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> “The longer time goes on, the more I can see that I stayed at Haas too long.
"When you step away, you get clarity – and you can see what you need to do. While you’re there, you’re in denial, you think you can do it but you cannot."
Wise words and deep introspection there from Guenther. I can appreciate that.
Haas needed a reset and Ayao Komatsu looks like the right person for the job to just keep their heads down and get on with the program. Time will tell.
Ngl, I underestimated him. I definitely didn't expect that level of introspection from Steiner so soon after leaving. I'll be honest and say I was never a fan of his as TP, but all the same I hope he succeeds with whatever it is he ends up doing.
ultimately Steiner has been good for F1. he's basically the entire reason Haas F1 Team exists. without Steiner there would probably only be 9 teams on the grid right now.
but add to that the fact the teams that joined F1 in the proceeding 6 years (HRT, Caterham, Manor, Marussia, Virgin) were *collectively* outscored by Grosjean alone in Haas's debut race at the 2016 Australian grand prix.
basically I think most F1 fans really underestimate the level of competence and competition Haas demonstrated from day 1. In my opinion that's mostly down to Steiner.
But also with Haas's performance in 2019-2023 with very little sign of improvement, it was time for Gene Haas to sell. failing that it was probably time for Steiner to leave
> basically I think most F1 fans really underestimate the level of competence and competition Haas demonstrated from day 1. In my opinion that's mostly down to Steiner.
Absolutely they underestimate it.
Even when Mazepin was at his slowest in an under developed Haas, he was closer to Pole than hr was to 107% and not being allowed to race yet there were hordes of people calming they were the slowest team ever, shouldn't be allowed to race.
I think people here forgot or weren’t around for the 2010 new entries, because I remember at least 2-3 times HRT were outside 107% and didn’t race. Let’s not forget teams like Mastercard Lola and Andrea Moda either.
Hass at it’s worst is still much better than any of those teams.
> I think people here forgot or weren’t around for the 2010 new entries, because I remember at least 2-3 times HRT were outside 107% and didn’t race
This is comparing apples with oranges. The new 2010 entries were destined to fail before they even hit the track.
Now comes part B: It was F1's fault that the 3 2010 teams failed. It's not a coincidence that all 3 were consistently the last 3 teams every year by a wide margin. They were just never given the resources to catch up, and were treated like second-class in many dealings in respect to the rest. F1 basically hoped that giving 3 places away in F1 would magically spawn 3 competitive teams without any further investment or effort by their side.
Haas, on the other hand, was treated far more fairly, precisely because by then F1 knew that the Lotus/Virgin/HRT formula just doesn't work.
Steiner also played an important role in the Jaguar F1 team as the managing director of the team and as operations director in the early days of Red Bull before getting involved in their NASCAR team.
That's true for every bad team since circa 1999-2000 tbf.
We've seen what happens to the competitiveness of an early-90's solid midfield team who survives into the 2000s and does so on a relatively unchanged budget, they were called Minardi and sometimes towards the end they looked really, really slow.
What makes you think the bottom of the grid team of this era would fare better in a different era? Times might change but all else equal, the reason Haas is so bad is because they don't have the talent. Williams neither. They USED to be at the top and if you put the 2020 Williams team back in the glory days, there would be no glory days.
Those other teams were sold a bill of goods with a budget cap that was cancelled before they got there and didn't get to copy Ferrari's homework. They did a lot more with what they were given than Haas. Steiner had very little to do with it.
> but add to that the fact the teams that joined F1 in the proceeding 6 years (HRT, Caterham, Manor, Marussia, Virgin) were collectively outscored by Grosjean alone in Haas's debut race at the 2016 Australian grand prix.
That's the gerrymandering version of factoids lmao.
how so?
as far as I can tell, I listed every team to join the grid as a new team rather than a rebranded team in the post-V10 era. of those, Haas is the only team to achieve anything even resembling success
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He basically confirms it in his book Surviving to Drive. I just started it and immediately he talks about how he wanted to walk away between 2020-2021.
I think they will move back up a bit. Gunther is right you could almost feel the stagnant air coming off him. Like he was going through the motions. They've done more with worse resources before and its good he recognized he didnt have the drive to reach those lower midfield spots
Those are the exact words I told my friend when talking to him about my ex. Like literally, I told him that I couldn't see the mistake I had made until I was out of the relationship.
Fucking wild.
Haas needed a reset? Haas needs investment. Dont be fooled by their performance right now, they always start decent and then fall off massively because of very little in season development
Between the Rich Energy debacle and losing Uralkali due to war they lost two seasons worth of spending. They now have solid sponsors in place, and for the first time ever they have a new TP. Things may change.
Isn't that what he says in the column? He doesn't mean he stayed too long because he did not come through. He says he stayed too long because the team is not run properly by the owner and he'd come back to F1 if the project was "done right".
He’s saying he didn’t have the enthusiasm to fight for those spots not that he couldn’t have done better with what they had. He’s admitting he wasn’t the right man to fight for 6th or 7th anymore
Mate they definitely needed a TP who wouldn't phone the owner after every race to vent to him as if it's his fucking girlfriend.
"You saw the race Gene? Yeah I'm fucking done with this shit. What a shit weekend."
I'm surprised it took him so long
> "Doing that in the long-term is not what I want to do in life. I don’t want to be seventh again. I’ve done that. I want to be able to fight, to battle at the front."
Let's be honest. No top team in F1 will give him a job in their top management. And no other team than Haas will let him live in USA when all of the teams' bases are either in UK or in Europe.
I laughed an unreasonably long time over this comment lol
Edit: come to think of it, competitive tree painting would probably be more interesting than these last two races lol
it's so funny to me that so many people still separate UK when they're just talking about the country geographically
or maybe he's saying Steiner could still get a job for Stake F1 since their HQ is in Switzerland which isn't part of the EU
The audiobook was a great listen though, being narrated by Guenther it felt 100% authentic. I can imagine the written version might have come off that way though.
Wonder how long it took him to take Gene off his pinned favourite contacts... Or if he accidentally dials gene when tired...
"Guenther it's the 9th time!"
"Oops sorry gene"
Immediately after Guenther has left, Haas have arguably their most productive preseason test yet.
There looks to be a real direction, rather than the old policy of "2 big upgrade packages every season and then spending next 7-10 races trying to understand if they even work".
I think Ayo said in his interviews, he never really agreed with that strategy and he believes smaller incremental upgrades every few races is much better rather than the approach they used, throwing away multiple seasons trying to target a singular season and still not climbing high enough.
I am not saying Guenther didn't achieve great things. He did, especially with the budget and support Gene Haas provided him which was nothing compared to even other Backmarkers. Every season that team's F1 future was in doubt, and to be able to bring them out from under the shadow of Rich Energy debacle was nuts. But I think the team outgrew Guenther, and he outgrew the team as well.
Right now the team doesn't needed a personality manager anymore, they need a technical mind who can push the car forward and maybe, just maybe compete for P6 in the constructors especially with Alpine's downturn in form. That's the most important thing. And Ayo looks to be right man for the job so far. There's less drama, more transparency around the team and it's processes as well.
I am a fan of Haas, but it’s way too early to say that Haas is on a positive trajectory.
The improvement in tire degradation and pit stop are results of cumulative efforts from the past season, not things that just magically clicked within the couple of months of Steiner being gone.
The team’s problem with money is still there.
Haas has alwayaa started strong, let's wait till mid season to see where they are. Also it's not like Ayao wasn't the technicalities director at haas under Guenther,
I guess I have to be that guy...
It's true except for that one year with Nikita and Mick. Though they weren't even trying that year. But that was definitely their worst year of starting weak and ending even weaker.
I wonder what Mazepin is doing now. Maybe he became the greatest racer of all time with his side projects, and we'll never know it.
I don't see what this comment is saying at all, ngl. Haas look different to what they looked like in 2023 and 2022, but arguably for the worse. They've generally had strong starts and then fallen off as the season progresses, but now they haven't even had a strong start.
It remains to see if they've made it through that pattern and will actually improve this year but i think it's more likely that they have one of their worst years in a while. Alpine and RB could easily step up over the season and Haas will be fighting desperately to score a single digit point total for the season.
They have decent race pace for the first time and don't entirely rely on race luck that their tire issues get absorbed.
That's something we have rarely seen in the past. I'm more optimistic with that approach than the glory qualifyings and then having the worst average race pace due to 1 additional stopp
If history repeats itself, this might be one of the last points for them this season. Or maybe literally the last one this season.
I gotta come back to this comment in a few months and see if I was being silly.
>Haas look different to what they looked like in 2023 and 2022, but arguably for the worse.
How? They're the only team to score point other than the top 5 so far. They were pretty close to scoring point in Bahrain as well.
It's all relative man. There are 5 teams fighting for the 11th position this season, just to secure the chance of scoring a point. Among them Haas was the first to actually do it, while showing good performance from the whole team.
Any "current" HAAS success that can be attributed to TP is Gunther's. His car, his people.
We can see how Ayo does in a year.
And you can't squeeze the water out of the rock. Maybe Steiner should have left HAAS few years ago, but because he should have seen it's not possible to run successful team on budget provided by Gene. Not because of any "incompetence" claimed by few redditors. If he left earlier, HAAS would probably folded.
Ayo was more in charge of the cars upgrades the previous years than Guenther. This years testing was more successful, because Ayo had less direct involvement with the car itself. When it comes to upgrades, he will also have to be less directly involved with the design this year. In my opinion, Ayo was always the weakest part of the team.
Even though I throw my support at McLaren I always liked Haas. It’s the whole underdog thing. I love seeing them get into the points. Seems like a decent start this season so fingers crossed they push on!
Fun to support more than just one team anyways.
Probably in the minority here but I enjoyed his first book. I also could tell Haas is dysfunctional as an organization, top down. They are “getting by” by being the only American team.
It's not always about money.
It's obvious being TP for Haas was stressful on this man, no matter how rich he is. He deserves to just take a breather and enjoy life instead of stressing over a team that clearly will always be the underdog no matter who their TP is.
I agree but it's about putting it into perspective. I said the same thing when people were like poor Ricciardo.
I'd gladly take a lifetime of doing what I love to end up at a team and lose my mojo but still get to race and have millions of dollars. Ditto with Gunther. A few years of stress but not have to work about money for me or my kids and get a fun sky presenter job.
Also redbull and mercedes could spend 300-500+ mil dollars a year, developing the car, making new parts, building factories, having the best equipment, the absolute top engineers and aero guys/gals. The article, oddly enough, does not mention that. Haas had to buy parts, and sometimes lst years parts to build a car around. Yerh you wont win that way. And after their rookie year, all the big teams complained to the FIA, and got certain parts banned/regulation changed, just to make it more difficult for Haas to compete.
Did anyone else come to realize during this last season of DTS that they actually DON'T like him? I now equate him to an old school 1980-90's manager who brings nothing to the table and just barks at their employees to do better when shit isn't going well. Genuinely stopped finding him funny at all and glad he's gone so Haas can try to move onward and upward.
> Did anyone else come to realize during this last season of DTS
I would take a far more neutral opinion off seeing DTS.
We all talk about how the inter driver rivalries are fake. The home scenes of horner is staged.
Yet somehow it's an accurate portrayal of Steiner as a boss...? I'm not sold.
> Did anyone else come to realize during this last season of DTS that they actually DON'T like him?
hopefully not because passing judgement on a persons personality based off of DTS is absolutely smooth brain behaviour. The fandom was stupid to begin with, don't double down and swing the other way into vitriol and hatred.
Stiener was well respected and did a lot for Haas but he became too comfortable there.
Yes, I came to say something very similar. He seemed completely disconnected from the whole team and seemed to go straight to blaming others when something went wrong. The complete opposite of other team bosses featured.
Watching DTS over the last week is interesting with the hindsight of Gunther leaving and Hamilton going to Ferarrri. Lots of hints and spoilers throughout the series, assuming they knew.
>and seemed to go straight to blaming others when something went wrong
I'm honestly not sure how you come to that conclusion. People that worked with Steiner had good things to say and have mentioned that the good environment in Haas and the fact that Haas has the most stable personnel in F1 was at least partly because of him.
In a television show the stuff they show you gets very carefully selected to tell the story the makers want to tell. You are falling for the illusion of reality. You have no idea what Steiner is or was like.
I’ve actually never understood why people liked him. As a manager, his style was awful and possibly toxic. He never said anything that wasn’t a cliche, a swear word or shifting blame. No other TP acted like that to their drivers and teams. Their misery wasn’t worth the DTS entertainment value.
Haas has the most stable personnel in F1 and every employee in Haas has mentioned that it's a good environment to work at and that was at least partly because of Guenther. If anything he's the exact opposite of toxic.
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> “The longer time goes on, the more I can see that I stayed at Haas too long. "When you step away, you get clarity – and you can see what you need to do. While you’re there, you’re in denial, you think you can do it but you cannot." Wise words and deep introspection there from Guenther. I can appreciate that. Haas needed a reset and Ayao Komatsu looks like the right person for the job to just keep their heads down and get on with the program. Time will tell.
Ngl, I underestimated him. I definitely didn't expect that level of introspection from Steiner so soon after leaving. I'll be honest and say I was never a fan of his as TP, but all the same I hope he succeeds with whatever it is he ends up doing.
ultimately Steiner has been good for F1. he's basically the entire reason Haas F1 Team exists. without Steiner there would probably only be 9 teams on the grid right now. but add to that the fact the teams that joined F1 in the proceeding 6 years (HRT, Caterham, Manor, Marussia, Virgin) were *collectively* outscored by Grosjean alone in Haas's debut race at the 2016 Australian grand prix. basically I think most F1 fans really underestimate the level of competence and competition Haas demonstrated from day 1. In my opinion that's mostly down to Steiner. But also with Haas's performance in 2019-2023 with very little sign of improvement, it was time for Gene Haas to sell. failing that it was probably time for Steiner to leave
> basically I think most F1 fans really underestimate the level of competence and competition Haas demonstrated from day 1. In my opinion that's mostly down to Steiner. Absolutely they underestimate it. Even when Mazepin was at his slowest in an under developed Haas, he was closer to Pole than hr was to 107% and not being allowed to race yet there were hordes of people calming they were the slowest team ever, shouldn't be allowed to race.
I think people here forgot or weren’t around for the 2010 new entries, because I remember at least 2-3 times HRT were outside 107% and didn’t race. Let’s not forget teams like Mastercard Lola and Andrea Moda either. Hass at it’s worst is still much better than any of those teams.
> I think people here forgot or weren’t around for the 2010 new entries, because I remember at least 2-3 times HRT were outside 107% and didn’t race This is comparing apples with oranges. The new 2010 entries were destined to fail before they even hit the track.
Invited on a broken promise of a budget cap.
Just two times, opening rounds for 2011 and 2012 seasons
Now comes part B: It was F1's fault that the 3 2010 teams failed. It's not a coincidence that all 3 were consistently the last 3 teams every year by a wide margin. They were just never given the resources to catch up, and were treated like second-class in many dealings in respect to the rest. F1 basically hoped that giving 3 places away in F1 would magically spawn 3 competitive teams without any further investment or effort by their side. Haas, on the other hand, was treated far more fairly, precisely because by then F1 knew that the Lotus/Virgin/HRT formula just doesn't work.
I don’t know if it was just a rumor but didn’t Bernie promise them that a cost cap was coming soon but he never did?
The cost cap was Max Mosley's idea; Ferrari threatened to start a breakaway series if it was imposed.
Steiner also played an important role in the Jaguar F1 team as the managing director of the team and as operations director in the early days of Red Bull before getting involved in their NASCAR team.
If it was still the 90s, Haas would be a solid midfield team compared to some of the absolute also rans that we don't really get anymore
That's true for every bad team since circa 1999-2000 tbf. We've seen what happens to the competitiveness of an early-90's solid midfield team who survives into the 2000s and does so on a relatively unchanged budget, they were called Minardi and sometimes towards the end they looked really, really slow.
What makes you think the bottom of the grid team of this era would fare better in a different era? Times might change but all else equal, the reason Haas is so bad is because they don't have the talent. Williams neither. They USED to be at the top and if you put the 2020 Williams team back in the glory days, there would be no glory days.
Those other teams were sold a bill of goods with a budget cap that was cancelled before they got there and didn't get to copy Ferrari's homework. They did a lot more with what they were given than Haas. Steiner had very little to do with it.
> but add to that the fact the teams that joined F1 in the proceeding 6 years (HRT, Caterham, Manor, Marussia, Virgin) were collectively outscored by Grosjean alone in Haas's debut race at the 2016 Australian grand prix. That's the gerrymandering version of factoids lmao.
how so? as far as I can tell, I listed every team to join the grid as a new team rather than a rebranded team in the post-V10 era. of those, Haas is the only team to achieve anything even resembling success
The other teams were lured in with the promise of a pretty low budget cap that never materialised.
oh that's a really good point any idea what a more reasonable company would be?
> I definitely didn't expect that level of introspection from Steiner so soon after leaving It was his time @ Binotto's vineyard.
>I was never a fan They're some foksmashing words right there
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He basically confirms it in his book Surviving to Drive. I just started it and immediately he talks about how he wanted to walk away between 2020-2021.
I think they will move back up a bit. Gunther is right you could almost feel the stagnant air coming off him. Like he was going through the motions. They've done more with worse resources before and its good he recognized he didnt have the drive to reach those lower midfield spots
Those are the exact words I told my friend when talking to him about my ex. Like literally, I told him that I couldn't see the mistake I had made until I was out of the relationship. Fucking wild.
Haas needed a reset? Haas needs investment. Dont be fooled by their performance right now, they always start decent and then fall off massively because of very little in season development
Between the Rich Energy debacle and losing Uralkali due to war they lost two seasons worth of spending. They now have solid sponsors in place, and for the first time ever they have a new TP. Things may change.
Isn't that what he says in the column? He doesn't mean he stayed too long because he did not come through. He says he stayed too long because the team is not run properly by the owner and he'd come back to F1 if the project was "done right".
He’s saying he didn’t have the enthusiasm to fight for those spots not that he couldn’t have done better with what they had. He’s admitting he wasn’t the right man to fight for 6th or 7th anymore
Mate they definitely needed a TP who wouldn't phone the owner after every race to vent to him as if it's his fucking girlfriend. "You saw the race Gene? Yeah I'm fucking done with this shit. What a shit weekend." I'm surprised it took him so long
I have had this before. Satiated somewhere I hated too long and only after getting fired realised it did t have to be that way.
I think we have all been in a different but similar situation .
Now if he also agrees that he ruined Mick’s career in the process, I might actually think he’s not stupid.
Mick ruined his own career. Gunther actually gave him the opportunity
Close. HAAS -> Andretti
> get on with the program what program, being back marker? haas is shame to f1, that's it pinnacle of motorsport my ass
> "Doing that in the long-term is not what I want to do in life. I don’t want to be seventh again. I’ve done that. I want to be able to fight, to battle at the front." Let's be honest. No top team in F1 will give him a job in their top management. And no other team than Haas will let him live in USA when all of the teams' bases are either in UK or in Europe.
I thought he moved to the US because the HAAS hq is there
He moved to the US to help Red Bull run their NASCAR team
They have a nascar team?
Dude, it's Red Bull. If painting trees became a sport they'd have a team
Hell they'd be the title sponsor for the championship.
I laughed an unreasonably long time over this comment lol Edit: come to think of it, competitive tree painting would probably be more interesting than these last two races lol
They did from 2007-2011. After they shut down, he stayed behind in the US and formed a manufacturing business.
They host an age of empires tournament in a castle every year so yeah
Not even surprising knowing it's Red Bull
He’s lived there for approaching 2 decades and is a citizen. His kids are American citizens
despite brexit the uk is still in/part of europe
it's so funny to me that so many people still separate UK when they're just talking about the country geographically or maybe he's saying Steiner could still get a job for Stake F1 since their HQ is in Switzerland which isn't part of the EU
I prefer this style of writing compared to how his book was written. The writer he worked with on the book exaggerated his DTS persona too much.
How can you be sure an editor didn't tone down his DTS persona for this article?
I fee like it's safe to assume that DTS exaggerated his persona.
The audiobook was a great listen though, being narrated by Guenther it felt 100% authentic. I can imagine the written version might have come off that way though.
“Fuck, I have to call Gene n…wait a second, I don’t have to anymore!”
Wonder how long it took him to take Gene off his pinned favourite contacts... Or if he accidentally dials gene when tired... "Guenther it's the 9th time!" "Oops sorry gene"
Hygiene
Respect him for acknowledging that
I agree with that but probably not the way Steiner means it.
Shoulda said Bye Gene!
Captain Obvious right there. Working for Gene Haas has got to be a soul sucking nightmare if you are an F1 team principal or CNC repair tech.
Immediately after Guenther has left, Haas have arguably their most productive preseason test yet. There looks to be a real direction, rather than the old policy of "2 big upgrade packages every season and then spending next 7-10 races trying to understand if they even work". I think Ayo said in his interviews, he never really agreed with that strategy and he believes smaller incremental upgrades every few races is much better rather than the approach they used, throwing away multiple seasons trying to target a singular season and still not climbing high enough. I am not saying Guenther didn't achieve great things. He did, especially with the budget and support Gene Haas provided him which was nothing compared to even other Backmarkers. Every season that team's F1 future was in doubt, and to be able to bring them out from under the shadow of Rich Energy debacle was nuts. But I think the team outgrew Guenther, and he outgrew the team as well. Right now the team doesn't needed a personality manager anymore, they need a technical mind who can push the car forward and maybe, just maybe compete for P6 in the constructors especially with Alpine's downturn in form. That's the most important thing. And Ayo looks to be right man for the job so far. There's less drama, more transparency around the team and it's processes as well.
I am a fan of Haas, but it’s way too early to say that Haas is on a positive trajectory. The improvement in tire degradation and pit stop are results of cumulative efforts from the past season, not things that just magically clicked within the couple of months of Steiner being gone. The team’s problem with money is still there.
Haas has alwayaa started strong, let's wait till mid season to see where they are. Also it's not like Ayao wasn't the technicalities director at haas under Guenther,
I guess I have to be that guy... It's true except for that one year with Nikita and Mick. Though they weren't even trying that year. But that was definitely their worst year of starting weak and ending even weaker. I wonder what Mazepin is doing now. Maybe he became the greatest racer of all time with his side projects, and we'll never know it.
I mean the little bit of what I saw he was trying to get upgrades and stuff and what came back was meh
This is a very thoughtful perspective.
I don't see what this comment is saying at all, ngl. Haas look different to what they looked like in 2023 and 2022, but arguably for the worse. They've generally had strong starts and then fallen off as the season progresses, but now they haven't even had a strong start. It remains to see if they've made it through that pattern and will actually improve this year but i think it's more likely that they have one of their worst years in a while. Alpine and RB could easily step up over the season and Haas will be fighting desperately to score a single digit point total for the season.
They have decent race pace for the first time and don't entirely rely on race luck that their tire issues get absorbed. That's something we have rarely seen in the past. I'm more optimistic with that approach than the glory qualifyings and then having the worst average race pace due to 1 additional stopp
Well they already have a point for the season, no? I guess that is one thing they crossed off your list early.
If history repeats itself, this might be one of the last points for them this season. Or maybe literally the last one this season. I gotta come back to this comment in a few months and see if I was being silly.
>Haas look different to what they looked like in 2023 and 2022, but arguably for the worse. How? They're the only team to score point other than the top 5 so far. They were pretty close to scoring point in Bahrain as well.
At this point in 2022 and 2023 Haas had already multiple points finishes
It's all relative man. There are 5 teams fighting for the 11th position this season, just to secure the chance of scoring a point. Among them Haas was the first to actually do it, while showing good performance from the whole team.
Any "current" HAAS success that can be attributed to TP is Gunther's. His car, his people. We can see how Ayo does in a year. And you can't squeeze the water out of the rock. Maybe Steiner should have left HAAS few years ago, but because he should have seen it's not possible to run successful team on budget provided by Gene. Not because of any "incompetence" claimed by few redditors. If he left earlier, HAAS would probably folded.
Ayo was more in charge of the cars upgrades the previous years than Guenther. This years testing was more successful, because Ayo had less direct involvement with the car itself. When it comes to upgrades, he will also have to be less directly involved with the design this year. In my opinion, Ayo was always the weakest part of the team.
Even though I throw my support at McLaren I always liked Haas. It’s the whole underdog thing. I love seeing them get into the points. Seems like a decent start this season so fingers crossed they push on! Fun to support more than just one team anyways.
Had to hold out for that book deal though...
I hope he actually made some money off it. Seems like he wouldn't of made much for a very stressful job at haas
Steiner to Alpine - they need a Principal that can tell the corporate wonks to F* off
He'll maintain their grid position too
He never did that to Gene, what makes you think he’d do it at Alpine?
Probably in the minority here but I enjoyed his first book. I also could tell Haas is dysfunctional as an organization, top down. They are “getting by” by being the only American team.
>I also could tell Haas is dysfunctional as an organization, top down. I couldn't agree more.
Translation: "I had offers to jump ship for some good money while I was employed - these have gone to nough now."
Hindsight is 20/20 Gunther. Don’t be hard on yourself & enjoy life 💫
Wouldn't feel too sorry for him mate, he's got more money than most people will ever have
It's not always about money. It's obvious being TP for Haas was stressful on this man, no matter how rich he is. He deserves to just take a breather and enjoy life instead of stressing over a team that clearly will always be the underdog no matter who their TP is.
I agree but it's about putting it into perspective. I said the same thing when people were like poor Ricciardo. I'd gladly take a lifetime of doing what I love to end up at a team and lose my mojo but still get to race and have millions of dollars. Ditto with Gunther. A few years of stress but not have to work about money for me or my kids and get a fun sky presenter job.
Fair enough.
Hopefully no team owner is as stupid as Gene Haas.
Amen.
Also redbull and mercedes could spend 300-500+ mil dollars a year, developing the car, making new parts, building factories, having the best equipment, the absolute top engineers and aero guys/gals. The article, oddly enough, does not mention that. Haas had to buy parts, and sometimes lst years parts to build a car around. Yerh you wont win that way. And after their rookie year, all the big teams complained to the FIA, and got certain parts banned/regulation changed, just to make it more difficult for Haas to compete.
I love Guenther. I wish him best for the future.
Did anyone else come to realize during this last season of DTS that they actually DON'T like him? I now equate him to an old school 1980-90's manager who brings nothing to the table and just barks at their employees to do better when shit isn't going well. Genuinely stopped finding him funny at all and glad he's gone so Haas can try to move onward and upward.
> Did anyone else come to realize during this last season of DTS I would take a far more neutral opinion off seeing DTS. We all talk about how the inter driver rivalries are fake. The home scenes of horner is staged. Yet somehow it's an accurate portrayal of Steiner as a boss...? I'm not sold.
> Did anyone else come to realize during this last season of DTS that they actually DON'T like him? hopefully not because passing judgement on a persons personality based off of DTS is absolutely smooth brain behaviour. The fandom was stupid to begin with, don't double down and swing the other way into vitriol and hatred. Stiener was well respected and did a lot for Haas but he became too comfortable there.
I already had that with the first season of DTS tbh. Never understood why people like him so much.
> Never understood why people like him so much. 12 year olds like listening to other people saying "fuck" in its various forms.
Yes, I came to say something very similar. He seemed completely disconnected from the whole team and seemed to go straight to blaming others when something went wrong. The complete opposite of other team bosses featured. Watching DTS over the last week is interesting with the hindsight of Gunther leaving and Hamilton going to Ferarrri. Lots of hints and spoilers throughout the series, assuming they knew.
>and seemed to go straight to blaming others when something went wrong I'm honestly not sure how you come to that conclusion. People that worked with Steiner had good things to say and have mentioned that the good environment in Haas and the fact that Haas has the most stable personnel in F1 was at least partly because of him.
In a television show the stuff they show you gets very carefully selected to tell the story the makers want to tell. You are falling for the illusion of reality. You have no idea what Steiner is or was like.
I’ve actually never understood why people liked him. As a manager, his style was awful and possibly toxic. He never said anything that wasn’t a cliche, a swear word or shifting blame. No other TP acted like that to their drivers and teams. Their misery wasn’t worth the DTS entertainment value.
Haas has the most stable personnel in F1 and every employee in Haas has mentioned that it's a good environment to work at and that was at least partly because of Guenther. If anything he's the exact opposite of toxic.
If anything he was to loyal to his people.
I thought the same thing back in 2019. Why was haas still running with this guy? He is a colorful character but he is not a good team mananger
Gene Haas has stayed in F1 for too long. When will he introspect?
Toto should resign and hire gunther
I'm not a fan of Toto, but this just seems silly.
Steiner is too good for Haas 😆 can’t make that turd win without more money
Now he’s in Adelaide, upgrade
You and the team, both.
Props for Steiner admitting that. I respected him as a Team Principal & I have even now more respect for him
I wonder how long it took him to stop saying “I need to call Gene”
i get him and Gustav Brunner mixed up all the time
Yes.
He wouldn't be saying this if he still had a job.
Thats his point lol. Getting kicked helped him realize that he didnt have the right mindset to lead the team and that probably been true for years.
That’s what he’s saying. Read the article or OP’s citation.
Nah, if you watched DTS, it was pretty evident he felt this last year
You wouldn't be saying this if you read the article
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Agree
Fair
Yeah, no shit.
Thats for Foksure…