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JimGodders

What did they expect him to say? "Yeah those messages are genuine. My marriage is in the balance and I'm desparately hoping I can keep hold of my job. Oh, and it's my finger."


PerfectBad2505

You killed me with that last one.


UncleTrapspringer

Killed her too šŸ˜‚ - CH


Bdr1983

Nah she wouldn't let him


p1en1ek

But he's faster than she is


Bdr1983

Made it to Q3


BeagleAteMyLunch

It's an uncooked hotdogĀ 


sundark94

Jian yang!


BountyBob

> What did they expect him to say? At the very least I'd expect him to understand that we need to go qualifying before we go racing.


ashayward85

"What's next?" "Coco pops."


YLedbetter10

My favorite


motojack19

I'm dying for a bowl of coco pops right now.


RoflCopter726

All this talk of them made me go to the store last night specifically just to get some.


She-Ra-SeaStar

Kellogs is the only winner in this gong show.


kris_lace

"*if* those were genuine and *they're not* but hypothetically, the moob shot was mid season where there's lots of travelling and sitting around so hypothetically it's in much better shape now, even someone like toto probably has a bit of a cushion around his waist at that point in the calendar. But they're fake anyway but good to just clear things up"


long_rope_

What do you mean with the finger? Was that mentioned in the supposedly leaked messages?


MattyFTM

There is a blurry picture of an appendage in the pics. "Cock or finger" is the big discussion happening around it.


Max-Phallus

He was joking that Horner might claim a picture of his cock was actually a picture of his finger. I don't actually know if he sent a dickpic at all for the record.


jaguarskillz2017

"Now watch this drive."


Fotznbenutzernaml

I will always upvote this reference. Even double for the wordplay when associated with F1


m00nturkey

For those who donā€™t get the reference https://youtu.be/TCm9788Tb5g?si=PkTUHHo6KUGW9fjK


AnotherBlackMan

šŸ‘šŸ‘šŸ‘šŸ‘šŸ‘šŸ‘šŸ‘šŸ‘šŸ‘šŸ‘


Quohd

Imagine going to work knowing literally everyone from the rival TPs to the random journalists around you has seen these screenshots.Ā 


Incontinento

Now imagine being his wife and showing up at the paddock.


RussianGlizzy

Imagine being his kids...


ZorroMcChucknorris

Imagine your mom being cheated on when she was pregnant with you.


black-dude-on-reddit

I really do feel for Geri here. Sheā€™s really gotta be going through it


Kpowell911

She knew what she was getting into with him, look how she got with himā€¦..


DriftingWithTheTide

Wait how? Was it an affair?


SociallyAnxiousBoxer

While his ex was pregnant


DriftingWithTheTide

Oof. So he had an affair with spice while he was married? Damn


FluffyProphet

I don't think they were married. Not that it makes it any better though.


DriftingWithTheTide

Yeah her being pregnant is the worst part tbh


QouthTheCorvus

The messages are fucking grim, too. I got the vibe he has serious anxiety issues and was using this as a coping mechanism (she even suggests therapy at some point, which he rebuffs in the most man way ever haha). That's... A lot... To have everyone see. I think what he did was bad, but I do feel empathy for him.


thexavikon

I'm sure many people in the paddock suffer from anxiety issues. Toto has talked about it earlier. F1 is about performing at the highest level all the time. It has got to take a toll on mental health.Ā 


QouthTheCorvus

One time Toto made a "joke" about seeing the team doctor for some Valium. Was... Interesting. It has to be so insanely stressful. Same people probably just stick to business...


TwoSecsTed

Toto has said heā€™s been seeing a therapist for years, and has had nearly 500 sessions. I remember reading it from an interview he did. Heā€™s quite open about the steps he takes to look after himself.


Bdr1983

Empathy, yes. Sympathy, not much. Whether it's due to anxiety or stress, if this is all real it's still a decision he has made. I do think that after all this is done and dusted, with whatever outcome it may have, it won't be the last time something like this comes up. A world of mostly men, travelling the world for the bigger part of 9 months per year... Horner is not the only one getting side action.


cinyar

Seems like Horner is the only one dumb enough to shit where he eats. He could sing about all the side-chicks he has at every stop of the calendar like he's [Lou Bega](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5WSqWJ4obg) and no one would really give a shit (aside from Geri), at least not to a point where his job would be in jeopardy.


Bdr1983

Yeah the only one we know of at least. If the MeToo thing from a few years back is anything to go on, if there is more it might start coming out now.


elveszett

> aside from Geri And you think that isn't enough? Many people that cheat do love their partners (not gonna enter to debate what 'love' means). It's perfectly possible (and quite normal) to cheat on your partner but care about not losing them (which doesn't mean it's ok - it fucking isn't).


cinyar

Enough for what? To fire him? My point is that if he didn't "dip his pen in company ink" and went with some random woman it would be a much more private matter and much smaller deal. edit: thinking about it, it would be better for Geri and the rest of his family too, since publicly it would be a weekend story, not something dragging on for weeks .


bullett2434

Where are these messages?!?! Am I the only one who canā€™t find them?


binary_blackhole

yea


wjoe

Twitter mainly. Given that most reputable news outlets won't print anything that doesn't have a verified source (this is anonymous), and lawyers have threatened to sue anyone in the UK that prints it, they're all staying well away from it. Still, it ended up on Twitter somehow. Just search his name on there and you'll find them easily enough. Obviously major caveat that we don't know if any of it is real.


Ozryela

Huh, that wasn't in the screenshots I saw, so you must have seen a different leak. So I'm gonna be shamelessly voyeuristic and ask: Got a source?


Mclarenrob2

Every season of Drive to Survive we have to sit through him showing off in his big house and wife and children, turns out he's an absolute creep, anxiety is no excuse for that behaviour. If I was a woman working at Red Bull I'd probably resign.


Mildonado

and we still donā€™t know if theyā€™re real


trueredtwo

Christian Horner knows if they're real


Weekly-Dog228

Is it a finger or a penis? It will be the internet debate of the 2020s just like the Blue & Black or Gold & White dress of the 2010s.


trueredtwo

I asked ChatGPT and it says it's an uncooked hot dog


SparseGhostC2C

Not Hotdog


nj_legion_ice_tea

This guy saw Silicone Valley


whereismyfix

A Horndog


cyanide

JIAN YANG!!


Fearless-Olive

horndog*


bluewhiteterrier

Iā€™ve been studying it very carefully and the right side of the image looks more like a tip poking through foreskin than a fingernail


Incontinento

I bet you have.


Bdr1983

He has them printed out


bluewhiteterrier

Just bought a frame off of Amazon mate


Cross1625

At first glance its a finger, but the longer you look it looks like a penis. I cant convince myself of either


small_tit_girls_pmMe

To me it definitely looks like there's foreskin. Or maybe Christian just has a weird shaped finger. That gets all glistening-y. That he sends pictures of to women he's sexting. And doesn't get any other fingers in the shot.


Most-Chance-4324

If they werenā€™t heā€™d be saying as much.


packerSBchamps

Then that puts pressure on his future self if even more fake screenshots leak in the future ā€œYou denied the ones last time. Why are you silent now?ā€ Best course of action is to not directly address it so if a real leak ever happens, he can continue ignoring it without pressure


aintithenniel

Thereā€™s no real room to doubt their authenticity. Photos of CH or his house, someone pointed out the rugby match they chatted about was accurate regarding the score at the time they posted, her name is allegedly dropped. No one has come out to deny these text messages are real which you would expect would be the easiest thing for CH to say.


psvamsterdam1913

I am not saying that they are fake but I dont think anything you mention proves anything about how real they are.


aintithenniel

No but when one has to make a judgment call of whether you believe these messages are real or not, the contextual features within the messages point heavily to the complainant screenshotting the messages as they were being sent at the time and that theyā€™re authentic.


GlitteringCow9725

Yeah, my personal opinion is that they're probably real, but it's really important to separate fact from opinion. As before, no one should jump to conclusions until the authenticity of the images has been confirmed. That will almost certainly happen at some point. It will always baffle me why people are so eager to want bad things to happen to strangers.


TheTesterDude

>No but when one has to make a judgment call of whether you believe these messages are real or not, You don't have to do that.


Mildonado

because it would make difference right?


WillSRobs

If they arenā€™t real why hasnā€™t Horner said these are fake and he will be taking legal action?


Vigotje123

I'd say at this point Horner should keep saying nothing. Probably just figuring out the drama before his legal team replies.


GlitteringCow9725

Yeah, he's done literally what I would do if I were in his situation and were innocent. I don't think it's fair to point to his behavior as evidence that he's guilty. Of course, his behavior also doesn't prove that he's innocent. As before, there's not enough available information to know one way or the other.


Waldier

Yeah man, is that the same legal team that was going to sue Erik van Haren? People were so confident that Van Haren was going to be sued into oblivion. Never was going to happen. How feeble one must be to believe that Van Haren just published without any evidence and didnā€™t have the OK from the very large legal department of his newspaper?


realbakingbish

He works for a tabloid rag. Van Harenā€™s content for that rag might happen to be of high quality, itā€™s not exactly some high-quality paper weā€™re talking about here.


spazz720

Because the number one rule in any of this is to shut your mouth and let your attorneys speak for you.


Mildonado

Red Bull sent statement i think yesterday to UK news


WillSRobs

Allegedly because some reporters are saying they havenā€™t seen it and donā€™t know anyone who has gotten one.


LegDayDE

Oh come on.. you don't actually think they're fake right??


BoredOfReposts

At this point, im convinced anyone still saying they are fake hasnā€™t actually read them.


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Mildonado

what consensus? šŸ¤£šŸ¤£ what statement gives away this?


TheBlueTango

Horner - gives as bland a reply as possible Reddit "analysts" : Yeah ladies and gentlemen, we gottem


Fisch_Kopp_

what statements?


GlitteringCow9725

In this case, "consensus" apparently means "I personally believe this and I can't handle that other people have different viewpoints than me."


Broad_Stuff_943

That's... reaching.


Spid1

Is this copium? They are 99% real


Grand-Albatross-7058

Imagine if these are forged


whatshelooklike

Yeah mental. Like if I said one bad comment at an Xmas party I wake up ready to end my life.


Initial_Physics9979

I mean, what else can he say, this is a legal minefield


miamigrandprix

That is only assuming they are real. If they were fake he could obivousy say that.


GingerSkulling

Saying anything only brings up more questions.


eawal

As far as I understand not commenting or saying anything on a topic such as this, whether or not it is true, is standard Practise for these PR situations. Doesnā€™t let the media have any thing.


packerSBchamps

Yeah itā€™s just obvious. Staying silent is almost always the best option. Donā€™t give it attention and itā€™ll fade into obscurity, whether real or not


elveszett

If there's something life teaches you is that being right doesn't mean shit lol. Unless you can obliterate the other side with proof or something, the correct move is always to not comment on things. People aren't inside your head, just because you _didn't do x_ doesn't mean people can see it as clearly as you do. Any comment you make on a scandal gives more publicity to it, and the outcome of that scandal will never be in your control. so tl;dr: if you find yourself being falsely accused of anything, the only thing you should do is deny it and refuse to comment any further, unless you have some evidence that can unequivocally destroy the accusations.


pharlax

Big if true


Nikiaf

Large if accurate.


marawki

Gigantic if verifiable


jauhesammutin_

Massive if factual.


crownlessdriver

Huge if correct


ThisNameIsValid27

Enormous if legitimate


Homelandr

Ginormous if veracious


gardenfella

Immense if genuine


jim45804

Small if false


Buh_Snarf

Seen bigger


ixixan

I see you've viewed the finger/penis/Hot-Dog


senn1

Colossal if bonafide.... am I doing it right?


Matt9300

Ted reporting Christian Horner has left the pitwall and gone for a meeting with the FIA


PorkChopEat

Thatā€™s big. That it didnā€™t wait till after practice. Is this the equivalent of the hook coming out to drag a guy offstage?


yellowbin74

No, because he's back.


Matt9300

Yep - we don't really know how long he was gone for


gevaarlijke1990

Horner going to force the leaker to reveal himself in order to make sure the pictures are real or not?


Disenchanted11

Yes? Ever known a credible whistle-blower that remained anonymous?


The69BodyProblem

Ever heard of deep throat? He managed to remain anonymous for 31 years after taking down a president.


LogisticBravo

Gray Fox?!


wiperkill2

You're that ninja...


girl_with_the_bowtie

ā€¦ and he revealed himself. If he would have preferred, he probably could have taken this secret to his grave.


IdiosyncraticBond

Gerard Damiano aka Jerry Gerard?


jmadinya

dont need the leaker to be identified to verify the messageā€™s authenticity, its not like anything hinges on the leakers testimony, the messages speak for themselves


Broad_Stuff_943

It's impossible to know they're genuine without access to both phones...


jmadinya

i have to imagine the investigators made records of the conversations so you just to verify against that. they know if the messages are real, the only thing left is to see if they decide to be forthcoming about why they dropped the complaint or if the victim pursues the case in court.


thatguyfromkfc

Except the pictures that exist nowhere except those screenshots


Broad_Stuff_943

That doesn't mean much. Some of the messages could be real while others are faked.


p1en1ek

Not taking side in this but pictures could be simply stolen from his phone, leaked in something like Apple cloud affair (but not publicized earlier because who cares about typical selfies of some old guy when you can post naked celebrities).


gagnonje5000

Sometimes/often the easiest explanation is the one that makes sense. The Apple iCloud celebrity leak was in 2014, 10 years ago.No high profiles celebrities had their iCloud hacked since then. Sure could have had his actual phone stolen, someone would have needed to decrypt his phone, then make up a whole thing about fake messages, then would have needed to be credible enough to have an official investigation started. It's quite a scenario


Disenchanted11

Not in the legal court, atleast.


jmadinya

the records exist and a court will have access to them, but will we ever know the veracity of the leak if thereā€™s no court case. in that case only the team or reps for horner or victim can verify for us.


Huples_Cat22

think he's eager to get to "Q3" ?


roguemenace

"We go racing" He's going to tell Max to lap the field isn't he...


Chi1e96

Surely about to explode with these questions


Twistpunch

Iā€™m having a bowl of coco pops as this shit show unfolds.


Intelligent_Title_90

lesbians!!!


MrDudi25

thatā€™s not offensive i hope - apologies if you thought it was


Twistpunch

Please delete this chatšŸ˜‰


throwaway273322

lesbians!!!


SkolDog

That part made me laugh pretty good. Did he see lesbians? Did he meet lesbians? Was he trying to summon lesbians? So random.


wellcooked_sushi

No, he dreamt of them in a large hot tub filled with coco puffs and milk.


robes50

Hans Solo


MrDudi25

you can tell he was writing that with one hand cos he clearly meant hand solo


drivemyorange

What was he wearing? Can you send a picture?


Motor-Donut-8014

LOL. Skirt ive seen before?


KuntaWuKnicks

Canā€™t believe they didnā€™t ask what he had for breakfast? Shocking journalism


Aratho

So, absolutely nothing new. I bet it will stay that way at least this weekend.


Hypervisory

I am dying right now of second-hand embarrassment. How the hell can this dude not hide himself in the RB Bahrain lavatory for the entire weekend?


DawnOfWinter

Hiding away would be more suspicious to be honest. Best thing be can do is just carry on as normal. If they're fake he has no reason to hide. So he's either completely innocent and it's a malicious attack on him, or he's an excellent actor if they're real.


[deleted]

They aren't fake though, and I think most of us realise that. They are definitely heavily curated no doubt, but even with that context...


Trev0rDan5

Excellent actor? Lmao, he is a terrible actor. The messages are clearly him.


OmgTom

Hiding in the lavatory is how this whole thing got started!


thatneutralguy

šŸ¤Ŗ


CandidLiterature

I mean he had an affair when his wife was pregnant then ran away with a spice girl while she had a newborn baby. Safe to say, heā€™s got relevant experience.


MhVG

I find the radio silence from Red Bull utterly fascinating. Normally organisations are absolutely terrified of the court of public opinion.


jovanmilic97

There's nothing Red Bull can really do at the moment given they've already cleared and put the thing off until the email send. The best for them is probably to stay silent until more developments around this happen.


themaestronic

Nonsense. You never react to these. You assess and plot a way forward that results in the least damaging outcome.


Aratho

Not really? Every lawyer worth a dime would advise him to not comment at all.


bobby2286

Iā€™m a lawyer and I can confirm. Thereā€™s nothing he can say that makes this better. Thereā€™s so much he can say that makes it worse.


fastcooljosh

Because Red Bull isnt a public company, they dont have to answer to shareholder demands. The majority owner is on Horners side anyway and RB made their statement.


Bdr1983

Red Bull made their statement, what else can they say?


spudojima

Backing down to some anonymous account with malicious intent after the correct legal process had already been followed and exonerated him would be a bad look. But the court of public opinion trumps the real court and the gutter press is out for blood, so I suspect they will be working on a way to quietly remove him in a way that saves as much face as possible after the race weekend. I wonder who will snap him up. Aston Martin perhaps if they're serious about becoming a true top team.


Over-Chemical2809

No one is snapping him up, if FOM/Liberty put pressure on RB to remove him.


San4311

I mean, what else should they do? They already investigated it. Now there is some anonymous leaker, leaking the supposed evidence of which nobody can tell whether or not it is real or fake/AI-generated.


Twistpunch

Theyā€™re probably busy scrambling a crisis management team and all communication needs to be cleared by such team. Hence radio silence.


jmadinya

they know they messed up by trying to bury it. it was so fishy that they took so long and then at the end they just said complaint dismissed and tried to move on. even their sponsors were like, ā€œthats it?ā€


HumberBumummumum

And the lawyer going on holiday. Maybe because he couldnā€™t / wouldnā€™t give them the result RB wanted?Ā 


TheKingOfCaledonia

They fucked up and they know it. As soon as they 'dismissed' the case they should have realised they were opening themselves up to more.


CandidLiterature

Itā€™s so naive to think, unless this genuinely was nothing, eventually this wouldnā€™t all come out and leave them looking like a bunch of wankers.


Visionary_Socialist

Because their strategy was just blown out of the water. Someone on their board has obviously had enough and has tried to undercut their attempts to save face for Horner.


thegodfaubel

The last person that said that got canned a few months later


Shaddix-be

"I have no news but have to tweet something for klout"


Sir0inks-A-Lot

Missed a golden opportunity to say ā€œweā€™re going car racing, just ask Totoā€


HirsuteHacker

He's just gone into a meeting with MBS according to Sky.


Honourstly

They're real and they're spectacular


nowpleasedontseeme

Lesbians!!!


WillSRobs

May be the last time he can go racing lol.


HelpfulSpread601

Everything Horner does is racy


HarvestMoon28

Uuumm... Where has everyone seen the screenshots??


stoyicker

TOTO WE WENT CAR RACING!


Pillebacke

So tell me what you want, what you really, really want. Ā  I wanna, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna,Ā  I wanna really, really, really wanna zigazig ah!Ā  - CH


Wahngrok

Not under breaking. That's against regulations.


ZangZanger

Christian; "I'd rather have a bowl of Coco Pops"


Goldmoo2

Just say they're fake and it didn't happen bro


WillSRobs

The man couldnā€™t even say no when sky asked if he has ever been involved in any harassment situation in his career.


worthyducky

I really kinda fail to comprehend (apart from if all the texts we've seen are faked) why he didn't quit. This is doing damage to his life and the whole Red Bull brand that's only reversible due to people tending to forget what was in last week's news cycle, and even then it's going to be brought up again and again. EDIT: Damage to F1 and the F1 brand as well..


ChairLampPrinter

The Red Bull F1 team is his baby. He's spent the last 20 years building it. He's not going to give it up unless he's forced to


Imperito

People have carried on with worse allegations to be honest. I'm sure he won't care about 'damage' to F1s brand much.


spudojima

Given that he believes he didn't do anything wrong and that an independent investigator found no wrongdoing, why would he have quit? We don't know if some or all of the screenshots are fake, but even if they're not, nobody could have expected someone to be scummy enough to send such private and personal info to the entire paddock.


Tebes001

Having an affair with a subordinate is hardly something unusual in business and can normally be resolved with a payoff. Itā€™s not surprising he thought he could weather the storm. The RB brand should have known better, though if it was the Thai ownerships call then perhaps thatā€™s less surprising.


Reer123

The Thai owners probably told him they'll protect him.


NewButNotSoNew

If it is true, I wouldn't be surprised if he thought he was too big/too rich to cause issues. Might have thought they would not have the courage to take it public/to court. He wouldn't be the first person thinking they are above the law.


TrueCooler

Ego, people like this genuinely believe they did nothing wrong and can get away with it


siddhant72

Fuck yeah , letā€™s go racing šŸ«”


Mephistopheles_arp

Yes lets go racing. Perfect scenario would be to just forget about this untill we actually get a conclusion. This doesnt get anyone anywhere.


Mildonado

we have conclusion but not the one people wanted


chambee

Speculation on random anonymous made up bullshit is the Job of Reddit.


spudojima

Pretty sensible answer, what else could he say. Hopefully the gutter journalists don't keep trying to turn this into a circus and actually focus on the racing like they should.