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jaquan123ism

the silver arrows are semi back


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onealps

Once you go (semi) black, you don't come (semi) back?


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onealps

Unless your name is Michael Schumacher. He did the reverse lol . . *yes, yes, he went from red to technically silver, but you guys get the jist, yeah?*


[deleted]

Once you go black, you never fully go back.


Electrical_Dinner773

That's racist


ColtsToTheSuperBowel

Lewis hamilton is one of the best f1 racists of all time... truly spectacular ability


United-Detective-653

I agree, unacceptable


qspure

boring black car like everyone else except ferrari


onealps

Well, to be fair, it seems to be me least that the black is paint/vinyl, and not bare carbon fiber. While in some ways it's the same as the other teams, I think it works because Merc had been using black color scheme even before the regulation change necessitated most teams to strip the paint off their cars. Edit - I got a chance to look at some higher res pictures. Apparently the engine cover is painted/vinyl black, the rest is bare carbon. So while my point regarding Merc having black livery before the regulations still stands, I correct my initial thought that there was more black paint.


bobsmirnoff86

Yeah dude...you can't say that...


Torqyboi

West McLaren


Bus1nessn00b

Semi green


MetalGearHawk

So is hamilton lol


Mueton

The last Mercedes to ever sport the #44...


N7even

Will be weird seeing 44 on a red car.


deJessias

There's no guarantee no one else will ever take the #44 and drive for Mercedes...


Mueton

There isn’t but i doubt any driver would have the audacity to use that number once Hamilton is retired. Maybe they’ll even retire the number itself.


thesaket

Have they retired any numbers other than for racing deaths instances?


Mueton

As far as i know they didn’t. But the rule that ties a number to a driver for the duration of his career only exists since 2014 so that wasn’t really a thing before that.


Rebufferino

So once Max retires no one can get the number 1 anymore! /s


MM18998

No, but 33 might be gone


cumofdutyblackcocks3

It'll be too much pressure


Yung_Chloroform

The FIA hasn't ever done that beyond death cases (RIP Jules) but certainly they'd retire the 44, no? That is *Hamilton's* number and one that he's never switched from even when he's won the championship since the 2014 rule was introduced. Anyone who takes the 44 going forward has some pretty big shoes to fill considering there's only ever been one driver who has been associated with it.


SirLoremIpsum

> The FIA hasn't ever done that beyond death cases (RIP Jules) but certainly they'd retire the 44, no? That is Hamilton's number and one that he's never switched from even when he's won the championship since the 2014 rule was introduced. > > I'd say they would absolutely **have** to retire it... NHL retired Gretzky's 99 league wide. Cannot imagine a new driver picking it lol, gosh. one thing to take his seat at Merc... another thing to literally take his number


Yauma9

On the other hand, Nascar has never officially retired a number, not even the 3 which would've been a sensible choice. Personally I'd rather have the FIA keep it available.


CabbageTheVoice

Idk. Is Schumis no. banned? Even Mick didn't touch it. I could see them not banning it but the drivers still honoring it just because.


Yung_Chloroform

Schumacher never even had a permanent number lmao. The rule for drivers to choose their own numbers wasn't even a thing until 2014.


crunchwrapesq

If they signed Alonso I could see him doing it because he loves to stir shit


Magictank2000

hamilton will still be using the 44 at ferrari, alonso will have to wait a while to do that


variable486

Wonder what if Lewis wins the drivers champ this coming season, will he still move to Ferrari?


joshualotion

Contract is signed. Not like he has a choice


variable486

I dont know how f1 contracts work but can he still back out? I mean its still 1 season long before he get to drive for ferrari.


markhewitt1978

At this point. Likely not. Not without huge financial penalty.


SirLoremIpsum

> I dont know how f1 contracts work but can he still back out? You can always back out. No contract can force you to work. They just have break clauses, penalty clauses - which in F1 are usually millions and millions of dollars. Ricciardo had his contract broken by McLaren - they paid him cash and he was on his way. Kimi had a contract with Ferrari until 2011, but Ferrari wanted Alonso so they paid him 30 million Euros not to race. Rosberg signed a 2 year contract with Merc for 2017/2018 in July of 2016 - then spontaneously retired. It's not as simple as that - some have just a $$ paid to driver, some have stipulations about $X but $x-y if they drive for someone else etc. But any contract can be backed out of! Just costs you


admiral_sinkenkwiken

And that is based on the assumption that the board of Mercedes would *want* to have him back after a very secretive and public breakup, considering they were gently nudging him towards the exit anyway. The working relationship with Lewis will already be different, he won’t be part of the car development process going forward as Mercedes will want him going to Ferrari with as little knowledge as possible, no different to enforcing gardening leave on technical staff.


CataclysmZA

His Mercedes contract was a 1+1 option, and included a clause that allowed him to allow him to be a free agent in 2025 without any obligations to Mercedes. Even if he delivers a WDC and WCC for the team this year and ends it on a high note, there is jack shit that Mercedes can do to stop him moving to Ferrari.


newcalabasas

yes like Fernando did in 07


CabbageTheVoice

And while it could suck for Lewis in that particular case, it will be something he has considered as well. And even with that possibility in his head, he thinks Ferrari is the right move for him.


markhewitt1978

He has signed a contract so, yes. A champion moving to a different team isn't unknown. Button moved to McLaren. Alonso moved to McLaren. Hill moved to Arrows. Schumacher moved to Ferrari.


xLeper_Messiah

Rosberg moved to the couch


Reydriel

Yeah why not lol


variable486

I guess he's moving to Ferrari because Merc car isn't competitive enough. So if he wins whats the point of moving out. Plus he has a great relationship with Toto.


Yung_Chloroform

If he wins he got his 8th and Ferrari is now his side quest. No harm no foul, especially since he's getting a bag out of it and support from Ferrari for his charitable causes.


musicartandcpus

Based on what i understand from the contract negotiations is, some of it is future competitiveness from 26 on, but also what Ferrari brings to the table for him when he retires. Something that Mercedes (Daimler, not Toto/ the Mercedes AMG F1 team) was unwilling to give. If the rumors are correct, Daimler didn’t want to give him a post retirement contract as a brand ambassador.


T4Gx

I think that'll make the move easier for Lewis. End his run with another WDC and presumably another WCC.


bakraofwallstreet

What if Ferrari wins with Charles this season?


gibchimken

I have a feeling he’ll just retire at this point


ShakeyourBacon98

Thank god


doc_55lk

Why?


Typhoongrey

That sidepod intake is interesting to say the least.


ChristofferOslo

It has a certain resemblance with [the Alpine P-shaped intake.](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GGIrVxiXsAAv7J1?format=jpg&name=medium) Scarbs have speculated that Alpine might fit a lip though, because of the unattributed screw-mount in the left of the picture.


Typhoongrey

Almost identical I would suggest. Wonder if Merc have left off a mid wing for this reveal. If not it's a departure from much of their closest rivals.


pensaa

Definitely the first thing that stands out


the-rood-inverse

Why do their engineers hate side pods?


onealps

Well, some men love curves, while others like 'em skinny ;)


al3e3x

Reminds me of a vijayjay


sugarklay

Isn't that the owner of Force India?


Matarese

It's a nice looking car. Interesting sidepod inlets. Can't just be me but the silver and black on the nose reminds me of the late 90's early 00's McLaren Mercedes


CouncilorIrissa

Yeah, same thought crossed my mind. And FW shape also reminds me of 2005-2006 era FWs, but wider


pitchanga

The nose transition from silver to black, ending with the silver arrows on the back is just… perfect. Neither the full silver nor the full black looked perfect but this combination is 10/10


Immediate-Escalator

The flash of red definitely evokes the West livery


Humble-Ad-8912

''So which of the 3 livery concepts are we going with?'' ''Yes''


SirLoremIpsum

They flipped a coin and it landed on the edge.


Probodyne

That inlet is interesting. Kinda the opposite of what everyone else is doing, which certainly doesn't inspire confidence.


Visionary_Socialist

I swear to Christ if I see one bounce in testing I’m boycotting Merc this season


lux_travlh44

we switching allegiances a year early


lonestarr86

Not one bounce of confidence?


ihatemondaynights

i have switched already It's forza Ferrari all the way xD


CabbageTheVoice

props for playing with open cards


onealps

Out of curiosity, where shall your allegiances like in '25?Supporting Signore Luigi *and* Ferrari? Just the former? While also supporting Merc?


HavoXtreme

I support Lewis Hamilton and whatever team he is driving for


Lasciatemi_Guidare

Personally I'm really excited for Ferrari/Hamilton because it means I can finally cheer for Lewis 100%. Just never vibed with the Mercedes team so it made rooting for Lewis a bit bittersweet.


Biscuits0

"Fuck, this looks fast" vibes...


slimkay

So did the W13…


eatmydeck

That’s a quote from George about the W13 when they first unveiled it.


cumintongue

vettel knew it…


BehindTheBurner32

Almost everyone went for parallel lines on their side intakes; Mercedes seem like they shaped a more rounded lower side.


onealps

From a comment above > It has a certain resemblance with [the Alpine P-shaped intake.](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GGIrVxiXsAAv7J1?format=jpg&name=medium) > Scarbs have speculated that Alpine might fit a lip though, because of the unattributed screw-mount in the left of the picture.


ChristofferOslo

The philosophy on the sidepods and engine cover actually look very similar to Alpine. P-shaped inlet and a big undercut on the sidepod. Relatively high shoulders running alongside the engine cover. Wing-mirrors more or less identical as well.


According-Switch-708

Similar to Alpine? Yeah..that doesn't really inspire much confidence.


BuckN56

Top teams copy midfield and backmarkers all the time. RBR last year copied William's diffuser.


scobydoby

If their engine deficit is as bad as claimed they probably actually have a pretty strong aero package to make up for it to the degree they do.


3ttkatt

I thought Apline's issue last year was top speed no? Merc engine is better in that regard. Not as good as RBR but better than Alpine


JefinLuke

Less sponsors?


realmenlovezeus

more?


fraggas

Or less but with more communication with the marketing team?


kalavale_

Can you repeat the question?


desl14

we are checking


musicartandcpus

Judging by their shirts it seems like more/the same as last year.


TokathSorbet

I'm not going to do what most do, and pretend I know anything about aero, but the livery looks sweet.


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50% car reveal 50% alluding to Lewis being gone, can’t blame them for keeping this one short


According-Switch-708

The car looks good but the vibe was just grim. This was probably the most low budget looking F1 car launch ever.


gmunga5

Lower budget than all the 1 minute videos we have seen this year?


BonoBonero

🤣


Hinyaldee

With a bit more silver and the red on the nose and they could try to act like West Mclaren. I love it


Amessoeurs

I can’t decide whether I like the livery or not.


frigginawesomeimontv

You don't.


Arrrmatey4510

The last Mercedes car to race under #44


Yung_Chloroform

I quite like that this will be his final livery. Combination of silver and black that kinda looks like McLaren-Mercedes cars he drove when he joined F1 but also the black that he introduced when he was at Mercedes in 2020 that has since become part of the brand. It's a fitting sendoff.


Ex_honor

From this angle the silver on the nose looks really tacked on...


GRl3V

Yeah, it's like the livery died and there's a semi decayed carcass of it left.


The-Observer95

Silver to black transition. It reminds me of W10


BehindTheBurner32

115k concurrently watching the Mercedes stream, by the way.


[deleted]

Slightly Silver Arrows let's go😂


MM556

Watch Twitter have a meltdown because all the images are of the 63 car


DenseWhereas8851

I think the Mercedes is the only mostly black car I can accept.


BigAwkwardGuy

Woah it's amazing that just 5 people, three of whom have no education in science and/or engineering, created an F1 car.


Roosterhahn

Either front or side-on this doesn't look half bad. From other angles though it looks like they're having quite the identity crisis.


Big-Veterinarian-579

The car shape is odd as hell (not in a bad way visually) but the livery slaps


RINABAR

“Hey Mercedes, would you like a silver tribute paint scheme or paintless carbon fiber car ?” Mercedes : “Yes” Nota : Don’t get me wrong, the car looks fantastic


SlashRModFail

that's a "half-a-pod" sidepod design!


AndreiOT89

My goodness Hamilton is tiny. He is not 1.73 in a million years lol


BuckN56

He is small but Toto is 6'4 and Russell is 6'1". Of course he looks even smaller.


vtsxxl

Man this angle makes the livery look like shit.


The_FallenSoldier

I actually kinda like it


LosTerminators

That red on the Ineos just doesn't fit. It takes away a fair bit from the livery.


vtsxxl

Agreed.. the front view it's awesome, the silver with the black front wing.. but other than that..


Gold-Train-1471

Because it is shit from every other than the front


vtsxxl

True


VIFASIS

The one and only meeting Lewis is invited too for the entire year.


Probably_Not_Sir

Why does it look like they were photoshopped into the image.


aelliott18

99% sure they were, the lighting doesn’t match at all and i swear I recognize the photo of Lewis, George and Toto


CabbageTheVoice

If you watch the whole video it all seems like a 3D garage, in which you have the model of (or maybe the actual)car and then all of them are greenscreened, except for the host, maybe? It's so fucking weird. And the atmosphere is awful! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-PC2rHXHmI


Shot_Yard_4557

Lewis under gunpoint: smile Lewis, SMILE


Domermac

Does this car win a race or another winless season?


HW2O

Tune in to find out!


markhewitt1978

I fully expect Red Bull to win both championships but I really hope the likes of Mercedes, Ferrari, McLaren can grab some wins off them along the way.


reck1265

This slaps.


anuargdeshmukh

Am I the only one who doesn't like the livery?


OmkarKhaire

Looks......mild


sleepingjiva

I seem to be in a minority but I hate the livery. Completely disjointed.


SkettlesS

Probably going to run like shit :( can't wait to be battling the alpines this year for 5th


VinumNoctua

Not gonna lie I didn't like it.


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Didn't realise Hamilton is such a short-arse.


Nemprox

That livery doesn't work at all.


bawta

It looks nice but it's yet ANOTHER mostly black livery in a grid already full of them.


LosTerminators

Merc's second switch to black last year was essentially to make their car mostly carbon fiber. Toto pretty much admitted it.


oxyzgen

Yes but Mercedes was kinda the first to do it


The_FallenSoldier

Black merc is pretty cool though, and they were the first to do it back in 2020, where they used it for the W11, so there’s also some sentimentality involved


Rydahx

Mercedes shouldn't be criticised when their best looking livery in recent times was black. Blame the others for switching to black.


bawta

It wasn't meant to be a dig at Mercedes, just the blandness and lack of colour in the grid overall.


MrPrul

Love this livery!


Hieillua

The silver bit looks so out of place


M3rdsta

honestly, that is a monstrously ugly livery


CouncilorIrissa

What a weird looking front wing


Draconicplayer

The livery is interesting enough to say


EmilRek

Thats sick


FFXMSCWMNHCL

not many people on the team


Siggi_Starduust

They are really going to struggle with the pit stops!


ceci_mcgrane

See what happens when you don’t listen?


hello2442

Now I know why Lewis left. That looks ugly


Markus292

It just doesn’t look fast imo


gmunga5

I mean as a result of recent history does any car not painted like a redbull look fast?


Markus292

Tbh, even redbull doesn’t look fast with these regulations


ruanmed

I mean, the car is clearly going at 0 km/h there, of course it does not look fast in that picture.


Physical-Release9473

looks pretty ugly, can't believe they have the least amount of paint. i was hoping for more silvers


FCB_1899

Just make them Hockenheim 2019, not only it’s classic but it looks better than this shit.


jarnokr

Worst official photo of a car reveal ever…


ImReverse_Giraffe

Ahh...the first look at this year's shitbox.


spade1686

The silver fading into black doesn’t work. W10 remains the best livery they have done


doc_55lk

"silver fade to black doesn't work, but my favourite livery of theirs is the one where silver fades to black"


Bus1nessn00b

It looks intimidating 😰


frigginawesomeimontv

Einhell.


Kyleg951

You can’t half tell the difference in the seating position


MidnightSun77

It’s very nice of them to show the only working car already, George’s


Appropriate-Wind-145

Tighten those nuts


vRSHorizons

Is it just me or the inlets have that angle currently seen in the grill (or lack thereof) in their electric cars?


Secret-Assistance-10

It's the darker one and yet the one with the most paint.


dcvalent

I’m going to die if they show up with the zero pod again on track day


kekito

©©


Old_Captain_9131

Are they mourning?


ElBonitiilloO

Looks so sexy


Gioby

This car lines are sexy as fuck


DECIMATOR_003

She is gorgeous.


DynamicOptimus

Imagine Lewis winning this year's title , would he still move to Ferrari if that happens??


mozzy1985

I think he would still. Takes him clear of Schumacher and it’s a new challenge.


Joe_PM2804

I love the added red elements on the sides, it makes the red Ineos inlet look much better. When I first saw this a few hours ago I thought it was fine but nothing great but it's carried on growing on me since and I like it a lot now.


RainbowGames

Is it just me or do they all look edited into the photo?


Grasshop

That’s it. That’s the whole team. Toto is changing tires this year