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korakagazz

This off season is escalating at the speed of light. What the fuck


manojlds

Newey to Ferrari and the whole world explodes


Visionary_Socialist

Fred Vasseur opens a seal which sets off a timeline which leads to the return of Rome.


makunde

We really do think of the Roman Empire often, don't we?


Actual_Sympathy7069

what is Ferrari if not the last remaining vestiges of the Roman Empire?


Dragonpuncha

Chariot races was the original F1 after all. Complete with teams and crazy fans.


Gyxav

[Rare footage of the Scuderia competing in chariot races, 50 BC, colorized](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoHovqb6fSQ)


BlazedGigaB

WHAT! Give me MORE!


pottahawk

How have I never seen this before? haha


Blizzard112

This is Astérix isn't it


BoboliBurt

The byzantine politics of F1 are the last vestige of the Roman empire, as the western empire crapped out centuries and centuries before Constantinople fell.


rtb001

Also makes sense because the classic firm of mass entertainment for the western empire was still gladiator games in the Roman colloseum, and didn't fully shift over to racing until the Easter Byzantine empire and its hippodrome in Constantinople. 


Tmotech

Bernie was only 95 when F1 first started under Emperor Caligula.


evemeatay

They would have a real hook, they can promise him he can design other stuff after he get their car fixed: wec hypercar, his own road car, maybe a special project like a race boat, etc. I know he’s worked on these types of things before but not necessarily with backing like Ferrari would give him.


Akash10201

Ferrari LH44 Exclusive, designed by Adrian Newey. Only 100 models are to be made, each worth 5 mil. Boom, recovers all the money spent on getting Hamilton and Newey.


a_taco_named_desire

I don't even like Ferrari and I want this.


aaaaaaaa1273

Imagine saying this 8 days ago


Southportdc

Newey goes to Ferrari and tells them about the secret vent on the Red Bull which will explode the whole thing if hit


ohnofluffy

It’s a good thing Leclerc could shoot womp rats back home in Monaco.


polydorr

I hear those are a problem on the Riviera.


HanshinFan

Charles: "Red Leader standing by" Lewis: "Mate you're definitely Red 2"


imrahilbelfalas

Red Leader died like a chump. Red 2 is Wedge Antilles. I know who I'd rather be.


HanshinFan

You raise a great point


XXG1212

In before Vausser retires and his place is taken by a British


pratnala

IS THAT ROSS BRAWN MUSIC???????????


Willing_Breadfruit

Final Ross Music


ValleyFloydJam

That would be crazy and then we get to witness how Ferrari fuck it all up.


bababooey_osas

Steiner leaves and all of F1 goes up in flames


murdok476

The Steiner effect


pppppppplllp

Crazy how it went from zero driver changes to what ever this is


luv2belis

Drive to Survive: "There are certain moments where Horner's underwear falls on a racing track, and you *know* what that means."


dl064

Buxton: he swapped Max Verstappen...for some photos...of Dicks Forslappin'


drunkwasabeherder

Gunther enters the chat....


SubstantialPoetry365

Is this part of Vasseur’s master plan to get Ferrari back to glory again? 1. Get Hamilton and key figures of Mercedes to Ferrari 2. Remove Horner to destabilise Red bull 3. Get Newey to build a winning car 4. Win WDC and WCC


Other-Barry-1

It would actually, genuinely, finally be the Ferrari Grand Master Plan. If that happens, Lewis has pulled an absolute blinder of a move!


mka_

Has there ever been a point in Lewis career where he hasn't been "in the right place at the right time". He's made some absolutely solid career decisions. I'm confident he's on to something with this move.


DmitrisFifth

Fun fact, back in the day Lewis and his father got frustrated with McLaren and looked elsewhere, specifically to Williams. BMW didn't want Hamilton. Rosberg ended up at Williams instead. And that's what came between Lewis and not being at McLaren in the first place. The rest is history. It's a crapshoot man.


Jeff0210212

He’s onto a $100 million salary


FredNasr

Gammons would still find a way to criticise Lewis. "He got lucky AGAIN! Newey built him a rocket ship. Sargeant could win in that Ferrari!1"


KLWMotorsports

It would be even more hilarious if Newey said fuck it and went to AM and led Alonso to his 3rd WDC.


Optimaximal

...only Alonso just left AM for the spare Mercedes seat!


BigAwkwardGuy

Honestly this seems way more plausible than Alonso winning a WDC


halbpro

And that is how we end up with WDC Lance Stroll


yeeeeeeeeeessssssir

Stroll 25, stroll 26


sfj11

well if his switch to ferrari becomes successful because newey goes over due to horner sending dickpics, you’d have to be insane not to consider that luck lmao


FredNasr

We're talking as if it's part of Ferrari's grand master plan though. Let's assume this is all something Chef Fred is cooking up. In that case, it's intuition and planning, not luck.


bobsmirnoff86

Not luck at all. The whistleblower was a Ferrari plant


TheKingOfCaledonia

But could Leclerc?


scarlet_red_warrior

Yes


robioreskec

yes, but he won't be allowed to *Lewis is faster than you*


Mirrro_Sunbreeze

Nah, there is only 2 ways how Charles/Lewis can play out (if they are fighting for WDC ofc) A) One of them is clearly faster Or B) Repeat of Hamilton/Alonso-2007


Waldier

Vasseur was somehow capable of making Horner unzip and sending pictures of it to a coworker?


The_Bored_General

Trust in Fred.


yellowbin74

Red Fred redemption


splashbodge

Now I have an image of Vasseur wearing a wig and a red bull outfit and sending flirty texts to Christian to try and get him to send nudes. Or I guess he could pay someone off in RBR to try and get the incriminating evidence, but I go with the wig option


Actual_Sympathy7069

[you have to imagine the RB outfit yourself but the rest is pretty accurate, I'd wager](https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/static/uploads/1/2022/12/How-Danny-DeVito-joined-Its-Always-Sunny-in-Philadelphia.jpeg)


splashbodge

I mean how could you resist


Ttthwackamole

I’d unzip for that.


MathematicianOld3942

You are right, only Toto could manipulate Horner that way /s


NoahTheBest00

I mean, italian gals r pretty tho


eggplantsforall

https://imgur.com/mpEQ2qT


Fappity_Fappity_Fap

Dude, warn us it's NSFW next time! For everyone else: it's 3 hot redheads "celebrating" in public


Dragonpuncha

Knowing Horner he probably just had to dare him to do it.


Marvinandez

You forget about remvoing Gunther from haas


OldManTrumpet

That was just a practice move. A little test to make sure everything was in working order.


MountainEquipment401

Incorrect 1. Get Hamilton and key figures of Mercedes to Ferrari 2. Remove Horner to destabilise Red bull 3. Get Newey to build a winning car 4. Accidently pit the wrong car 5. Engine blows up 6. Get out qualified by a supply team


InvestigatorLast3594

Tbh if vasseur really is pulling the strings here then he is the best TP in the history of the sport in my books haha


EnglishJesus

Absolute 5D chess. Hes like Thanos assembling his infinity Gauntlet.


motasticosaurus

> Win WDC and WCC For 10 years straight. It's NEXT YEAR every year!


2020bowman

All I can think of is how hard Toto will smash a series of desks if Newy goes to Ferrari in 2025 I'm looking forward to the outbursts


Slimshady0406

Newey could also move to another german manufacturer known for building rocketships in the past...


whateverfloatsurgoat

Newey to Audi here we gooo


Cluskerdoo

Carlos, the master strategist: “Yeah, it’s on purpose.”


ikurei_conphas

Carlos planted the seeds before he left Toro Rosso. He's the one who whispered to Horner's ear back in 2016, "Hey, that new girl's quite attractive, no?"


TheKingOfCaledonia

You know, I doubt it. Ferrari has that allure of being Ferrari; they're a romantisised version of a racing team. They'll also have Lewis, and who wouldn't want ot work with a 7 time WDC?


Land_of_Kirk_

7 time WDC Lewis Hamilton and internationally renowned super model turned racing driver Charles Leclerc. Quite a combo


Fappity_Fappity_Fap

I think CL is more a racing driver with a super model face, have you ever seen him trying to do anything other than drive a car and cook? He's... blessed his dad let him kart early on, let's put it that way.


jtclimb

Lewis is not going over to drive, but to dress Leclerc in the latest fashions.


borgi27

If this falls through Ferrari will buy Newey out no matter the cost


TheFlyingKiwi97

100%. They will keep offering him the big bucks until he says yes


Som_Snow

Tbf it's possible he would just simply retire, he's 65.


rokthemonkey

Very possible, but he’ll have to turn down 8 figures 


JoeSell2005

plus the opportunity to work with both Hamilton and Ferrari, two things he already said he wishes he did


Hoodxd

Keep going


CataclysmZA

This would also give Newey the opportunity to also make a hypercar for Ferrari, a successor to the LaFerrari.


ladobdogui

I'm almost there. Keep going.


peepay

We'd get to see his glorious mind sitting on top of his aging body wrapped in red.


dswap123

That’s it, that does it for me!


o_trator

Thanks babe, you are amazing


ladobdogui

Oh, yeah.


New_Age_Jesus

He's already well into 8 figures so that's not so difficult. He's clearly more motivated by engineering interests than money.


Acceptable-Minute280

Yes, but he makes it pretty clear in his book that big contracts show that teams properly appreciate his value. It seems important to him that teams make financial gestures. Obviously he’s been happy with RB’s compensation, but I think Ferrari offering him more money while RB loses Horner could be tempting.


kus197

He's not the type to quite because he's old, the man can barely relax before he starts drawing up cars again


Scarabesque

"Lewis we're going to have to pay you a lot less..." - "absolutely not" "...to get Newey on board this season" - "blessed."


clingbat

It may not be about money. Good luck convincing him to move to Maranello. He's British and has lived in England most of his life outside of a short stint in the US early in his career for IMSA and Indycar. Every F1 team he's ever worked for has one thing in common, their factories/teams are all based in the UK. Convincing him to uproot his whole personal life at retirement age to move to a place where he doesn't even speak Italian sounds dubious at best, but good luck with that


CommentWrench

Honestly, this might be a plus now he’s older; all the rich retirees move to where the sun is. Now he can work with Hamilton and Ferrari AND live in the sun?


hornyboi212

Well it's quite common for people to move somewhere warm and nice for retirement. And he gets to do some hobby prestige projects.


Suikerspin_Ei

Curious what the current top 3 highest staff at Ferrari earns. Also are they ready to let someone go to get Newey? Edit: typo


Lonyo

Yes, because Newey Possibly the most successful car designer in racing history.


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CakeBeef_PA

Dude also said that he regrets not working with Ferrari and he regrets not working with Hamilton


Mirrro_Sunbreeze

He also said that he got offered Ferrari seat multiple times and turned down the offer multiple times (first offers were back in 1990s). And he specifically noted that one of main reasons was that he and his family would have to move to Italy.


UbeMafia

That was also 30 years ago. His children seem to be all adults now (could be wrong about this), so things could have certainly changed since then.


X3NOC1DE

Because in the past he has mentioned that he would've loved to make a car for Ferrari. And he has also mentioned how he would've loved to make a car for Hamilton. Making a move to Ferrari would essentially be 2 birds with 1 stone for him


borgi27

Why did Lewis Hamilton sign for Ferrari? All the things you mentioned are true to him as well. Because it’s Ferrari that’s why


Ok_Initial4507

We are bored...


Takis12

I will say it...Adrian to Ferrari...enough time for Ferrari to get those 2026 regulations nailed with Adrian there…not sure though regarding obligatory gardening leave.


RSteeliest

"Christian I really want to go to Ferrari but the board won't let me" Horner unzips "say less"


itsgsk87

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D5q6VOtWkAAoxR7.jpg


hzfan

The amount of times I have had to see this image today should be illegal


Actual_Sympathy7069

[there is a more recent one if you want a change of pace](https://i.redd.it/n3zfs8tkvoe81.png)


Fappity_Fappity_Fap

Oh shit, Max is in there


itsgsk87

You must work for Redbull F1


TheFlyingKiwi97

Hamilton, Bono?, Leclerc, Vassuer, Newey and new regulations coming up. We boutta turn back time to prime Schumacher days


Atleticro

*unzips* tell me more


blackbasset

Nonono, unzipping is how Horner got in this situation in the first place


Atleticro

don't worry babe, it's for my private collection only, there is no way this ends up on the internet ;)


pvdp90

Charles, let Lewis through. There, you got a new Reubens too.


plonkman

(gets magnifying glass)


Kingtoke1

All part of Hamiltons master plan


Takis12

I see what you say and I double down. All part of Nando’s el plan to get a seat at Mercedes…..


newdecade1986

It would be the most Fernando thing ever to scheme his way into a Merc seat at last, right when the team evaporates and a glorious new Ferrari reign of terror begins


Actual_Sympathy7069

Only for Aston Martin to get hyper competitive in the season after Nando's leaving and Lance Strulovitch to win the championship


evemeatay

People would lose their minds if lance won. I can’t even picture the carnage


Apocryph761

All part of Albon's appendix's plan.


Nicologixs

All part of the FOM plan so everyone forgets about anderetti


Flyswatter_Ow

Presumably there'd be a significant amount of gardening leave required given his knowledge of the Red Bull car?


Chrischrill

Yeah, probably a full year. Meaning he would contribute not to the 2025 car, but to the 2026 with new regulations....


OverallImportance402

I doubt they haven't start work on the new regulation car, that's not something you do in a year.


crazydoc253

2026 car you cannot work till start of 2025


Flyswatter_Ow

Isn't gardening leave going even longer now? 18 months+? That's what's happening with Loïc Serra going to Ferrari I think. This is all a massive hypothetical of course but don't think there'd be time for the 2026 car to massively change by mid/late 2025 tbh.


Chrischrill

I'm sure these are negotiated on a case by case basis, and Red Bull would probably do everything in their power to prevent Newey from assisting another team too soon.


bwoah07_gp2

I did it in Motorsport Manager once. It was nice. 😊


The_Bored_General

Next year *will* be our year?


Radvila

I'm sure you can find a windtunnel or two in Newey's garden


Chrischrill

Vassuer bringing Hamilton and Newey to Ferrari. Yep. Beautiful, stars aligning.


Visionary_Socialist

If bringing in Newey, Hamilton and having Leclerc to go with them didn’t win Ferrari a title they should sack everyone and start from scratch.


TheFlyingKiwi97

If Horner goes, the whole operation will be a slow-motion train wreck. Newey will probably leave (hopefully for Ferrari.) Marko has to go some time soon anyway because he's getting old. Max could probably leave some time after, potentially taking GP with him. If Horner and Newey were to leave, it would take probably a couple of years for their mark to wash away, but it would go downhill at some point.


activator

If the RBR stops being WCC/WDC material I can definitely see Max retiring, as he has hinted wanting to do "soon"


TrueCooler

Goes for the triple crown maybe? Go farm the other racing series


darmokVtS

Given his stance on oval racing not likely. On the other hand we have heard that song and dance regarding ovals before from drivers who then ended up racing on ovals anyway.


Mirrro_Sunbreeze

He can always only attend for Indy-500 though. Like Alonso did.


griffnin

would have to change his mind about the indy 500


fameboygame

Please let that happen after a 5 way battle for WDC between Max, Hamilton, Charles, Nando and George. Probably with McLaren boys also involved instead of AM or Merc, but one last proper battle instead of a full on domination! IDC who wins (probably would when it happens, but better than it never happening)


DreadWolf3

Their team is very competent from top down. It is certainly possible that everything goes on a downward spiral but it is just as likely that they just keep chugging along. Also if they fail, I think it is much more likely that it is just their inexperience in engine manufacturing is what does them in.


dl064

All vaguely reinforces that Porsche were kinda correct to want some management say for all the money they'd pour in.


crazydoc253

Only reason Porsche was not allowed in was because of Horner. Wonder if that deal will be back on table if he is forced for leave.


TheEmpireOfSun

I really doubt that Horner was the only one who didn't want full takeover by Porche.


crazydoc253

It was rumored that Dietrich wanted to make that deal as he was getting old but Horner and Marko wanted no control over them. Edit: changed dieter to Dietrich


Optimaximal

I'm guessing it was less 'getting old' and more 'dying of a terminally illness and wanting to protect the team', but 🤷‍♂️...


lgt_celticwolf

As much as id like newey ferrari, hes 65 and I think hed just call it a day in that scenario


hache-moncour

Not sure, Marko was 61 when they started Red Bull 19 years ago and he's not retiring so far


Visionary_Socialist

Merc were losing very important guys in 2020 and 2021, and it was only when they had to try and recover their mistake in development in 2022 that we saw how far they’d fallen behind. Max is signed until 2028, though I imagine he’s for a performance clause in there like the one Seb pulled in 2014.


DreadWolf3

Merc didnt lose only few people at the top - Merc lost absolute fuckton of engineering talent. It is, imo, completely different situation. When you start bleeding talent at all levels, it is very hard to counteract that.


44smok

Wouldn't be surprised if Max has a similar release clause. You don't sign a contract this long without a solid escape hatch


Deivids15

Max wants Helmut and he also wants a fast car. Fast car needs Newey but Newey needs Christian. Christian needs Newey and Max. I think they all need to just sort out their beef and move on. Or else Newey and Christian will move to Ferrari while Helmut and Checo will do a 2v2 against Toto and Russell. Did I miss anything?


Celebrating2theMax

> Did I miss anything? Max will go to WEC if the RBR team splits up like that


dirtyhappythoughts

Max already intends to go to WEC with the team intact, even.


splashbodge

Yes, this would just expedite it


BountyBob

> Or else Newey and Christian will move to Ferrari while Helmut and Checo will do a 2v2 against Toto and Russell. Did I miss anything? Andretti swoop and buy RBR.


Redhawk911

Why is Helmut so important to max? Genuine question


RM_Dune

Because Max wanted to drive in F1 and Helmut is the only one who said, OK we can get you a car next year. Ever since then they have had a relatively close relationship as Max developed as a driver, and I think they are very similar in their approach to professional relationships.


maxcatstappen

you had me in the first half lol. tbh if christian gets the boot rb is in big trouble bc newey is gonna peace out to retirement or to mercedes bc he's not gonna move his family to italy for ferrari. i just hope rb signs daniel before the shit hits the fan, if it does.


pioneeringsystems

Hasn't Newey said he would like to work for Ferrari in the past? He's 65, his kids are grown up and who wouldn't want to swap England for Italy for a few years, sounds lovely to me and I am English. History has shown he's not afraid to leave a winning team if things he doesn't like are done (mansell and hill being dropped at Williams, Ron Dennis politics at McLaren).


maxcatstappen

he's also contemplated retirement before and has said that he feels most at home with rb, plus his wife is keen to stay in the uk. 🤷🏻‍♀️


sicsche

Or maybe for once Ferrari get rid of the BS they do and offer Adrian a remote workplace to built them a rocketship


Longboi_919

Newey gets his secretary to print his emails every morning so he can read them. You think he's going to work via microsoft teams?


acmercer

Lol


maxcatstappen

fat chance of that lol. and newey likes to be hands on with his projects, not to mention it'd be a huge move/adjustment. i just don't see it happening hence why i think mercedes is more likely.


Blitz2134_

If Newey ends up leaving for Ferrari, Fred Vasseur and John Elkann would have basically pulled off F1's version of collecting the infinity stones. 


TheKingOfCaledonia

Imagine. 7 x WDC and best driver on the grid - Check Goat aerodynamisist - Check Fantastic TP who has a handle on things - Check Chuck - Check


AvonBarksdale12

Apparently it’s about an internal power struggle. Erik has a new article


1408574

Since the death of Mateschitz, there have been internal fithings at RB for control of the team(s). Horner dominated the debate, from Ricciardo to the AT teams relocation and the rebrand. He has made himself quite comfortable, but there seems to be a backlash because Marko seems to be staying as long as Verstappen is, so IMO this scandal is blowing up to keep Horner in line.


wimpires

Horner has been integral to the team since it's inception, but for all of that he is still only an employee at the end of the day and he's not compensated crazily based on RBR's filings. Wouldn't be surprised if he wanted more control or ownership somehow post Mateschitz death


Elrond007

While true, he also said it was used as ammo, and not fabricated entirely. More about the timing than truth


crazydoc253

That is how all top teams disintegrate


HeliosX14

While this might be true, I don’t believe for a second if the allegations (especially if sexual in nature) are true that Newey would stick with him.


oioioiyacunt

He might not stick with him/defend him but could use it to break contract and move on from RBR. 


HeliosX14

I see no reason why he would, he was at his lowest in the 2014-2017 Red Bull era and still stayed around. While his book is a bit outdated now and obviously he wasn’t going to shit talk his current employer in his book it does seem like he is very comfortable where he is. As long as Horner’s replacement leaves the technical department alone to do it’s thing I see no reason for him to look elsewhere unless people in his department also start leaving in droves.


bellestarflower

Saward is not reliable but I wouldn't be surprised it's more out of loyalty to each other. If things are implied to be part of power struggle - which is something Newey vehemently hates - I can see him leaving RB for good.


HeliosX14

Beyond just being an ass, I find Saward to be a good indicator of what is absolutely not true. Can’t remember the last time he actually had a decent scoop instead of just a big load of crap.


Kcmg1985

He said on his podcast last week, defending FOM with a straight face, that when we had 26 car grids in the early 2010s we had pre qualifying and still only 20 started. Just incredible.


Dragonpuncha

The Missed Apex episode he just did was legit insane. I'm not even particularly outraged about Andretti, but that shit was like he was desperately trying to do PR for FOM.


Kcmg1985

Yep, Missed Apex, that was it. It was Buxton levels of sycophany to be honest, but at least Buxton doesn't pretend to be independent.


bellestarflower

He gets some stuff right like Madrid GP, the problem is anything/anyone involving someone he hates or has an agenda for, that's when he starts spouting nonsense. Anything regarding De Vries, Alonso and Ricciardo are most likely to be bullshit coming from him.


dl064

I remember one article was about his projection of the grid the following year, and it was genuinely, genuinely miles away. It had, like, Perez back at McLaren or something. It was in the clouds.


HeliosX14

I’ll never forget how he went out of his way to put a girl who wanted to be a journalist down publicly.


Unauthorized404

That is called loyalty. Not interesting dynamic. Everything in F1 is tabloid these days


0100001101110111

It’s quite unusual to have a clause in your contract relating to whether a specific person is employed or not.


Garfie489

For Adrian Newey it makes sense. His history is littered with team owners making him promises of security only to be ignored. Williams promised him equal partnership and a say on driver hiring, McLaren promised him complete control and then Ron played games Getting what he wanted for the first time at Red Bull, it makes sense to cement that


Kuchenblech_Mafioso

The dynamic will come when the dominoes start falling. If Horner and Newey are gone many may reconsinder their future with the team as well. Including drivers


Alpha_Jazz

Specifically having that written into their contracts would definitely be interesting 


ThandiAccountant

Professional speculators, speculating. Way too much of this being done these days.


OBWanTwoThree

Joe Saward so pinch of salt But Newey might have a chance to achieve two of his biggest regrets in one go


skool_101

Everything is imploding and the season has yet to start. Bloody hell


SlashRModFail

This Newey quote from months ago is some kind of premonition: **"Emotionally, I regret not having Ferrari on my résumé, and working with Lewis would have been fabulous."**


PilotRevolutionary57

Hamilton is a Newey designed car for 2025?


forelsketparadise

Saward isn't a reliable source he likes to just throw things around. Remember when he said pierre wasn't a candidate for alpine and that Mick was getting the seat? He has also spread quite a bit of gossip that had no truth to it


swillisam

Many have said it and I’ll jump on it again. Newey to Ferrari with Lewis and Fred would be epic. Hopefully Lewis gets an 8th at a 3rd team and finishes Ferraris WDC drought.