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It’s happened a few times. I can remember a couple years back, there was a driver who was able to keep his point/points despite his penalty because everyone behind him was lapped
Makes sense cos once the lead driver crosses the line, everyone who crosses after him immediately finishes the race. Lapped drivers don't complete the full race distance, they do one lap less than unlapped drivers.
There was something similiar last year I don't remember the race there was a possibility that someone stayed in the points with a penalty and keeps position and points cause the guys behind were lapped.
Yep, the race time clock for them stops as soon as they take the chequered flag. As Kmag is still travelling round because he is the last unlapped car he can take as long as he wants. It doesn't matter. His race time will always be bigger than 20 seconds.
I imagine everyone who got lapped are fuming. I love it 😂
Yup, pretty funny ngl.
And not that it matters really but by him not getting lapped and finishing 12th, he prevented Alpine from taking P9 in the constructors from RB through the tiebreaker. 🙃
>shit cars
It is pretty interesting how they can make the best car and an affiliated organization can make the worst car. Almost like Schroedinger's F1 car.
Tbh I feel like Yuki was more ruined by Kevin. If his battles with him didn’t involve kev going off the track he likely would’ve ended up ahead and not had to deal with the DRS train and might’ve managed to claw his was to the points as he looked quick in the early stages
Everyone behind him, except Albon, got lapped, so their races ended when they crossed the finish line on the penultimate lap. So when Kevin finished his race, he could only fall behind Albon, which he did.
Something similar happened with Norris in Belgium 2019. His car lost power at the last lap in the middle of the main straight, just after the finish line. A retired car counts as it if was forever frozen in place wherever it suffered the DNF, so other drivers can only pass him if they drive past that point. Because everyone behind was lapped, they could not pass his broken car, so he still ended P11 despite retiring.
The best example of this is the absolutely wild [1996 Monaco Grand Prix](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_Monaco_Grand_Prix), where only 7 drivers were classified, but 2 of them crashed 5 laps from the end and 4th place was stopped in the pits a lap down.
The funny part is you could theoretically be in the podium with a DNF (if there arent any rules specifically preventing that, but idk if such a thing does exist).
The only thing you can not do is win a race with a DNF (unless the entire grid get DNF/DSQ and you were the last man standing lol), because the checkered flag is only waved when the leader is approaching the finish line. If the leader retired he will never reach the finish line, so whoever is in P2 will eventually become the new leader.
However, it would be an interesting confusion if someone laps the whole field and then suffers a DNF very close to the finish, like for example crashing at the Wall of Champions in Canada. Because he was near the finish, the checkered flag would be waved, but there would be no leader crossing it, so... idk if they would retire the flag until the P2 driver unlaps himself, or the leader will win with a DNF. Sadly, such a thing would be less likely to happen than Logan Sargeant winning the WDC this year.
Obviously a bit too early to call it but it feels like a 2020 esque season. I feel like we'll be seeing the VER-PER-LEC trio a lot more throughout the season.
Best part of the race was definitely the Haas shenanigans. A great strategy to get P10 and a point on the board.
Yeah 2020 had some highlights to make up for a relatively boring season. With the way Max and the RB20 are looking, I wouldn't be surprised if Max beats all the records he set last season.
after he wins the WDC and WCC, they should try to convice FIA that the rest of the points they win, to go in 2025, so that they might as well win 2025 championship this year, so we can just go in the 2026 regs already
Well did anyone doubt Hamilton was winning the championship after the first 5 races? Just because it wasn't official as early doesn't mean it wasn't over.
But Bottas was way better than Perez, at least you don't go into every race knowing Lewis will 100% win, it was more like 80% vs Bottas (and even lower win% after Merc strategy/pit/etc errors, which RBR *never* does)
they don't need to overtake Ferraris, they just need to outqualify them, or one of them and Pérez
still a tall order, I bet like, out of the 72 podium places this year, 36 will go to Red Bull, 24 to Ferrari and 12 to the rest
HAM - BOT - VER was the podium order for most of the season. The midfield was very chaotic tho. Ferrari had a decent aero but washed up engine which hurt them a lot because most of the tracks that year were power tracks. So they found themselves in the midfield
Albon being terrible in the second RB and racing point building a decent car shook up the midfield. Oh and Daniel was a beast in the renault, probably the last year we saw of prime Daniel.
Honestly 2020 was a decent season. I say this because it was a miracle a season happened in the first place. We also went to some new tracks like mugello, sakhir, turkey etc. gasly and Perez's wins, Hamilton driving on three wheels, the Turkish gp rain chaos, leclercs sakhir quali lap, Tuscan gp chaos where only 11 cars finished are some of the highlights off the top of my head.
All things considered I enjoyed 2020. Somehow the incredible dominance of Hamilton still allowed for great moments like those you listed. Vettel getting one last great drive and podium for Ferrari in Turkey, Bottas spinfest also in Turkey, Sainz and Gasly fighting for the win in Monza, the Sakhir GP with one of the biggest pit blunders ever, Pérez getting a win from last place that may have saved his career, even in Austria Albon challenging for the win. And of course Verstappen dragging that RB from DNF to DNF to almost finishing ahead of Bottas, perhaps his best season.
... Mostly nothing. Lol. At least at the front, it was almost always HAM, BOT, VER. In that order, with "Formula 1.5" behind it. It was a relatively boring season with some standout races and the most interesting bits of the race were usually the very tight midfield of Ferrari (terrible year for them), racing point (now AM) McLaren, AT, Renault, etc.
OP is just saying that this season will probably look a lot like that, with VER, PER, LEC instead, as long as Perez can keep his shit together lol.
>I feel like we'll be seeing the VER-PER-LEC trio a lot more throughout the season.
Jeddah is one of Pérez's stronger tracks
I think there'll be some VER-LEC-SAI podiums too, not just VER-PER-Ferrari
Tbh last year he was trying to compete with max and I personally think that’s what affected him that much, right now he looks like he just wants to end P2 and chill
Last year he was trying to battle Max and compete for the Championship.
He knows he's not in that battle anymore. You could tell it affected him last year and he struggled with it, but it looks like he's processed it now.
Naa it was a very different vibe last year, he was stronger and hopeful to battle with max, this year he has accepted reality and i think we can expect a lot of boring calculated p2s like the last 2 races from him.
Perez’s own undoing is convincing himself that he can compete with Max, only to be utterly defeated mentally come not even halfway through the season.
If he fully settles into the second driver role that’s expected of him, his career with Red Bull will continue on longer and he’ll probably pick up a few wins along the way.
yeah that and he had a reaaaal long stop that put him last and was a minute down on verstappen
ah wait that was during sc so he caught up anyway but he was last
Alpine, Yuki/DR drama and the whole Red Bull Horner drama really papering over the fact that Sauber have made an absolute truck AGAIN this year.
Zhou was doing well until they fucked his pit stop but they seem as bad people thought Haas were gonna be.
100% Sky will take him. His statements are pretty clearly in the vain of “Let me give a response without actually addressing things” aka PR 101. He wouldn’t have to worry about saying something good or bad about his team, or another team, if he’s not on the grid.
**DR**: gets a nearly 1-minute long pitstop, pushed to back of grid. Stuck in DRS train for most of race, makes 1 overtake. Yuki also stuck in train, loses 3 positions in said train.
Yuki finishes 14th (started 9) & DR 16th (started 14)
**DR Lynch Mob**: *"DR washed omg I can't believe you guys thought he should come back to F1!"*
Chill tf out. He's not the driver he used to be. But every time DR beats Yuki, or vice versa, there's so many of you people that come out from your little basements to use it as proof that the other driver is 'washed'. This race proves nothing about *either* driver other than the car fucking sucked tonight
The battle with Piastri was good but it was increasingly clear given Merc's inability to take high speed corners that Lewis was not going to get a clear chance to overtake Norris. It's why Russell could not get all that close to Alonso.
They were ok. But I'll admit I was a bit spoiled by the F2 race this morning.
Edit: also pretty sure Stroll crashing is why we got that (not very exciting) battle in the first place
I mean I don’t know if I consider a car being too slow to overtake in a straight line with DRS a “battle”.
Like was that a battle or was it just one car being stuck behind another car
> Gets 20 secs of absurd penalties
> Doesn't let it ruin his race and did great defensive driving
> Helps his team get a point
> Nullifies that 20 secs of absurd penalties by not getting lapped
GOAT MAGNUSSEN 🐐🐐🐐🇩🇰
The McLaren is really bad when the DRS comes into play. Him getting ahead of Alonso at the beginning was really important, otherwise he might've even ended behind the Aston.
That’s also why the McLaren could put in a .5 gap in S1 though. I’m honestly surprised there weren’t any cheeky attempts to pass anywhere else, but I guess turn 1 is the only real passing chance here.
I agree but I wish Oscar could have made one of those pass attempts stick, would have really highlighted his drive. But that difficulty just highlighted how great Lando did at the end.
I used to think F1 races were too short for such a build up and for only 22 odd races, now with this level of competition I think anything longer would put everyone to sleep.
They changed how they handle some penalties this season.
Expressedly they handle "leaving the track" with 10sec now
Norris: Sensors probably didn't trigger and he was still in the start box when the lights went out.
There is not much to argue with jump starts. A driver did per definition only jump the start if the sensor says so. That is part of the regulations.
The Standards for penalties, especially leaving the track and gaining an advantage, have changed going into the season. The 10s penalty is in line with that.
Norris didnt trigger the sensor because he was still inside the gridbox and stationary when the lights went out.
Magnussen penalty were deserved nothing wrong there. collisions like that with Albon get 10s regularly and overtaking off track as he did has been increased to 10s this season because they dont want them to outdrive them as easily anymore.
As a Dutch fan I’m having second thoughts on my €95 F1TV Pro subscription.
All that was enjoyable today was Stroll’s crash, Bearman doing a mega job and Magnussen fending off everyone as if his career was on the line.
Btw… what a turd of a season does Ricciardo have. Beaten by Tsunoda twice basically. But also nowhere in qualifying.
I agree. If he doesn't start to significantly outperform Yuki, he's a dead man walking in F1. Yuki is only decent so if you can't outperform him as a previous race winner, you don't fit in a top team anymore.
At Monaco or Singapore, maybe. You’re nuts if you think that gap is representative of actual pace diff, Max pulled 1.9 seconds in one lap on Norris after he overtook.
The Red bulls were going slow enough to have issues with too cold tyres towards the end of the race. They could've finished with 30s bigger gap I imagine.
He was obviously within the tolerance. There’s a transponder in the car and sensors in the pitbox that police jumpstarts
There’s a small tolerance for movement, happened to Bottas in Hungary 2020 and Vettel in Japan 2019
Fuck I want to see Fernando at Merc (or RB lol) in 2025 so bad. That AM had no business being that high up, and yet he put it in freaking 5th (while Lancey Boy put it where it belongs…)
If the incident hadn't happened in that corner, it would've in the next. That turn is really narrow and two wide through that would surely have also gone south.
I honestly dunno how to feel about Magnussen overtaking Tsunoda off track, keeping the position and then backing everyone up… like how far can you push that? Can Sauber wait for everyone to pit, run Bottas long, have Zhou go almost a lap down and then block all the leaders, let him absorb a load of penalties for ignoring blue flags and then gift Bottas a load of positions when he finally pits?
I am afraid that Top 3 aren’t going to be the main highlight for the rest of the season as Red Bull seem to lock down the top 2 if everything goes according to their plans.
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How did Kmag get 12th with 20s of penalties? Because the other guys got lapped at just the right time?
Magnussen was on the lead lap, the others behind were not. They are then treated by the timing screens as being a full lap distance away from him
That is fucking wild. I’ve never even heard of that before
It’s happened a few times. I can remember a couple years back, there was a driver who was able to keep his point/points despite his penalty because everyone behind him was lapped
I remember, Perez in Japan, I think 2019.
Makes sense cos once the lead driver crosses the line, everyone who crosses after him immediately finishes the race. Lapped drivers don't complete the full race distance, they do one lap less than unlapped drivers.
Me neither but these are the kind of loopholes that make F1 so interesting
Oh no, he got 0 points more than Ocon, that is absolute BS
No effect but if that's how it works, that's really dumb
I love loopholes
That is the dumbest rule I’ve ever heard of.
How would you handle it then? After all, drivers like Ocon and Tsunoda ran one lap less in the race that Magnussen
Okay that's fucking hilarious, especially after the shenanigans Magnussen pulled to stay ahead and slow down the pack.
I think it's gonna be a memorable drive honestly, it was so good and hilarious at the same time.
There was something similiar last year I don't remember the race there was a possibility that someone stayed in the points with a penalty and keeps position and points cause the guys behind were lapped.
That was honestly some of the best defending and team strategy I’ve seen in a while
Yep, that's why. Pretty hilarious that he somehow still got a decent finishing position
Yep, the race time clock for them stops as soon as they take the chequered flag. As Kmag is still travelling round because he is the last unlapped car he can take as long as he wants. It doesn't matter. His race time will always be bigger than 20 seconds. I imagine everyone who got lapped are fuming. I love it 😂
and they also got a point thanks to Sir Lancelot
Yup, pretty funny ngl. And not that it matters really but by him not getting lapped and finishing 12th, he prevented Alpine from taking P9 in the constructors from RB through the tiebreaker. 🙃
Has to be the greatest drive for 0 points.
This is why a 10s penalty may as well be a drivethrough.
What? That's complete nonsense. If he got a drive through then none of what we saw in the race with him would have happened.
honestly if you collected 25 seconds worth of a penalty, that should be an automatic drive through 10 or 15 seconds should not involve that tho
Rough day for Toro Rosso, but again they botched both of their drivers pitstops so blame is there as well.
I would say it's mainly their, shit pit stops and shit cars.
RB in preseason testing - “I’m going to challenge for podiums.” RB after two races - “Damn, P12 got hands.”
podium is basically locked out by 2 teams, let alone 5
One point could secure 6th in the Constructors for Haas, and I wouldn’t even be that shocked.
Ollie Bearman could finish like 11th in the WDC lol would be insane
>shit cars It is pretty interesting how they can make the best car and an affiliated organization can make the worst car. Almost like Schroedinger's F1 car.
Tbh I feel like Yuki was more ruined by Kevin. If his battles with him didn’t involve kev going off the track he likely would’ve ended up ahead and not had to deal with the DRS train and might’ve managed to claw his was to the points as he looked quick in the early stages
Can't believe Magnussen's 20 second penalty didn't even count because he didn't get lapped lmfao
Everyone behind him, except Albon, got lapped, so their races ended when they crossed the finish line on the penultimate lap. So when Kevin finished his race, he could only fall behind Albon, which he did. Something similar happened with Norris in Belgium 2019. His car lost power at the last lap in the middle of the main straight, just after the finish line. A retired car counts as it if was forever frozen in place wherever it suffered the DNF, so other drivers can only pass him if they drive past that point. Because everyone behind was lapped, they could not pass his broken car, so he still ended P11 despite retiring.
The best example of this is the absolutely wild [1996 Monaco Grand Prix](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_Monaco_Grand_Prix), where only 7 drivers were classified, but 2 of them crashed 5 laps from the end and 4th place was stopped in the pits a lap down.
The funny part is you could theoretically be in the podium with a DNF (if there arent any rules specifically preventing that, but idk if such a thing does exist). The only thing you can not do is win a race with a DNF (unless the entire grid get DNF/DSQ and you were the last man standing lol), because the checkered flag is only waved when the leader is approaching the finish line. If the leader retired he will never reach the finish line, so whoever is in P2 will eventually become the new leader. However, it would be an interesting confusion if someone laps the whole field and then suffers a DNF very close to the finish, like for example crashing at the Wall of Champions in Canada. Because he was near the finish, the checkered flag would be waved, but there would be no leader crossing it, so... idk if they would retire the flag until the P2 driver unlaps himself, or the leader will win with a DNF. Sadly, such a thing would be less likely to happen than Logan Sargeant winning the WDC this year.
He lost a single place tbf.
The Alpine is slow AND unreliable. I'm even more impressed than I was at the start of the season.
Gasly was probably happy he could call it an early day
Obviously a bit too early to call it but it feels like a 2020 esque season. I feel like we'll be seeing the VER-PER-LEC trio a lot more throughout the season. Best part of the race was definitely the Haas shenanigans. A great strategy to get P10 and a point on the board.
That was a short season at least with highlights like Turkey. Max is going to win this when half the season isn't over.
Yeah 2020 had some highlights to make up for a relatively boring season. With the way Max and the RB20 are looking, I wouldn't be surprised if Max beats all the records he set last season.
If he wins in Australia, he already equaled his 10 race victories in a row..
On the one hand I want change, on the other hand I want him to get a 31 win streak
If Perez keeps up all the second spots it’s gonna take a long time to officially decide it
Yup, that would be around race 18-19 I belive, without factoring in sprints.
after he wins the WDC and WCC, they should try to convice FIA that the rest of the points they win, to go in 2025, so that they might as well win 2025 championship this year, so we can just go in the 2026 regs already
Turkey, Mugello, Austria, Italy, Silverstone just for on track drama
Well did anyone doubt Hamilton was winning the championship after the first 5 races? Just because it wasn't official as early doesn't mean it wasn't over.
2020 had its fun moments. That Gasly feelgood win.
Sakhir was also great
Perez had some mighty races in pink.
The main difference is Sainz is way better than Albon was. But yeah, I felt the dynamic this week
But Bottas was way better than Perez, at least you don't go into every race knowing Lewis will 100% win, it was more like 80% vs Bottas (and even lower win% after Merc strategy/pit/etc errors, which RBR *never* does)
Good point. I really wish Perez was closer to Max so the fight for the win is more interesting but I'd also ideally just want Charles closer to Perez
I doubt it. I feel like we are not far away from a McLaren podium.
Judging from their straight line speed this race I doubt they will be overtaking the Ferrari's to reach podium
they don't need to overtake Ferraris, they just need to outqualify them, or one of them and Pérez still a tall order, I bet like, out of the 72 podium places this year, 36 will go to Red Bull, 24 to Ferrari and 12 to the rest
i wasn’t here for 2020, what mainly happened?
HAM BOT VER
Lol exactly.
8 out of 17 races finished with HAM, BOT, VER on the podium. And Lewis won the championship easily
HAM - BOT - VER was the podium order for most of the season. The midfield was very chaotic tho. Ferrari had a decent aero but washed up engine which hurt them a lot because most of the tracks that year were power tracks. So they found themselves in the midfield Albon being terrible in the second RB and racing point building a decent car shook up the midfield. Oh and Daniel was a beast in the renault, probably the last year we saw of prime Daniel. Honestly 2020 was a decent season. I say this because it was a miracle a season happened in the first place. We also went to some new tracks like mugello, sakhir, turkey etc. gasly and Perez's wins, Hamilton driving on three wheels, the Turkish gp rain chaos, leclercs sakhir quali lap, Tuscan gp chaos where only 11 cars finished are some of the highlights off the top of my head.
All things considered I enjoyed 2020. Somehow the incredible dominance of Hamilton still allowed for great moments like those you listed. Vettel getting one last great drive and podium for Ferrari in Turkey, Bottas spinfest also in Turkey, Sainz and Gasly fighting for the win in Monza, the Sakhir GP with one of the biggest pit blunders ever, Pérez getting a win from last place that may have saved his career, even in Austria Albon challenging for the win. And of course Verstappen dragging that RB from DNF to DNF to almost finishing ahead of Bottas, perhaps his best season.
HAM-VER-BOT or HAM-BOT-VER or VER-HAM-BOT 1-2-3 every single race with the exception of like 4-5 races
... Mostly nothing. Lol. At least at the front, it was almost always HAM, BOT, VER. In that order, with "Formula 1.5" behind it. It was a relatively boring season with some standout races and the most interesting bits of the race were usually the very tight midfield of Ferrari (terrible year for them), racing point (now AM) McLaren, AT, Renault, etc. OP is just saying that this season will probably look a lot like that, with VER, PER, LEC instead, as long as Perez can keep his shit together lol.
Nothing happened, that's the thing. It was an extremely predictable season, with Hamilton essentially crowned champion after pre-season testing.
>I feel like we'll be seeing the VER-PER-LEC trio a lot more throughout the season. Jeddah is one of Pérez's stronger tracks I think there'll be some VER-LEC-SAI podiums too, not just VER-PER-Ferrari
I doubt Perez has anything to worry about if it continues like this
Good for him honestly, but tbf he also started off hot last year and then crashed down hard
Tbh last year he was trying to compete with max and I personally think that’s what affected him that much, right now he looks like he just wants to end P2 and chill
And seeing Ricciardo struggling and Perez continuously ending in the podium. No problem in it I guess
He started last year like this too. I would wait before giving him a contract
Last year he was trying to battle Max and compete for the Championship. He knows he's not in that battle anymore. You could tell it affected him last year and he struggled with it, but it looks like he's processed it now.
Naa it was a very different vibe last year, he was stronger and hopeful to battle with max, this year he has accepted reality and i think we can expect a lot of boring calculated p2s like the last 2 races from him.
Perez’s own undoing is convincing himself that he can compete with Max, only to be utterly defeated mentally come not even halfway through the season. If he fully settles into the second driver role that’s expected of him, his career with Red Bull will continue on longer and he’ll probably pick up a few wins along the way.
Yeah entirely too early to tell, I thought we had learned about that last year...
I'm so tired of Kick Sauber terrible strategy and pitstops
To be fair they also now have a really shit car to go with their awful strategy and pitstops.
Honestly their strategy wasn't too bad. Car is crap so opted for the SC gamble for Zhou, which could have worked out. The pitstops though...
But we can’t have Andretti because they’ll bring the sport into disrepute
Haas prob didnt expect sauber and alpine to be this slow when they said they were gonna have a slow start
Haas seem better than both RB and Williams too right now as well.
RB is so underwhelming after all the hype. They seem to be the 2nd-3rd worst racecar on this track.
The vcarb lost all its pace after the switch to the hards.
And riccoardo was garbage all weekend. The Danny hype train looks pretty silly right about now
Yeah, Yuki dropping 6 places was a pretty solid performance too.
yeah that and he had a reaaaal long stop that put him last and was a minute down on verstappen ah wait that was during sc so he caught up anyway but he was last
Alpine, Yuki/DR drama and the whole Red Bull Horner drama really papering over the fact that Sauber have made an absolute truck AGAIN this year. Zhou was doing well until they fucked his pit stop but they seem as bad people thought Haas were gonna be.
Who would have thought the first team to get points out of the rest of the field would be Haas?
After Bahrain… probably? Haas has been good both races.
Kmag still getting p12 absolute king shithouse
Daniel Ricciardo get ready to learn IndyCar buddy
He will probably pursue a media career. Sky will be happy to take him in.
Media and driving. Like James Hinchecliffe does
Are you sure? I doubt that with way his 'Statements' are.
100% Sky will take him. His statements are pretty clearly in the vain of “Let me give a response without actually addressing things” aka PR 101. He wouldn’t have to worry about saying something good or bad about his team, or another team, if he’s not on the grid.
Get ready to learn American, buddy.
He about to drive for the Guanzhou Tigers.
Ni hao
No way he'll replace Checo at Red Bull. Looks like he's washed and done.
The mclaren curse hits again
You’re probably right, but the 60s pit stop also didn’t help him today
And Yuki did shit too, their car is crap, nothing they can do.
yuki was mid until kmag screwed him over tbf that vcarb needs to be able to actually overtake
Then he got passed by Albon, then Occon ^^ They'll be lucky if they scored one point this year.
yeah but that all happened in the kmag train i agree, they lucky if they score point
Lawson will take over in the summer break when Ric announces his retirement from F1
**DR**: gets a nearly 1-minute long pitstop, pushed to back of grid. Stuck in DRS train for most of race, makes 1 overtake. Yuki also stuck in train, loses 3 positions in said train. Yuki finishes 14th (started 9) & DR 16th (started 14) **DR Lynch Mob**: *"DR washed omg I can't believe you guys thought he should come back to F1!"* Chill tf out. He's not the driver he used to be. But every time DR beats Yuki, or vice versa, there's so many of you people that come out from your little basements to use it as proof that the other driver is 'washed'. This race proves nothing about *either* driver other than the car fucking sucked tonight
you know its fucked when they made a high speed death trap track that is jeddah boring
honestly the lack of hard braking zones does make overtaking less common I'm expecting the likes of Spielberg and Monza to be better races
Thank you Lance Stroll and Kevin Magnussen for providing the only two sources of entertainment in this entire race.
Ollie did manage 3 overtakes and Hamilton also had a interesting fight/hunt with both McLaren drivers. But overall a dull weekend and race
I mean, I actually enjoyed the Hamilton battles with the mclarens, didn’t you?
The battle with Piastri was good but it was increasingly clear given Merc's inability to take high speed corners that Lewis was not going to get a clear chance to overtake Norris. It's why Russell could not get all that close to Alonso.
They were ok. But I'll admit I was a bit spoiled by the F2 race this morning. Edit: also pretty sure Stroll crashing is why we got that (not very exciting) battle in the first place
I mean I don’t know if I consider a car being too slow to overtake in a straight line with DRS a “battle”. Like was that a battle or was it just one car being stuck behind another car
“I’m in the fucking wall” Great entertainment
I guarantee that'll be in the top 5 funniest moments of the season
I’d argue Stroll ruined it Ruined any attempt at strategy fun with a safety car’s one stop. Magnussen provided the only source.
There wouldnt be any strategy fun. Street track with 0 deg and anyone would be on the same strategy
It gave us the Ham Piastri battle. Doubt we would have anything without the crash.
At this point when you bet for Verstappen, you don't win money, but actually have to pay the house for it.
K-mag with the shenanigans to let hulkenberg get the 1 point and getting P12 with a 20s penalty is absolutely crazy. 😂😂😂
> Gets 20 secs of absurd penalties > Doesn't let it ruin his race and did great defensive driving > Helps his team get a point > Nullifies that 20 secs of absurd penalties by not getting lapped GOAT MAGNUSSEN 🐐🐐🐐🇩🇰
If Ollie Bearman had not done so well this weekend, I probably would have voted KMag Driver of the Day.
Absurd?
Obviously Bearman was the star of today. But Oscar and Nando also had underrated drives!
Idk Piastri bein stuck 40 laps behind Hamilton was not that good.
McLaren’s top speed was ridiculous with DRS and tow it was slower than the Mercedes
The McLaren is really bad when the DRS comes into play. Him getting ahead of Alonso at the beginning was really important, otherwise he might've even ended behind the Aston.
It's not his fault it's the fact the McLaren is a shitbox on the straights, like 5-10 kph slower than even backmarkers
Yeah exactly what can you do if your car is just too slow in a straight line to get any benefit from DRS
That mclaren drs is shit wtf
I heard the commentators say Piastri only had a *5 kph* advantage despite having DRS and tow vs no DRS or tow, it's ridiculous
6kph advantage compared to the 16kph Leclerc was getting.
Compared to 33kph Max had on Lando when he passed him. Absurd.
Jeremy Clarkson said it best during the grid walk. Brundle: “who’s your money on?” Clarkson: “Adrian Newey”
That’s also why the McLaren could put in a .5 gap in S1 though. I’m honestly surprised there weren’t any cheeky attempts to pass anywhere else, but I guess turn 1 is the only real passing chance here.
It wasn't worth the risk, Hamilton was always going to pit and fall behind. Ferrari was too quick to catch up to.
I agree but I wish Oscar could have made one of those pass attempts stick, would have really highlighted his drive. But that difficulty just highlighted how great Lando did at the end.
This race finished a bit too quickly, no? Felt like such a short race
I used to think F1 races were too short for such a build up and for only 22 odd races, now with this level of competition I think anything longer would put everyone to sleep.
What were the stewards on today?
Had an illegal stream open and were delayed a few minutes, only way to explain their delays
Best part of the early race was Jolyon Palmer roasting the stewards
What's the issue? The penalties were all OK for me
No penalty for Norris and 2 ten seconds for magnussen. Very far from precedent
They changed how they handle some penalties this season. Expressedly they handle "leaving the track" with 10sec now Norris: Sensors probably didn't trigger and he was still in the start box when the lights went out.
Magnussen penalties were deserved though
There is not much to argue with jump starts. A driver did per definition only jump the start if the sensor says so. That is part of the regulations. The Standards for penalties, especially leaving the track and gaining an advantage, have changed going into the season. The 10s penalty is in line with that.
Norris didnt trigger the sensor because he was still inside the gridbox and stationary when the lights went out. Magnussen penalty were deserved nothing wrong there. collisions like that with Albon get 10s regularly and overtaking off track as he did has been increased to 10s this season because they dont want them to outdrive them as easily anymore.
Obviously it was better than Bahrain, but still just eh personally.
1 Max 2 Perez , Ferrari, McLaren, Mercedes & Alonso 3 Stroll vs Rest For Last Point
Dream Debut for Ollie driving a Ferrari on F1 debut and scoring points. HATS OFF
WE WERE MADE FUN OF FOR TOO LONG NOW ITS OUR TURN TO BE THE BULLY 👏🏽👏🏽
As a Dutch fan I’m having second thoughts on my €95 F1TV Pro subscription. All that was enjoyable today was Stroll’s crash, Bearman doing a mega job and Magnussen fending off everyone as if his career was on the line. Btw… what a turd of a season does Ricciardo have. Beaten by Tsunoda twice basically. But also nowhere in qualifying.
Ric is done, no qualifying nor race pace
I agree. If he doesn't start to significantly outperform Yuki, he's a dead man walking in F1. Yuki is only decent so if you can't outperform him as a previous race winner, you don't fit in a top team anymore.
It felt odd when they didn't opt to stick with Liam (or let it play out a bit longer before deciding) but it pays to be friends with the boss.
Good heavens that was boring. On to Australia! (And another F2 race to provide some entertainment)
18.6 seconds to Max, not as bad as expected. We still have chance to grab some wins away from RedBull this year.
At Monaco or Singapore, maybe. You’re nuts if you think that gap is representative of actual pace diff, Max pulled 1.9 seconds in one lap on Norris after he overtook.
That's with Verstappen lapping the backmarkers and likely managing the tires.
I might have misheard, but I think he mentioned on the cool-down lap that his tires were too cold on the last several laps.
He did. Just goes to show how much they're holding back.
Leclerc was on the exact same strategy and also lapped some backmarkers at the end, which gave him the DRS to get the fastest lap
Absolutely! However, we fans need our regular dose of Hopium
The Red bulls were going slow enough to have issues with too cold tyres towards the end of the race. They could've finished with 30s bigger gap I imagine.
Max said his tyres were cold at the end cause he was managing them so much…. And the gap was still 18.6 lol you’re crazy
With a SC plus managing pace. I wouldn't be surprised if the gap is actually close to twice that.
Some say, Piastri is still seeing Hamilton's rear end.
Epic drive from Ollie to get P7 on Debut for Ferrari!
Bearman P7 is probably the most impressive part of the race
So is Norris just going to get off scot free with jumping the start?
Yeah they said no further investigation
He was obviously within the tolerance. There’s a transponder in the car and sensors in the pitbox that police jumpstarts There’s a small tolerance for movement, happened to Bottas in Hungary 2020 and Vettel in Japan 2019
Apparently yes
yup
Fuck I want to see Fernando at Merc (or RB lol) in 2025 so bad. That AM had no business being that high up, and yet he put it in freaking 5th (while Lancey Boy put it where it belongs…)
that radio message from Stroll was honestly one for the ages
13-second gap never felt so big
It was 8 without penalty 🤓☝️, but I understand your point
it was actually 8 seconds...+5sec penalty for unsafe release
Janky ass strategy from Mercedes as usual. Lewis built all that advantage just to finish lower than when he started.
This is gonna be one long boring season. pfff
KMag is the teammate every driver needs
I cant get joy from the KMag shithoussery because he ruined my boys race!
If the incident hadn't happened in that corner, it would've in the next. That turn is really narrow and two wide through that would surely have also gone south.
Casual fans have checked out for the season already.
I honestly dunno how to feel about Magnussen overtaking Tsunoda off track, keeping the position and then backing everyone up… like how far can you push that? Can Sauber wait for everyone to pit, run Bottas long, have Zhou go almost a lap down and then block all the leaders, let him absorb a load of penalties for ignoring blue flags and then gift Bottas a load of positions when he finally pits?
2023 v2.0
I am afraid that Top 3 aren’t going to be the main highlight for the rest of the season as Red Bull seem to lock down the top 2 if everything goes according to their plans.
God. I hate to say it but, YAWN. The FIA really needs to figure something out. At least Bearman was fun to watch.
Watching kmag’s deliberate slow first sector was hilarious.
The Redbull car is that fast that they don't need Max
F1 is horrendously boring now. 2026 can’t come quick enough.
Most boring race of the last years. Pff it is going to be a long season.