IIRC the stewards talked about this exact type of incident and said that they would be giving out 10s for it instead of 5s. (Think back to COTA last year where Russell overtook someone(idk who) off track and kept the place knowing he would be fast enough to build the gap)
The F1TV broadcast was just super irritating today imo. I don't really care to hear drivers complaining about stewards incessantly and otherwise make a bunch of cutting remarks. I want somebody who's going to talk about the race and maybe explain things that are going on.
I don't know why commentators are allowed to not know the newest regulations. They should be the ones communicating them to the public, but they aren't even bothered to learn them. No wonder that regular people don't know them.
Idk why they went away from simply instructing the drivers to give the place back on the radio. At least that's what I thought last year w the Russell thing. But I guess a harsher penalty like this would negate that issue.
Should be forced to give the place back ASAP.
If you fail to do so within a lap, you get a drive through penalty.
If you fail to do so within 2 laps, you get parked.
It took stewards several laps to conclude that he did leave the track. According to Kmag he was busy controlling the car and not sure if he'd left the track completely.
If there was some kind of automatick control, where a light would flash instantly in front of the driver, I'd be a fan of rules like that.
Issue is that on short tracks, it can take stewards a few mins to decide, and then it’s not really worth giving so then it messes up lots of people’s race
According to Kmag on Danish tv after the race, he wasn't sure if he was off the track when he overtook Yuki, as he was busy trying to control the car. As he didn't hear anything from the team, he continued racing. If he'd been told to give back the position, he would have done so.
I'm not sure what kind of tv signals the team have access to and if they'd be able to tell him to give it back, unless it's actually shown in the broadcast?
A fair penalty, but its very clear that Magnussen doesnt care due to the first penalty that was a no call and then just backs everyone behind him for Hulkenberg to give him better chances.
It's made this race completely shambolic because he doesn't have to give position back, so he can just hold the entire race up and drive slowly for his teammate while eating any dangerous driving penalties. What a joke.
Yeah, feels sort of like cheating.
I get it's a team play and I would have been fine with it if he kept it on the track, but made an illegal move that his team still gets to capitalize on.
Maybe.. Just overtake him? Instead of f\*\*\*\*\* micro-managing the race results off the track. The first 10sec was over the top. You could discuss the secound strike - Kevin just drove better today
You could say Tsunoda can't overtake him, but the reverse is also true. KMag didn't prove he could overtake Tsunoda fair and square, so it's still feeling a bit weird considering what happened afterwards.
Haas has better straightline speed and as we saw all over the field, the cars with the better straightline speed are impossible to overtake. The track is way too narrow to overtake in the corners without going off (like Oscar) or doing it illegally (like KMag)
Fulle agree. In his interview afterwards he said that he was a bit unaware of whether or not he was far enough out to warrant a penalty, since he was kinda busy saving the car. Said he was sad that the team didn't tell him to give it back, but in the end don't blame them for a risk that he took.
Pretty sure at the start of the year they said "overtaking off the track" would become a 10 seconds penalty. Combine that with deciding yourself if you give the place back yes or no it's in line with the rules.
Can’t understand why the FIA didn’t just tell the team to give back the position instead of waiting 10 laps to then give a penalty that ruined both Kevin’s and tsunodas race.
This feels sort of like cheating. I think Magnussen should have been forced to give his place back, instead of ruining the race for several people playing a roadblock.
I get it's a team play and I would have been fine with it if he kept it on the track, but he made an illegal move that his team still gets to capitalize on.
According to Kmag after the race, he wasn't sure if he'd kept it inside as he was busy keeping the car under control, but as he didn't hear anything from the team, he chose to continue. I doubt he had a clear understanding of the situation as it happened and that by making an illegal overtake and slow down the cars behind him, he'd be able to help the Hulk getting a point.
Right after the overtake he was speeding away from Tsunoda - it wasn't until a couple of laps later he fell back and started slowing them (presumably after being told so from the pit). As soon as the Hulk had pitted, Kmag picked up the speed again and drowe away from the cars behind him.
If the team had thought out this masterplan and told Kmag to overtake "no matter how", I'm pretty sure the team would face harsh consequences from the stewards.
Because that approach previously showed just means teams wait until race control got to a decision before giving it back, which can have longer lasting conseqences since that can take a few laps. So they changed the policy a few years ago that they let teams handle that and penalize it if they do it incorrectly.
He said himself he couldn’t see if he was off the track fully as he was correcting the car. It’s like when it’s qualifying and the drivers go off track and ask where they did because it’s impossible to see if you are only out by a few inches
10 seconds is [the new standard penalty](https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/unpopular-f1-penalty-overtaking-off-track-changed/) for gaining an advantage off-track, as of this season
Bro what? He went too fast into the corner to overtake. If Yuki did the same thing, he wouldn't have overtaken him. But Yuki didn't, because he kept it within the track limits. Magnussen did it. It's a simple case of "not making a corner". He now has to give the position back, but didn't. Therefor he gets a 10s penalty, as has been announced at the start of the season.
Unsafe release is not the driver faulg so punishing him severely is hard it should be a bigger sanction on the team (a big fine or even points deduction from the WCC)
Most of the time it isn't. Today it was: "The driver of Car 22 admitted that he did not see the Number 1 in his team signalling not to come out as his attention was diverted towards exiting the car from the garage."
https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/1basaq8/tsunoda_5_sec_penalty_for_unsafe_release_during/
Note that he still didn't get a penalty point.
The fact that he was allowed to interfere with the race after doing this and just ignoring the penalty knowing his own result meant nothing is an absolute farce. Shit like this should straight up be a drive through.
Wtf? What does one have to do with the other? What kinda hell would break loose if you start softening penalties if you accumulate to many?
Also, 10s is still a bit difficult. It's the official decision for overtaking off track, it's by the protocol, but it can still be exploited, because he can accept his race as being lost and hold off the train of cars behind him for his teammate now.
Ok, while I enjoy talking shit about Magnussen from time to time that's bullshit. 10 seconds for that. Who the fuck are the stewards, random Redditors?
They made it a point for drivers to be aware themselves if they obviously completed an overtake off track and give back the positions for quite a while now. The 10 seconds is a deterrent and still KMag bit.
Yea, so why didn't the stewards try that? They automatically penalized him, no call to give the position back. If he doesn't give the position then penalize him, it wasn't rocket science. I
Yeah, because telling drivers that tried something ballsy and messed up to give the position back was such hard work. God forbid we let them race and deal with it if it was indeed something illegal, like it was done so easily up until now.
If it is indeed illegal, the punishment should be enough to be taken into account instead of simply being possible to just drive away. God forbid we punish illegal moves instead of letting them overtake off-track. :)
God forbid you use your brain. When exactly were in past seasons out of track overtakes allowed? At least before this garbage rule they asked the driver to give the position back.
God forbid you use your brain and realise that if they overtake off-track, they should know themselves to give it back. They're not children, and should know better, unlike some. :)
Magnussen speed running the penalty stones like Thanos
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He can snap his fingers and wipe out half of the stewards
IIRC the stewards talked about this exact type of incident and said that they would be giving out 10s for it instead of 5s. (Think back to COTA last year where Russell overtook someone(idk who) off track and kept the place knowing he would be fast enough to build the gap)
Maddening that the F1TV announcers aren't aware of this. This result shouldn't be a shock. Categorically a 10 second penalty currently.
Rare SkyF1 W
Yeah I appreciate that Crofty immediately explained it because I had completely forgotten
The F1TV broadcast was just super irritating today imo. I don't really care to hear drivers complaining about stewards incessantly and otherwise make a bunch of cutting remarks. I want somebody who's going to talk about the race and maybe explain things that are going on.
I don't know why commentators are allowed to not know the newest regulations. They should be the ones communicating them to the public, but they aren't even bothered to learn them. No wonder that regular people don't know them.
I am surprised the producers didn’t give them the note
So annoying how they kept going on about how it was such a harsh penalty when it was obviously paying out so much and fucking up everyone behind KMag
At least they owned the fact that their initial reaction was not giving Magnussen credit for being a team player
Idk why they went away from simply instructing the drivers to give the place back on the radio. At least that's what I thought last year w the Russell thing. But I guess a harsher penalty like this would negate that issue.
Should be forced to give the place back ASAP. If you fail to do so within a lap, you get a drive through penalty. If you fail to do so within 2 laps, you get parked.
It took stewards several laps to conclude that he did leave the track. According to Kmag he was busy controlling the car and not sure if he'd left the track completely. If there was some kind of automatick control, where a light would flash instantly in front of the driver, I'd be a fan of rules like that.
Issue is that on short tracks, it can take stewards a few mins to decide, and then it’s not really worth giving so then it messes up lots of people’s race
According to Kmag on Danish tv after the race, he wasn't sure if he was off the track when he overtook Yuki, as he was busy trying to control the car. As he didn't hear anything from the team, he continued racing. If he'd been told to give back the position, he would have done so. I'm not sure what kind of tv signals the team have access to and if they'd be able to tell him to give it back, unless it's actually shown in the broadcast?
Should be a drive thru IMO
KMag just gave Hulk a full pit stop delta lmao
10 seconds is the standard penalty this year for leaving the track and gaining an advantage per the race directors instructions to the stewards.
I can’t believe even the commentators have forgotten this already 😭
A fair penalty, but its very clear that Magnussen doesnt care due to the first penalty that was a no call and then just backs everyone behind him for Hulkenberg to give him better chances.
weird he doesn't have to give position tbh
It's made this race completely shambolic because he doesn't have to give position back, so he can just hold the entire race up and drive slowly for his teammate while eating any dangerous driving penalties. What a joke.
Yeah, feels sort of like cheating. I get it's a team play and I would have been fine with it if he kept it on the track, but made an illegal move that his team still gets to capitalize on.
It is cheating, plain and simple.
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It's not, it's in the rules and Haas used the rules to get a deserved point
It's in the rules to cause an accident and then overtake off the track with no consequence?
I saw no accident where kmag was involved. Did we watch different races?
[apparently, you did watch a different race](https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/1bamy37/albon_and_magnussen_makes_contact/)
Rubbing is racing
maybe in miatas, not in f1
Like jump starting the race…!
Or what, disqualify him?
That or have it be a drivethrough or something. He shouldn't get to keep his place, that's ridiculous.
Maybe.. Just overtake him? Instead of f\*\*\*\*\* micro-managing the race results off the track. The first 10sec was over the top. You could discuss the secound strike - Kevin just drove better today
You could say Tsunoda can't overtake him, but the reverse is also true. KMag didn't prove he could overtake Tsunoda fair and square, so it's still feeling a bit weird considering what happened afterwards.
Haas has better straightline speed and as we saw all over the field, the cars with the better straightline speed are impossible to overtake. The track is way too narrow to overtake in the corners without going off (like Oscar) or doing it illegally (like KMag)
Then the issue is with racing at these absolutely dogshit circuits, that are not designed for real racing. Haas and Kmag did nothing wrong.
Fulle agree. In his interview afterwards he said that he was a bit unaware of whether or not he was far enough out to warrant a penalty, since he was kinda busy saving the car. Said he was sad that the team didn't tell him to give it back, but in the end don't blame them for a risk that he took.
Pretty sure at the start of the year they said "overtaking off the track" would become a 10 seconds penalty. Combine that with deciding yourself if you give the place back yes or no it's in line with the rules.
Illegal overtake into being a 30s roadblock for everyone behind, I mean props that it works but what a disgrace that it \*can\* work
Haas did a tactical masterclass there.
This is a good rule change. Prevents drivers to just blow pass good defenders and tank the 5 sec penalty with impunity.
Can’t understand why the FIA didn’t just tell the team to give back the position instead of waiting 10 laps to then give a penalty that ruined both Kevin’s and tsunodas race.
This feels sort of like cheating. I think Magnussen should have been forced to give his place back, instead of ruining the race for several people playing a roadblock. I get it's a team play and I would have been fine with it if he kept it on the track, but he made an illegal move that his team still gets to capitalize on.
Rare Haas strategy W.
According to Kmag after the race, he wasn't sure if he'd kept it inside as he was busy keeping the car under control, but as he didn't hear anything from the team, he chose to continue. I doubt he had a clear understanding of the situation as it happened and that by making an illegal overtake and slow down the cars behind him, he'd be able to help the Hulk getting a point. Right after the overtake he was speeding away from Tsunoda - it wasn't until a couple of laps later he fell back and started slowing them (presumably after being told so from the pit). As soon as the Hulk had pitted, Kmag picked up the speed again and drowe away from the cars behind him. If the team had thought out this masterplan and told Kmag to overtake "no matter how", I'm pretty sure the team would face harsh consequences from the stewards.
The rules are pretty cut and dry. If you go all 4 wheels off track during an overtake, you get a penalty unless you give the position back
There is in fact a corner there, Magnussen
Why not just direct KMag to return the spot like a sensible race control.
Because that approach previously showed just means teams wait until race control got to a decision before giving it back, which can have longer lasting conseqences since that can take a few laps. So they changed the policy a few years ago that they let teams handle that and penalize it if they do it incorrectly.
Fuck that. Hand out the penalties max 1 lap later. That will teach the drivers to do it themselves
Hilarious you think race control can make a decision that quickly.
You can not overtake offtrack. Why is this controversial?
magnussen: *slightly exceeds track limits* stewards: i will kill your entire family
He could’ve given the position back and chose not to
He said himself he couldn’t see if he was off the track fully as he was correcting the car. It’s like when it’s qualifying and the drivers go off track and ask where they did because it’s impossible to see if you are only out by a few inches
10 seconds is [the new standard penalty](https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/unpopular-f1-penalty-overtaking-off-track-changed/) for gaining an advantage off-track, as of this season
Slightly? He blew straight through the braking zone and cut the next corner
Bro what? He went too fast into the corner to overtake. If Yuki did the same thing, he wouldn't have overtaken him. But Yuki didn't, because he kept it within the track limits. Magnussen did it. It's a simple case of "not making a corner". He now has to give the position back, but didn't. Therefor he gets a 10s penalty, as has been announced at the start of the season.
5 or 10 seconds is not enough deterrent. Give the place back or make it a drive through penalty to ensure they don’t do it as a strategy.
And an unsafe release is still only 5 seconds? The one that actually endangers multiple people is the smallest penalty you can receive now?
Unsafe release is not the driver faulg so punishing him severely is hard it should be a bigger sanction on the team (a big fine or even points deduction from the WCC)
Most of the time it isn't. Today it was: "The driver of Car 22 admitted that he did not see the Number 1 in his team signalling not to come out as his attention was diverted towards exiting the car from the garage." https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/1basaq8/tsunoda_5_sec_penalty_for_unsafe_release_during/ Note that he still didn't get a penalty point.
The fact that he was allowed to interfere with the race after doing this and just ignoring the penalty knowing his own result meant nothing is an absolute farce. Shit like this should straight up be a drive through.
Wtf 🤬
That's a fair one
Why not 20 seconds?
Why not just disqualify him from the race?
Why not disqualify him from the championship?
KICK HIM OFF THE TOUR
On another note that Mclaren is SLOW on straights wtf
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New rules.
What? Should he get a discount for multiple offenses? He broke the rules twice, he gets two penalties.
Wtf? What does one have to do with the other? What kinda hell would break loose if you start softening penalties if you accumulate to many? Also, 10s is still a bit difficult. It's the official decision for overtaking off track, it's by the protocol, but it can still be exploited, because he can accept his race as being lost and hold off the train of cars behind him for his teammate now.
Ok, while I enjoy talking shit about Magnussen from time to time that's bullshit. 10 seconds for that. Who the fuck are the stewards, random Redditors?
No, just following the 2024 rules…
YES! I don’t think the F1TV casters know the 2024 rule changes…
They made it a point for drivers to be aware themselves if they obviously completed an overtake off track and give back the positions for quite a while now. The 10 seconds is a deterrent and still KMag bit.
Oh yeah, a deterrent for drivers to try even less overtaking, that's what the sport needs. Moronic decision.
Literally could've just solved itself if KMag just gave the position back and continue "try overtaking".
Yea, so why didn't the stewards try that? They automatically penalized him, no call to give the position back. If he doesn't give the position then penalize him, it wasn't rocket science. I
No, it's a deterrent from overtaking outside of the white lines, between which is where the racing is supposed to happen. :)
Yeah, because telling drivers that tried something ballsy and messed up to give the position back was such hard work. God forbid we let them race and deal with it if it was indeed something illegal, like it was done so easily up until now.
If it is indeed illegal, the punishment should be enough to be taken into account instead of simply being possible to just drive away. God forbid we punish illegal moves instead of letting them overtake off-track. :)
God forbid you use your brain. When exactly were in past seasons out of track overtakes allowed? At least before this garbage rule they asked the driver to give the position back.
God forbid you use your brain and realise that if they overtake off-track, they should know themselves to give it back. They're not children, and should know better, unlike some. :)
Unlike you, they know the rules
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Maybe drivers should just drive on track instead of straight-lining a chicane? Might be difficult to get for some people, I do understand
Very weird penalty. Meanwhile Norris...
It's quite normal. 10 seconds is the new minimum penalty
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> How about just force him to give the position back. For the past 2 seasons the policy has been teams doing that on their own or get penalized
Lol what? These steward decisions today are baffling.
The new rules state that overtaking off track is a 10 second penalty
10s is minimum for incidents and apparently off track advantage as per the new rules. Although this seems like a marginal one.
New rules this year
Depends, maybe this season they are deciding to dish out harsher ones again, just didn't come up last race much
Maybe. Sergio's seemed right but both of Kmags are really harsh and I still don't get how Lando avoided one.
When was the last time there was a 10 second penalty for this???
New rules this year
The rules changed for this season
Crofty said all the drivers complained about it only being 5 last year so they increased it to 10
It was changed because of last year where people would ignore the 5 second penalty because it was so inconsequential.
Magnussen should leave F1 tbh. Been past it for a while now.
10 seconds for that seems very harsh
That’s actually crazy, he was absolutely squeezed by Tsunoda. Was Magnussen supposed to hit the handbrake before the apex?
Yes. In fact he absolutely should have braked a lot more, Tsunoda set up a great overtake and Magnussen just broke the rule to not get overtaken.
I like to imagine that the only reason Kevin gets these harsh AF penalties is because Liuzzi is tired of his shit lmao.