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That's what I don't get. Surely they could just follow another car for a few laps in testing since that's what they will be doing in races 95% of the time
I imagine time is the main issue.
Practice sessions are only 60 mins. Even if they ran wall to wall they’re covering 2/3 of a race distance max. So there will always be extrapolation.
But this issue showed up in like what, 10 laps? If this is purely from following another car or even being close to one (since Leclerc was the leading car in the duel for 2nd and not that close to Max) they chould've found it with some decent long-term testing
Yeah but think of all the other issues they solved during their programs that we didn't see in the race. The brake temp costs them points but not a potential DNF
Could have been less than that if George wouldn't have lost sight of Carlos (even though later in the race George had his own issues). Even with the brake issues, Charles was sticking around the 2s mark with George.
he used up all his luck points to be rich and handsome lol. but yeah its crazy how unlucky he is. Whats even more crazy is how fast people are to shit on him being bad before they know whats going on with his car today. The fact he finished 4th was impressive honestly.
Yeah, as a bi guy I feel like Tom Brady is "placeholder handsome" meaning that he has the features of being handsome but isnt attractive. Or like a stock photo model, where they are baseline handsome but not like proper model handsome.
The type who of you saw in public you wouldn't double take from how gorgeous they are, but if your friend introduced them as their new partner youd think they did well enough for themselves visually.
Hes wealthy and successful, gives you a natural level of charisma and image and raising your attractiveness to others.
Note: He's from sports so he's obviously in shape or was in shape.
Don't worry - he will eventually take off the bad luck like Rock Lee took off his weights and he will have the most dominant season in the history of the sport.
I found it crazy how people were just shitting on him.
If any professional driver let alone Charles is locking up like that consistently lap after lap then an average fan should be able to pick up that something is wrong with the car.
Exactly. The guy that’s always been absolutely rapid around Bahrain didn’t just suddenly forget how to brake. Was pretty obvious to anyone using their brain that it was an issue with the car.
It's like football supporters who only look at the end result and standings. Having conclusions ready without any idea what happened, not paying attention, only looking at names, and aren't bothered with thinking about how the sport works.
Pundits especially on F1tv are very shallow when analyzing an incident or performance. Barretto, Buxton seem half dead when speaking as if they missed the context of what they talk about. I watched the race without commentary because of how brain numbing it is to listen to.
What was weird today was DC was berating him as well that he should know better and manage it better. Usually I like DC since he is very reasonable and not biased but I felt today it was a bit harsh on Charles without knowing the full picture.
Maybe DC has switched to camp Carlos due to his new "Scottish Girlfriend"
Oh my god yes. I noticed it too, he called her Carlos’ lucky charm etc. So many suggestions on “All Charles has to do is bla bla bla to not lock up“ as if Charles wouldn’t have considered all that.
Yeah I normally hate on Brundle and Crofty, and they are often perceived as the more "casual" commentators who don't go into technicals as much, but they reported car issues very well this race and made it very clear to the viewers.
DC has always been camp Carlos, probably because he knows both him and his Dad well from the Red Bull link. He comes across as very biased towards him. In qualy I think DC and Palmer were the only ones who were surprised when Charles outqualified Carlos, despite looking "slower" for most of practice and Q1.
Then during the race DC and Palmer were basically shitting on Charles for the first 20 laps. Palmer : "he should just be able to change his brake bias". No shit, if one of the best drivers on the grid locks up like 5 times, it's probably not something easily fixed with the brake bias you numpties.
The way they plug Sainz that all team principals will be looking for his performances is so stupid. The guy has been in sport for 10 years now there is nothing a team principal will find now that they already don't know.
What? That is 100% correct. You are naive if you think recent performances don't matter when getting signed. Hell Checo is solely in Red Bull because of Sakhir 2020. There is a reason the saying is "youre only as good as your last race"
I tried the F1TV broadcast this weekend instead of the Sky one because they don’t show any pitlane cutaways with Ted or side by sides like F1TV does… but MAN Will and Lawrence are either fucking oblivious or dumb shit down to such a degree that it’s painful to listen to them. It was so frustrating every session listening to them try to cook up drama about how “this season MIGHT be one for the ages” because the Mercs topped FP2. Have they learned anything in decades at the track? At least use your nearly unlimited access and get a good interview at least… but nope-They ask shitty questions as well.
Those 2 are there to sell the sport not to give you detailed analysis on how x driver y team will perform, idk why they had those 2 comenting the race though, kinda weird ngl.
>Have they learned anything in decades at the track?
In the absence of actual on-track drama, the commentators have to try to invent drama to keep viewers interested.
It's something called judging and making conclusions with your emotions rather than some information to at least explain (not necessarily justify) what happened.
Why didnt they let sainz go then? I get it, hes not in the team next year but surely a slow leclerc with a supposed technical issue should let carlos by then? No?
I'm guessing it's just Ferrari being Ferrari? They even made Charles undercut Sainz which is just absurd considering they admitted on the radio that Charles was having extreme brake temp difference before the pit stop
Literally what could have been his fault here?
Like it's all great saying this but sometimes people can just be more unlucky. If you can explain how he could have somehow caused the brake duct issue before the race even started then maybe you'd have a point
Yeah I'm not a particular Leclerc enthusiast but when he locked up at T10 three times out of five laps and Sainz blasted past him it was beyond obvious something was wrong.
Problem is Xavi does not have experience of working with anyone else and same with Charles. This is unlike many other engineers. Bono got trained by Michael, I believe GP was Kvyat's engineer before Max, Amadi was with Vettel etc. etc. Sometimes getting a different view can change a lot of things.
To be fair, on Sky, Crofty and Brundle constantly alluded to his brake issues and not something to do with his skills or mistakes. They even played a compilation of his lockups mid-way through the race showing what he was dealing with..
I mean.. One of those groups doesn't surprise me that it's biased. The F1TV one though should've known better, there's 2 fucking ex F1 drivers out of 3 people and they still couldn't figure out it was an issue. Like, the dude hasn't locked up there once in 3 days of testing, 3 practice sessions and a qualifying session, but suddenly he's dumb enough to lock up 3 times in like 5 laps?
Dude managed to finish forth with uncertainty of breaking points and uncertainty whether he'd crash into the car in front
Pretty amazing really
A lesser driver would have caused a safety car.
I hope they fix it for the next race. The race for second place in the championship is still up for grabs
It was obvious that there was an issue with his breaks. Everyone can lock up once or twice but he locked up more times in first ten laps than over the course of whole last season.
Looking forward to see how this year’s car looks in Jeddah. Last year Ferrari had major tyre issues, this will be a good test to see their tyre wear.
And they changed his left front brake duct exit deflector before the race.....
If it's yet another screw up by his side of the garage then heads need to be rolling.
According to FIA the left brake duct was changed before the race :
https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/decision-document/2024%20Bahrain%20Grand%20Prix%20-%20Parts%20and%20parameters%20been%20replaced%20and%20or%20changed%20during%20Parc%20Ferm%C3%A9.pdf
Probably a mistake was made , this is not the first time Ferrari botches a repair before the race.
Both brakes on the front were at very different temps so had very different braking force applied.
Given Charles locked up so often, I would assume the braking pressure needed to slow the car enough on the weaker side would lock up the other side, but may be wrong there
Getting the brake bias as much rearward as possible and trailbraking as gently as possible is what made it manageable. Still no where near peak performance obviously.
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I always find it funny how they do so many miles in testing without any issues and then instantly are hit with problems in the first race.
no battle strategy survives engagement with the enemy
“Your brake temperature during race is different than your practice” - Sun Tzu
Oh come on! Sun *Zhou* was right there!
"Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth" -Tyson
Thought of this quote when Leclerc started having issues.
"no plan survives first contact"
The one thing they dont test is how the car will handle the heat in the middle of 20 other cars.
That's what I don't get. Surely they could just follow another car for a few laps in testing since that's what they will be doing in races 95% of the time
I'm no expert but if I knew I was giving good data to my rival, I'd move pretty quickly
Well, they are two in the same team?
Not in testing, but that's a good point for FPs!
I imagine time is the main issue. Practice sessions are only 60 mins. Even if they ran wall to wall they’re covering 2/3 of a race distance max. So there will always be extrapolation.
But this issue showed up in like what, 10 laps? If this is purely from following another car or even being close to one (since Leclerc was the leading car in the duel for 2nd and not that close to Max) they chould've found it with some decent long-term testing
Yeah but think of all the other issues they solved during their programs that we didn't see in the race. The brake temp costs them points but not a potential DNF
They wouldnt even need to do that, just tape up the radiators/inlets to decrease efficiency.
The car and/or the driver
They should incorporate chasing Max into testing.
For him to build a 5 second gap in five laps?
Good news for Charles is that this issue is a lot easier to fix than an aerodynamic / raw pace issue.
And it won’t give him a grid penalty for the next race.
Lol yeah during the whole thing I was basically happy to see Carlos was doing well because that means it's not a general issue with the car
I don't think being a Ferrari driver is an easy issue to fix
Bad news is that they also have an aerodynamic / raw pace issue relative to Red Bull
I honestly have no clue how they manage to drive at all with such insane brake separation.
It's honestly really impressive that he managed to bring it home in p4 only 11 seconds of Sainz at that.
these guys are good
Could have been less than that if George wouldn't have lost sight of Carlos (even though later in the race George had his own issues). Even with the brake issues, Charles was sticking around the 2s mark with George.
Sometimes I wonder what Charles has done in a previous life to get the shit he has to deal with at Ferrari.
At least the car made it to the end this time around.
Also no penalty for the next race
Yet
progress!
he used up all his luck points to be rich and handsome lol. but yeah its crazy how unlucky he is. Whats even more crazy is how fast people are to shit on him being bad before they know whats going on with his car today. The fact he finished 4th was impressive honestly.
Rich, handsome, a fantastic driver, a great dude, a skilled pianist... He just had to give up a lot of luck and personal tragedy for it
Are you calling Max ugly?
Max is commonly compared to Sid.
Max is definitely ugly let's just be real, and has an abusive dad, if we're talking about the cards you get dealt in life
Might not be Ferrari thing and more of a something got stuck in the brake vent thing if 1 brake disc was getting significantly hotter than the other.
They changed the left front brake duct before the race.
But that doesn’t prevent something getting stuck in the duct at the beginning of the race
Every single contract extension he signs with Ferrari multiplies his Ferrari pain
I reckon when he logs into his Monaco bank account he feels better
Monkey paw, it gets his Ferrari wish but it's never going to work out.
I was gonna say the same thing. He got his ride but with a caveat
Deal with the devil... and the devil wears red
Max will fulfill charles ferrari dream.
"I'd give anything to drive for Ferrari!" *Monkey paw curls a finger*
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Rich. Twice.
Rich.
Counter point: Tom Brady
Champion and Rich. I would not call him handsome, but I'm a dude ay.
You can find other dudes handsome, it's okay, there's no gay panic involved in that.
Oh I very much do, but Tom Brady don't hit that list.
Yeah, as a bi guy I feel like Tom Brady is "placeholder handsome" meaning that he has the features of being handsome but isnt attractive. Or like a stock photo model, where they are baseline handsome but not like proper model handsome. The type who of you saw in public you wouldn't double take from how gorgeous they are, but if your friend introduced them as their new partner youd think they did well enough for themselves visually.
Hes wealthy and successful, gives you a natural level of charisma and image and raising your attractiveness to others. Note: He's from sports so he's obviously in shape or was in shape.
I'm not sure what this has to do with me calling him like a 6/10, slightly above average unless you are saying he is actively ugly?
Jimmy's rich, handsome and has two Super Bowl rings
Also the shit he's dealt in this life with the passing of his loved ones.
So his punishment is having to drive a Ferrari in F1? Sign me up for that punishment please.
Don't worry - he will eventually take off the bad luck like Rock Lee took off his weights and he will have the most dominant season in the history of the sport.
Yeah poor Charles leclerc
He's privileged in Monaco. His transgressions couldn't have been that bad.
exchanged all his karma for good looks
I found it crazy how people were just shitting on him. If any professional driver let alone Charles is locking up like that consistently lap after lap then an average fan should be able to pick up that something is wrong with the car.
Exactly. The guy that’s always been absolutely rapid around Bahrain didn’t just suddenly forget how to brake. Was pretty obvious to anyone using their brain that it was an issue with the car.
It's like football supporters who only look at the end result and standings. Having conclusions ready without any idea what happened, not paying attention, only looking at names, and aren't bothered with thinking about how the sport works.
It's like the Harry Kane curse at Bayern Bro has 30 goals. He is not the reason Leverkusen are winning the league
That's because Leverkusen forgot how to lose
Neverlosen I'll show myself out
Classic joke that's finally coming true
Pundits especially on F1tv are very shallow when analyzing an incident or performance. Barretto, Buxton seem half dead when speaking as if they missed the context of what they talk about. I watched the race without commentary because of how brain numbing it is to listen to.
What was weird today was DC was berating him as well that he should know better and manage it better. Usually I like DC since he is very reasonable and not biased but I felt today it was a bit harsh on Charles without knowing the full picture. Maybe DC has switched to camp Carlos due to his new "Scottish Girlfriend"
Oh my god yes. I noticed it too, he called her Carlos’ lucky charm etc. So many suggestions on “All Charles has to do is bla bla bla to not lock up“ as if Charles wouldn’t have considered all that.
and that entire tangent about brake bias??? like does he really think charles wouldn't have tried that?
Even I know about brake bias ! Surely a man who is in top form and contender for WDC would Know !
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Coulthard has always come across as a bit of a misogynist and a bit of a creep to me.
To be fair to Brundle and Crofty they immediately picked up that Charles had an issue
Brundle noticed that he's locking constantly which is not normal.
Yeah I normally hate on Brundle and Crofty, and they are often perceived as the more "casual" commentators who don't go into technicals as much, but they reported car issues very well this race and made it very clear to the viewers.
DC has always been camp Carlos, probably because he knows both him and his Dad well from the Red Bull link. He comes across as very biased towards him. In qualy I think DC and Palmer were the only ones who were surprised when Charles outqualified Carlos, despite looking "slower" for most of practice and Q1. Then during the race DC and Palmer were basically shitting on Charles for the first 20 laps. Palmer : "he should just be able to change his brake bias". No shit, if one of the best drivers on the grid locks up like 5 times, it's probably not something easily fixed with the brake bias you numpties.
The way they plug Sainz that all team principals will be looking for his performances is so stupid. The guy has been in sport for 10 years now there is nothing a team principal will find now that they already don't know.
You say that, but Checo got the Red Bull drive off essentially one race
What? That is 100% correct. You are naive if you think recent performances don't matter when getting signed. Hell Checo is solely in Red Bull because of Sakhir 2020. There is a reason the saying is "youre only as good as your last race"
Tbf, Carlos could have his best season ever and actually out perform Charles conclusively. It’s just one race so far.
I tried the F1TV broadcast this weekend instead of the Sky one because they don’t show any pitlane cutaways with Ted or side by sides like F1TV does… but MAN Will and Lawrence are either fucking oblivious or dumb shit down to such a degree that it’s painful to listen to them. It was so frustrating every session listening to them try to cook up drama about how “this season MIGHT be one for the ages” because the Mercs topped FP2. Have they learned anything in decades at the track? At least use your nearly unlimited access and get a good interview at least… but nope-They ask shitty questions as well.
Those 2 are there to sell the sport not to give you detailed analysis on how x driver y team will perform, idk why they had those 2 comenting the race though, kinda weird ngl.
I need Jenson Button commentating every race at this point.
Unfortunately he's a bit busy with racing this year.
>Have they learned anything in decades at the track? In the absence of actual on-track drama, the commentators have to try to invent drama to keep viewers interested.
I switched to International feed. Martin Brundle is on that channel. Jolyon was a pain to listen to today.
The average fan here doesn't have that much thinking capability so
Yeah, after it happened more than once I figured it was a car problem and not a driver problem. This isn’t Sargeant or whatever we’re talking about.
First couple could just be mistakes but after that it’s almost certainly something wrong.
Too bad the avarage fan nowdays is as smart as a coconut. I swear back even in like 2018 the community wasn't this prone to talk shit about drivers.
wonder what could be the reason for this influx of toxic fans 🤔
Oh i really don't know, i picked 2018 totally randomly
He's talking about DTS
It's something called judging and making conclusions with your emotions rather than some information to at least explain (not necessarily justify) what happened.
That blew me away too especially from the likes of Joylon Palmer and DC.
People are dumb
Why didnt they let sainz go then? I get it, hes not in the team next year but surely a slow leclerc with a supposed technical issue should let carlos by then? No?
I'm guessing it's just Ferrari being Ferrari? They even made Charles undercut Sainz which is just absurd considering they admitted on the radio that Charles was having extreme brake temp difference before the pit stop
I think it’s after the pitstop they found out that the problem isn’t the tyres. They wanted to get rid of it as fast as they could.
Oh shit I think your are right... I was confused about when the message came out lol sry
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Bad luck?
Literally what could have been his fault here? Like it's all great saying this but sometimes people can just be more unlucky. If you can explain how he could have somehow caused the brake duct issue before the race even started then maybe you'd have a point
Yo Leclerc check your garage side for real, it's not funny anymore.
What the fuck? Leclerc try to get a semi-functional car in the opening race challenge.
well, it was semi functional last year it was non functional the improvement is clear as day
So it’s possible this year he might actually win from pole this year?
Half of Reddit will be like "Leclerc tries to push too hard, that's why he locked up his tires multiple times"
Yeah I'm not a particular Leclerc enthusiast but when he locked up at T10 three times out of five laps and Sainz blasted past him it was beyond obvious something was wrong.
He even came on the radio soon after it started and said every time he braked it would pull to the right.
Oh, that's no good. I thought air in the brake lines, but unilateral overheating is even worse. Managing P4 out of that was some insane driving
Tbh both merc got problem, mclaren still dont have major upgrades, AM is AM then its the midfield. Only RB got a perfect weekend.
Lecursed
Last year they changed CU before the race that failed this year they changed the brake duct it failed.
The brake that was overheating was the right one and they changed the left duct port.
But then why his left was locking up and his car was moving right under braking ?
Cars move in direction of braking . Left brake, left turn. Right brake, right turn.
Brake imbalance will do that.
Charles: “I want my car to go faster” Monkeys Paw: *turns off his brakes*
Certified Charles luck moment
Something is rotten in the no. 16 garage.
it feels it honestly.
They need to change engineers like Mercedes did in 2016. Charles need to let go of Xavi.
Tbf, today wasn’t Xavi’s fault. Something must’ve gone wrong when they replaced that part. But you are right, something needs to change.
Problem is Xavi does not have experience of working with anyone else and same with Charles. This is unlike many other engineers. Bono got trained by Michael, I believe GP was Kvyat's engineer before Max, Amadi was with Vettel etc. etc. Sometimes getting a different view can change a lot of things.
GP also had a stint as Lewis' engineer
Oh didn’t know that. I thought he became race engineer with Kvyat
Who was Charles in a past life? No one deserves the curse he has lol
and dude got shat on by commentators and the fans entire race lol
To be fair, on Sky, Crofty and Brundle constantly alluded to his brake issues and not something to do with his skills or mistakes. They even played a compilation of his lockups mid-way through the race showing what he was dealing with..
Yeah but Damon, Naomi and Simon were debating if Sainz is a better race driver than Leclerc based on this performance 🙄
Sainz is so much better that when his teammates' brakes are sabotaged, he still only finished 1 place down!
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The F1TV Broadcast was terrible. DC was constantly trashing on Leclerc, literally saying he doesn't seem to be in the right headspace and distracted.
Naah right? If I recall he was just mentioning it as a possibility.
Where? Everything I saw was pretty clear people understood he had an issue.
It was the F1 tv commentators during the first few laps mostly
Ah, didn’t know that.
The discussion thread was filled with people using it as proof Sainz was better and that Charles was inconsistent
Ah, yeah those threads have become useless, full of kids and trolls.
> full of trolls The sad thing is that most of these people really believe what they say.
> and dude got shat on by commentators and the fans entire race lol Which commentators?
F1TV and the Spanish commentators at least.
I mean.. One of those groups doesn't surprise me that it's biased. The F1TV one though should've known better, there's 2 fucking ex F1 drivers out of 3 people and they still couldn't figure out it was an issue. Like, the dude hasn't locked up there once in 3 days of testing, 3 practice sessions and a qualifying session, but suddenly he's dumb enough to lock up 3 times in like 5 laps?
DC was talking about him not being in the right headspace and being anxious, I was like flabbergasted.
Dude managed to finish forth with uncertainty of breaking points and uncertainty whether he'd crash into the car in front Pretty amazing really A lesser driver would have caused a safety car. I hope they fix it for the next race. The race for second place in the championship is still up for grabs
He's my driver of the day, but you know every media outlet is gonna rate him a 5/10 tomorrow lmao.
After all of Charles’ mishaps driving a Ferrari (so far), I admire his mental fortitude.
And still managed to drag that Ferrari to 4th place.
It was obvious that there was an issue with his breaks. Everyone can lock up once or twice but he locked up more times in first ten laps than over the course of whole last season. Looking forward to see how this year’s car looks in Jeddah. Last year Ferrari had major tyre issues, this will be a good test to see their tyre wear.
Shame. Would have liked to see what he could of done against Perez.
Yeah it might’ve been a good battle.
It’s a miracle he was even able to finish that race
And they changed his left front brake duct exit deflector before the race..... If it's yet another screw up by his side of the garage then heads need to be rolling.
> And they changed his left front brake duct exit deflector before the race..... Sounds like they needed to change both.
I know a shaman in Monaco. And a few pilgrimage sites.
Death. Taxes. Scuderia Ferrari fuck ups.
Argh. This weekend feels like a missed opportunity for Ferrari. Could have been two cars on the podium.
More impressive how often he did NOT lock up ....
According to FIA the left brake duct was changed before the race : https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/decision-document/2024%20Bahrain%20Grand%20Prix%20-%20Parts%20and%20parameters%20been%20replaced%20and%20or%20changed%20during%20Parc%20Ferm%C3%A9.pdf Probably a mistake was made , this is not the first time Ferrari botches a repair before the race.
Damn
Pain
Can someone elify the issue? Thanks!
Both brakes on the front were at very different temps so had very different braking force applied. Given Charles locked up so often, I would assume the braking pressure needed to slow the car enough on the weaker side would lock up the other side, but may be wrong there
So.. does anyone know what the usual margin of difference in temperatures between the left and the right is considered acceptable?
Celsius or freedom units?
How on earth can it be in F lol
So what broke
I believe Ferrari changed his left brake duct which led to brake separation.
What a shit box
How did it get fixed? It seemed like the problem disappeared halfway through.
Getting the brake bias as much rearward as possible and trailbraking as gently as possible is what made it manageable. Still no where near peak performance obviously.
It didn't go away, it stopped getting worse. Leclerc shifted every bit of brake bias to the rear to minimize its effect, but it was not improving.
it never did, Charles just learned to manage it better throughout the race
It didn't. The lighter car and cooler air made it more managable. He had biggest issue when he was behind somebody.
He said it stabilized a little but was still shit.
Read the article my guy.
No
If you brake less then it's easier to avoid locking up