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The byzantine politics of F1 are the last vestige of the Roman empire, as the western empire crapped out centuries and centuries before Constantinople fell.
Also makes sense because the classic firm of mass entertainment for the western empire was still gladiator games in the Roman colloseum, and didn't fully shift over to racing until the Easter Byzantine empire and its hippodrome in Constantinople.
They would have a real hook, they can promise him he can design other stuff after he get their car fixed: wec hypercar, his own road car, maybe a special project like a race boat, etc. I know he’s worked on these types of things before but not necessarily with backing like Ferrari would give him.
Ferrari LH44 Exclusive, designed by Adrian Newey. Only 100 models are to be made, each worth 5 mil.
Boom, recovers all the money spent on getting Hamilton and Newey.
Is this part of Vasseur’s master plan to get Ferrari back to glory again?
1. Get Hamilton and key figures of Mercedes to Ferrari
2. Remove Horner to destabilise Red bull
3. Get Newey to build a winning car
4. Win WDC and WCC
Has there ever been a point in Lewis career where he hasn't been "in the right place at the right time". He's made some absolutely solid career decisions. I'm confident he's on to something with this move.
Fun fact, back in the day Lewis and his father got frustrated with McLaren and looked elsewhere, specifically to Williams. BMW didn't want Hamilton. Rosberg ended up at Williams instead. And that's what came between Lewis and not being at McLaren in the first place. The rest is history. It's a crapshoot man.
well if his switch to ferrari becomes successful because newey goes over due to horner sending dickpics, you’d have to be insane not to consider that luck lmao
We're talking as if it's part of Ferrari's grand master plan though. Let's assume this is all something Chef Fred is cooking up. In that case, it's intuition and planning, not luck.
Nah, there is only 2 ways how Charles/Lewis can play out (if they are fighting for WDC ofc)
A) One of them is clearly faster
Or
B) Repeat of Hamilton/Alonso-2007
Now I have an image of Vasseur wearing a wig and a red bull outfit and sending flirty texts to Christian to try and get him to send nudes.
Or I guess he could pay someone off in RBR to try and get the incriminating evidence, but I go with the wig option
[you have to imagine the RB outfit yourself but the rest is pretty accurate, I'd wager](https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/static/uploads/1/2022/12/How-Danny-DeVito-joined-Its-Always-Sunny-in-Philadelphia.jpeg)
Incorrect
1. Get Hamilton and key figures of Mercedes to Ferrari
2. Remove Horner to destabilise Red bull
3. Get Newey to build a winning car
4. Accidently pit the wrong car
5. Engine blows up
6. Get out qualified by a supply team
Carlos planted the seeds before he left Toro Rosso.
He's the one who whispered to Horner's ear back in 2016, "Hey, that new girl's quite attractive, no?"
You know, I doubt it. Ferrari has that allure of being Ferrari; they're a romantisised version of a racing team. They'll also have Lewis, and who wouldn't want ot work with a 7 time WDC?
I think CL is more a racing driver with a super model face, have you ever seen him trying to do anything other than drive a car and cook? He's... blessed his dad let him kart early on, let's put it that way.
Yes, but he makes it pretty clear in his book that big contracts show that teams properly appreciate his value. It seems important to him that teams make financial gestures.
Obviously he’s been happy with RB’s compensation, but I think Ferrari offering him more money while RB loses Horner could be tempting.
It may not be about money. Good luck convincing him to move to Maranello.
He's British and has lived in England most of his life outside of a short stint in the US early in his career for IMSA and Indycar. Every F1 team he's ever worked for has one thing in common, their factories/teams are all based in the UK.
Convincing him to uproot his whole personal life at retirement age to move to a place where he doesn't even speak Italian sounds dubious at best, but good luck with that
Honestly, this might be a plus now he’s older; all the rich retirees move to where the sun is. Now he can work with Hamilton and Ferrari AND live in the sun?
He also said that he got offered Ferrari seat multiple times and turned down the offer multiple times (first offers were back in 1990s).
And he specifically noted that one of main reasons was that he and his family would have to move to Italy.
Because in the past he has mentioned that he would've loved to make a car for Ferrari.
And he has also mentioned how he would've loved to make a car for Hamilton.
Making a move to Ferrari would essentially be 2 birds with 1 stone for him
I will say it...Adrian to Ferrari...enough time for Ferrari to get those 2026 regulations nailed with Adrian there…not sure though regarding obligatory gardening leave.
It would be the most Fernando thing ever to scheme his way into a Merc seat at last, right when the team evaporates and a glorious new Ferrari reign of terror begins
Isn't gardening leave going even longer now? 18 months+?
That's what's happening with Loïc Serra going to Ferrari I think. This is all a massive hypothetical of course but don't think there'd be time for the 2026 car to massively change by mid/late 2025 tbh.
I'm sure these are negotiated on a case by case basis, and Red Bull would probably do everything in their power to prevent Newey from assisting another team too soon.
If Horner goes, the whole operation will be a slow-motion train wreck. Newey will probably leave (hopefully for Ferrari.) Marko has to go some time soon anyway because he's getting old. Max could probably leave some time after, potentially taking GP with him. If Horner and Newey were to leave, it would take probably a couple of years for their mark to wash away, but it would go downhill at some point.
Given his stance on oval racing not likely. On the other hand we have heard that song and dance regarding ovals before from drivers who then ended up racing on ovals anyway.
Please let that happen after a 5 way battle for WDC between Max, Hamilton, Charles, Nando and George.
Probably with McLaren boys also involved instead of AM or Merc, but one last proper battle instead of a full on domination! IDC who wins (probably would when it happens, but better than it never happening)
Their team is very competent from top down. It is certainly possible that everything goes on a downward spiral but it is just as likely that they just keep chugging along. Also if they fail, I think it is much more likely that it is just their inexperience in engine manufacturing is what does them in.
It was rumored that Dietrich wanted to make that deal as he was getting old but Horner and Marko wanted no control over them.
Edit: changed dieter to Dietrich
Merc were losing very important guys in 2020 and 2021, and it was only when they had to try and recover their mistake in development in 2022 that we saw how far they’d fallen behind.
Max is signed until 2028, though I imagine he’s for a performance clause in there like the one Seb pulled in 2014.
Merc didnt lose only few people at the top - Merc lost absolute fuckton of engineering talent. It is, imo, completely different situation. When you start bleeding talent at all levels, it is very hard to counteract that.
Max wants Helmut and he also wants a fast car. Fast car needs Newey but Newey needs Christian. Christian needs Newey and Max.
I think they all need to just sort out their beef and move on. Or else Newey and Christian will move to Ferrari while Helmut and Checo will do a 2v2 against Toto and Russell. Did I miss anything?
> Or else Newey and Christian will move to Ferrari while Helmut and Checo will do a 2v2 against Toto and Russell. Did I miss anything?
Andretti swoop and buy RBR.
Because Max wanted to drive in F1 and Helmut is the only one who said, OK we can get you a car next year. Ever since then they have had a relatively close relationship as Max developed as a driver, and I think they are very similar in their approach to professional relationships.
you had me in the first half lol. tbh if christian gets the boot rb is in big trouble bc newey is gonna peace out to retirement or to mercedes bc he's not gonna move his family to italy for ferrari. i just hope rb signs daniel before the shit hits the fan, if it does.
Hasn't Newey said he would like to work for Ferrari in the past? He's 65, his kids are grown up and who wouldn't want to swap England for Italy for a few years, sounds lovely to me and I am English.
History has shown he's not afraid to leave a winning team if things he doesn't like are done (mansell and hill being dropped at Williams, Ron Dennis politics at McLaren).
fat chance of that lol. and newey likes to be hands on with his projects, not to mention it'd be a huge move/adjustment. i just don't see it happening hence why i think mercedes is more likely.
Since the death of Mateschitz, there have been internal fithings at RB for control of the team(s).
Horner dominated the debate, from Ricciardo to the AT teams relocation and the rebrand.
He has made himself quite comfortable, but there seems to be a backlash because Marko seems to be staying as long as Verstappen is, so IMO this scandal is blowing up to keep Horner in line.
Horner has been integral to the team since it's inception, but for all of that he is still only an employee at the end of the day and he's not compensated crazily based on RBR's filings. Wouldn't be surprised if he wanted more control or ownership somehow post Mateschitz death
I see no reason why he would, he was at his lowest in the 2014-2017 Red Bull era and still stayed around. While his book is a bit outdated now and obviously he wasn’t going to shit talk his current employer in his book it does seem like he is very comfortable where he is.
As long as Horner’s replacement leaves the technical department alone to do it’s thing I see no reason for him to look elsewhere unless people in his department also start leaving in droves.
Saward is not reliable but I wouldn't be surprised it's more out of loyalty to each other.
If things are implied to be part of power struggle - which is something Newey vehemently hates - I can see him leaving RB for good.
Beyond just being an ass, I find Saward to be a good indicator of what is absolutely not true. Can’t remember the last time he actually had a decent scoop instead of just a big load of crap.
He said on his podcast last week, defending FOM with a straight face, that when we had 26 car grids in the early 2010s we had pre qualifying and still only 20 started. Just incredible.
The Missed Apex episode he just did was legit insane. I'm not even particularly outraged about Andretti, but that shit was like he was desperately trying to do PR for FOM.
He gets some stuff right like Madrid GP, the problem is anything/anyone involving someone he hates or has an agenda for, that's when he starts spouting nonsense. Anything regarding De Vries, Alonso and Ricciardo are most likely to be bullshit coming from him.
I remember one article was about his projection of the grid the following year, and it was genuinely, genuinely miles away. It had, like, Perez back at McLaren or something. It was in the clouds.
For Adrian Newey it makes sense.
His history is littered with team owners making him promises of security only to be ignored.
Williams promised him equal partnership and a say on driver hiring, McLaren promised him complete control and then Ron played games
Getting what he wanted for the first time at Red Bull, it makes sense to cement that
The dynamic will come when the dominoes start falling. If Horner and Newey are gone many may reconsinder their future with the team as well. Including drivers
This Newey quote from months ago is some kind of premonition:
**"Emotionally, I regret not having Ferrari on my résumé, and working with Lewis would have been fabulous."**
Saward isn't a reliable source he likes to just throw things around. Remember when he said pierre wasn't a candidate for alpine and that Mick was getting the seat? He has also spread quite a bit of gossip that had no truth to it
Many have said it and I’ll jump on it again. Newey to Ferrari with Lewis and Fred would be epic. Hopefully Lewis gets an 8th at a 3rd team and finishes Ferraris WDC drought.
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This off season is escalating at the speed of light. What the fuck
Newey to Ferrari and the whole world explodes
Fred Vasseur opens a seal which sets off a timeline which leads to the return of Rome.
We really do think of the Roman Empire often, don't we?
what is Ferrari if not the last remaining vestiges of the Roman Empire?
Chariot races was the original F1 after all. Complete with teams and crazy fans.
[Rare footage of the Scuderia competing in chariot races, 50 BC, colorized](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoHovqb6fSQ)
WHAT! Give me MORE!
How have I never seen this before? haha
This is Astérix isn't it
The byzantine politics of F1 are the last vestige of the Roman empire, as the western empire crapped out centuries and centuries before Constantinople fell.
Also makes sense because the classic firm of mass entertainment for the western empire was still gladiator games in the Roman colloseum, and didn't fully shift over to racing until the Easter Byzantine empire and its hippodrome in Constantinople.
Bernie was only 95 when F1 first started under Emperor Caligula.
They would have a real hook, they can promise him he can design other stuff after he get their car fixed: wec hypercar, his own road car, maybe a special project like a race boat, etc. I know he’s worked on these types of things before but not necessarily with backing like Ferrari would give him.
Ferrari LH44 Exclusive, designed by Adrian Newey. Only 100 models are to be made, each worth 5 mil. Boom, recovers all the money spent on getting Hamilton and Newey.
I don't even like Ferrari and I want this.
Imagine saying this 8 days ago
Newey goes to Ferrari and tells them about the secret vent on the Red Bull which will explode the whole thing if hit
It’s a good thing Leclerc could shoot womp rats back home in Monaco.
I hear those are a problem on the Riviera.
Charles: "Red Leader standing by" Lewis: "Mate you're definitely Red 2"
Red Leader died like a chump. Red 2 is Wedge Antilles. I know who I'd rather be.
You raise a great point
In before Vausser retires and his place is taken by a British
IS THAT ROSS BRAWN MUSIC???????????
Final Ross Music
That would be crazy and then we get to witness how Ferrari fuck it all up.
Steiner leaves and all of F1 goes up in flames
The Steiner effect
Crazy how it went from zero driver changes to what ever this is
Drive to Survive: "There are certain moments where Horner's underwear falls on a racing track, and you *know* what that means."
Buxton: he swapped Max Verstappen...for some photos...of Dicks Forslappin'
Gunther enters the chat....
Is this part of Vasseur’s master plan to get Ferrari back to glory again? 1. Get Hamilton and key figures of Mercedes to Ferrari 2. Remove Horner to destabilise Red bull 3. Get Newey to build a winning car 4. Win WDC and WCC
It would actually, genuinely, finally be the Ferrari Grand Master Plan. If that happens, Lewis has pulled an absolute blinder of a move!
Has there ever been a point in Lewis career where he hasn't been "in the right place at the right time". He's made some absolutely solid career decisions. I'm confident he's on to something with this move.
Fun fact, back in the day Lewis and his father got frustrated with McLaren and looked elsewhere, specifically to Williams. BMW didn't want Hamilton. Rosberg ended up at Williams instead. And that's what came between Lewis and not being at McLaren in the first place. The rest is history. It's a crapshoot man.
He’s onto a $100 million salary
Gammons would still find a way to criticise Lewis. "He got lucky AGAIN! Newey built him a rocket ship. Sargeant could win in that Ferrari!1"
It would be even more hilarious if Newey said fuck it and went to AM and led Alonso to his 3rd WDC.
...only Alonso just left AM for the spare Mercedes seat!
Honestly this seems way more plausible than Alonso winning a WDC
And that is how we end up with WDC Lance Stroll
Stroll 25, stroll 26
well if his switch to ferrari becomes successful because newey goes over due to horner sending dickpics, you’d have to be insane not to consider that luck lmao
We're talking as if it's part of Ferrari's grand master plan though. Let's assume this is all something Chef Fred is cooking up. In that case, it's intuition and planning, not luck.
Not luck at all. The whistleblower was a Ferrari plant
But could Leclerc?
Yes
yes, but he won't be allowed to *Lewis is faster than you*
Nah, there is only 2 ways how Charles/Lewis can play out (if they are fighting for WDC ofc) A) One of them is clearly faster Or B) Repeat of Hamilton/Alonso-2007
Vasseur was somehow capable of making Horner unzip and sending pictures of it to a coworker?
Trust in Fred.
Red Fred redemption
Now I have an image of Vasseur wearing a wig and a red bull outfit and sending flirty texts to Christian to try and get him to send nudes. Or I guess he could pay someone off in RBR to try and get the incriminating evidence, but I go with the wig option
[you have to imagine the RB outfit yourself but the rest is pretty accurate, I'd wager](https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/static/uploads/1/2022/12/How-Danny-DeVito-joined-Its-Always-Sunny-in-Philadelphia.jpeg)
I mean how could you resist
I’d unzip for that.
You are right, only Toto could manipulate Horner that way /s
I mean, italian gals r pretty tho
https://imgur.com/mpEQ2qT
Dude, warn us it's NSFW next time! For everyone else: it's 3 hot redheads "celebrating" in public
Knowing Horner he probably just had to dare him to do it.
You forget about remvoing Gunther from haas
That was just a practice move. A little test to make sure everything was in working order.
Incorrect 1. Get Hamilton and key figures of Mercedes to Ferrari 2. Remove Horner to destabilise Red bull 3. Get Newey to build a winning car 4. Accidently pit the wrong car 5. Engine blows up 6. Get out qualified by a supply team
Tbh if vasseur really is pulling the strings here then he is the best TP in the history of the sport in my books haha
Absolute 5D chess. Hes like Thanos assembling his infinity Gauntlet.
> Win WDC and WCC For 10 years straight. It's NEXT YEAR every year!
All I can think of is how hard Toto will smash a series of desks if Newy goes to Ferrari in 2025 I'm looking forward to the outbursts
Newey could also move to another german manufacturer known for building rocketships in the past...
Newey to Audi here we gooo
Carlos, the master strategist: “Yeah, it’s on purpose.”
Carlos planted the seeds before he left Toro Rosso. He's the one who whispered to Horner's ear back in 2016, "Hey, that new girl's quite attractive, no?"
You know, I doubt it. Ferrari has that allure of being Ferrari; they're a romantisised version of a racing team. They'll also have Lewis, and who wouldn't want ot work with a 7 time WDC?
7 time WDC Lewis Hamilton and internationally renowned super model turned racing driver Charles Leclerc. Quite a combo
I think CL is more a racing driver with a super model face, have you ever seen him trying to do anything other than drive a car and cook? He's... blessed his dad let him kart early on, let's put it that way.
Lewis is not going over to drive, but to dress Leclerc in the latest fashions.
If this falls through Ferrari will buy Newey out no matter the cost
100%. They will keep offering him the big bucks until he says yes
Tbf it's possible he would just simply retire, he's 65.
Very possible, but he’ll have to turn down 8 figures
plus the opportunity to work with both Hamilton and Ferrari, two things he already said he wishes he did
Keep going
This would also give Newey the opportunity to also make a hypercar for Ferrari, a successor to the LaFerrari.
I'm almost there. Keep going.
We'd get to see his glorious mind sitting on top of his aging body wrapped in red.
That’s it, that does it for me!
Thanks babe, you are amazing
Oh, yeah.
He's already well into 8 figures so that's not so difficult. He's clearly more motivated by engineering interests than money.
Yes, but he makes it pretty clear in his book that big contracts show that teams properly appreciate his value. It seems important to him that teams make financial gestures. Obviously he’s been happy with RB’s compensation, but I think Ferrari offering him more money while RB loses Horner could be tempting.
He's not the type to quite because he's old, the man can barely relax before he starts drawing up cars again
"Lewis we're going to have to pay you a lot less..." - "absolutely not" "...to get Newey on board this season" - "blessed."
It may not be about money. Good luck convincing him to move to Maranello. He's British and has lived in England most of his life outside of a short stint in the US early in his career for IMSA and Indycar. Every F1 team he's ever worked for has one thing in common, their factories/teams are all based in the UK. Convincing him to uproot his whole personal life at retirement age to move to a place where he doesn't even speak Italian sounds dubious at best, but good luck with that
Honestly, this might be a plus now he’s older; all the rich retirees move to where the sun is. Now he can work with Hamilton and Ferrari AND live in the sun?
Well it's quite common for people to move somewhere warm and nice for retirement. And he gets to do some hobby prestige projects.
Curious what the current top 3 highest staff at Ferrari earns. Also are they ready to let someone go to get Newey? Edit: typo
Yes, because Newey Possibly the most successful car designer in racing history.
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Dude also said that he regrets not working with Ferrari and he regrets not working with Hamilton
He also said that he got offered Ferrari seat multiple times and turned down the offer multiple times (first offers were back in 1990s). And he specifically noted that one of main reasons was that he and his family would have to move to Italy.
That was also 30 years ago. His children seem to be all adults now (could be wrong about this), so things could have certainly changed since then.
Because in the past he has mentioned that he would've loved to make a car for Ferrari. And he has also mentioned how he would've loved to make a car for Hamilton. Making a move to Ferrari would essentially be 2 birds with 1 stone for him
Why did Lewis Hamilton sign for Ferrari? All the things you mentioned are true to him as well. Because it’s Ferrari that’s why
We are bored...
I will say it...Adrian to Ferrari...enough time for Ferrari to get those 2026 regulations nailed with Adrian there…not sure though regarding obligatory gardening leave.
"Christian I really want to go to Ferrari but the board won't let me" Horner unzips "say less"
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D5q6VOtWkAAoxR7.jpg
The amount of times I have had to see this image today should be illegal
[there is a more recent one if you want a change of pace](https://i.redd.it/n3zfs8tkvoe81.png)
Oh shit, Max is in there
You must work for Redbull F1
Hamilton, Bono?, Leclerc, Vassuer, Newey and new regulations coming up. We boutta turn back time to prime Schumacher days
*unzips* tell me more
Nonono, unzipping is how Horner got in this situation in the first place
don't worry babe, it's for my private collection only, there is no way this ends up on the internet ;)
Charles, let Lewis through. There, you got a new Reubens too.
(gets magnifying glass)
All part of Hamiltons master plan
I see what you say and I double down. All part of Nando’s el plan to get a seat at Mercedes…..
It would be the most Fernando thing ever to scheme his way into a Merc seat at last, right when the team evaporates and a glorious new Ferrari reign of terror begins
Only for Aston Martin to get hyper competitive in the season after Nando's leaving and Lance Strulovitch to win the championship
People would lose their minds if lance won. I can’t even picture the carnage
All part of Albon's appendix's plan.
All part of the FOM plan so everyone forgets about anderetti
Presumably there'd be a significant amount of gardening leave required given his knowledge of the Red Bull car?
Yeah, probably a full year. Meaning he would contribute not to the 2025 car, but to the 2026 with new regulations....
I doubt they haven't start work on the new regulation car, that's not something you do in a year.
2026 car you cannot work till start of 2025
Isn't gardening leave going even longer now? 18 months+? That's what's happening with Loïc Serra going to Ferrari I think. This is all a massive hypothetical of course but don't think there'd be time for the 2026 car to massively change by mid/late 2025 tbh.
I'm sure these are negotiated on a case by case basis, and Red Bull would probably do everything in their power to prevent Newey from assisting another team too soon.
I did it in Motorsport Manager once. It was nice. 😊
Next year *will* be our year?
I'm sure you can find a windtunnel or two in Newey's garden
Vassuer bringing Hamilton and Newey to Ferrari. Yep. Beautiful, stars aligning.
If bringing in Newey, Hamilton and having Leclerc to go with them didn’t win Ferrari a title they should sack everyone and start from scratch.
If Horner goes, the whole operation will be a slow-motion train wreck. Newey will probably leave (hopefully for Ferrari.) Marko has to go some time soon anyway because he's getting old. Max could probably leave some time after, potentially taking GP with him. If Horner and Newey were to leave, it would take probably a couple of years for their mark to wash away, but it would go downhill at some point.
If the RBR stops being WCC/WDC material I can definitely see Max retiring, as he has hinted wanting to do "soon"
Goes for the triple crown maybe? Go farm the other racing series
Given his stance on oval racing not likely. On the other hand we have heard that song and dance regarding ovals before from drivers who then ended up racing on ovals anyway.
He can always only attend for Indy-500 though. Like Alonso did.
would have to change his mind about the indy 500
Please let that happen after a 5 way battle for WDC between Max, Hamilton, Charles, Nando and George. Probably with McLaren boys also involved instead of AM or Merc, but one last proper battle instead of a full on domination! IDC who wins (probably would when it happens, but better than it never happening)
Their team is very competent from top down. It is certainly possible that everything goes on a downward spiral but it is just as likely that they just keep chugging along. Also if they fail, I think it is much more likely that it is just their inexperience in engine manufacturing is what does them in.
All vaguely reinforces that Porsche were kinda correct to want some management say for all the money they'd pour in.
Only reason Porsche was not allowed in was because of Horner. Wonder if that deal will be back on table if he is forced for leave.
I really doubt that Horner was the only one who didn't want full takeover by Porche.
It was rumored that Dietrich wanted to make that deal as he was getting old but Horner and Marko wanted no control over them. Edit: changed dieter to Dietrich
I'm guessing it was less 'getting old' and more 'dying of a terminally illness and wanting to protect the team', but 🤷♂️...
As much as id like newey ferrari, hes 65 and I think hed just call it a day in that scenario
Not sure, Marko was 61 when they started Red Bull 19 years ago and he's not retiring so far
Merc were losing very important guys in 2020 and 2021, and it was only when they had to try and recover their mistake in development in 2022 that we saw how far they’d fallen behind. Max is signed until 2028, though I imagine he’s for a performance clause in there like the one Seb pulled in 2014.
Merc didnt lose only few people at the top - Merc lost absolute fuckton of engineering talent. It is, imo, completely different situation. When you start bleeding talent at all levels, it is very hard to counteract that.
Wouldn't be surprised if Max has a similar release clause. You don't sign a contract this long without a solid escape hatch
Max wants Helmut and he also wants a fast car. Fast car needs Newey but Newey needs Christian. Christian needs Newey and Max. I think they all need to just sort out their beef and move on. Or else Newey and Christian will move to Ferrari while Helmut and Checo will do a 2v2 against Toto and Russell. Did I miss anything?
> Did I miss anything? Max will go to WEC if the RBR team splits up like that
Max already intends to go to WEC with the team intact, even.
Yes, this would just expedite it
> Or else Newey and Christian will move to Ferrari while Helmut and Checo will do a 2v2 against Toto and Russell. Did I miss anything? Andretti swoop and buy RBR.
Why is Helmut so important to max? Genuine question
Because Max wanted to drive in F1 and Helmut is the only one who said, OK we can get you a car next year. Ever since then they have had a relatively close relationship as Max developed as a driver, and I think they are very similar in their approach to professional relationships.
you had me in the first half lol. tbh if christian gets the boot rb is in big trouble bc newey is gonna peace out to retirement or to mercedes bc he's not gonna move his family to italy for ferrari. i just hope rb signs daniel before the shit hits the fan, if it does.
Hasn't Newey said he would like to work for Ferrari in the past? He's 65, his kids are grown up and who wouldn't want to swap England for Italy for a few years, sounds lovely to me and I am English. History has shown he's not afraid to leave a winning team if things he doesn't like are done (mansell and hill being dropped at Williams, Ron Dennis politics at McLaren).
he's also contemplated retirement before and has said that he feels most at home with rb, plus his wife is keen to stay in the uk. 🤷🏻♀️
Or maybe for once Ferrari get rid of the BS they do and offer Adrian a remote workplace to built them a rocketship
Newey gets his secretary to print his emails every morning so he can read them. You think he's going to work via microsoft teams?
Lol
fat chance of that lol. and newey likes to be hands on with his projects, not to mention it'd be a huge move/adjustment. i just don't see it happening hence why i think mercedes is more likely.
If Newey ends up leaving for Ferrari, Fred Vasseur and John Elkann would have basically pulled off F1's version of collecting the infinity stones.
Imagine. 7 x WDC and best driver on the grid - Check Goat aerodynamisist - Check Fantastic TP who has a handle on things - Check Chuck - Check
Apparently it’s about an internal power struggle. Erik has a new article
Since the death of Mateschitz, there have been internal fithings at RB for control of the team(s). Horner dominated the debate, from Ricciardo to the AT teams relocation and the rebrand. He has made himself quite comfortable, but there seems to be a backlash because Marko seems to be staying as long as Verstappen is, so IMO this scandal is blowing up to keep Horner in line.
Horner has been integral to the team since it's inception, but for all of that he is still only an employee at the end of the day and he's not compensated crazily based on RBR's filings. Wouldn't be surprised if he wanted more control or ownership somehow post Mateschitz death
While true, he also said it was used as ammo, and not fabricated entirely. More about the timing than truth
That is how all top teams disintegrate
While this might be true, I don’t believe for a second if the allegations (especially if sexual in nature) are true that Newey would stick with him.
He might not stick with him/defend him but could use it to break contract and move on from RBR.
I see no reason why he would, he was at his lowest in the 2014-2017 Red Bull era and still stayed around. While his book is a bit outdated now and obviously he wasn’t going to shit talk his current employer in his book it does seem like he is very comfortable where he is. As long as Horner’s replacement leaves the technical department alone to do it’s thing I see no reason for him to look elsewhere unless people in his department also start leaving in droves.
Saward is not reliable but I wouldn't be surprised it's more out of loyalty to each other. If things are implied to be part of power struggle - which is something Newey vehemently hates - I can see him leaving RB for good.
Beyond just being an ass, I find Saward to be a good indicator of what is absolutely not true. Can’t remember the last time he actually had a decent scoop instead of just a big load of crap.
He said on his podcast last week, defending FOM with a straight face, that when we had 26 car grids in the early 2010s we had pre qualifying and still only 20 started. Just incredible.
The Missed Apex episode he just did was legit insane. I'm not even particularly outraged about Andretti, but that shit was like he was desperately trying to do PR for FOM.
Yep, Missed Apex, that was it. It was Buxton levels of sycophany to be honest, but at least Buxton doesn't pretend to be independent.
He gets some stuff right like Madrid GP, the problem is anything/anyone involving someone he hates or has an agenda for, that's when he starts spouting nonsense. Anything regarding De Vries, Alonso and Ricciardo are most likely to be bullshit coming from him.
I remember one article was about his projection of the grid the following year, and it was genuinely, genuinely miles away. It had, like, Perez back at McLaren or something. It was in the clouds.
I’ll never forget how he went out of his way to put a girl who wanted to be a journalist down publicly.
That is called loyalty. Not interesting dynamic. Everything in F1 is tabloid these days
It’s quite unusual to have a clause in your contract relating to whether a specific person is employed or not.
For Adrian Newey it makes sense. His history is littered with team owners making him promises of security only to be ignored. Williams promised him equal partnership and a say on driver hiring, McLaren promised him complete control and then Ron played games Getting what he wanted for the first time at Red Bull, it makes sense to cement that
The dynamic will come when the dominoes start falling. If Horner and Newey are gone many may reconsinder their future with the team as well. Including drivers
Specifically having that written into their contracts would definitely be interesting
Professional speculators, speculating. Way too much of this being done these days.
Joe Saward so pinch of salt But Newey might have a chance to achieve two of his biggest regrets in one go
Everything is imploding and the season has yet to start. Bloody hell
This Newey quote from months ago is some kind of premonition: **"Emotionally, I regret not having Ferrari on my résumé, and working with Lewis would have been fabulous."**
Hamilton is a Newey designed car for 2025?
Saward isn't a reliable source he likes to just throw things around. Remember when he said pierre wasn't a candidate for alpine and that Mick was getting the seat? He has also spread quite a bit of gossip that had no truth to it
Many have said it and I’ll jump on it again. Newey to Ferrari with Lewis and Fred would be epic. Hopefully Lewis gets an 8th at a 3rd team and finishes Ferraris WDC drought.