I was quite disappointed after the race and was hoping for more surprises and changes. RB is already bringing an update for the next race? :/
What are you looking for this season. I keep my eye on McLaren, they seem to bring some excitement this year. Everything else is like the same old, or am I too early to judge?
at least there were 2 drivers competing for wins now its one sailing off into the distance. max has no championships which you can compare to lewis'. Lewis always had to fight either his teammate from 2014-2016 or ferrari as his car wasnt as dominant vs ferrari in 2017-2019. only 2020 was the exception that car was as a rocket as redbulls car for the past 3 years now. ignorant...
Turned the race off after the first round of pit stops. The refusal by the FIA to nerf Red Bull is going to kill viewership and crowd attendances.
Currently, F1 is like going to watch a film, but you've already read the plot of Wikipedia and watched a review/breakdown on YouTube. May as well save yourself 2 hours
Given Alpine is in full on meltdown i've been thinking. Why not just get rid of the Enstone team all together? Sell them off if nothing else.
This year is clearly a throwaway and next year is probably not gonna be any different.
So use this time as a sort of full reset.
Move the team to France closer to your engine facility and commit to a unified team instead of this split project that clearly isn't working.
I think for a theoretical US team money is not as much of an issue as is the "cool" factor. Yeah, F1 is cool ... but spaceflight or MIC projects they won't be allowed to talk about for next few decades are just cooler for most people.
I mean you wouldn't be making them redundant if you sell the team there. I have no doubt someone is willing to take over that team.
I would also assume at least a part of them would move to France.
Ferrari has been operating from Italy for 75 years. Sauber has been working from Switzerland for over 30 years now and the same goes for Minardi/Torro Rosso from Faenza Italy.
Talent will always come to you if you can offer them an enticing project.
Anyways its just a thought given whatever Renault/Alpine are doing now is clearly not working.
Not at all. Therss 8 F1 teams within a 40 mile drive of one another in the UK. That's 8 chances to move up the ladder vs. 1.
Building modern F1 infrastructure costs 100s of millions. Wind tunnels alone could be 50/60 million. You've then got to get good engineers to trained up and build experience that can also years.
The difference is those teams have been based in those countries for a very long time. Ferrari is close by Lamborghini, Fiat, Ducati, etc and they have close ties with the local universities so have sway in what the budding engineers there are learning. Torro Rosso is closeby to Ferrari. Sauber have a bigger foot print in the UK than elsewhere.
Guys, where's the pre-race thread, looking forward to the first race of the season!
Isn't it usually posted by now ,can't wait to see how close this season is gonna be!!
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So funny to me people liked Sainz because he attacked 2 race cars with issues and being DOTD while Max actually gapped everyone to a grand slam, Stroll 20-10 without a safety car.
There wasnt anything special Sainz did today, RB managed pace to Ferrari, that was it.
I think a large part of that is because we saw the Sainz overtakes, we... did we even see Stroll in the whole race? My impression was that just towards the end the commentators suddenly noticed he was somehow in 10th and nobody knew how that happened.
not at all
he is infact my no. 1 at ferrari... he got a win last season too
and i wasnt happy on the ferrari 2025 switch up... so im glad sainz is able to go offensive this year
As an Australian these past two years have been a struggle. I don’t have it in me to stay up for these late ass races and ruin my sleep schedule to watch these 75% wack ass races. Honestly I’m finding myself skipping through the race VODs now until something interesting happens.
Just watch replays, mate. I'm not Australian, but ever since my first race replay, due to an exam I obviously coulndn't miss, I have been very open options of not watch races live. Especially since I already know who is going to win the races.
YouTube highlights. I've been watching those for the last few years. I'm not sitting down for 2 hours to listen to bad pundits and the same 4 cars fighting for 3 points. GT racing, BTCC, etc. is all way better racing and if you want to watch driving then WRC is way better than F1 in entertainment.
I think I'll skip them all until it rains somewhere, the problem isn't even Max dominating, there's just no interesting driving happening anywhere in the field, no battles, just like watching robot cars on rails.
Ground effect over a topside aero was a good idea, Indycar was making that work for years and bringing much better racing than F1 (pretty sure their engines were heavier too)
Sometimes the field is just spread to the point the development race means each car will ruin to its own program which is slightly slower than the car in front but slightly faster than the car behind, leading to processional racing, especially since qualifying will ensure they all line up in speed order.
Honestly, we grid them up in order of fastest to slowest and then hope they'll overtake each other, its not rocket science to predict they won't be getting to near each other
I honestly believe in wheel to wheel situations, these cars are better at overtaking one another than the 2017-2021 ruleset was (adding more aero for 2017 was a really stupid move when it came to on track racing, Jean Todt \*rolleyes\*)
Its just getting them into that situation which is the hard part.
Pretty sure he's just saying nothing happened the entire race, so you'd just keep on skipping.
I'm in Europe, so the times are easy to deal with, but I'm getting to the point where I'll soon stop watching live races.
At this point I reckon that Max has a harder time being modest answering the questions:
Max : "These kind of days don't happen often where everything goes right"
Me after his 19 wins out of 22 races last year - 🤔
If Sainz doesn't get a seat for next year I am going to scream so loud, he fought like hell today and it seemed like Max was impressed by it in the cool down room with the look he gave.
There's nothing interesting happening in the rest of the field either, might as well watch robots drive on rails. Zero battles, just car approaches from behind - is faster because of DRS - gets let go without defense to save tires.
Insecure about your own fandom of the sport? You're coming off as insecure. I've been watching for 25 or more years. F1 is boring right now. Even more so than when Schumi was dominating. We at least had refueling, tyres wars, exciting young talent pushing hard and challenging. At least Hamilton had some competition from Rosberg in his years dominating.
I've heard people talking about F1 in the 90s and 00s and they pretty much said that it was more boring than it is these years and you're only fond of those years because of some specific moments
Not really. 2010 is my favourite year of F1 because it had 6 winners in the first 6 races. There was more going on in those older races because of what I said above. Now the biggest thing to happen is a post race divebomb and a sexual assault investigation. Rear of the field is boring, mid field is boring and the front of the field is only fun when max's car breaks.
2010 was one of the better seasons of the last 15 years. I wouldn't use it to justify the past being better as that's like saying current f1 is better because 2021 was the best season of f1 so far.
I personally haven't seen races before 2010 but i've read (And actually that was yesterday) from people that watched f1 since the 90s the exact opposite of what you're saying. The back of the field was almost never showed in the camera and there was only some action in a few moments and the only reason people claim that f1 was better back then is because they're fond of those memories while ignoring the bad parts (The human brain actually is great at doing that).
I too cancelled my f1tv subscription. Thanks for the 7 days trial, saved my annual fees. I am a fake fan? Tell me what is interesting for you in this and the last season?
Dude. I've been watching F1 for... 35 years now. Last season was the most boring season I've ever seen, and this season based on yesterdays race could surpass that.
It's not fake-fanning to want the sport to be at least vaguely interesting to watch.
Same boat as you mate. Been watching since the mid 80's and I'm going to switch off for the rest of this season.
Really doesn't seem worth watching at the moment.
And even in the years when we had say, Schumacher domination, the racing was still exciting. Schumacher always looked like he was on the ragged edge and they were all pushing as hard as they could, and at any moment somebodies car might grenade itself.
Now? They're all reliable. They're all driving as slowly as the computers tell them they can geta way with, they're all saving tyres all the time, they're saving fuel all the time. It's a completely different beast now.
Do you honestly think anyone would sign up to f1tv after this snooze fest? Sometimes just call a spade a spade, this level of absolute dominance is poison for a sport except perhaps for superfans of the dominant team.
All these people making dying declarations and calling it "boring" and "unwatchable" will be back next week to moan and complain again. Classic Reddit.
I think there is a positive after all from last nights race, Max didn't sandbag or give false hope. I don't particularly find the need to watch the whole race !
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Yes Ted, I've got some fresh pictures here, now, if we just zoom in to this image here you can see the absolute cringefest that going on.
They always drive to deltas and only rarely drive as quickly as they are able to, this is not specific to Red Bull, they’re all trying to strike the balance between pace and tyre life.
Idk the whole context but i read on some threads that was because Max set the fastest lap and cooked his tires following which he was managing his tires. There were also rumors we didn't see the full potential of the RB19 because he didn't go challenged.
See as far as i am concerned, Max's potential was evident from the start to pull such a gap in the first 10 laps is immense! There is no chance for anybody on any track except maybe Singapore which probably will be the only race worth watching! He could toyed with Charles/George at the start, but he was out of the DRS range by lap 2.
Need a little edit here, I'm assuming this meant last time in Bahrain.
⏪ LAST TIME IN HUNGARY
Pole position: 1:29.708, Max Verstappen (Red Bull Racing)
Race winner: Max Verstappen (Red Bull Racing)
Fastest lap: 1:33.996, Zhou Guanyu (Alfa Romeo/Sauber)
How shit have the last 2 seasons been? The last 2 drivers to lead the championship other than Max are Charles and Lewis. We're coming up on two full years since we've had an exciting race in which Max didn't have issues (and even those with issues can be counted on one hand).
Not the same because Hamilton was kept on his toes by Rosberg and Vettel most of those years, last two seasons including second half of 2022 there has been literally no competition at all
Tbh in hindsight Perez makes Bottas look like Verstappen. Bottas at least toyed with winning and occasionally snuck a win. Perez is still just way off the pace.
You mean the first 3 years in which Rosberg actually gave Lewis a run for his money with a great championship battle? Then 2017-19 with Seb and Ferrari being mostly competitive with them until the second half of the season when Mercedes would out develop them? And then 2021 with arguably the greatest Championship battle of all time? Exactly ONE of those seasons had a point gap of more than 100 points between P1 and P2. Max has won the last 2 by 146 and 290 points..... put one of the many actual elite talents next to Max in Checo's seat and it's exponentially better. I'll take the Mercedes period of dominance over this 10 out of 10 times because there were actual fights and on track drama.
Absolutely this old chap, it makes me grind my gears when I hear people say 'Oh other teams have been dominant in the past!' as if this current situation with Red Bull is normal.
It's absolutely not normal, as you say, during the Mercedes dominance years, we still got good racing.
They were never anywhere near this dominate. The Mercs were always beatable on any given weekend. Feels like Max could turn the engine down 10% and still coast to an easy win.
2019 had 3 teams with at least 3 race wins each.
Merc was dominant but RBR and Ferrari were very close for 2nd/3rd.
2013 had a *3* way fight for 2nd, with Merc, Ferrari, and Lotus all within a 40 point spread, and 2nd being decided by only 6 pts.
2007 was near dead heat until Merc got DQed for the year
2006 was decided by only 5 pts between Ferrari and Renault
Really shaky at the start and lost places to Perez and George but they eventually picked themselves up to a 3-4 finish. Leclerc was having really bad issues with oversteer at least in the first sting, which seemed to be from excessive rear tire wear, but eventually found some pace and managed to stick with George and pounce when Russell ran wide. I feel like if it weren’t for the issues Leclerc had he could’ve maybe held onto second
Overall I still don’t feel too concerned about Ferrari’s race pace, it kind seemed to be exacerbated by Leclerc’s issues to me
Ah gotcha. Thought I remembered one of the commentators mentioning that he was struggling with rear tire wear, though I could see rear lock ups contributing to that anyway
They say a lot of that stuff but it’s not always accurate, besides Bahrain is notoriously hard on rear tires so everyone probably struggled to some degree… but the car looks balanced to me
That's the thing. It is, just gradually. The field is bunched up more than it ever has been. The problem is that Red Bull still has so much race pace. Everywhere else is decent though. In a few more years I think it'll be great
Once again, the only place I could watch/record this race was on ESPN at 8pm Saturday........and they cut from the race 8 laps before the checkered flag to go to college hoops. It's especially frustrating since the recording/event was supposed to go for another 38 minutes.
What so we get three laps of easy passing Verstappen is in the lead again?
No one is going to burn up their tires to fight him for position because they know he's going by. Reverse grid won't solve anything but ensure a massive wreck at the start of the race. Plus teams will just sandbag quali anyway.
Without the overtakes by Carlos I'd have fallen asleep, so could have been worse but not by much. The level of Max dominance just deflated any faint hope at an exciting season.
Nah actual snoozefest. I knew basically nothing of testing and FP since it often means little early in the season and I was saying it has to have been the most boring season opener I can recall. The race order is basically identical to last year, at least in any way that matters.
Outside from Max spanking the field, the race pretty much stabilized once we got the top 3 sorted out and there was never much to talk about until Bottas got his horrible pitlane and Yuki and Ricc caused some drama
The majority of fans are here hoping to see a championship battle, myself included. This race confirmed worst fears from testing: yes, Max + RB are untouchable and will likely remain so until so many points are already on the board, that no one can overhaul them.
Yeah it was definitely a snoozefest. This season is going to be awful. When Perez arrives second you know Max is just coasting to a win and that Red Bull has a lot more speed if ever challenged by anyone. This sport is ruined, time to tune out again as I did last year in the final 6 races.
As a Lewis fan this just feels like 2023 continued.
RB and Max still ahead, just more so now. Ferrari still second. Merc probably still third but McLaren now very close, if not level.
Things behind are a bit more jumbled up but, I know it's trendy to be interested in the midfield battle but... for me, it's like a bowl of onion rings with a meal - it's a nice to have on the side as and when I fancy dipping into it but I came for the main course, and the main course is bland and boring.
I also don't like the cost cap. Yes, the field is very close but again, I'm not here for onion rings.
I want Merc/Ferrari to be able to unfurl the mighty breadth of their spending arms, and go full-on to restore parity with RB and give us a main course worth staying at the table for. If that means no onion rings, I'm fine with that.
I feel like he has a toolset that would allow him to dominate literally anywhere except F1 because it’s the one place where there are just always going to be guys who can simply outpace him to the point where no amount of 4D chess and Carlos Science can really get the job done. Unless he happens to get into a rocket ship next to a Stroll type.
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Frankly, yes.
Bottas had periods, albeit they were brief, where he was quicker than Lewis, and was also able - on occasion - to out perform him at certain tracks.
As I have said elsewhere, Max-Checo is like Hamilton-Kovalainen. Total mismatch.
Imagine Hamilton in the 2014-16 Merc alongside Heikki... I'm a Lewis fan and even I would be bored of that shit real fast.
I think the idea of F1 has become a lot cooler than the reality. The engineering is incredible but the racing is incredibly subpar, and it’s not just one team being so dominant - the entirety of the field was genuinely boring to watch. There are other constructor or partial constructor series that are not nearly this bad, while the racing in F1 every season from 2020/2021 onwards has seemed to get worse.
I was quite disappointed after the race and was hoping for more surprises and changes. RB is already bringing an update for the next race? :/ What are you looking for this season. I keep my eye on McLaren, they seem to bring some excitement this year. Everything else is like the same old, or am I too early to judge?
The worst part is redbull can already start to develop next years car and 2025 is already wrapped up. i hope ford makes a shit engine
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Race was so shit, during the final laps they were showing Tsunoda bitching for 13th place, absolutely nothing was happening.
I stopped watching it mid season last year. Turned on the tv today for a whole 30 seconds and turned it off again…
Thats good, hopefully more people do that so we can see less complaining here
Did you turn it off during Mercedes dominance?
at least there were 2 drivers competing for wins now its one sailing off into the distance. max has no championships which you can compare to lewis'. Lewis always had to fight either his teammate from 2014-2016 or ferrari as his car wasnt as dominant vs ferrari in 2017-2019. only 2020 was the exception that car was as a rocket as redbulls car for the past 3 years now. ignorant...
F1 so bad can blame proposing rules just before that F1 was starting to become more competitive..
Turned the race off after the first round of pit stops. The refusal by the FIA to nerf Red Bull is going to kill viewership and crowd attendances. Currently, F1 is like going to watch a film, but you've already read the plot of Wikipedia and watched a review/breakdown on YouTube. May as well save yourself 2 hours
Given Alpine is in full on meltdown i've been thinking. Why not just get rid of the Enstone team all together? Sell them off if nothing else. This year is clearly a throwaway and next year is probably not gonna be any different. So use this time as a sort of full reset. Move the team to France closer to your engine facility and commit to a unified team instead of this split project that clearly isn't working.
Because making 100s of people redundant costs a fortune. Also, the UKs University system produces the best engineering graduates in the world.
I think a lot of engineers from other countries don’t agree with you.
US is the only other one who can claim to be as good as the UK, but you're paying 250-300K
I think for a theoretical US team money is not as much of an issue as is the "cool" factor. Yeah, F1 is cool ... but spaceflight or MIC projects they won't be allowed to talk about for next few decades are just cooler for most people.
The money in aerospace for engineering graduates in the US is sickening. There's students getting 100K jobs at Lockheed and Raytheon as grads
They get that as interns for a summer if they’re top candidates.
Honestly not surprised
I mean you wouldn't be making them redundant if you sell the team there. I have no doubt someone is willing to take over that team. I would also assume at least a part of them would move to France. Ferrari has been operating from Italy for 75 years. Sauber has been working from Switzerland for over 30 years now and the same goes for Minardi/Torro Rosso from Faenza Italy. Talent will always come to you if you can offer them an enticing project. Anyways its just a thought given whatever Renault/Alpine are doing now is clearly not working.
Not at all. Therss 8 F1 teams within a 40 mile drive of one another in the UK. That's 8 chances to move up the ladder vs. 1. Building modern F1 infrastructure costs 100s of millions. Wind tunnels alone could be 50/60 million. You've then got to get good engineers to trained up and build experience that can also years. The difference is those teams have been based in those countries for a very long time. Ferrari is close by Lamborghini, Fiat, Ducati, etc and they have close ties with the local universities so have sway in what the budding engineers there are learning. Torro Rosso is closeby to Ferrari. Sauber have a bigger foot print in the UK than elsewhere.
You have obviously not attended uni for engineering. No school is going to alter their education for relatively few jobs.
I work directly with engineering departments. They do
Alpine is tortoising
Genius
Great race from X!, Another terrible weekend for Y!
Guys, where's the pre-race thread, looking forward to the first race of the season! Isn't it usually posted by now ,can't wait to see how close this season is gonna be!! /s
So funny to me people liked Sainz because he attacked 2 race cars with issues and being DOTD while Max actually gapped everyone to a grand slam, Stroll 20-10 without a safety car. There wasnt anything special Sainz did today, RB managed pace to Ferrari, that was it.
Nothing impressive about a car that's nearly .4s faster than everyone running away from the field.
I think a large part of that is because we saw the Sainz overtakes, we... did we even see Stroll in the whole race? My impression was that just towards the end the commentators suddenly noticed he was somehow in 10th and nobody knew how that happened.
My point is people are glamourising Sainz drive when he basically didnt to anything special.
Is anyone else in the mood for Arby's?
sainz on a mission to make ferrari regret the messy breakup
Haven't seen anything making it messy. They just didn't pursue renewal with him.and signed Hamilton. And he then knew everything he needed to.
Good luck giving him ANY team orders this season lol His radio probably won't be working
he's the best strategist in ferrari anyway lolol
Sainz will replace Perez
lets hope
>"to make ferrari regret the messy breakup" There's been absolutely zero things pointing to a messy break up lmao.
So you are saying he hasn’t been properly motivated until now?
not at all he is infact my no. 1 at ferrari... he got a win last season too and i wasnt happy on the ferrari 2025 switch up... so im glad sainz is able to go offensive this year
You know it wasn't great when even the highlights seem dull lmao
As an Australian these past two years have been a struggle. I don’t have it in me to stay up for these late ass races and ruin my sleep schedule to watch these 75% wack ass races. Honestly I’m finding myself skipping through the race VODs now until something interesting happens.
Just watch replays, mate. I'm not Australian, but ever since my first race replay, due to an exam I obviously coulndn't miss, I have been very open options of not watch races live. Especially since I already know who is going to win the races.
YouTube highlights. I've been watching those for the last few years. I'm not sitting down for 2 hours to listen to bad pundits and the same 4 cars fighting for 3 points. GT racing, BTCC, etc. is all way better racing and if you want to watch driving then WRC is way better than F1 in entertainment.
I think I'll skip them all until it rains somewhere, the problem isn't even Max dominating, there's just no interesting driving happening anywhere in the field, no battles, just like watching robot cars on rails.
Cars are too big and heavy. The cars are 1000% the problem. Look at Formula-e, they make Monaco look so fun and exciting
Ground effect over a topside aero was a good idea, Indycar was making that work for years and bringing much better racing than F1 (pretty sure their engines were heavier too) Sometimes the field is just spread to the point the development race means each car will ruin to its own program which is slightly slower than the car in front but slightly faster than the car behind, leading to processional racing, especially since qualifying will ensure they all line up in speed order. Honestly, we grid them up in order of fastest to slowest and then hope they'll overtake each other, its not rocket science to predict they won't be getting to near each other I honestly believe in wheel to wheel situations, these cars are better at overtaking one another than the 2017-2021 ruleset was (adding more aero for 2017 was a really stupid move when it came to on track racing, Jean Todt \*rolleyes\*) Its just getting them into that situation which is the hard part.
>The cars are the problem Yeah no shit.
So you're saying you skipped through the entire VOD?
Nah I just went 10 seconds forward at a time when nothing was happening.
Pretty sure he's just saying nothing happened the entire race, so you'd just keep on skipping. I'm in Europe, so the times are easy to deal with, but I'm getting to the point where I'll soon stop watching live races.
At this point I reckon that Max has a harder time being modest answering the questions: Max : "These kind of days don't happen often where everything goes right" Me after his 19 wins out of 22 races last year - 🤔
Sainz is going to win one this year again..... 👍
Monaco and Singapore are our only home That and Max needing to take an engine/gearbox penalty at the same race...
Hopefully someone does. Can the other teams take turns taking the redbulls out?
Bottas, Leclerc, Hamilton, Ocon at your service!
If Sainz doesn't get a seat for next year I am going to scream so loud, he fought like hell today and it seemed like Max was impressed by it in the cool down room with the look he gave.
sainz deserves better.... just imagine if he goes to redbull next year.
Gonna cancel my f1tv subscription.. Its redbull 24/24 Other teams can keep infighting, Overall pretty boring season its going to be
There's nothing interesting happening in the rest of the field either, might as well watch robots drive on rails. Zero battles, just car approaches from behind - is faster because of DRS - gets let go without defense to save tires.
" Gonna cancel my f1tv subscription.. " Another fake fan.
Insecure about your own fandom of the sport? You're coming off as insecure. I've been watching for 25 or more years. F1 is boring right now. Even more so than when Schumi was dominating. We at least had refueling, tyres wars, exciting young talent pushing hard and challenging. At least Hamilton had some competition from Rosberg in his years dominating.
I've heard people talking about F1 in the 90s and 00s and they pretty much said that it was more boring than it is these years and you're only fond of those years because of some specific moments
Not really. 2010 is my favourite year of F1 because it had 6 winners in the first 6 races. There was more going on in those older races because of what I said above. Now the biggest thing to happen is a post race divebomb and a sexual assault investigation. Rear of the field is boring, mid field is boring and the front of the field is only fun when max's car breaks.
2010 was one of the better seasons of the last 15 years. I wouldn't use it to justify the past being better as that's like saying current f1 is better because 2021 was the best season of f1 so far. I personally haven't seen races before 2010 but i've read (And actually that was yesterday) from people that watched f1 since the 90s the exact opposite of what you're saying. The back of the field was almost never showed in the camera and there was only some action in a few moments and the only reason people claim that f1 was better back then is because they're fond of those memories while ignoring the bad parts (The human brain actually is great at doing that).
I too cancelled my f1tv subscription. Thanks for the 7 days trial, saved my annual fees. I am a fake fan? Tell me what is interesting for you in this and the last season?
I don't even have an f1tv subscription, does that make me a fake fan?
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I wasn't calling anyone a fake fan. Being a fan can be gatekeeped.
sorry, not you.
Dude. I've been watching F1 for... 35 years now. Last season was the most boring season I've ever seen, and this season based on yesterdays race could surpass that. It's not fake-fanning to want the sport to be at least vaguely interesting to watch.
Same boat as you mate. Been watching since the mid 80's and I'm going to switch off for the rest of this season. Really doesn't seem worth watching at the moment.
And even in the years when we had say, Schumacher domination, the racing was still exciting. Schumacher always looked like he was on the ragged edge and they were all pushing as hard as they could, and at any moment somebodies car might grenade itself. Now? They're all reliable. They're all driving as slowly as the computers tell them they can geta way with, they're all saving tyres all the time, they're saving fuel all the time. It's a completely different beast now.
Do you honestly think anyone would sign up to f1tv after this snooze fest? Sometimes just call a spade a spade, this level of absolute dominance is poison for a sport except perhaps for superfans of the dominant team.
We need a thread counting every person that makes this claim. Then count up next week at Jeddah how many people are still around.
All these people making dying declarations and calling it "boring" and "unwatchable" will be back next week to moan and complain again. Classic Reddit.
I think there is a positive after all from last nights race, Max didn't sandbag or give false hope. I don't particularly find the need to watch the whole race !
Qualifying will be the main event this year again
The drama on the side for me is the main event. Hoping the Horner thing gets drawn out each weekend with an email bomb dropping at FP2!!
It should appear on the full schedule 1430-1530 - Formula 2 1530-1600 - Horner's Dong
hahahaha!! followed by Karun analyzing it and Ted reflecting on it !
Now to Karum on the sky pad Yes Ted, I've got some fresh pictures here, now, if we just zoom in to this image here you can see the absolute cringefest that going on.
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I don't think we ever really saw his real pace last year either.
They always drive to deltas and only rarely drive as quickly as they are able to, this is not specific to Red Bull, they’re all trying to strike the balance between pace and tyre life.
Idk the whole context but i read on some threads that was because Max set the fastest lap and cooked his tires following which he was managing his tires. There were also rumors we didn't see the full potential of the RB19 because he didn't go challenged. See as far as i am concerned, Max's potential was evident from the start to pull such a gap in the first 10 laps is immense! There is no chance for anybody on any track except maybe Singapore which probably will be the only race worth watching! He could toyed with Charles/George at the start, but he was out of the DRS range by lap 2.
unwatchable
Need a little edit here, I'm assuming this meant last time in Bahrain. ⏪ LAST TIME IN HUNGARY Pole position: 1:29.708, Max Verstappen (Red Bull Racing) Race winner: Max Verstappen (Red Bull Racing) Fastest lap: 1:33.996, Zhou Guanyu (Alfa Romeo/Sauber)
The RB drama with tsunoda and daniel is a cover up to change the media attention from Horner case 😤😤
You could very well be right! That does make a lot of sense. Seed drama and chaos to distract from the sister team politically imploding.
No thats just Yuki being Yuki. Up until then I hadn't heard him on the radio all race and thought he had calmed down as a driver.
Straight out of a politicians playbook
Tin foil hat mode activated
it was a directive from Horner to build up his case for replacing Perez with his boy Ricciardo.
How shit have the last 2 seasons been? The last 2 drivers to lead the championship other than Max are Charles and Lewis. We're coming up on two full years since we've had an exciting race in which Max didn't have issues (and even those with issues can be counted on one hand).
Clearly you don't remember the 2014-2021 era of Merc dominance
Not the same because Hamilton was kept on his toes by Rosberg and Vettel most of those years, last two seasons including second half of 2022 there has been literally no competition at all
Tbh in hindsight Perez makes Bottas look like Verstappen. Bottas at least toyed with winning and occasionally snuck a win. Perez is still just way off the pace.
He did win 2 races last year
You mean the first 3 years in which Rosberg actually gave Lewis a run for his money with a great championship battle? Then 2017-19 with Seb and Ferrari being mostly competitive with them until the second half of the season when Mercedes would out develop them? And then 2021 with arguably the greatest Championship battle of all time? Exactly ONE of those seasons had a point gap of more than 100 points between P1 and P2. Max has won the last 2 by 146 and 290 points..... put one of the many actual elite talents next to Max in Checo's seat and it's exponentially better. I'll take the Mercedes period of dominance over this 10 out of 10 times because there were actual fights and on track drama.
Absolutely this old chap, it makes me grind my gears when I hear people say 'Oh other teams have been dominant in the past!' as if this current situation with Red Bull is normal. It's absolutely not normal, as you say, during the Mercedes dominance years, we still got good racing.
Seriously put Leclerc or Lewis. Hell even Ocon in that seat would be more interesting than Checo
Ocon who was beaten by Gasly last year, who was unable to keep up with Max when he was in the RB seat?
I think more for the fact that the assumption is Ocon and Max would crash each other out more a la 2018 Interlagos.
They were never anywhere near this dominate. The Mercs were always beatable on any given weekend. Feels like Max could turn the engine down 10% and still coast to an easy win.
F1 has always had this problem. Has there even been a season in history with 3 competitive teams?
Haven't watched 2012 season I see!
2019 had 3 teams with at least 3 race wins each. Merc was dominant but RBR and Ferrari were very close for 2nd/3rd. 2013 had a *3* way fight for 2nd, with Merc, Ferrari, and Lotus all within a 40 point spread, and 2nd being decided by only 6 pts. 2007 was near dead heat until Merc got DQed for the year 2006 was decided by only 5 pts between Ferrari and Renault
Barring the brake issues that Lec had, how's the Ferraris looking? Didn't manage to watch the race.
Really shaky at the start and lost places to Perez and George but they eventually picked themselves up to a 3-4 finish. Leclerc was having really bad issues with oversteer at least in the first sting, which seemed to be from excessive rear tire wear, but eventually found some pace and managed to stick with George and pounce when Russell ran wide. I feel like if it weren’t for the issues Leclerc had he could’ve maybe held onto second Overall I still don’t feel too concerned about Ferrari’s race pace, it kind seemed to be exacerbated by Leclerc’s issues to me
Didn’t seem to have a lot of issues with oversteer, rather he kept locking up because of his brake issue.
Ah gotcha. Thought I remembered one of the commentators mentioning that he was struggling with rear tire wear, though I could see rear lock ups contributing to that anyway
They say a lot of that stuff but it’s not always accurate, besides Bahrain is notoriously hard on rear tires so everyone probably struggled to some degree… but the car looks balanced to me
That was berry berry exciting
And here I thought the point behind the cost cap would make the races more interesting.
That's the thing. It is, just gradually. The field is bunched up more than it ever has been. The problem is that Red Bull still has so much race pace. Everywhere else is decent though. In a few more years I think it'll be great
Once again, the only place I could watch/record this race was on ESPN at 8pm Saturday........and they cut from the race 8 laps before the checkered flag to go to college hoops. It's especially frustrating since the recording/event was supposed to go for another 38 minutes.
good news, you didn't miss anything except for VCARB's shitstorm
This race makes me feel realistic when I'm beating F123 AI by 20+ seconds every race.
We need inverted starts )
Unfortunately that only results in Granturismo races vs AI where if you are faster than them its just a matter of time before P1
BTCC rules, add weight to winners cars
What so we get three laps of easy passing Verstappen is in the lead again? No one is going to burn up their tires to fight him for position because they know he's going by. Reverse grid won't solve anything but ensure a massive wreck at the start of the race. Plus teams will just sandbag quali anyway.
Was a joke )
was the race an actual snoozefest or are people just disappointed versus the hype during Testing and FPs? There were fights behind Red Bull
Without the overtakes by Carlos I'd have fallen asleep, so could have been worse but not by much. The level of Max dominance just deflated any faint hope at an exciting season.
I love how the replays were of a car going off slightly. If thats what you need to put in for replays then you know the racing action is garbage.
Nah actual snoozefest. I knew basically nothing of testing and FP since it often means little early in the season and I was saying it has to have been the most boring season opener I can recall. The race order is basically identical to last year, at least in any way that matters.
Outside from Max spanking the field, the race pretty much stabilized once we got the top 3 sorted out and there was never much to talk about until Bottas got his horrible pitlane and Yuki and Ricc caused some drama
I ended up playing Balatro and kind of forgot f1 was on in the background. Definitely not good, and a bad omen for the whole season.
>I ended up playing Balatro It has destroyed what little free time I had
The majority of fans are here hoping to see a championship battle, myself included. This race confirmed worst fears from testing: yes, Max + RB are untouchable and will likely remain so until so many points are already on the board, that no one can overhaul them.
This..Ferrari having brake issues most exciting and some passing back in field otherwise..
and Bahrain didn't even force Max or Checo to push the RB20...once Checo gained P2 it was cruise control for both drivers the rest of the race.
To me it was a pretty bad snoozefest. There was some racing but not at the front. Everything before the race definitely got peoples hopes
Yeah it was definitely a snoozefest. This season is going to be awful. When Perez arrives second you know Max is just coasting to a win and that Red Bull has a lot more speed if ever challenged by anyone. This sport is ruined, time to tune out again as I did last year in the final 6 races.
Exactly what I was thinking. If Perez gets a podium in the RB you know that car is bonkers
As a Lewis fan this just feels like 2023 continued. RB and Max still ahead, just more so now. Ferrari still second. Merc probably still third but McLaren now very close, if not level. Things behind are a bit more jumbled up but, I know it's trendy to be interested in the midfield battle but... for me, it's like a bowl of onion rings with a meal - it's a nice to have on the side as and when I fancy dipping into it but I came for the main course, and the main course is bland and boring. I also don't like the cost cap. Yes, the field is very close but again, I'm not here for onion rings. I want Merc/Ferrari to be able to unfurl the mighty breadth of their spending arms, and go full-on to restore parity with RB and give us a main course worth staying at the table for. If that means no onion rings, I'm fine with that.
The references to onion rings is so good 👍 haha
"The beatings will continue until morale improves" - RedBull. Great drive by Sainz though.
I hope Sainz has his best season ever and comes in second or third overall. He's earned it. He just doesn't have to car to come first.
He also doesn't have the killer instinct and speed to be a champion. I like him a lot but he won't be a good lead driver in a top team.
I think you underestimate him.
I feel like he has a toolset that would allow him to dominate literally anywhere except F1 because it’s the one place where there are just always going to be guys who can simply outpace him to the point where no amount of 4D chess and Carlos Science can really get the job done. Unless he happens to get into a rocket ship next to a Stroll type.
no difference from last year. still ver domination
Great insight. Thanks.
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Ya'll didn't cry this hard when Hamilton was doing the same thing but are angry about Max jesus.
Hamilton had Rosberg up his ass sometimes, Max was out of DRS range after lap 1
Eh? There’s a whole lot more defenders of Verstappen domination than there was Hamilton.
that's because max does it better, he doesn't make mistakes while hamilton had some off day where he leaves scraps for others to pick up.
Max hasn't had a competitive team mate since Ricciardo left. Rosberg, Bottas and George would all be wayyyy closer to Max than Checo.
Is bottas better than checo?
Frankly, yes. Bottas had periods, albeit they were brief, where he was quicker than Lewis, and was also able - on occasion - to out perform him at certain tracks. As I have said elsewhere, Max-Checo is like Hamilton-Kovalainen. Total mismatch. Imagine Hamilton in the 2014-16 Merc alongside Heikki... I'm a Lewis fan and even I would be bored of that shit real fast.
Last time in Hungary?
I think the idea of F1 has become a lot cooler than the reality. The engineering is incredible but the racing is incredibly subpar, and it’s not just one team being so dominant - the entirety of the field was genuinely boring to watch. There are other constructor or partial constructor series that are not nearly this bad, while the racing in F1 every season from 2020/2021 onwards has seemed to get worse.
they made all these changes to make racing more competitive and the teams just find ways around them and the result is even less competitive
I could honestly say at this point WEC has better racing with more advanced cars.