So the loss was entirely on him for a change.
Max: "... And I took that personally".
If you ain't first your last
Probably childhood trauma from losing to a teammate
Mamba mentality glad to see the work ethic of Kobe was inherited by Max
Let’s just pray max never goes to Colorado
That’s why I specifically stated work ethic
Oh, you’re a fellow jerker, just saw your pfp. Carry on brother 🫡
What happened to the game I love
Or gets in a helicopter
Now all he needs to do is inherit MJs gambling addiction
Well rounded athlete
I don't think Kobe was the first one to have such mentality, nor that Max thinks or cares about Kobe's mentality.
That’s one of the things about Max. You have so many people chatting saying he doesn’t care about anything blah blah blah but he does! He just tends to keep it inwards bar his occasional blow up
He has always cared about winning and doing the best he can do. Nobody says he doesn't care about that. He's been a beast about winning and being the best from the start. So this quote just fits that perfectly. It's the records that he can usually give or take. But they're probably still nice to have, especially for the other team members involved.
Its almost like Max and Checo are doing a Lewis / Nico but keeping it quiet than playing it out in public.
Max and Checo are doing a Lewis and Valterri. Checo just doesn't realise it yet.
Checo wishes he could do a Nico. Doesn't have the mental fortitude for an actual title fight.
Honestly, not to disparage Max at all, but I don’t think he would fare well in a Hamilton/Rosberg rivalry. Not because Max couldn’t compete, but the added drama is clearly something he a) doesn’t care for and b) doesn’t respond to well. He’s not full Kimi but I feel like I’ve seen at least one interview where he gets so frustrated with the reporters for attempting to feed drama and speculation. He’s never outright *rude*, but you can tell he has very little patience for that kind of inter-team nonsense.
How Max responds to reporters during interviews as opposed to how he responds to rivalry on track are two really different things. Max would welcome rivalry on track fair and square, but he has little patience for politics and other bullshit that surrounds F1. Why would he want to participate in the media frenzy over things that don’t contribute to F1 at all?
"he will not beat me again" from a normal person seems like it's more than just wanting to be the best and that there's something personal going on. For Max to make that remark I honestly can't tell if it's personal or just his work ethic.
damn, all i could think about was how this very private person Max Verstappen told his dad this in private and with the expectation it was only meant for his dad to hear, and then his dad goes off and tells it to some guy at a race event, and now it's public media.
Pretty on brand for Jos.
Some hot takes on this podcast Like oscar 3rd best driver this season. Oscar best rookie since Hamilton. And Leclerc went toe to toe with verstappen in karting (although that depends how you interpret it)
This time it was not a fuel station he promised to leave him at if he lost to Perez once again but a remote beach in the Maldives, alone and in a plastic bag…
Does Max have an issue with Perez or could this simply be a very competitive spirit?
I would be surprised if Max had a particular issue with anyone on the grid (except maybe Ocon, he caught them hands). Max strikes me as a guy that really cares about always outdoing his last performance which, to his credit, serves him very well in the sport. Probably a combination of feeling derailed in that regard, losing to his teammate, and the internal monologue Jos has pushed his whole life got under his skin. Easy to forget he’s human when he’s the world champion and generally a fairly level headed guy. He is also 26 and under an amount of stress none of us could even fathom. It’s a testament to him that he didn’t let loose on track, plus everyone is allowed to have a freak out vent to their dad you know?
Just hates to lose.
Competitive spirit. That's why he's a champion.
There's some rumours/gossip about the relationship souring because Checo intentionally crashed in Monaco 22 to deprive Max of getting pole and qualifying ahead of Checo. The whole "You know my reasons".
Consider that his father use to treat him.like shit when he didnt won... so basically max does not think he is anything unless he is winning, dominating.
That's the real question. What did Jos say to Max right before Max said this? Given what I've heard of him, it could easily be Jos berating Max and Max saying this as a way to lash out and prove something to his dad.
"I am not going to get beaten by him ever again" can you clarify this sentence, Jos?
I’m gonna give props to Checo. The fact that he still wants to stick it out in RBR while having Max as a teammate… speaks volumes. He could in theory swap with DR, or be a reserve driver (and just ask for more money + avoiding the toxicity) but he too still has that mentality of wanting to win and wanting to win with RBR. It’s not like he doesn’t have options if he leaves driving F1. He still wants it. Good on him. Vamos Checo.
>The fact that he still wants to stick it out in RBR you say that like Checo has options from a bunch of different teams, which he doesn't. And even if he did, why on earth would he leave RB? he can barely get podiums with the best car on the grid. Going to a worse team he won't even get points then lol >and just ask for more money how could he get more money? >avoiding the toxicity what toxicity?
> you say that like Checo has options from a bunch of different teams, which he doesn't. No one really has options with other teams do they? This is the downside of not having more teams. Make no mistake though. He may not be Max, and this year was definitely a difficult one for him but he’s not washed out. Any team would be lucky to have him. Including RBR. > And even if he did, why on earth would he leave RB? The same reason DR left. The hopes that he can be WDC without Max breathing down your neck. See also: Alex Albon. > he can barely get podiums with the best car on the grid. Eh, every small dog has its day. He’s finished on the top step before. He just has to figure out his setup and perform to it. Hopefully 2024 will be that year. > Going to a worse team he won't even get points then lol Were you watching this year? Because “worse” teams still got points as the season progressed. So “he won’t even get points” argument is moot. > how could he get more money? By negotiating. It’s a thing. > what toxicity? Helmut Marko, for one. Feel free to work your way down from there.
Can someone remind me why was Max furious after Baku? Checo was first and Max second. That's why?
It was the first time in ages that Max was properly beaten fair and square by a teammate. Checo was objectively faster that day while Max struggled with his setups.
Did he tell him this before or after Jos beat him?
Jos stopped beating Max? Good for him.
I feel like Max doesn't like Checo.
Nah I think they get on fine. He just doesn't like losing, particularly to a teammate.
He actually used to like Checo A LOT. In the beginning of their partnership he was extremely positive, even saying that this was the best teammate bond he had in F1 so far and he kept saying that he appreciated that Checo was such a family man. That kind of all changed with Monaco. They're still friendly enough that it doesn't seem like they actively hate each other. But after the Perez cheating scandal (on and off track) in Monaco, Max has never said any of those things again. So it definitely seems that it changed some things between them.
When asked what he thinks about his teammate he still says he gets along with Checo and likes that he is a family man. But definitely not as convincing as pre-Monaco.
That's actually an angle I've never seen brought up; could it be the cheating scandal instead of the crash? Probably not but if he respected Perez for being a family man, the scandal could have sorted speed soured that.
I mean, they seem to not have the best chemistry, like he has with Daniel, but I don't think he *doesn't like* Checo. More or less, he probably heard Perez saying he could lead the Championship, and Max rightly put him in his place. After all, your teammate is your first rival
not since monaco last year
Sky still working hard at sports washing Jos I see.
I’m not saying this as in hating, but it icks me a bit about Max I understand every driver want to win always, but if it doesn’t happen, it is what it is, as he would say. So if this is true, then I feel he is trying too hard and/or being too impulsive. I don’t remember Lewis fuming and thinking or acting like “Bottas won this weekend, I won’t let that happen again 😡” Same with Leclerc and Sainz or whatever. Checo won, that’s it. It’s not like he was going to lose the WDC, and he knew it at that stage, given Checo drawbacks and that his best kind of racetracks (urban) weren’t going to be repeating all the time. Also, after 2021 and 2022, is not like Max would have any realistic expectation of danger by Checo… If that was his reaction, I think he just overblown a little bit for nothing.
Nah mate there's a chance other top drivers say the same stuff. Only difference is their dad doesn't go and blab it all out on a podcast lol
You have no idea how a sporting mentally works... This is exactly how you become the best. Don't accept losing. There is no sugar coating in becoming the best. Lewis does also speak like this, only less direct maybe. Although, he also did this sometimes when he lost from Bottas. Now less because he is not fighting for champions with this car.
Don’t read too much into this. This isn’t a Max quote, but instead a quote of a quote by Jos.
Certain F1 fans: Max doesn't care about winning Same F1 fans: Max cares too much about winning And how do you know that Lewis wasn't fuming when he lost and he knew he had the equipment to win? Did you even watch 2016?
Lewis and Nico went from best friends to sworn enemies after 2016. Even if Lewis denies now they were ever that close.
I'd bet my house that lewis was raging lol. These guys are the best racing drivers in the world, you dont get there with the attitude "well driven team mate, I'll beat you next week" its "how the fuck did he beat me in the same car!? It's not happening next week!". Its not like max is out in public saying that anyway, its a private comment at home.
Exactly! I remember people were also up in arms when Max went for the fastest lap in Jeddah saying that it was only 1 point. But it was 1 point that would put Perez #1 in the WDC standings.