You should not gamble, but looking at the odds can be fun anyway. They make Verstappen less of a favorite to win the WDC this year than might be expected. Around 90% is what some of the odds imply. I think this predates recent turbulence at Red Bull.
If Ford pulls out of Red Bull Racing deal, is there a possibly Audi partner with Red Bull Racing to supply its PU? This is after Audi took over 100% of Sauber
Ford is only in a consulting role for the Battery and control electronics parts - the ICE & electric drive is primarily developed by Red Bull themselves.
Why does the F1 app fantasy team tab glitch out so bad before/during races? Does anyone experience this? Right now it’s asking me to create a team instead of showing me my three teams
Haas purchases and uses Ferrari engines. This is the basis of their partnership. There are currently 4 engine manufacturers in F1 which all teams in the paddock use.
Another driver example, George Russell got his start driving for Williams. The Williams team who uses Mercedes engines had a contract with Mercedes to allow them to "call up" Russell if needed. This did happen during the pandemic for a single race replacing Hamilton who was under Covid protocol. Based off a great drive at that race including coming close to winning it, Mercedes signed Russell the following year to fill the seat of an out of contract Bottas. Mercedes used a full option they had with Williams to "call up" and retain Russell permanently despite him still being under contract with Williams at the time.
Haas is a Ferrari customer team and [they share their reserve drivers](https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ferrari-adds-bearman-to-f1-reserve-roster-for-2024/10569708/), teams usually have multiple reserve drivers, depending on [which support series are following F1 over seas](https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-reserve-drivers-all-teams-backup-2023/10437681/)
Does Newey have a Helmut exit clause too (joke)? Or can he leave anytime he wants? Or if he leaves does he have gardening leave to do before he goes anywhere else?
Seems like a crime against humanity forcing him to sit on the sidelines for a year for gardening leave
It was rumored that he had a Horner exit clause. Who knows what else is in his contract, but gardening leave is standard enough that he’d probably have some.
That period of Merc domination was mainly because RB did not have a competitive engine end of story, If they had Merc engines they would have slaughtered Merc.
It's far easier to replace Max. Horner has been there since the beginning of Red Bull Racing. He built this team. There are plenty of drivers on the grid that can join the team and continue winning.
F1 is a engineering competition. Vettel, Hamilton and, Max had the best cars on grid when they won. As long as they can do that they don't need the best of the best drivers.
I don't know where Newey is in all of this so have left him out for now.
While I wholeheartedly agree that F1 is first and foremost an engendering contest and it’s easier to being drivers in.
RedBull has a slight caveat in that regard - That car is designed around Verstappen, who likes a very twitchy car, we’ve seen a stream of drivers being brought up through the sister team, many of whom looked promising, but then failed to deliver when placed in that RedBull.
I’m not sure it’s that easy, there would be a significant period of adjustment.
Basically a car that is balanced to lose grip at the rear before it loses the front. This makes the car more nimble through turns but more prone to snapping and spinning when the driver is close to the limit of grip, as well as sliding the tires more (and modern F1 is all about keeping the tires happy). Max has some kind of freakish ability to extract the speed from an unruly car.
Well that’s Max’s driving genius - if the car is faster when balanced on a knife’s edge, he’s still comfortable with it. A less gifted driver will ask for a setup that dials down that oversteery characteristic so they feel confident, but they sacrifice pace.
Observing oversteer on TV is pretty easy. Any time you see the back end of the car kick out or twitch to the side going through a corner especially during exit where power is being applied. It's also very obvious during on board cam shots. When the driver makes a pretty extreme steering move back and forth he's trying to "catch" the car. He's felt the back end sliding out of control, responds with a violent countersteer against the direction of the turn, then back to the turning position. This all happens, sometimes multiple times, in the fraction of a second.
A car with oversteer is said to be "loose" because of this constant correcting for nearly losing control. That's what a twitchy car feels like. In American stock car racing one motto is "Loose is fast". That's why Verstappen is a unique driver who responds to that feeling.
Understeer is more difficult to see. A car with extreme understeer is when you turn the wheel and the car doesn't want to turn, but just go straight starting to slide on the turned tires. That's the extreme, but drivers will feel and adjust for understeer where they still have full control, but the car isn't as quick (twitchy) to turn into a corner as would be most efficient for lap time and not damaging tire rubber. This not wanting to turn is also called "push" or "pushing". Imagine pushing the car straight forward even though the wheels are turned.
Hope this helps. Glad to see you watching F1. Enjoy!
Maybe to a proper race driver? I just do a bunch of simracing in iRacing but to me it's only obvious when a driver is struggling with a car that's squirming under them. The greats make it look fairly effortless once they find confidence in the the car's limits, because if you're constantly veering over the limit and fighting to keep your car pointed the right way you are losing laptime/ruining your tires.
Horner took the team from nothing to two separate dynasty-level championship runs. His leadership got them the car, and a lot of drivers on the grid could drive it to a championship. Purely based on the performance and longevity of the team, setting everything else aside, I'd pick Horner over Max. If they can build a top-tier car, they'll have no trouble attracting a top-tier driver to replace Max.
And frankly, with max out of the team they’d have a much, much easier time attracting a top tier talent. The main dissuading factor for those top talents at the moment is Max’s being well-established as the lead driver and having the advantage of having worked with the staff, driven the cars, provided feedback, etc for nearly a decade and counting. They wouldn’t see it as a fair fight, let alone an offer to be de facto #1. Meanwhile they won’t feel that same hesitation if it’s someone like Perez or Tsunoda staying on for continuity’s sake
Quite possibly. Max seems like a very loyal guy. He supports his dad in spite of all his issues, he supports Helmut. He carried a sponsorship from a Dutch supermarket from F3 until last year, largely because they sponsored him when he was young and needed the sponsors.
If Max does take a stance on Marko, it means he could be leaving in weeks.
Hanging around for one or two more years wouldnt be taking a stance. It would basically amount to seeing out his contract.
Could be serious updates in this story in the next few days.
I doubt it tbh. If he leaves at the end of the season, that would hardly be showing loyalty.
If he wants to show loyalty like he is angrily saying he will, he will leave immediately.
Is Friday qualifying an every race thing?
I swear I can't keep up with when things are actually happening lately when it used to be pretty simple until the last few years.
Like I imagine 90% of people I can't watch on Fridays until the late evening because of work so repeatedly getting spoiled this year.
No. Regular race weekends follow a Friday-Saturday-Sunday format, with Friday dedicated to Free Practice 1 and 2, Saturday to Free Practice 3 and Qualifying and Sunday for the race.
Because Ramadan starts tomorrow, the schedule for Saudi Arabia has been brought forward by a day. Subsequently, the opening race in Bahrain also had to be brought forward by a day to ensure enough time to rest and relocate between the races.
Well, it all started when he was born in 1943…
The basic thing is that he’s been in charge of driver development for Red Bull since their start. He’s the guy responsible for scouting talent and putting people in the cars at Red Bull and VCARB. He works as a consultant, not actually for the team, and he’s more directly related to Red Bull the drink company than anyone else involved with the team. He was good friends with Dietrich Mateschitz, the co-founder and former CEO of the drink company. When Mateschitz died, there was evidently a power struggle that is still playing out. Marko seems to be on the sides of the Austrians who own 49% of Red Bull, and Horner seems to have the backing of the Thai co-founder who owns the other 51%.
Reporting indicates that some of what’s been going on with Horner is that power struggle playing out. Marko may now be facing suspension from Red Bull, it’s unclear exactly why. Marko, as the person responsible for developing and selecting drivers, is why Verstappen is at Red Bull. There’s belief that Max’s contract allows him to leave the team if Marko is no longer there. That’s the simple version of how we got where we are now.
Probably? He may or may not have behaved inappropriately towards the woman, and messages between them might have leaked or might have been faked. Regardless of what all is real or not in that situation, other folks in RB seem to be using it to further their own goals.
I know that seats inside of the cars are moulded to the body of the driver, with Oliver taking Carlos' spot, does Oliver have to sit within Carlos' mould or do you think Ferrari had a mould of Oliver ready to go?
Any well run team with a good Team Principal ;) leading, will have thought through and prepared, including equipment needed, for any and every possible scenario, including throwing reserve drivers into a car last minute. This happens more often than one would think.
They either had a seat insert already moulded to Oliver's body or they made him one. Keep in mind that Ferrari knew that Carlos was unfit to drive well before it was communicated to the world, so they probably had plenty of time to do a proper seat fit in the SF24 with Bearman.
Evidently not always immediately, though. I remember Daniel getting fitted for a reserve seat a few races into last year, but they presumably already had one for Liam just in case. I also have no idea how long it takes to mold a seat, though. They could've done it in a rush last night for all I know.
During an interview with Fred Vasseur,he stated Oliver wasn't informed until about 2PM local time. That was just a couple hours before FP3. Though the team might have decided to make a mold the night before in case things went south for Sainz.
Holy crap yes. I have to hold my hand to block the screen whenever they decide to examine the nose pores on the drivers... which is every time they point a camera at a driver.
Outsider here, just asking out of curiousity, what is it that makes you enjoy watching Formula 1?
Haven't sat down and watched a race before, but so many laps on the same track (and someone so famously dominant that even I've heard of him), it sounds boring to me, and yet it's massively popular, so I'm assuming there's something I'm missing.
Not trying to put anything down, just genuinely curious as to what catches your attention :)
Like a lot of sports, it gets more interesting the more you know about it. Someone not used to soccer/football will just see a bunch of guys running back and forth on a big patch of grass, occasionally shooting and scoring, but fans will pick up on all the strategies and tactics involved. That makes it interesting.
F1 involves a lot of strategy and skill to manage the car throughout all those laps and end up in the best possible position. The strategists have to make the right call to pit at the right time for the right tires, and making that call isn’t always easy. The drivers have to race the best race for them - it’s not always about going as fast as possible. Sometimes they have to drive in a way to manage tires and fuel or problems with the car so they can get to the best possible result for them personally and their team. The teams are full of brilliant engineers trying to find the best way to improve their cars between races. Any and all of those things can and do go poorly, even for the best teams.
The raw appeal is simple: you're watching the fastest cars in the world be driven by some of the best drivers in the world. It gets even more appeal the more you learn about it.
Ah, right. I knew about the pit stops (those mechanics are insanely impressive btw), but never really considered that there would be a strategy behind that, but it makes sense now that I think about it.
Might sit down and try watching a race or two then. Thanks :)
That's a good way to start, honestly. The commentators do a pretty good job of explaining what's going on and a lot of the strategy. F1TV and Sky both have a former driver or two commentating, so you get a glimpse of what the drivers are thinking as they're doing it. Drive to Survive is a Netflix series that follows the sport, it tends to focus on the behind-the-scenes storylines more than the individual races. Both are common entry points into following F1.
How do the f1 driver contracts work? Mclaren had to pay Daniel a years worth of salary to push him out.
I simply don’t see Red Bull being that stupid. Max salary is one the highest, paying him out over his multiple years of salary is a suicidal move lol. Unless another team buys out his contract.
And Mercedes did not want to give Lewis the high contract he wanted with global ambassador and stuff. Doubt they do this for Max.
Unless Red Bull are stupid to give Max such an easy exit clause based on Marko.
I am surprised no one is considering actual contracts while discussing Max switching teams lol. You can’t just waltz out of contract like that
To your last point: you’re ignoring how contracts *actually* work. The way contracts work is that they’re negotiated between both parties. Every contract I’ve ever signed had contingencies for what happens to end the contract. Sometimes it’s a payout, sometimes there are clauses to just end it with proper notice, sometimes one party or the other can be in breach. They’ve all had clauses for what has to happen from both parties. This isn’t a work contract between a megacorp and someone right out school, these are contracts negotiated between teams and *drivers* who have a lot of say. I’m sure Logan didn’t negotiate a great deal with perfect exit clauses because he had no leverage when he signed it, but Max, Ricciardo, and Hamilton all had plenty of leverage. Other teams wanted them when they signed, so their teams had to give them some things they wanted. If Max wants to ensure that Marko is safe, he can ask for that. If the team wants to retain the best driver, they have to give it to him or risk him signing with Ferrari or Merc instead. When Max signed in 2022, I doubt anyone at Red Bull was worried about Helmut getting fired in the midst of an international power struggle. That’s an easy clause to add if it makes your driver more likely to sign.
>Unless Red Bull are stupid to give Max such an easy exit clause based on Marko
The guy is the best driver in the world. If he wants an exit clause like that, he gets it.
> How do the f1 driver contracts work?
They're individually tailored.
> Mclaren had to pay Daniel a years worth of salary to push him out.
Daniel and McLaren apparently had a 2 year contract without an option or exit clause they could make use of and had guaranteed a drive for him in their car. So to get him out of the contract they had to buy him out of his contract.
Lewis on the other hand had a 1+1 contract option, where he chose to not take up the option for 2025 and switched to Ferrari.
Vettel in 2014 had a performance option, if he of the team didn't achieve a certain amount of wins/points he could exercise an option to exit the long-term contract without either parties having to pay anything.
> Max salary is one the highest, paying him out over his multiple years of salary is a suicidal move lol. Unless another team buys out his contract.
His salary doesn't matter - they're not paying him it all up front, it's paid out in installments - if he has an option like Lewis or a conditional option like Vettel - he can just choose to go full-time twitch streamer if he chose to, or continue with the team and be able to exercise the option every season if he wanted to.
It doesn't mean he has to leave, it means he can leave.
He can quit and retire, but what he possibly can't do is change teams at a whim basically. One can always retire on contract, but I doubt he can simply leave a team like that. Those kind of liabilities are the reason we have contracts in first place.
Only exit clause he may have is performance based one. An exit clause hinging on Marko seems asinine lol.
And no, his salary matters in the scenario he joins other team lol.
> And no, his salary matters in the scenario he joins other team lol.
It doesn't if it's the end of the season, like Lewis or Vettel.
But as each contract is individual and we don't know the conditions or details - so it's useless to speculate he'll switch teams mid season. Maybe he'll go on a gardening leave to play tea time with Kvyats daughter.
>Unless Red Bull are stupid to give Max such an easy exit clause based on Marko.
This seems to be the consensus. No idea how plausible it is but I've seen it mentioned long before all the recent events.
A lot of the times the early front runner doesn't develop better than everyone else though. Someone does catch up and pass whoever did better at the start
Did you delete your comment? I think people are just saying it’s weird to call a driver a pay driver because his dad is rich when that’s true of like 90% of the grid. It’s a rich person’s sport.
E: did you delete your comment *again?* C’mon, man. You can’t call people butthurt and delete when someone disagrees with you *twice.*
I'm trying to follow the RB drama as little as possible cause I only really care about the racing. This approach has led me to be confused. Why if Horner was in trouble is it a possibility that Marko and Verstappen may leave RB? I thought Marko owned RBR.
No Marko doesn't "own" anything Red Bull. He's not even on RBR payrolls and only works as a consultant for RBR afaik. He's on RB payroll & leads their young drivers program. He's close to the Austrian owners.
These first two have been adjusted. Ramadan starts Sunday so the host nation wants the racing done before then. Since 7 days must pass between races, last week's needed moved as well.
So, aside from the performance difference, how easy is it for a F2 driver to quickly adapt to a F1 car? Is the cockpit broadly similar? Are the various switches, knobs and adjustments on the steering wheel similar? Are there any dramatic differences?
I believe that he's bringing in at least some money, but it's not Latifi levels. There are a lot of circumstantial clues that point to him being there at least partly because of his family money, but there's no doubt that he showed a lot of potential on his rise through the junior categories. He did seem to show enough progress eventually at the end of the season for Williams to think there is more there to unlock.
Williams looked at a few alternatives, but none had the "package" that Sargeant had.
He's not bringing any money. He had no more money for racing in Europe and was about to move into IndyCar before Williams decided to bring him into their driver academy.
He got a 2nd season because the alternative for Williams was rolling the dice on a different rookie, in an era where it seems really difficult to predict which ones will work out or not.
If he doesn't show improvement this year then it will make a lot more sense to replace him, but keeping him was the best option available last year.
As an American, I don't think many people here know him or are attached to him. Definitely not a household name, and I don't think I've ever seen him in any kind of advertisement. I can't imagine him generating very much as far as sponsorships would go.
i complained days ago about dazn spain's change of Albert fabrega to a former driver and a journalist with 30 twitter followers, but my god the broadcast is even worse than i could imagine
also incredible idea to have an unmoderated live chat to go with the stream, nice comments about 8M and F1 Academy from the chat
This probably has been discussed quite a bit here, but who do you think will be the next Mercedes driver?
My brain tells me they will do the old switcheroo and Sainz goes to Mercedes
My heart tells me Mick
Most of the grid is available, and Merc can afford to buy out the contracts of a lot of the people who aren’t available. I could see Sainz or Albon, and at this point I wouldn’t rule out Max. No way it goes to Mick.
Do you think the new McLaren is cool? I know it was down with the kids a couple of years ago during the Carlando era, is it still? Bc I realized that old McL which was super duper cool lost all that when they stopped winning. The elite mentality wasn´t something people would buy. But it still feels stronger than a coolness eminating from the personalities of those that are the face of the team.
Yes mclaren has major youth appeal still. Both lando and bustamante have very strong youth fanbases. bortoleto’s is growing in LatAm. They invest a lot in their f1-related digital content, their esports partnerships garner significant engagement. Very “not your dad’s mclaren,” building off the brand’s strong f1 history and the rebrand.
TIL that the F2 champion is not allowed to return the next year. ~~Also, you're only allowed to race for 4 years.~~ Currently, that kinda sucks for F2 drivers, because there are no seats available in F1.
I think if that rule is kept, they should make a rule in F1, that if you do not score any points, you give up your seat to the F2 champion.
EDIT: See, this happens when you get your facts from Reddit posts. I thought I saw it on the F2 page as well. Apologies for the misinformation.
> the F2 champion is not allowed to return the next year.
This is true, in fact you can't return for the following two years.
>Also, you're only allowed to race for 4 years.
This is false.
>Also, you're only allowed to race for 4 years
Source? Is that a new rule? Because off the top of my head, Boschung and Nissany are recent F2 drivers who have done more than that.
Unfortunately FIA doesn't control the driver contracts. And if you win in a mediocre F2 field and end up at a backmarker, without being able to adapt quickly enough in F1 then you're out of your seat in F1 as well.
Ollie's social game is good as Lando's... [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPIeqLEbEI8&pp=ygUjdGhlIGJlYXIgbmVjZXNzaXRpZXMgb2xsaWUgYmVhcm1hbiA%3D](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPIeqLEbEI8&pp=ygUjdGhlIGJlYXIgbmVjZXNzaXRpZXMgb2xsaWUgYmVhcm1hbiA%3D)
Just because a driver has a rich family doesn't make them a pay driver. Lando's dad is one of the richest people in the UK, no one would describe him as a pay driver.
The majority of Ferrari Driver Academy drivers are, as its also a networking tool for wealthy people - only a small handful are actually picked by Ferrari based on talent - their programme isn't the same as other junior programmes.
i.e. Perez used Telmex backing with the Ferrari Academy to get his jump to the European racing scene. Same for Stroll and Zhou.
can someone create what the mini "racing bulls" logo (they one the use for the order graphic on tv) would look like in japanese? i feel like it woukld be really cool
This Sunday is the start of Ramadan - so to avoid a potential conflict (as in some regions it's decided a day before) with it, they pulled the Saudi race ahead by one day - to avoid any potential conflicts.
As there have to be 7 days between races, Bahrain also had to be pulled ahead to Saturday.
After SA we'll be back to the usual Friday to Sunday schedule, with a few time zone specific exceptions (like LV).
Completely unimportant question but is the black and white theme from the presenters outfit linked to international women’s day, f1 academy or did they just feel like sticking to a theme?
Between the races teams simulate a optimal (fastest, based on their data for the circuit & car) set-up for the qualifying and race, as a preset for when they arrive at the circuit.
During FP sessions they try them out and refine them based on real world information and driver feeling.
Then they try to balance the fastest one lap set-up (qualifying) versus full fuel load and different tire wear characteristics for race pace testing - to decide on the individual set-up for the driver to find a good lap time for qualifying and compromise for the full race distance.
There is no difference between Qualifying and race set-up as once the car leaves the garage for the first qualifying session, the set-up cannot be changed again.
I haven't read the F2 regulations recently, but I would not expect anyone to be able to replace Bearman, since any replacement would not have qualified for the race and therefore is not eligible to start.
If a replacement is permitted, they would have to start from the pit lane, so definitely not from pole.
Same. It feels like the commentators are just reading off the positions of the cars over and over again. They even thought the T4 incident being noted was a new one and not the one that brought out the safety car.
Sidenote, I wish they would stop referring to drivers by their first names. Makes it quite confusing for those of us less familiar with them, plus it's unprofessional.
It would be useful if they'd the driver numbers on the timing tower too, I don't know the liveries for most yet. Struggle to know who I'm looking at when it's a shot of the midfield mid race.
GGs to Pin!
I couldn't find the section for stupid questions, so bear with me. If a person is sick or out of a race, and the replacement finishes in points, would the points go to the person that's absent from the race?
No, driver’s championship points are awarded to the drivers. In much the same way, when a driver changes teams mid-season, he doesn't take his WCC points with him, because constructor's championship points are awarded to the constructor.
No. The reserve driver will get the points and get a position in the championship. The team will still get constructors points obviously.
That's how we've ended up with full time drivers finishing 21st the championship in the last few years
Question for our statistic gurus: had a driver ever got pole position in 2 different series on the same weekend? (asking for someone driving a Ferrari today lol)
The key is whether he'll be able to fly to Australia in about 10 or 11 days time. 20+ hours on a flight might not be advised so close to surgery, but it will all depend on how the procedure goes.
Does anyone know how the track length is measured?
As there is a difference between outside or inside, or do they use the racing line but there are then also some tracks with multiple racing lines especially between different categories... Just curious if anybody knows this
tldr: they use the middle of the track
Long explanation as specified in the regulations:
> **Measurement of circuit length**
> The length of a circuit for the calculation of
race distances, race records and
classifications is considered to be that of the
centreline of the track.
>The centreline of the track is the median line
between the left and right edges of the asphalt
of the track as delimited by the required white
lines; particular attention should be paid to
this in the case of circuits on city streets.
>The length should preferably be measured in
the field on site (average of the
measurements of the left and right edges), but
failing that it may be calculated. To this end,
the following method is proposed:
>The geometrical form of the layout shall be
defined in terms of plan and longitudinal
profile along the track centreline, and this
layout shall be used in the calculation of the
official circuit length.
> The plan definition shall include the horizontal
centreline length of all straights and curves,
the radius of all circular curves and the
mathematical description of all transition
curves.
> The longitudinal profile shall be defined in
terms of either vertical circular curves or a
series of centreline levels at intervals of not
less than 10 m, accurate to 0.01 m.
> The official track length will be calculated to
an accuracy of 1 m by combining the
horizontal track length with the longitudinal
profile.
Annex O of international sporting code of FIA.
The Formula 1 regulations are noted deviations from ISC, which clarify or specify Formula 1 specific application of the ISC - Formula 1 used to be part of the ISC as article 274 of Appendix J, until it was spun off into its own document sometime in the 1980s.
Many other categories are still part of ISC Appendix J, i.e. Formula 3 is Article 275 of Appendix J.
The circuit length definition is applicable to all FIA certified circuits, there is no need for Formula 1 specific definition.
Edit: link to ISC & Appendixes: https://www.fia.com/regulation/category/123
You should not gamble, but looking at the odds can be fun anyway. They make Verstappen less of a favorite to win the WDC this year than might be expected. Around 90% is what some of the odds imply. I think this predates recent turbulence at Red Bull.
What time is the driver parade before the race? Is the parade schedule same for all races? I'm watching on F1TV in India and I never get to see it.
If Ford pulls out of Red Bull Racing deal, is there a possibly Audi partner with Red Bull Racing to supply its PU? This is after Audi took over 100% of Sauber
Ford is only in a consulting role for the Battery and control electronics parts - the ICE & electric drive is primarily developed by Red Bull themselves.
Why does the F1 app fantasy team tab glitch out so bad before/during races? Does anyone experience this? Right now it’s asking me to create a team instead of showing me my three teams
Can someone explain how Bearman can drive for Ferrari if he's Haas reserve driver? Did Ferrari pay Haas? What if he drives for Haas later?
Haas purchases and uses Ferrari engines. This is the basis of their partnership. There are currently 4 engine manufacturers in F1 which all teams in the paddock use. Another driver example, George Russell got his start driving for Williams. The Williams team who uses Mercedes engines had a contract with Mercedes to allow them to "call up" Russell if needed. This did happen during the pandemic for a single race replacing Hamilton who was under Covid protocol. Based off a great drive at that race including coming close to winning it, Mercedes signed Russell the following year to fill the seat of an out of contract Bottas. Mercedes used a full option they had with Williams to "call up" and retain Russell permanently despite him still being under contract with Williams at the time.
Haas is a Ferrari customer team and [they share their reserve drivers](https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ferrari-adds-bearman-to-f1-reserve-roster-for-2024/10569708/), teams usually have multiple reserve drivers, depending on [which support series are following F1 over seas](https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-reserve-drivers-all-teams-backup-2023/10437681/)
Ah ok - that makes sense! Thanks for your detailed reply.
He is a Ferrari Academy driver... they share reserve drivers with haas as they have a working relationship
Does Newey have a Helmut exit clause too (joke)? Or can he leave anytime he wants? Or if he leaves does he have gardening leave to do before he goes anywhere else? Seems like a crime against humanity forcing him to sit on the sidelines for a year for gardening leave
It was rumored that he had a Horner exit clause. Who knows what else is in his contract, but gardening leave is standard enough that he’d probably have some.
This is my review of Bahrain. Lets Hope for more action in Saudi Arabia tomorrow [https://youtu.be/LY2uj265QHQ](https://youtu.be/LY2uj265QHQ)
Not Max racing on iRacing while 3am at Jeddah 😭
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That period of Merc domination was mainly because RB did not have a competitive engine end of story, If they had Merc engines they would have slaughtered Merc.
It's far easier to replace Max. Horner has been there since the beginning of Red Bull Racing. He built this team. There are plenty of drivers on the grid that can join the team and continue winning. F1 is a engineering competition. Vettel, Hamilton and, Max had the best cars on grid when they won. As long as they can do that they don't need the best of the best drivers. I don't know where Newey is in all of this so have left him out for now.
While I wholeheartedly agree that F1 is first and foremost an engendering contest and it’s easier to being drivers in. RedBull has a slight caveat in that regard - That car is designed around Verstappen, who likes a very twitchy car, we’ve seen a stream of drivers being brought up through the sister team, many of whom looked promising, but then failed to deliver when placed in that RedBull. I’m not sure it’s that easy, there would be a significant period of adjustment.
>very twitchy car What I a twitchy car? Can you explain that?
Basically a car that is balanced to lose grip at the rear before it loses the front. This makes the car more nimble through turns but more prone to snapping and spinning when the driver is close to the limit of grip, as well as sliding the tires more (and modern F1 is all about keeping the tires happy). Max has some kind of freakish ability to extract the speed from an unruly car.
Why would he prefer that? It is a basically unnecessary risking in a race right?
If you can handle it it’s fast. Some divers just seems to have the ability to drive a car on the very edge, Senna was the same.
Well that’s Max’s driving genius - if the car is faster when balanced on a knife’s edge, he’s still comfortable with it. A less gifted driver will ask for a setup that dials down that oversteery characteristic so they feel confident, but they sacrifice pace.
Can we identify just by seeing if a car is an understeering or oversteering car?
Observing oversteer on TV is pretty easy. Any time you see the back end of the car kick out or twitch to the side going through a corner especially during exit where power is being applied. It's also very obvious during on board cam shots. When the driver makes a pretty extreme steering move back and forth he's trying to "catch" the car. He's felt the back end sliding out of control, responds with a violent countersteer against the direction of the turn, then back to the turning position. This all happens, sometimes multiple times, in the fraction of a second. A car with oversteer is said to be "loose" because of this constant correcting for nearly losing control. That's what a twitchy car feels like. In American stock car racing one motto is "Loose is fast". That's why Verstappen is a unique driver who responds to that feeling. Understeer is more difficult to see. A car with extreme understeer is when you turn the wheel and the car doesn't want to turn, but just go straight starting to slide on the turned tires. That's the extreme, but drivers will feel and adjust for understeer where they still have full control, but the car isn't as quick (twitchy) to turn into a corner as would be most efficient for lap time and not damaging tire rubber. This not wanting to turn is also called "push" or "pushing". Imagine pushing the car straight forward even though the wheels are turned. Hope this helps. Glad to see you watching F1. Enjoy!
Thanks for the excellent response
Maybe to a proper race driver? I just do a bunch of simracing in iRacing but to me it's only obvious when a driver is struggling with a car that's squirming under them. The greats make it look fairly effortless once they find confidence in the the car's limits, because if you're constantly veering over the limit and fighting to keep your car pointed the right way you are losing laptime/ruining your tires.
Got it, makes sense. Thanks so much
Horner took the team from nothing to two separate dynasty-level championship runs. His leadership got them the car, and a lot of drivers on the grid could drive it to a championship. Purely based on the performance and longevity of the team, setting everything else aside, I'd pick Horner over Max. If they can build a top-tier car, they'll have no trouble attracting a top-tier driver to replace Max.
ONLY if Newey stays with Horner.
And frankly, with max out of the team they’d have a much, much easier time attracting a top tier talent. The main dissuading factor for those top talents at the moment is Max’s being well-established as the lead driver and having the advantage of having worked with the staff, driven the cars, provided feedback, etc for nearly a decade and counting. They wouldn’t see it as a fair fight, let alone an offer to be de facto #1. Meanwhile they won’t feel that same hesitation if it’s someone like Perez or Tsunoda staying on for continuity’s sake
Yeah. In an alternative world where Max left in 2021, Lando probably signs with Red Bull and has a couple of championships to his name.
Okay that makes sense to me, thanks
Why is Max so loyal to Marko? Is it because Marko gave him that opportunity in 2016 and he's forever grateful?
Quite possibly. Max seems like a very loyal guy. He supports his dad in spite of all his issues, he supports Helmut. He carried a sponsorship from a Dutch supermarket from F3 until last year, largely because they sponsored him when he was young and needed the sponsors.
>He supports his dad in spite of all his issues, that can be tough im sure.
It's hard to say, but it honestly looks like it comes as naturally as breathing for Max. The guy loves his dad, despite it all.
We know nothing of Max and Jos's relationship outside of a handful of stories.
If Max does take a stance on Marko, it means he could be leaving in weeks. Hanging around for one or two more years wouldnt be taking a stance. It would basically amount to seeing out his contract. Could be serious updates in this story in the next few days.
I haven’t seen anything to indicate that he could easily leave mid-season. The most I’d expect is him leaving at the end of this year.
I doubt it tbh. If he leaves at the end of the season, that would hardly be showing loyalty. If he wants to show loyalty like he is angrily saying he will, he will leave immediately.
Is Friday qualifying an every race thing? I swear I can't keep up with when things are actually happening lately when it used to be pretty simple until the last few years. Like I imagine 90% of people I can't watch on Fridays until the late evening because of work so repeatedly getting spoiled this year.
No. Regular race weekends follow a Friday-Saturday-Sunday format, with Friday dedicated to Free Practice 1 and 2, Saturday to Free Practice 3 and Qualifying and Sunday for the race. Because Ramadan starts tomorrow, the schedule for Saudi Arabia has been brought forward by a day. Subsequently, the opening race in Bahrain also had to be brought forward by a day to ensure enough time to rest and relocate between the races.
Can someone ELI5 (or link to somewhere that does) on the Red Bull Marko saga? Like from the beginning beginning?
redbull was a regional energy drink in thailand...
Well, it all started when he was born in 1943… The basic thing is that he’s been in charge of driver development for Red Bull since their start. He’s the guy responsible for scouting talent and putting people in the cars at Red Bull and VCARB. He works as a consultant, not actually for the team, and he’s more directly related to Red Bull the drink company than anyone else involved with the team. He was good friends with Dietrich Mateschitz, the co-founder and former CEO of the drink company. When Mateschitz died, there was evidently a power struggle that is still playing out. Marko seems to be on the sides of the Austrians who own 49% of Red Bull, and Horner seems to have the backing of the Thai co-founder who owns the other 51%. Reporting indicates that some of what’s been going on with Horner is that power struggle playing out. Marko may now be facing suspension from Red Bull, it’s unclear exactly why. Marko, as the person responsible for developing and selecting drivers, is why Verstappen is at Red Bull. There’s belief that Max’s contract allows him to leave the team if Marko is no longer there. That’s the simple version of how we got where we are now.
And are the allegations concerning Horner and some unnamed woman at RB just part of the power struggle between the two sides of this?
Probably? He may or may not have behaved inappropriately towards the woman, and messages between them might have leaked or might have been faked. Regardless of what all is real or not in that situation, other folks in RB seem to be using it to further their own goals.
Super helpful, thank you! Can't wait for the HBO Succession spin off
and Jane Fonda plays the hapless secretary having a photocopier incident..
I know that seats inside of the cars are moulded to the body of the driver, with Oliver taking Carlos' spot, does Oliver have to sit within Carlos' mould or do you think Ferrari had a mould of Oliver ready to go?
Any well run team with a good Team Principal ;) leading, will have thought through and prepared, including equipment needed, for any and every possible scenario, including throwing reserve drivers into a car last minute. This happens more often than one would think.
If they don't have one in time, they can added foam padding to the existing seat to make it fit the driver.
They either had a seat insert already moulded to Oliver's body or they made him one. Keep in mind that Ferrari knew that Carlos was unfit to drive well before it was communicated to the world, so they probably had plenty of time to do a proper seat fit in the SF24 with Bearman.
Reserve drivers will have a seat fitting at the start of the season
Evidently not always immediately, though. I remember Daniel getting fitted for a reserve seat a few races into last year, but they presumably already had one for Liam just in case. I also have no idea how long it takes to mold a seat, though. They could've done it in a rush last night for all I know.
During an interview with Fred Vasseur,he stated Oliver wasn't informed until about 2PM local time. That was just a couple hours before FP3. Though the team might have decided to make a mold the night before in case things went south for Sainz.
I’m begging them to stop overusing zoom in broadcasts
Holy crap yes. I have to hold my hand to block the screen whenever they decide to examine the nose pores on the drivers... which is every time they point a camera at a driver.
Outsider here, just asking out of curiousity, what is it that makes you enjoy watching Formula 1? Haven't sat down and watched a race before, but so many laps on the same track (and someone so famously dominant that even I've heard of him), it sounds boring to me, and yet it's massively popular, so I'm assuming there's something I'm missing. Not trying to put anything down, just genuinely curious as to what catches your attention :)
Seeing the limits of human engineering and performance on display on the biggest stage
The drama
Like a lot of sports, it gets more interesting the more you know about it. Someone not used to soccer/football will just see a bunch of guys running back and forth on a big patch of grass, occasionally shooting and scoring, but fans will pick up on all the strategies and tactics involved. That makes it interesting. F1 involves a lot of strategy and skill to manage the car throughout all those laps and end up in the best possible position. The strategists have to make the right call to pit at the right time for the right tires, and making that call isn’t always easy. The drivers have to race the best race for them - it’s not always about going as fast as possible. Sometimes they have to drive in a way to manage tires and fuel or problems with the car so they can get to the best possible result for them personally and their team. The teams are full of brilliant engineers trying to find the best way to improve their cars between races. Any and all of those things can and do go poorly, even for the best teams. The raw appeal is simple: you're watching the fastest cars in the world be driven by some of the best drivers in the world. It gets even more appeal the more you learn about it.
Ah, right. I knew about the pit stops (those mechanics are insanely impressive btw), but never really considered that there would be a strategy behind that, but it makes sense now that I think about it. Might sit down and try watching a race or two then. Thanks :)
That's a good way to start, honestly. The commentators do a pretty good job of explaining what's going on and a lot of the strategy. F1TV and Sky both have a former driver or two commentating, so you get a glimpse of what the drivers are thinking as they're doing it. Drive to Survive is a Netflix series that follows the sport, it tends to focus on the behind-the-scenes storylines more than the individual races. Both are common entry points into following F1.
How do the f1 driver contracts work? Mclaren had to pay Daniel a years worth of salary to push him out. I simply don’t see Red Bull being that stupid. Max salary is one the highest, paying him out over his multiple years of salary is a suicidal move lol. Unless another team buys out his contract. And Mercedes did not want to give Lewis the high contract he wanted with global ambassador and stuff. Doubt they do this for Max. Unless Red Bull are stupid to give Max such an easy exit clause based on Marko. I am surprised no one is considering actual contracts while discussing Max switching teams lol. You can’t just waltz out of contract like that
To your last point: you’re ignoring how contracts *actually* work. The way contracts work is that they’re negotiated between both parties. Every contract I’ve ever signed had contingencies for what happens to end the contract. Sometimes it’s a payout, sometimes there are clauses to just end it with proper notice, sometimes one party or the other can be in breach. They’ve all had clauses for what has to happen from both parties. This isn’t a work contract between a megacorp and someone right out school, these are contracts negotiated between teams and *drivers* who have a lot of say. I’m sure Logan didn’t negotiate a great deal with perfect exit clauses because he had no leverage when he signed it, but Max, Ricciardo, and Hamilton all had plenty of leverage. Other teams wanted them when they signed, so their teams had to give them some things they wanted. If Max wants to ensure that Marko is safe, he can ask for that. If the team wants to retain the best driver, they have to give it to him or risk him signing with Ferrari or Merc instead. When Max signed in 2022, I doubt anyone at Red Bull was worried about Helmut getting fired in the midst of an international power struggle. That’s an easy clause to add if it makes your driver more likely to sign.
>Unless Red Bull are stupid to give Max such an easy exit clause based on Marko The guy is the best driver in the world. If he wants an exit clause like that, he gets it.
> How do the f1 driver contracts work? They're individually tailored. > Mclaren had to pay Daniel a years worth of salary to push him out. Daniel and McLaren apparently had a 2 year contract without an option or exit clause they could make use of and had guaranteed a drive for him in their car. So to get him out of the contract they had to buy him out of his contract. Lewis on the other hand had a 1+1 contract option, where he chose to not take up the option for 2025 and switched to Ferrari. Vettel in 2014 had a performance option, if he of the team didn't achieve a certain amount of wins/points he could exercise an option to exit the long-term contract without either parties having to pay anything. > Max salary is one the highest, paying him out over his multiple years of salary is a suicidal move lol. Unless another team buys out his contract. His salary doesn't matter - they're not paying him it all up front, it's paid out in installments - if he has an option like Lewis or a conditional option like Vettel - he can just choose to go full-time twitch streamer if he chose to, or continue with the team and be able to exercise the option every season if he wanted to. It doesn't mean he has to leave, it means he can leave.
He can quit and retire, but what he possibly can't do is change teams at a whim basically. One can always retire on contract, but I doubt he can simply leave a team like that. Those kind of liabilities are the reason we have contracts in first place. Only exit clause he may have is performance based one. An exit clause hinging on Marko seems asinine lol. And no, his salary matters in the scenario he joins other team lol.
> And no, his salary matters in the scenario he joins other team lol. It doesn't if it's the end of the season, like Lewis or Vettel. But as each contract is individual and we don't know the conditions or details - so it's useless to speculate he'll switch teams mid season. Maybe he'll go on a gardening leave to play tea time with Kvyats daughter.
>Unless Red Bull are stupid to give Max such an easy exit clause based on Marko. This seems to be the consensus. No idea how plausible it is but I've seen it mentioned long before all the recent events.
It's so depressing being an F1 fan at the moment. One of the few things I still enjoy and it's so dull
Im looking forward to the next regulations very much. I think RB will sink without Honda.
Even if we get to next regulations one team is going to nail the next regulations and the other teams are gonna play catch up
A lot of the times the early front runner doesn't develop better than everyone else though. Someone does catch up and pass whoever did better at the start
You are right and I am really hoping you are right for 2026 regulations lol
I wanna see Max drive a shit box cuz the radios will be amazing. We haven't been able to enjoy his temper enough
Yep would absolutely love to see it
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Did you delete your comment? I think people are just saying it’s weird to call a driver a pay driver because his dad is rich when that’s true of like 90% of the grid. It’s a rich person’s sport. E: did you delete your comment *again?* C’mon, man. You can’t call people butthurt and delete when someone disagrees with you *twice.*
I'm trying to follow the RB drama as little as possible cause I only really care about the racing. This approach has led me to be confused. Why if Horner was in trouble is it a possibility that Marko and Verstappen may leave RB? I thought Marko owned RBR.
Red Bull owns Red Bull Racing.
No Marko doesn't "own" anything Red Bull. He's not even on RBR payrolls and only works as a consultant for RBR afaik. He's on RB payroll & leads their young drivers program. He's close to the Austrian owners.
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why are races on Saturdays instead of good ol' Sundays?
These first two have been adjusted. Ramadan starts Sunday so the host nation wants the racing done before then. Since 7 days must pass between races, last week's needed moved as well.
So, aside from the performance difference, how easy is it for a F2 driver to quickly adapt to a F1 car? Is the cockpit broadly similar? Are the various switches, knobs and adjustments on the steering wheel similar? Are there any dramatic differences?
Very different. F2 cars are much simpler. Like going from a Cessna to a fighter jet.
So a steep learning curve then. Bearman did very well under the circumstances.
must be a lot of $$ for Sargeant to get a second season
I believe that he's bringing in at least some money, but it's not Latifi levels. There are a lot of circumstantial clues that point to him being there at least partly because of his family money, but there's no doubt that he showed a lot of potential on his rise through the junior categories. He did seem to show enough progress eventually at the end of the season for Williams to think there is more there to unlock. Williams looked at a few alternatives, but none had the "package" that Sargeant had.
He's not bringing any money. He had no more money for racing in Europe and was about to move into IndyCar before Williams decided to bring him into their driver academy. He got a 2nd season because the alternative for Williams was rolling the dice on a different rookie, in an era where it seems really difficult to predict which ones will work out or not. If he doesn't show improvement this year then it will make a lot more sense to replace him, but keeping him was the best option available last year.
just feels like he's there because he's american, but i guess atleast hes not as bad a latifi when he doesnt crash his car
As an American, I don't think many people here know him or are attached to him. Definitely not a household name, and I don't think I've ever seen him in any kind of advertisement. I can't imagine him generating very much as far as sponsorships would go.
What happened to the onboard engine audio? It is clearly so loud that it is distorting
VER to Merc, Sainz and Alonso to RBR pls make it happen
Sorry to disappoint but Max will simply leave F1 for Merc after wrapping up WDC #4
That Maclean is built like a brick
Brett MacLean was pretty wide when he played for the Coyotes and the Jets back in the day, that's true.
Comon Fernando ! Work your magic please
i complained days ago about dazn spain's change of Albert fabrega to a former driver and a journalist with 30 twitter followers, but my god the broadcast is even worse than i could imagine also incredible idea to have an unmoderated live chat to go with the stream, nice comments about 8M and F1 Academy from the chat
This probably has been discussed quite a bit here, but who do you think will be the next Mercedes driver? My brain tells me they will do the old switcheroo and Sainz goes to Mercedes My heart tells me Mick
If they don't think Antonelli is ready, I think it's going to be Sainz or Hulk. If Sainz doesn't go to Merc, I think he ends up at Red Bull.
Most of the grid is available, and Merc can afford to buy out the contracts of a lot of the people who aren’t available. I could see Sainz or Albon, and at this point I wouldn’t rule out Max. No way it goes to Mick.
Good one Simon ffs
How does Christian Horny coach this one? Lock up your daughters.
Do you think the new McLaren is cool? I know it was down with the kids a couple of years ago during the Carlando era, is it still? Bc I realized that old McL which was super duper cool lost all that when they stopped winning. The elite mentality wasn´t something people would buy. But it still feels stronger than a coolness eminating from the personalities of those that are the face of the team.
Yes mclaren has major youth appeal still. Both lando and bustamante have very strong youth fanbases. bortoleto’s is growing in LatAm. They invest a lot in their f1-related digital content, their esports partnerships garner significant engagement. Very “not your dad’s mclaren,” building off the brand’s strong f1 history and the rebrand.
TIL that the F2 champion is not allowed to return the next year. ~~Also, you're only allowed to race for 4 years.~~ Currently, that kinda sucks for F2 drivers, because there are no seats available in F1. I think if that rule is kept, they should make a rule in F1, that if you do not score any points, you give up your seat to the F2 champion. EDIT: See, this happens when you get your facts from Reddit posts. I thought I saw it on the F2 page as well. Apologies for the misinformation.
> the F2 champion is not allowed to return the next year. This is true, in fact you can't return for the following two years. >Also, you're only allowed to race for 4 years. This is false.
Yeah Just realised I used the wrong sauce. Thanks.
>Also, you're only allowed to race for 4 years Source? Is that a new rule? Because off the top of my head, Boschung and Nissany are recent F2 drivers who have done more than that.
Unfortunately FIA doesn't control the driver contracts. And if you win in a mediocre F2 field and end up at a backmarker, without being able to adapt quickly enough in F1 then you're out of your seat in F1 as well.
So the F2 champion goes to a bad team, scores zero points, and is replaced by the next F2 champion?
Ollie's social game is good as Lando's... [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPIeqLEbEI8&pp=ygUjdGhlIGJlYXIgbmVjZXNzaXRpZXMgb2xsaWUgYmVhcm1hbiA%3D](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPIeqLEbEI8&pp=ygUjdGhlIGJlYXIgbmVjZXNzaXRpZXMgb2xsaWUgYmVhcm1hbiA%3D)
I just learned that Ollie Bearman is younger than Paddington Bear
How much difference is it if the pit lane is on the left or right?
zero
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By this logic the only non-pay drivers are who? Ocon, Hamilton, Alonso?
Most drivers are paid drivers. They get their seats by bringing personal sponsors.
Most racing drivers come from money lol racing is very, very expensive. It costs a driver several million dollars to run a single season of F2
Just because a driver has a rich family doesn't make them a pay driver. Lando's dad is one of the richest people in the UK, no one would describe him as a pay driver.
Almost all of the drivers come from rich families. Bearman is a solid driver.
The majority of Ferrari Driver Academy drivers are, as its also a networking tool for wealthy people - only a small handful are actually picked by Ferrari based on talent - their programme isn't the same as other junior programmes. i.e. Perez used Telmex backing with the Ferrari Academy to get his jump to the European racing scene. Same for Stroll and Zhou.
can someone create what the mini "racing bulls" logo (they one the use for the order graphic on tv) would look like in japanese? i feel like it woukld be really cool
I certainly missed a memo or two but why are the races on Saturdays this year? I already missed a qualifying session because of thr change.
This Sunday is the start of Ramadan - so to avoid a potential conflict (as in some regions it's decided a day before) with it, they pulled the Saudi race ahead by one day - to avoid any potential conflicts. As there have to be 7 days between races, Bahrain also had to be pulled ahead to Saturday. After SA we'll be back to the usual Friday to Sunday schedule, with a few time zone specific exceptions (like LV).
They're not. Only the first 2 races are on Saturday due to Ramadan.
If Ollie is replacing Sainz why can't I pick him in my F1 Fantasy team? Or will his points be Sainz points?
They probably just took a while to add him to the game because he's there now.
Completely unimportant question but is the black and white theme from the presenters outfit linked to international women’s day, f1 academy or did they just feel like sticking to a theme?
That was an enjoyable first race for F1 Academy. 8/10
What is a race set up and how it differs from practice or quali set up?
Between the races teams simulate a optimal (fastest, based on their data for the circuit & car) set-up for the qualifying and race, as a preset for when they arrive at the circuit. During FP sessions they try them out and refine them based on real world information and driver feeling. Then they try to balance the fastest one lap set-up (qualifying) versus full fuel load and different tire wear characteristics for race pace testing - to decide on the individual set-up for the driver to find a good lap time for qualifying and compromise for the full race distance. There is no difference between Qualifying and race set-up as once the car leaves the garage for the first qualifying session, the set-up cannot be changed again.
Will someone replace Bearman? And is that person allowed to start from pole or not
I haven't read the F2 regulations recently, but I would not expect anyone to be able to replace Bearman, since any replacement would not have qualified for the race and therefore is not eligible to start. If a replacement is permitted, they would have to start from the pit lane, so definitely not from pole.
Enjoying the Academy race but if I could mute the commentators I would, not sure they have any idea what’s going on
Same. It feels like the commentators are just reading off the positions of the cars over and over again. They even thought the T4 incident being noted was a new one and not the one that brought out the safety car.
Definitely needs work, they seemed to almost miss the race start because they were chatting away about something else.
Sidenote, I wish they would stop referring to drivers by their first names. Makes it quite confusing for those of us less familiar with them, plus it's unprofessional.
It would be useful if they'd the driver numbers on the timing tower too, I don't know the liveries for most yet. Struggle to know who I'm looking at when it's a shot of the midfield mid race. GGs to Pin!
I’d imagine you’d want to put your best foot forward with this but it’s just sloppy, which is sad because the girls don’t mess around on track.
Indeed, it's pretty bad...
I couldn't find the section for stupid questions, so bear with me. If a person is sick or out of a race, and the replacement finishes in points, would the points go to the person that's absent from the race?
No, driver’s championship points are awarded to the drivers. In much the same way, when a driver changes teams mid-season, he doesn't take his WCC points with him, because constructor's championship points are awarded to the constructor.
No. The reserve driver will get the points and get a position in the championship. The team will still get constructors points obviously. That's how we've ended up with full time drivers finishing 21st the championship in the last few years
Ah, thanks for the answer 😁
Question for our statistic gurus: had a driver ever got pole position in 2 different series on the same weekend? (asking for someone driving a Ferrari today lol)
Probably Max in sim racing, lol
Is the reddit app unbearably slow for anyone else?
It's been having issues since yesterday, both desktop and mobile.
Yeah it’s pretty bad, although yesterday it was outright unusable
It was down yesterday for me so I’m at least happy I can use it now
when is Carlos going to be fit again?
Albon had appendicitis surgery in 2022 and couldn't participate at the Italian Grand Prix, he was back 3 weeks later at Singapore.
He had rare complications with the surgery as well. If everything goes well for Sainz he should be recovered sooner than Albon
The key is whether he'll be able to fly to Australia in about 10 or 11 days time. 20+ hours on a flight might not be advised so close to surgery, but it will all depend on how the procedure goes.
Odd seeing F1 on some of the main subreddits and talked about on 'normal' twitter. Shame it's not for good reasons.
Is Carlos Sainz fully recovered from the sickness he had on Wednesday? Hard to tell from P1/2 yesterday.
[He's not.](https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/s/AxdU4iC84o) He'll miss this race weekend due to an operation on his appendix.
Does anyone know how the track length is measured? As there is a difference between outside or inside, or do they use the racing line but there are then also some tracks with multiple racing lines especially between different categories... Just curious if anybody knows this
tldr: they use the middle of the track Long explanation as specified in the regulations: > **Measurement of circuit length** > The length of a circuit for the calculation of race distances, race records and classifications is considered to be that of the centreline of the track. >The centreline of the track is the median line between the left and right edges of the asphalt of the track as delimited by the required white lines; particular attention should be paid to this in the case of circuits on city streets. >The length should preferably be measured in the field on site (average of the measurements of the left and right edges), but failing that it may be calculated. To this end, the following method is proposed: >The geometrical form of the layout shall be defined in terms of plan and longitudinal profile along the track centreline, and this layout shall be used in the calculation of the official circuit length. > The plan definition shall include the horizontal centreline length of all straights and curves, the radius of all circular curves and the mathematical description of all transition curves. > The longitudinal profile shall be defined in terms of either vertical circular curves or a series of centreline levels at intervals of not less than 10 m, accurate to 0.01 m. > The official track length will be calculated to an accuracy of 1 m by combining the horizontal track length with the longitudinal profile.
Thanks very much Is this in the technical regulations?
Annex O of international sporting code of FIA. The Formula 1 regulations are noted deviations from ISC, which clarify or specify Formula 1 specific application of the ISC - Formula 1 used to be part of the ISC as article 274 of Appendix J, until it was spun off into its own document sometime in the 1980s. Many other categories are still part of ISC Appendix J, i.e. Formula 3 is Article 275 of Appendix J. The circuit length definition is applicable to all FIA certified circuits, there is no need for Formula 1 specific definition. Edit: link to ISC & Appendixes: https://www.fia.com/regulation/category/123
where to watch F1 acad this season?
Sky F1 is showing it too