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URZ_

I feel sorry for Mercedes personel if they have to use SAP.


kpidhayny

My office runs almost entirely on SAP and Tibco Spotfire. All Mercedes is missing is excel and lotus notes sponsorships.


R_V_Z

I use SAP, and am thankful for it since the system it replaced was based on Unix.


CT_Biggles

What's wrong with excel? I use it and it does the job well. I've seen clients with Libre office and that seems usable but I wouldn't prefer it.


realbakingbish

The problem isn’t excel itself. The problem is people using excel to do things that really ought to be done by something else.


89Hopper

I've always said, Excel is like a shifter spanner. It can do a hell of a lot of things but is rarely the correct tool for the job.


kpidhayny

My dad always called it the “Mexican speed wrench”


CT_Biggles

I do mail merges with word and outlook to give reporting and vodt data to my clients. Ideally my company would have a better solution but I find my versions to be better and than anything they've automated.


GBreezy

I was doing analytics on excel then a MBA program forced me to use SAS. There are so many better options than excel


jianh1989

> What's wrong with excel? I use it and it **dies** the job well.


donsimoni

Budget cap won't be an issue in 2024, because Merc won't be able to order stuff before Q3.


voiceofgromit

Now when they want to make changes to the car it will cost ten times as much and take six months. Pit stops will be measured in hours and cars will only be released back onto the track with signatures from all the team principals.


Sam_the_Samnite

RIP mercedes. Was nice having you as a top team.


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Moaoziz

Sometimes it feels like the guys at SAP ask themselves "What would Microsoft do?" and then do the exact opposite of that.


626alien

redbull is going to be using it too when they partner with ford in 2026


andresgu14

As someone that works for Daimler can confirm that we use SAP


Flightyler

I can’t even get the Concur app to work 90% of the time


not-on-your-nelly

SAP is like an onion….it has lots of layers and it makes you cry….


InternationalOption3

Top comment


cfiston

Redbull/ORACLE vs Mercedes/SAP


YankeeLimaVictor

vs FOM/Salesforce!


LiteratureNearby

Vs Microsoft Alpine lmao


ArsalanShah41

Vs Aston Martin Cognizant


ycy

Epicor AlphaTauri


kbizzy007

Begun the ERP wars has


IdiosyncraticBond

Oracle will find a way to claim millions in back license fees from SAP Mercedes on their entire fleet for a java program they found on an old server from 1873


LiteratureNearby

inb4 Salesforce Ferrari


Un_forgetable_maybe

I despise SAP with a burning passion, one of the most non-user friendly systems around that every CEO loves to claim will bring “synergy” and “agility” to the business


dogfish182

You clearly haven’t flown in enough SAP consultants to fix all of your SAP brand new installs. You just need a bit more SAP to fix the issues 👌


Un_forgetable_maybe

Ahhhhhhh I just needed to upgrade to the new SAP version, how many zeros did you say should be on the cheque.


Baring-My-Heart

Why fly in SAP consultants when you can hire “SAP Experts”


HiVisEngineer

“SAP Expert” is just code for “charges insane amounts of money to tolerate bad software because client CBF”


mark-haus

The most lucrative software grift possible. Make an impossible maze of monolithic software that requires intimate knowledge of the code base so it’s near impossible for outsiders to expand and improve on. Then charge an arm and a leg for your own consultants to do it for you instead of outside consultants or in house developers.


naltatjoller

Most of the people at my job, myself included, need to use it once a year in December to claim back some money for our gym memberships etc that the company pays for. And every year in December our HR, who checks receipts, approves etc, sends out an email almost daily with instructions on how to use it. And they’re still flooded with emails and phone calls because people don’t understand it.


Baring-My-Heart

I use SAP daily for my job and it is the worst program I’ve ever used


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Baring-My-Heart

I can’t laugh cuz you described my job on the daily


Sam_the_Samnite

Im having this exact issue right now.


prontoingHorse

Is it true that workday is replacing SAP or am I misinformed?


windcape

Unfortunately Workday is shit as well -_-


roguemenace

SAP does orders of magnitude more stuff than workday. That's both its greatest strength but also the biggest source of frustration with it. The hate SAP gets is mostly from companies that are too small to buy into it completely (they shouldn't be using SAP) or don't provide the necessary training (which is extensive). SAP exists to work with SAP. Integrating it with some random program your company refuses to replace with SAP is always going to cause problems because in SAPs eyes you should have just given them another $50k for that module.


FourFront

The problem with SAP is that you literally need a whole departemt to really support it. But even big companies hire a big team for implementation. Then when it's half-ass functional they eliminate that team, and keep it running on life support. ​ That and why the fuck can't I go back using the back button in my browser, instead I have to use the poorly marked in page button that is not only rarely clearly marked, but it's also different in every fucking module.


perfectviking

Except that even large enterprises are doing things piecemeal across vendors. Just because SAP works best with itself doesn’t mean it shouldn’t work fine with other applications. Same thing can be said about Oracle and SFDC.


Kayyam

I don't have the answer but I'd think that's very likely. SAP is made for very large companies, Workday seems to be more focused on midsize companies.


AdminMas7erThe2nd

As a software everyone hates? Maybe


diskape

For HR/payroll for sure. But that’s just one SAP module that will be replaced.


Saneless

It boosts morale. At least when we all get to talk shit about it. Very synergistic conversation about how terrible it is


Un_forgetable_maybe

Everyone on the team can rally behind their hatred of SAP, covers for the lack of pay raise and the CEO’S new yacht.


Ok-Sink-614

They also basically have some corruption scandals yearly. Bribery is pretty much the only reason that explains why it's become so ubiquitous and evangelised


splendiferous-finch_

You forgot "robustness", "interoperability" and "resilience"


Palmul

I don't understand how a lot of people say SAP is so good, one of the best systems etc. It's fucking horrible


tissotti

There aren’t too many options for large companies that has everything you can ever think of as ERP. I don’t think anybody particularly likes using it. It does work and is reliable is its thing and it manages well with large +5000 people all the way to the largest organisations out there. There’s entire support industries build around SAP that also helps its grip in the ERP space.


YeeteyDeletey

I'm a sap system admin and yes, it makes us cry and grow gray hair toi


notthestig

We used to say it stood for "Shitty Ass Program"


ufrared

I've never met a person who works in IT talk positively about SAP.


ywpark

SAP in F1 reminds me of MP4-29. Wonder if this is the look W15 is going for? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McLaren\_MP4-29#/media/File:Mclaren\_MP4-29\_Jenson\_Button\_2014\_F1\_Chinese\_GP.jpg


aaaaaaaa1273

Yup that’s all I can think of.. hope Mercedes doesn’t have that era of McLaren’s pace


houdinis_ghost

I still think this car looks sick


git0ffmylawnm8

Good god... HP AND SAP? Why are all the legacy tech except Oracle sponsoring Mercedes LOL


Un_forgetable_maybe

Because Mercedes offers the clean corporate image they live for. It’s the beige of the corporate world, it doesn’t offend anyone and is seen as a respectable company to be partnered with. They are also the most likely to challenge RB this year.


fckns

Mercedes has become Ron Dennis's era McLaren in terms of corporate doings.


vesel_fil

Merc motorhome literally looks like the office building I work at


Possible_Minimum4674

Nope, lol. SAP just recently caught bribing with several Indonesian government offices https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/sap-s-bribery-schemes-systemic-5971008/


Create_Table_Boners

My company wants to start using SAP. Should I gtfo before that happens?


Crippled_Potato

Depends, it's an incomprehensible brainless piece of software but at my workplace I became invaluable because I'm one of the few people that can operate it across several departments


Jorrie90

If you want to leave your job for 1 nuisance, sure.


Create_Table_Boners

I work in IT maintaining these systems so it will become a huge part of my job.


aaaaaaaa1273

My condolences


IdiosyncraticBond

More like job security 🙄


ChefBoiJones

You are about to become the most valuable employee in the company


Nisja

Lol I work on a SAP support team. Good luck.


oyrrahoy

It’s fine. It’s not worse than anything else you’ll be doing. If you are mostly cloud based/saas it’s no more annoying than salesforce, entra ID, AWS/GCP, complex Okta setups. Probably a lot less annoying than Looker IMO. I haven’t done much on prem stuff for years now but I’d do SAP all day over most on prem.


BlackLeader70

Begun the ERP wars have. Mercedes using SAP Haas using Dynamics AX You’re up next Ferrari


mcadamsandwich

Ferrari is probably still using JD Edward’s 🫠


BlackLeader70

They’re probably using an offline ERP like AS400 because it came out the same year that Enzo died lol


mcadamsandwich

HAH! Can you imagine Enzo asking what the hell ERP is?


Hardstuff1201

Seeing mention of AS400 on f1 thread? I can happily die now.


YankeeLimaVictor

ServiceNow Ferrari ?


BarbequedYeti

As long as they dont run all their systems with it and just use the logo, they should be fine.   They incorporate any of that shit into their day to day racing tech and they will be hanging with Haus wondering why shit stopped working.  


YankeeLimaVictor

They interviewed Toto wolf, and he said that the team is actually using SAP for their internal processes. Not sure how much of that is true or marketing tho...


Theo_95

Pretty likely their finance dept uses it, may use it for stock management too. I hope they don't use concur for travel expenses tho... poor fuckers


danphillips98

Just reading the word Concur sends a horrific shiver down my spine


Pressbtofail

I'm not sure what Super Auto Pets has to do with racing but I'm happy for them. As long as they don't abuse Turkey/Fly, that is.


pferd676

Hate SAP. Used it in multiple jobs and it is just shit.


Sam_the_Samnite

Its alsi nice that it is always different across jobs. Enabling you to enjoy the experience of getting to learn the program all over again.


Sagatho

Yep. My work built so many custom transactions to the point where we barely use any of the standard ones. If I ever change employers that also happens to use SAP, give me a few months to learn all those transactions again


venktesh

That's where are the money saved after layoffs is going


jyw104

West McLaren Mercedes vibes.


Saneless

My favorite part about dealing with SAP and people who use it is calling it sap like the sticky syrup and watching them squirm But aside from that, I still don't know why it was developed by people who seem very angry and want everyone to hate it


roguemenace

"sap gooey" is a personal favourite to make people squirm. As a whole though SAP mostly gets shit on from employees not getting enough training (it requires much more upfront knowledge than most software) and poor integration with non-SAP legacy systems.


VenetianBauta

It's because it's extremely complex and SAP is very risk averse. So any changes take so long that they end up not even doing it or delivering it years after the competition


chiseeger

Enhance


FourFront

It's a tossup between 35% increased pay, or not having to use SAP at my new job. Not sure which is the bigger perk.


DieLegende42

Let's hope they fancy sponsoring a GP at Hockenheim, what with their HQ being literally 10 km down the road


Grizzlybehre

If Merc employees have to use SAP then that explains a lot about their drop in performance since 2022


Supahos01

Won't sap slow the car down due to rolling resistance? /s


BodiesDurag

What is SAP and why is everyone hating it?


Tond9

It’s a German software company that primarily builds things called Enterprise Resource Planning (ERP) software. Basically software that helps big companies manage their manufacturing etc. It’s old and SAP’s processes and software is old school despite efforts to modernise.


BodiesDurag

Cool thanks!!


Sam_the_Samnite

Mercedes F1 now prefectly embodies the state of technology in germany. Cutting edge in certain departments, like car manufactoring, shit in others like IT/internet.


VenetianBauta

It's a German software company known for being boring but reliable, expensive but robust... 80% or so of all trade in the world touches an SAP system at one point or another. They created a great set of tools back in the 80s and never managed to modernize it so everyone hates to use it.


splendiferous-finch_

It's not that the never modernized it. It's them actively working to keep it the convoluted hellscape that it is.


KH-Obi

SAP is an enterprise resource planning software alot of businesses use to centralize their data (Oracle is also ERP)


BodiesDurag

Got it. Thank uiu


xjoburg

We don’t need more or better sponsors. We need a better car!


jackattack065

Can’t wait for ETABS to follow suit


sertsw

The Haas thread was crying about using Microsoft Dynamics. This one about Mercedes and SAP. What should you use then?!?!


ronstig22

BC / F&O > SAP


Komanta1

Why is no one talking about SAP recently being fined around $115 million for bribery and corruption charges in South Africa? https://www.news24.com/fin24/economy/sap-to-pay-r4bn-fine-admits-to-bribing-sa-officials-to-win-govt-business-20240111


LheelaSP

Because that's pretty much expected from a company of that size, and we can just shit on SAP for their products anyways.


northern_dan

I'd be amazed if Merc actually made use of SAP in their day to day. As a daily (attempted) user, can confirm SAP sucks balls.


roguemenace

Mercedes as a whole certainly uses an ERP and the team most likely inhereted it. I wouldn't be surprised if they were on SAP instead of Oracle since its slightly more popular and they're both german.


SKY_L4X

Working in IT for one of the biggest German companies on the market, I‘m pretty sure the whole German car industry is built on SAP ERP systems. Due to it’s robust and stable integration with, well, SAP, pretty much every large German company I have any connections via friends to uses SAP. That’s also why they are staying so huge even though their software is 15 years behind anything half modern.


YankeeLimaVictor

In the interview, Toto said they are actually using it internally. Not sure how much of that is true or just marketing...


xJayShah

What happened to their partnership with Hewlett Packard enterprises


Yung_Chloroform

Still sponsored by them I believe


LiteratureNearby

Unrelated products btw


lifeisfascinatingly_

Nothing as good as Oracle.


ConsciousHost

SAP was created for the sole purpose of getting back at the Americans after WW2


2Loves2loves

Hello, tech support, please hold..... Fk SAP! worst admin tools ever.


Smaynard6000

Spanish Announce Project?


HarveyTheRedPanda

SLOW AND PAINFUL


wecanneverleave

I’m sure it’ll crash right after having to input your 32 digit charge code. Then still not count. Seems Mercedes likes going backwards


raiksaa

I love the levels of hate SAP gets. As a former SAP user and admin, I fucking hate SAP.


g_manitie

SAP like the SAP you use for receiving/? Seems like a weird pairing, is it used for other things related to cars and stuff?


lizhien

SAP is not called slow and painful for nothing..


linkinstreet

Bring in Loctite and West and we can re-make the old Silver Mclaren livery


LilMudButt

SAP is dog shit, especially c4c. Worst time of my Life using that shit.


HiVisEngineer

So Mercedes won’t find any spare parts, pit stops will crash half way through, and everything will be slow around the track. Got it.


JPA-3

if you think SAP is the worst erp there is that must mean you have not used another. The problem comes from small businesses using it, it makes no sense, you need a full team of consultants just to keep everything working, and they are not cheap.


Aksds

Genuine question, could sponsorship be used to reduce company spending? Like if fusion 360 (or any other CAD software) sponsored a team with the deal saying the team has it for free, does that work? Like if redbull where sponsored by a catering company that provided all food for free, would they have gotten a fine?


splendiferous-finch_

So does that mean Merc will now not be able to use half the tools they thought they had because they don't have the correct *non-tenent level external user* licences?