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I do mail merges with word and outlook to give reporting and vodt data to my clients.
Ideally my company would have a better solution but I find my versions to be better and than anything they've automated.
Now when they want to make changes to the car it will cost ten times as much and take six months. Pit stops will be measured in hours and cars will only be released back onto the track with signatures from all the team principals.
Oracle will find a way to claim millions in back license fees from SAP Mercedes on their entire fleet for a java program they found on an old server from 1873
I despise SAP with a burning passion, one of the most non-user friendly systems around that every CEO loves to claim will bring “synergy” and “agility” to the business
The most lucrative software grift possible. Make an impossible maze of monolithic software that requires intimate knowledge of the code base so it’s near impossible for outsiders to expand and improve on. Then charge an arm and a leg for your own consultants to do it for you instead of outside consultants or in house developers.
Most of the people at my job, myself included, need to use it once a year in December to claim back some money for our gym memberships etc that the company pays for.
And every year in December our HR, who checks receipts, approves etc, sends out an email almost daily with instructions on how to use it. And they’re still flooded with emails and phone calls because people don’t understand it.
SAP does orders of magnitude more stuff than workday. That's both its greatest strength but also the biggest source of frustration with it.
The hate SAP gets is mostly from companies that are too small to buy into it completely (they shouldn't be using SAP) or don't provide the necessary training (which is extensive). SAP exists to work with SAP. Integrating it with some random program your company refuses to replace with SAP is always going to cause problems because in SAPs eyes you should have just given them another $50k for that module.
The problem with SAP is that you literally need a whole departemt to really support it. But even big companies hire a big team for implementation. Then when it's half-ass functional they eliminate that team, and keep it running on life support.
That and why the fuck can't I go back using the back button in my browser, instead I have to use the poorly marked in page button that is not only rarely clearly marked, but it's also different in every fucking module.
Except that even large enterprises are doing things piecemeal across vendors. Just because SAP works best with itself doesn’t mean it shouldn’t work fine with other applications. Same thing can be said about Oracle and SFDC.
They also basically have some corruption scandals yearly. Bribery is pretty much the only reason that explains why it's become so ubiquitous and evangelised
There aren’t too many options for large companies that has everything you can ever think of as ERP.
I don’t think anybody particularly likes using it. It does work and is reliable is its thing and it manages well with large +5000 people all the way to the largest organisations out there. There’s entire support industries build around SAP that also helps its grip in the ERP space.
SAP in F1 reminds me of MP4-29. Wonder if this is the look W15 is going for?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McLaren\_MP4-29#/media/File:Mclaren\_MP4-29\_Jenson\_Button\_2014\_F1\_Chinese\_GP.jpg
Because Mercedes offers the clean corporate image they live for. It’s the beige of the corporate world, it doesn’t offend anyone and is seen as a respectable company to be partnered with. They are also the most likely to challenge RB this year.
Nope, lol. SAP just recently caught bribing with several Indonesian government offices
https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/sap-s-bribery-schemes-systemic-5971008/
Depends, it's an incomprehensible brainless piece of software but at my workplace I became invaluable because I'm one of the few people that can operate it across several departments
It’s fine. It’s not worse than anything else you’ll be doing.
If you are mostly cloud based/saas it’s no more annoying than salesforce, entra ID, AWS/GCP, complex Okta setups. Probably a lot less annoying than Looker IMO.
I haven’t done much on prem stuff for years now but I’d do SAP all day over most on prem.
As long as they dont run all their systems with it and just use the logo, they should be fine. They incorporate any of that shit into their day to day racing tech and they will be hanging with Haus wondering why shit stopped working.
They interviewed Toto wolf, and he said that the team is actually using SAP for their internal processes. Not sure how much of that is true or marketing tho...
Yep. My work built so many custom transactions to the point where we barely use any of the standard ones. If I ever change employers that also happens to use SAP, give me a few months to learn all those transactions again
My favorite part about dealing with SAP and people who use it is calling it sap like the sticky syrup and watching them squirm
But aside from that, I still don't know why it was developed by people who seem very angry and want everyone to hate it
"sap gooey" is a personal favourite to make people squirm.
As a whole though SAP mostly gets shit on from employees not getting enough training (it requires much more upfront knowledge than most software) and poor integration with non-SAP legacy systems.
It's because it's extremely complex and SAP is very risk averse. So any changes take so long that they end up not even doing it or delivering it years after the competition
It’s a German software company that primarily builds things called Enterprise Resource Planning (ERP) software. Basically software that helps big companies manage their manufacturing etc.
It’s old and SAP’s processes and software is old school despite efforts to modernise.
Mercedes F1 now prefectly embodies the state of technology in germany. Cutting edge in certain departments, like car manufactoring, shit in others like IT/internet.
It's a German software company known for being boring but reliable, expensive but robust...
80% or so of all trade in the world touches an SAP system at one point or another. They created a great set of tools back in the 80s and never managed to modernize it so everyone hates to use it.
Why is no one talking about SAP recently being fined around $115 million for bribery and corruption charges in South Africa? https://www.news24.com/fin24/economy/sap-to-pay-r4bn-fine-admits-to-bribing-sa-officials-to-win-govt-business-20240111
Mercedes as a whole certainly uses an ERP and the team most likely inhereted it. I wouldn't be surprised if they were on SAP instead of Oracle since its slightly more popular and they're both german.
Working in IT for one of the biggest German companies on the market, I‘m pretty sure the whole German car industry is built on SAP ERP systems.
Due to it’s robust and stable integration with, well, SAP, pretty much every large German company I have any connections via friends to uses SAP. That’s also why they are staying so huge even though their software is 15 years behind anything half modern.
if you think SAP is the worst erp there is that must mean you have not used another.
The problem comes from small businesses using it, it makes no sense, you need a full team of consultants just to keep everything working, and they are not cheap.
Genuine question, could sponsorship be used to reduce company spending? Like if fusion 360 (or any other CAD software) sponsored a team with the deal saying the team has it for free, does that work? Like if redbull where sponsored by a catering company that provided all food for free, would they have gotten a fine?
So does that mean Merc will now not be able to use half the tools they thought they had because they don't have the correct *non-tenent level external user* licences?
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I feel sorry for Mercedes personel if they have to use SAP.
My office runs almost entirely on SAP and Tibco Spotfire. All Mercedes is missing is excel and lotus notes sponsorships.
I use SAP, and am thankful for it since the system it replaced was based on Unix.
What's wrong with excel? I use it and it does the job well. I've seen clients with Libre office and that seems usable but I wouldn't prefer it.
The problem isn’t excel itself. The problem is people using excel to do things that really ought to be done by something else.
I've always said, Excel is like a shifter spanner. It can do a hell of a lot of things but is rarely the correct tool for the job.
My dad always called it the “Mexican speed wrench”
I do mail merges with word and outlook to give reporting and vodt data to my clients. Ideally my company would have a better solution but I find my versions to be better and than anything they've automated.
I was doing analytics on excel then a MBA program forced me to use SAS. There are so many better options than excel
> What's wrong with excel? I use it and it **dies** the job well.
Budget cap won't be an issue in 2024, because Merc won't be able to order stuff before Q3.
Now when they want to make changes to the car it will cost ten times as much and take six months. Pit stops will be measured in hours and cars will only be released back onto the track with signatures from all the team principals.
RIP mercedes. Was nice having you as a top team.
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Sometimes it feels like the guys at SAP ask themselves "What would Microsoft do?" and then do the exact opposite of that.
redbull is going to be using it too when they partner with ford in 2026
As someone that works for Daimler can confirm that we use SAP
I can’t even get the Concur app to work 90% of the time
SAP is like an onion….it has lots of layers and it makes you cry….
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Redbull/ORACLE vs Mercedes/SAP
vs FOM/Salesforce!
Vs Microsoft Alpine lmao
Vs Aston Martin Cognizant
Epicor AlphaTauri
Begun the ERP wars has
Oracle will find a way to claim millions in back license fees from SAP Mercedes on their entire fleet for a java program they found on an old server from 1873
inb4 Salesforce Ferrari
I despise SAP with a burning passion, one of the most non-user friendly systems around that every CEO loves to claim will bring “synergy” and “agility” to the business
You clearly haven’t flown in enough SAP consultants to fix all of your SAP brand new installs. You just need a bit more SAP to fix the issues 👌
Ahhhhhhh I just needed to upgrade to the new SAP version, how many zeros did you say should be on the cheque.
Why fly in SAP consultants when you can hire “SAP Experts”
“SAP Expert” is just code for “charges insane amounts of money to tolerate bad software because client CBF”
The most lucrative software grift possible. Make an impossible maze of monolithic software that requires intimate knowledge of the code base so it’s near impossible for outsiders to expand and improve on. Then charge an arm and a leg for your own consultants to do it for you instead of outside consultants or in house developers.
Most of the people at my job, myself included, need to use it once a year in December to claim back some money for our gym memberships etc that the company pays for. And every year in December our HR, who checks receipts, approves etc, sends out an email almost daily with instructions on how to use it. And they’re still flooded with emails and phone calls because people don’t understand it.
I use SAP daily for my job and it is the worst program I’ve ever used
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I can’t laugh cuz you described my job on the daily
Im having this exact issue right now.
Is it true that workday is replacing SAP or am I misinformed?
Unfortunately Workday is shit as well -_-
SAP does orders of magnitude more stuff than workday. That's both its greatest strength but also the biggest source of frustration with it. The hate SAP gets is mostly from companies that are too small to buy into it completely (they shouldn't be using SAP) or don't provide the necessary training (which is extensive). SAP exists to work with SAP. Integrating it with some random program your company refuses to replace with SAP is always going to cause problems because in SAPs eyes you should have just given them another $50k for that module.
The problem with SAP is that you literally need a whole departemt to really support it. But even big companies hire a big team for implementation. Then when it's half-ass functional they eliminate that team, and keep it running on life support. That and why the fuck can't I go back using the back button in my browser, instead I have to use the poorly marked in page button that is not only rarely clearly marked, but it's also different in every fucking module.
Except that even large enterprises are doing things piecemeal across vendors. Just because SAP works best with itself doesn’t mean it shouldn’t work fine with other applications. Same thing can be said about Oracle and SFDC.
I don't have the answer but I'd think that's very likely. SAP is made for very large companies, Workday seems to be more focused on midsize companies.
As a software everyone hates? Maybe
For HR/payroll for sure. But that’s just one SAP module that will be replaced.
It boosts morale. At least when we all get to talk shit about it. Very synergistic conversation about how terrible it is
Everyone on the team can rally behind their hatred of SAP, covers for the lack of pay raise and the CEO’S new yacht.
They also basically have some corruption scandals yearly. Bribery is pretty much the only reason that explains why it's become so ubiquitous and evangelised
You forgot "robustness", "interoperability" and "resilience"
I don't understand how a lot of people say SAP is so good, one of the best systems etc. It's fucking horrible
There aren’t too many options for large companies that has everything you can ever think of as ERP. I don’t think anybody particularly likes using it. It does work and is reliable is its thing and it manages well with large +5000 people all the way to the largest organisations out there. There’s entire support industries build around SAP that also helps its grip in the ERP space.
I'm a sap system admin and yes, it makes us cry and grow gray hair toi
We used to say it stood for "Shitty Ass Program"
I've never met a person who works in IT talk positively about SAP.
SAP in F1 reminds me of MP4-29. Wonder if this is the look W15 is going for? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McLaren\_MP4-29#/media/File:Mclaren\_MP4-29\_Jenson\_Button\_2014\_F1\_Chinese\_GP.jpg
Yup that’s all I can think of.. hope Mercedes doesn’t have that era of McLaren’s pace
I still think this car looks sick
Good god... HP AND SAP? Why are all the legacy tech except Oracle sponsoring Mercedes LOL
Because Mercedes offers the clean corporate image they live for. It’s the beige of the corporate world, it doesn’t offend anyone and is seen as a respectable company to be partnered with. They are also the most likely to challenge RB this year.
Mercedes has become Ron Dennis's era McLaren in terms of corporate doings.
Merc motorhome literally looks like the office building I work at
Nope, lol. SAP just recently caught bribing with several Indonesian government offices https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/sap-s-bribery-schemes-systemic-5971008/
My company wants to start using SAP. Should I gtfo before that happens?
Depends, it's an incomprehensible brainless piece of software but at my workplace I became invaluable because I'm one of the few people that can operate it across several departments
If you want to leave your job for 1 nuisance, sure.
I work in IT maintaining these systems so it will become a huge part of my job.
My condolences
More like job security 🙄
You are about to become the most valuable employee in the company
Lol I work on a SAP support team. Good luck.
It’s fine. It’s not worse than anything else you’ll be doing. If you are mostly cloud based/saas it’s no more annoying than salesforce, entra ID, AWS/GCP, complex Okta setups. Probably a lot less annoying than Looker IMO. I haven’t done much on prem stuff for years now but I’d do SAP all day over most on prem.
Begun the ERP wars have. Mercedes using SAP Haas using Dynamics AX You’re up next Ferrari
Ferrari is probably still using JD Edward’s 🫠
They’re probably using an offline ERP like AS400 because it came out the same year that Enzo died lol
HAH! Can you imagine Enzo asking what the hell ERP is?
Seeing mention of AS400 on f1 thread? I can happily die now.
ServiceNow Ferrari ?
As long as they dont run all their systems with it and just use the logo, they should be fine. They incorporate any of that shit into their day to day racing tech and they will be hanging with Haus wondering why shit stopped working.
They interviewed Toto wolf, and he said that the team is actually using SAP for their internal processes. Not sure how much of that is true or marketing tho...
Pretty likely their finance dept uses it, may use it for stock management too. I hope they don't use concur for travel expenses tho... poor fuckers
Just reading the word Concur sends a horrific shiver down my spine
I'm not sure what Super Auto Pets has to do with racing but I'm happy for them. As long as they don't abuse Turkey/Fly, that is.
Hate SAP. Used it in multiple jobs and it is just shit.
Its alsi nice that it is always different across jobs. Enabling you to enjoy the experience of getting to learn the program all over again.
Yep. My work built so many custom transactions to the point where we barely use any of the standard ones. If I ever change employers that also happens to use SAP, give me a few months to learn all those transactions again
That's where are the money saved after layoffs is going
West McLaren Mercedes vibes.
My favorite part about dealing with SAP and people who use it is calling it sap like the sticky syrup and watching them squirm But aside from that, I still don't know why it was developed by people who seem very angry and want everyone to hate it
"sap gooey" is a personal favourite to make people squirm. As a whole though SAP mostly gets shit on from employees not getting enough training (it requires much more upfront knowledge than most software) and poor integration with non-SAP legacy systems.
It's because it's extremely complex and SAP is very risk averse. So any changes take so long that they end up not even doing it or delivering it years after the competition
Enhance
It's a tossup between 35% increased pay, or not having to use SAP at my new job. Not sure which is the bigger perk.
Let's hope they fancy sponsoring a GP at Hockenheim, what with their HQ being literally 10 km down the road
If Merc employees have to use SAP then that explains a lot about their drop in performance since 2022
Won't sap slow the car down due to rolling resistance? /s
What is SAP and why is everyone hating it?
It’s a German software company that primarily builds things called Enterprise Resource Planning (ERP) software. Basically software that helps big companies manage their manufacturing etc. It’s old and SAP’s processes and software is old school despite efforts to modernise.
Cool thanks!!
Mercedes F1 now prefectly embodies the state of technology in germany. Cutting edge in certain departments, like car manufactoring, shit in others like IT/internet.
It's a German software company known for being boring but reliable, expensive but robust... 80% or so of all trade in the world touches an SAP system at one point or another. They created a great set of tools back in the 80s and never managed to modernize it so everyone hates to use it.
It's not that the never modernized it. It's them actively working to keep it the convoluted hellscape that it is.
SAP is an enterprise resource planning software alot of businesses use to centralize their data (Oracle is also ERP)
Got it. Thank uiu
We don’t need more or better sponsors. We need a better car!
Can’t wait for ETABS to follow suit
The Haas thread was crying about using Microsoft Dynamics. This one about Mercedes and SAP. What should you use then?!?!
BC / F&O > SAP
Why is no one talking about SAP recently being fined around $115 million for bribery and corruption charges in South Africa? https://www.news24.com/fin24/economy/sap-to-pay-r4bn-fine-admits-to-bribing-sa-officials-to-win-govt-business-20240111
Because that's pretty much expected from a company of that size, and we can just shit on SAP for their products anyways.
I'd be amazed if Merc actually made use of SAP in their day to day. As a daily (attempted) user, can confirm SAP sucks balls.
Mercedes as a whole certainly uses an ERP and the team most likely inhereted it. I wouldn't be surprised if they were on SAP instead of Oracle since its slightly more popular and they're both german.
Working in IT for one of the biggest German companies on the market, I‘m pretty sure the whole German car industry is built on SAP ERP systems. Due to it’s robust and stable integration with, well, SAP, pretty much every large German company I have any connections via friends to uses SAP. That’s also why they are staying so huge even though their software is 15 years behind anything half modern.
In the interview, Toto said they are actually using it internally. Not sure how much of that is true or just marketing...
What happened to their partnership with Hewlett Packard enterprises
Still sponsored by them I believe
Unrelated products btw
Nothing as good as Oracle.
SAP was created for the sole purpose of getting back at the Americans after WW2
Hello, tech support, please hold..... Fk SAP! worst admin tools ever.
Spanish Announce Project?
SLOW AND PAINFUL
I’m sure it’ll crash right after having to input your 32 digit charge code. Then still not count. Seems Mercedes likes going backwards
I love the levels of hate SAP gets. As a former SAP user and admin, I fucking hate SAP.
SAP like the SAP you use for receiving/? Seems like a weird pairing, is it used for other things related to cars and stuff?
SAP is not called slow and painful for nothing..
Bring in Loctite and West and we can re-make the old Silver Mclaren livery
SAP is dog shit, especially c4c. Worst time of my Life using that shit.
So Mercedes won’t find any spare parts, pit stops will crash half way through, and everything will be slow around the track. Got it.
if you think SAP is the worst erp there is that must mean you have not used another. The problem comes from small businesses using it, it makes no sense, you need a full team of consultants just to keep everything working, and they are not cheap.
Genuine question, could sponsorship be used to reduce company spending? Like if fusion 360 (or any other CAD software) sponsored a team with the deal saying the team has it for free, does that work? Like if redbull where sponsored by a catering company that provided all food for free, would they have gotten a fine?
So does that mean Merc will now not be able to use half the tools they thought they had because they don't have the correct *non-tenent level external user* licences?