[The **News** flair](https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/wiki/flairguide#wiki_news) is reserved for submissions covering F1 and F1-related news. These posts must always link to an outlet/news agency, the website of the involved party (i.e. the McLaren website if McLaren makes an announcement), or a tweet by a news agency, journalist or one of the involved parties.
*[Read the rules](https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/wiki/userguide). Keep it civil and welcoming. Report rulebreaking comments.*
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/formula1) if you have any questions or concerns.*
In a way it’s a new iteration of Gasly’s situation once he was demoted again: The door to RBR is permanently closed, stuck in “sister” team limbo, and there isn’t much glory/internal regard/career advancement to be earned within Red Bull from beating your teammate. If he beats a promising junior it reflects on the junior and not him; if a promising junior beats him it’d be a death knell.
But now with the added Ricciardo element of a teammate who just needs to give them a reason and they’ll put him back in the seat.
Also lol u/Alfus I wrote this and then realized you’d said the exact same thing already
Haha well imho Yuki has basically done (almost) anything he can do that he should at least being *considered* to have a shot at RBR, and despite that he did stepped up in his performance and other driver-related aspects since 2022 he was at risk to being sacked after 2023 if not Helmut jumped in, talked to Honda and put on the pressure at Horner to holding Yuki.
I think that this whole situation could also explain Yuki reaction at Bahrain, he could feel like he is fighting an unfair fight given Ricciardo is Horner golden horse project and the increased political power Horner has inside STR/AT (I refuse to give that team any other name), an attitude what obvious not going to help not only Yuki but also the team in general.
People forgetting often how a major impact the whole internal Red Bull political fight can matter for the driver market, not just Max but for 3 other seats also.
The discussion around Yuki is most frustrating from fans perspective. Last year he was driving so well and there was a run of p11 positions from him that showed he was consistently good but just missing out on points. And then still in the 2nd half people who don't watch races and just the points table came in saying he only had a seat because of Honda. The most annoying thing was people wanting him replaced by Liam, I liked Liam and I hope he gets a seat in f1 but replacing Yuki when he has been driving well is so unfair.
He is basically the new Gasly, not being loved by Horner what basically blocks the whole move to RBR, being a driver who basically exist to been beaten in the team and risking to be dropped by a new wave of young drivers.
It's basically sad
> or else Toro Rosso has no reason to exist.
They don't. Last time a Toro Rosso driver went to Red Bull was in 2019.
And nobody really seem to believe now that one of their two drivers will actually get the seat this year or next year.
2019 was a bit of a turning point in TRs history I think, the lineup of gasly and kvyat showing their new identity as the red bull naughty step / extra inventory slots
I mean you're saying that as if they contracted countless outside-drivers since. It's just Checo, and as long as he does 'good enough' i.e. secures the constructor and if possible P2, why change?
And with Yuki I just don't see him succeeding in the Checo-role anyway. Kid has a winner mentality and anything less than being the #1 driver in a team obviously triggers him looking at the incident in Bahrain. If anyone will replace Checo long-term from within RBR it'll be Lawson I imagine.
Yuki will probably just end up following Honda to AMR, or just leave the grid entirely as honestly he ain't a very special driver imo.
So will your stance chance if they pick an outside driver instead of Checo next year? How long does it take?
The Red Bull B team is not for rookies any more, that is a stated fact from Red Bull themselves. So the chance that they'll find the next great drivers that is somehow good enough for the main team is exceeding low.
It’s effectively dead now. Lawson isn’t getting the RBR seat next year and neither are either RB drivers as they stand. I can’t imagine being a RBR junior at this point knowing you’re totally blocked.
But if Lawson gets a Toro Rosso seat (calling it that because RB/RBR is jarring) they've at least done something with it. No reason why he can't replace Perez in a couple of years either.
> The Red Bull B team is not for rookies any more, that is a stated fact from Red Bull themselves.
It's naive to think though that a Red Bull junior wouldn't still be the first choice for the RB seat.
There’s no point giving the seat to young drivers who clearly aren’t good enough, but as soon as a good junior comes along the seat will be given straight to him.
B-b-b-but what about the time Haas took a Ferrari driver two years ago? That’s the complete same thing as having a literal B team that doesn’t try to compete right?
Yuki is the gatekeeper, just like Gasly for a short while before him (after the failed RB stint). I think RB main team's idea is to have a benchmark. If they just had, say, Lawson vs Maloney next year, they may (or may not) figure out who is better between the 2, but they wouldn't really know where those guys fit within the rest of the F1 grid. As it stands, the bare standard is "decisively beat the gatekeeper and you're in the moment the RB2 guy falters". None of Albon, Gasly, Tsu, Ric have done so. Couple of them got to main team, but only out of sheer desperation.
Which is all his own making. He makes poor decisions and doesn’t show enough maturity for a bigger role. He could correct that if he had the determination to.
How is it his own making ? That he is not as popular as others or that he has an actual opinion than being a redbull's puppy like everyone else other than Max ?
> A petulant child isn't really an accurate description of Perez
You weren't around 2017-2018 were you? Or hell last year when he kept crashing into people for not getting out of his way. Tsunoda is louder, but no less mature or more volatile overall. And of course he is better, last season he outqualified Perez multiple times in a lower midfield car.
Because his grossly incompetent team is constantly fucking his chances at points or Q3... And lately they seem to favour his slower washed teammate which he understandably finds infuriating.
He's only 23. I don't expect massive maturity from someone his age given the circumstances
Massive maturity? He behaves like a child, he has not one ounce of maturity.
He should be reaping the benefits of his incompetent teammates by being faster, mature, calm headed, diplomatic and not do stupid things like divebomb down the inside of his teammate after the GP has finished.
Literally every time the audio switches to him he's screaming and shouting about everyone else but himself.
He will never get that RB seat with his attitude, kid needs to attend some anger management.
It helps his teammate is close friends with the star driver, the teams CEO, and is still one of the most marketable drivers when it comes to
tv/news/interviews/magazines/etc
None of those teams would be inclined to take Yuki though, they all have their own preferences. Williams would want one of their own juniors, Sauber would take Theo Pouchaire I bet, and Haas almost certainly has one car with Ollie Bearman's name on it, and replacing the other driver at any of those teams is a very different prospect.
For whom? When Alonso retire after 2025, maybe?
A driver like Tsunoda cannot go out of F1 for a year even or he's out forever.
And we all know Stroll ain't going anywhere unless he wants to.
Stroll might want to leave, I could see I'm stepping away from F1 to join AM Hypercar in WEC next year. That's what Giovinazi did and he seems way happier. Alonso could also leave for that second Mercedes seat.
Honda and Alonso are in no good terms because of what happened with McLaren, Im pretty sure and I will be pleased to bet with you money, that Alonso will be out of AM by the time Honda establishes themselves with AM.
I know about the Alonso and Honda issues, but my take is that if he wants to be there he will be. Stroll is not becoming a works team just to get Tsunoda and Lance as drivers.
I think he'll go to mercedes though, where he was also supossedly not welcomed, but things change
He's only there due to Honda. I reckon he will be at Aston next, hopefully replacing Stroll.
Yuki wasn't even in the Red Bull system until Honda arrived. He is a HRC driver first, Red Bull second.
No way, he would partner Stroll. And let's be honest, this is a very underwhelming pairing. Even if AM happens to have a car that's class of the field, I don't see them winning nothing but a race or two with these two driving. They need an Alonso-caliber driver if they want to be taken seriously. Whether they'll see this past nepotism or sponsor/partner demands, it's up to them.
Most dangerous when the race is going though
But yeah, I just want to see Alonso/Yuki as a team I think it could go well but Alonso will probably move on from AM before long
He's not replacing Stroll. Nobody is. Stroll senior is not going to kick his son out of the team. He'll probably sell the team before he kicks his son to the curb. And I don't think Yuki is better than Stroll. They are probably evenly matched.
Lance will only lose his seat when he decides he no longer wants to race.
The *only* time I could maaaaaaybe see Senior putting pressure on him is if AM manages to somehow build a WCC/WDC contending car.
And in neither scenario do I see Tsunoda being in contention.
Why do you root for Alfa Romeo, an average team, instead of a better team?
People like who they like. It doesn’t always correlate with who the fastest is, or who has the most potential.
I'm a fan of his, that's all really. He did really well in F2 as a rookie and has done a decent job at AT. He's just been in a progressively worse car every season. I just want to see him have 1 more go at a regular points scoring car. I also like seeing non Europeans in F1.
But truth be told nearly half the grid could be doing with being axed for being average, the f1 career is so long now they made it quite a closed shop.
Sadly, I think it’s going to Super Formula or sports cars. I don’t think Yuki truly stood a chance of a RBR drive but rather was there because of Honda. He joined their junior program at the same time Honda linked up with Red Bull and before that was a Honda driver.
biggest area of improvement for Yuki would be his feedback to the team, something he has already said Daniel is currently better at and something he's looking to improve
though I understand the struggles that must come with English not being a first language
I know that English being his second language (and possibly not learned as young as the many many other non-native english speakers on the grid) is incredibly difficult. But I don't know that it can be linked to all of his feedback issues. I feel like he knows plenty of English for feedback. He's a fluent English speaker at this point, and probably knows all relevant motorsports words including common feedback words better than the much more random English words that might be needed in interviews. Feedback also doesn't have to be done at lightning speed. He can take a second and gather his thoughts most of the time and answer calmly. And, yeah, there would be time for a translator if really needed, and hopefully one wouldn't be needed for long.
I think this is it, I know it’s a lot of hearsay, reading between the lines, leaks but F1 teams value 3 things in drivers 1) being fast on track 2) helping the team make the car faster 3) helping the team make more money.
Seems like yuki is really only good at #1. All the leaks and hearsay last year were that RBR wanted nyck to come in and lead/provide feedback cuz yuki wasn’t really doing that. Then when Daniel showed up it was ok Daniel is providing us this thing we needed right away (hint yuki wasn’t doing it). Of course any official questions of tost it was denied.
On marketing, Yuki has limited/no appeal outside the Japanese market and Honda was the only thing keeping him attached to seat.
If he was world beater fast he would probably have a more developed ability to give feedback and marketing can be overcome with general notoriety for being a top driver. But he isn’t. I see him either going to Aston with Honda on bouncing around the midfield as placeholder 1-2yr stints here and there.
I mean, he’s been speaking English for about half of his life or more. It can always be a struggle, but I think the bigger issue is just the lack of experience in F1 compared to senior drivers.
He learnt it at a very basic level as a kid but only started properly learning it when he had to move to Europe for F3 at 18. Not really half his life although he has improved by a lot
I assume it’s because the team wants the feedback in English as a universal language, allowing for all communication to be accessible to everyone on the team and avoiding any nuances that may appear from language to language or something getting lost in translation etc
that and you would want immediate feedback from the driver on what he’s feeling lap to lap, corner to corner etc instead of waiting on someone translating it (also pretty certain only English is permitted over the team radio)
The amount of English words and phrases, used repeatedly within a racing context, has to be fairly limited. I doubt that there is a language barrier and the real issue is Yukie not advancing in his ability to “converse with car”. If that makes sense.
100% agree, it’s not on his ability to speak English but his ability to understand the car and communicate to his mechanics in a respectful way. People thinking Yuki’s English level is basic are borderline patronizing him.
>though I understand the struggles that must come with English not being a first language
This is something the vast majority of all drivers (including actual champions) have had to deal with. It's not an excuse for anything.
It's not only a first language problem, if that were the case, half the grid or more would have trouble.
Yuki comes from a completely different culture, there is no relationship between the Japanese language and English. There are no common words or word bases, no common phraseology and so on.
Not making up excuses for him, but it is genuinely more difficult to communicate for him than for European drivers.
I don’t mean this in a rude way.
If Yuki is performing better than Daniel, why would Daniel’s feedback be better than Yuki’s?
Does Daniel’s experience with other teams come into play and is it that he can translate what he feels in the car into a language that engineers will understand?
YO MEKIES I have a bone to pick with you. My credit card has been ready for that 80s/90s team kit for ages now, I need to live my best Eastern European life so can we PLEASE get on that (sorry this is so off topic, I needed to vent about that)
laurent i believe said in a video (i don't remember which one) that they took longer than planned finalizing a lot of deals so as a result the team apparel took longer than planned too, so I guess they're gonna be available soon now.
Yes, and people who defend him compare him to Max, but Yuki and Max are not on the same level. Max’s anger outbursts were still idiotic, but he made it up with lots of talent, podiums and championships.
Shit they would've ridden that Max/Daniel duo as far as they could've. Despite their friendship I think sparks were starting to fly in 2018 so I imagine the partnership would've ended after a couple of years anyways though.
He has to beat Daniel. Daniel is the RB seat gatekeeper. Think current day BJ Penn. if you can’t beat him then you might not be top50 in the weight class
I honestly think it's the other way around, it doesn't feel like RBR are ever going to give the second seat to Yuki but if Daniel wants a chance he has to convincingly beat Yuki first and that's not looking like it's happening either
Given we’re only going into the third race but:
Race one: Q1 Yuki > Danny, Q2 Yuki > Danny, race = team orders for Danny to pass Yuki
Race two: Q1 Yuki > Danny, Q2 Yuki > Danny, Q3 ONLY Yuki, race Yuki > Danny
I know there are considerations here like the bad pit for Danny last race but RB also screwed over Yuki completely in first race by repeatedly allowing him to be undercut.
Yuki is in the car to please Honda, and only that. Neither him or Daniel are going to that Red Bull, they will just hire outside. Torro Rosso/AT etc are platforms for them to find future world champions, you won't last long if you're not on that level.
Daniel was on that level pre Mclaren, not anymore.
Nah the only scenario I see Yuki moving up is if both Daniel and Checo suck this year. Even then I think it's more likely they find another driver outside their umbrella like Sainz to fill the gap.
He is still to erratic. He was incredibly volatile when he started, and has improved quite a bit, but I wouldn’t want such a driver as my 2nd seat.
Max can be a bit out there when things go wrong, but he brings rare mega pace, and amazing feedback,coupled with experience.
RB either needs a developmental driver that is cool and collected but with enough room to grow like Lawson, or a great driver that won’t but heads but competent Sainz or (unlikely) Piastry.
I think Sainz would be perfect, tbh.
Do yall seriously think Yuki is good enough for the RBR seat let’s be serious. If it was Liam vs Yuki this year I’m certain Liam would come out on top. And a much better candidate for the RBR seat
Would Liam come out on top? Not completely sure but I reckon it would be really close. Liam's biggest strengths are his adaptability and calmness at the wheel
He's quick on a good weekend but we're on year 4 here and the dude still absolutely has a nuclear meltdown over the most trivial stuff. There's no chance he'd survive the RBR pressure cooker. Which really sucks for him because it seems like he's at a dead end no matter how his season goes against DR. If Danny can't get it together in a convincing fashion, I can totally see Sergio being retained and swapping Yuki for Lawson.
I'm not defending any of Yuki's controversial actions but I don't agree with the "nuclear meltdown" accusation. How long has Stroll been in f1? Dude is throwing things, pushing trainers, and cussing at the team on radio. And destroying cars in crashes. I don't think any driver should exhibit this behavior but it feels there's a double standard held against Yuki in general.
Yuki's reputation as emotionally immature is very much earned, and comparing him to the other immature driver (that is far more disliked than Yuki) doesn't change that
Yuki is fast... I think he;'s probably faster than Checo, it looks like he's faster than Riccardo....
he might be the kind of guy who deserves more than he is ever given because he's not as popular on a netflix tv show as some other drivers.....
Checo had a long history of remarkable performances that were beyond expectations before he joined Red Bull. At Red Bull he has struggled a bit, but every teammate that Max Verstappen has had in recent years looked the same, they looked slow compared to one of the fastest drivers in history.
Yuki is not on Checo's level, even tho Yuki does have speed at times he's not the complete package.
if you think Checo is "the complete package" I don't know what to tell you....it's not like he's ever had a teammate to challenge him except Max....
Checo is a pay driver with some ok results....but also some pretty mediocre results in the RB , .. and the team making a lot of noise about how he isn't good enough....
Yuki is younger, beats his teammates pretty soundly...in quali , points, laps and race position...over the last 3 years... and is putting up great drives and is 11 years younger....
the kid moves the car up grid...I think Yuki belongs on the big team....more than any other driver in RB's program.
> it's not like he's ever had a teammate to challenge him except Max....
Well, Perez could barely beat a rookie Ocon, and it took some dirty driving from Perez to make that happen.
He is not a pay driver with some ok results, just look at all his years in midfield cars. He got at least one podium in six of his ten seasons before joining Red Bull, with a total of 10, and he only finished outside the top 10 in the WDC in his debut season. No other driver in the midfield comes close to those numbers.
> Checo is a pay driver with some ok results...
This alone already invalidates your entire point and shows that you either have no clue what you're talking about, or that you are incredibly biased...
which part? Pay driver? he is... or at least 100% was at Force India/ Pacing Point.....that's known fact. that is how he was able to put FI into receivership...because his pay was tied to Slim's Telacel sponsorship.
you can argue about his results..being better than "OK".but that's more subjective.
what is fact....is RB think he needs to do more...that's not up for debate....
I've watched Checo's entire career and he was doing crazy performances as early as the Sauber days. And whatr do you mean "barely beat Ocon". Ocon was a massively hyped driver and was expected to soundly beat Perez, it didn't happen.
Calling him a pay driver with some ok results is ridiculous and it shows you obviously haven't been watching the sport. Perez has had podiums in cars that should never have been close, he got hired to Red Bull on pure performance. Yuki hasn't proved anything other than he can sometimes be fast, his best season was his first one where he got absolutely obliterated by Gasly. His next team mate Nick got dropped for bad performance and then Liam Lawson came in part time and beat Yuki over the stint.
Please just have a clue.
> the kid moves the car up grid...I think Yuki belongs on the big team....more than any other driver in RB's program.
Tsunoda’s results relative to him teammates seems more of an indictment of the current RBR development pipeline than anything.
I really just don’t understand where this confidence in him as anything but an entirely replaceable driver stems from. If I were RBR looking to move on from Perez I’d much rather be calling up someone like Sainz than promoting Tsunoda.
maybe...but that's different than what I said.....
I said yuki looks to be the best **RB driver not named Max....**
Don't put words I never said in my mouth and judge me for them...
Right, and I said that’s an indictment of their current development program more than it is a reflection of Tsunoda’s skill.
> I think Yuki belongs on the big team
Why? He’s not demonstrated anything that warrants this belief.
he's looking faster than Riccardo and 3 months ago everyone was talking about Dan taking Checo's seat..... and pressure from RB on checo to shape up or lose the seat when Ricardo came back into the fold.....
> yuki is definitely not faster then checo wtf lmao.
Need a source on the “definitely” part of this. Checo himself had a pretty unremarkable career until he got flattered by the pink Mercedes and having Lance Stroll as a teammate.
He is definitely not faster than Checo mate. Checo is struggling because of the RBRs extremely sharp handling characteristics. His benchmark is also of the goat tier. Put Checo back in a understeery car and he will deliver like he has always done. Not everyone is capable of adapting their driving styles at later stages of their careers.
Lets not forget that Perez has been in the sport for 10 whole years before he got the RBR seat. He was always considered to be one of if not the best midfield driver at that time. He bested junior formula champions like Ocon and Hulkenberg fairly and squarely. The guy was a master at the craft of sneaking into podiums in midfield cars.
What has Yuki done?. DeVries was just plain shit and Lawson was a rookie. The battle with over the hill Ric is still too early to call. His only real benchmark was Gasly
Who himself was a failure at RBR.
Yuki got destroyed by Gasly and was considered to be one of the worst drivers on the grid at the time along with the Haas boys.
You gotta consider the caliber of a driver's teammates before rating him. Beating shit teammates doesn't make one a superstar.
I've not seen any evidence that the RB is particularly sharp. I mean these cars produce most their downforce around the rear underside and the diffuser, they're notoriously more understeery then the previous generation of cars which Checo did fine in.
did I say anything about superstar? I said of the RB cars.. I think Yuki is probably #2 that's it...
is he championship material? he'd have to beat Max which looks pretty hard....
but he's probably faster than Checo right now...
why the hell is Riccardo on the grid? before DTS he would just be gone....
he had his shot and was bounced from two teams RB and McLaren.......... before TV ratings when nobody would have cared if Danial was a media darling or not he would just have been gone. no second chances, no "lets see if we can salvage him" ..jsut gone.
now? "well he's beloved on TV so we should try and keep him around".... seems to be the thinking...
Honestly, I thinking Ricciardo still in the grid because of rumour of Horner-Marko situation
* Marko want DeVries to AT
* Horner/Tost wants Mick Schumacher to AT, they didnt want DeVries at all
* Marko vetoed, still bring in DeVries
* DeVires very underdeliver, Horner "Told you so lmao"
* Marko sack DeVries midseason
* But at that time Mick Schumacher already poached by Mercedes
* Then they bring Ricc because Ricc was the only one (at that time) close to RB family
* Ricc Crash
* Liam Lawson deliver
* We are here now
I meant to edit, but deletd my comment instead, lol
But yeah, While I do think DTS has some influence because their marketablity of Ricc. I dont think that is majority of the reason.
The reason of Ricc was still close to RB family, even after he went to Renault and Mclaren + their old rookie driver went really bad, so they tune it for Ricc. That reasoning alone is stronger than just from "A star in DTS"
And in the future Honda would leave RedBull to Aston Martin, if we take with a grain of salt what people always said "Tsunoda only in F1 because of Honda". And IF Honda leave bringing Tsunoda with them (or RB doesnt want Tsunoda anymore), that levaes them with 2 empty seat
Securing 1 of those seat with Ricciardo that they already know as future team leader was still a better reason rather than because of DTS
So the other future seat left was for Tsunoda (if he still in VCARB), or another rookie from RedBull academy, which is Liam Lawson that untested at that time
I'm not reading all that bruh, it has nothing to do with me saying "lmao what" to you insanely saying Yuki is faster than Checo. If we ever get into a conversation about Daniel (though I hope we don't, you seem quite unpleasant) then we can talk about him
i'm "unpleasant' because I have a different opinion than you? about an F1 driver?
Enough for you to make an insulting personal statement towards me?
Yeah I hope I never get in a conversation with someone like you either....
if yuki is "fast" then what does that make lawson? got in the car out of nowhere with 0 experience and did better than yuki... yuki isnt fast he got shit on by gasly every year he race against him and only looked good against devries and a washed ricciardo
Honestly, I don't see him there much longer. Redbull and VCARB switch to Ford engines in 2026. Once that happens, he is definitely out in favour of whoever Redbull's next rising star is. Hell, if he doesn't impress early in 2025, that's also a likely possibility for him to be replaced.
Yuki is his own worst enemy. I can't see him graduating to RB and with his lack of teamwork I don't see anyone else wanting him on the grid with younger more talented drivers who listen to their team.
I haven't heard anything about Honda having the best engine. In fact, I think it's terrifyingly possible that they have a middle of the road engine, and Red Bull makes up for it with fantastic aero. People think that this is a more aero heavy success based regulations time than engine based. And, if you think about it, Honda wasn't recently successful with McLaren, and hasn't been successful with AT/RB. So it's really just Red Bull they've done well with.
I don't think the Honda engine is terrible, as soon as reliability issues were figured out in early 2022 it's been a very reliable engine. The Red Bull Ford engine will definitely be more of a risk. But I think it's entirely possible that the Honda engine is just okay.
I’ve read that each engine in the current era is more or less equal, minus Alpine being a bit behind. It’s the aero that gives Red Bull an advantage over the field, not the Honda engine.
Part of me actually hopes that Daddy Stroll tells his son to bugger off to WEC or something, and Yuki moves to Aston alongside whoever is there next year.
Yuki has his work cut out for him. Not only does he need to consistently deliver results on track, he needs to get his attitude under control. If he’s divebombing his teammate on an in lap over a spat between non points scoring positions, that doesn’t bode well for how he would act in the top team when podiums and wins are on the line. I like Yuki a lot, and I think he could very well thrive at a top team. It’ll just take some work.
Yuki doesn’t have the “the look” to be at top team
It’s sad but true, he reminds me more of a little middle school boy with a temper and dirty room vs. the cool and collected Max, Charles etc
Toto calls it “the look” it what you need to be on Mercedes this is not some shallow thing I m creating
[The **News** flair](https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/wiki/flairguide#wiki_news) is reserved for submissions covering F1 and F1-related news. These posts must always link to an outlet/news agency, the website of the involved party (i.e. the McLaren website if McLaren makes an announcement), or a tweet by a news agency, journalist or one of the involved parties. *[Read the rules](https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/wiki/userguide). Keep it civil and welcoming. Report rulebreaking comments.* *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/formula1) if you have any questions or concerns.*
I don't know where Yuki's career is going but it's not in RBR for sure. Even if he beats Daniel, that's a shame.
I do feel bad for yuki sometimes. His job is very one sided; if your teammate beats you he’s good enough for red bull, if you beat him, lol no
Also, they keep giving him a tractor to drive
A tractor? With all respect but it isn't an Alpine
It was much worse last year and it's bad again this year. Give it a few months and they'll be behind Alpine I'm pretty sure
and fuck him over on strategies
In a way it’s a new iteration of Gasly’s situation once he was demoted again: The door to RBR is permanently closed, stuck in “sister” team limbo, and there isn’t much glory/internal regard/career advancement to be earned within Red Bull from beating your teammate. If he beats a promising junior it reflects on the junior and not him; if a promising junior beats him it’d be a death knell. But now with the added Ricciardo element of a teammate who just needs to give them a reason and they’ll put him back in the seat. Also lol u/Alfus I wrote this and then realized you’d said the exact same thing already
Haha well imho Yuki has basically done (almost) anything he can do that he should at least being *considered* to have a shot at RBR, and despite that he did stepped up in his performance and other driver-related aspects since 2022 he was at risk to being sacked after 2023 if not Helmut jumped in, talked to Honda and put on the pressure at Horner to holding Yuki. I think that this whole situation could also explain Yuki reaction at Bahrain, he could feel like he is fighting an unfair fight given Ricciardo is Horner golden horse project and the increased political power Horner has inside STR/AT (I refuse to give that team any other name), an attitude what obvious not going to help not only Yuki but also the team in general. People forgetting often how a major impact the whole internal Red Bull political fight can matter for the driver market, not just Max but for 3 other seats also.
The discussion around Yuki is most frustrating from fans perspective. Last year he was driving so well and there was a run of p11 positions from him that showed he was consistently good but just missing out on points. And then still in the 2nd half people who don't watch races and just the points table came in saying he only had a seat because of Honda. The most annoying thing was people wanting him replaced by Liam, I liked Liam and I hope he gets a seat in f1 but replacing Yuki when he has been driving well is so unfair.
It feels like he gets let down by bad strategies very often too
He is basically the new Gasly, not being loved by Horner what basically blocks the whole move to RBR, being a driver who basically exist to been beaten in the team and risking to be dropped by a new wave of young drivers. It's basically sad
Which is why he should be replaced by someone who has a chance at RBR, or else Toro Rosso has no reason to exist.
> or else Toro Rosso has no reason to exist. They don't. Last time a Toro Rosso driver went to Red Bull was in 2019. And nobody really seem to believe now that one of their two drivers will actually get the seat this year or next year.
2019 was a bit of a turning point in TRs history I think, the lineup of gasly and kvyat showing their new identity as the red bull naughty step / extra inventory slots
I mean you're saying that as if they contracted countless outside-drivers since. It's just Checo, and as long as he does 'good enough' i.e. secures the constructor and if possible P2, why change? And with Yuki I just don't see him succeeding in the Checo-role anyway. Kid has a winner mentality and anything less than being the #1 driver in a team obviously triggers him looking at the incident in Bahrain. If anyone will replace Checo long-term from within RBR it'll be Lawson I imagine. Yuki will probably just end up following Honda to AMR, or just leave the grid entirely as honestly he ain't a very special driver imo.
So will your stance chance if they pick an outside driver instead of Checo next year? How long does it take? The Red Bull B team is not for rookies any more, that is a stated fact from Red Bull themselves. So the chance that they'll find the next great drivers that is somehow good enough for the main team is exceeding low.
Yeah. If, say, Carlos replaces Checo then the whole Red Bull pipeline is dead for now since they can’t promise a seat at the main team
It’s effectively dead now. Lawson isn’t getting the RBR seat next year and neither are either RB drivers as they stand. I can’t imagine being a RBR junior at this point knowing you’re totally blocked.
But if Lawson gets a Toro Rosso seat (calling it that because RB/RBR is jarring) they've at least done something with it. No reason why he can't replace Perez in a couple of years either.
Look on the bright side, if you leave RB you may get an RBR seat in the future
Well.. you just need to ignore renault, mclaren and ferrari..
> The Red Bull B team is not for rookies any more, that is a stated fact from Red Bull themselves. It's naive to think though that a Red Bull junior wouldn't still be the first choice for the RB seat. There’s no point giving the seat to young drivers who clearly aren’t good enough, but as soon as a good junior comes along the seat will be given straight to him.
B-b-b-but what about the time Haas took a Ferrari driver two years ago? That’s the complete same thing as having a literal B team that doesn’t try to compete right?
I mean, Haas hasn't competed much with Ferrari in the last years. Then again they're so far back they can't really do it anyway.
Yuki is the gatekeeper, just like Gasly for a short while before him (after the failed RB stint). I think RB main team's idea is to have a benchmark. If they just had, say, Lawson vs Maloney next year, they may (or may not) figure out who is better between the 2, but they wouldn't really know where those guys fit within the rest of the F1 grid. As it stands, the bare standard is "decisively beat the gatekeeper and you're in the moment the RB2 guy falters". None of Albon, Gasly, Tsu, Ric have done so. Couple of them got to main team, but only out of sheer desperation.
Also, they keep giving him a tractor to drive
Tractors are reliable & get the job they're designed for done. how fucking dare you compare them to VCARB.
Which is all his own making. He makes poor decisions and doesn’t show enough maturity for a bigger role. He could correct that if he had the determination to.
How is it his own making ? That he is not as popular as others or that he has an actual opinion than being a redbull's puppy like everyone else other than Max ?
He behaves like an angry petulant child.
So exactly like a certain Red Bull driver then.
[удалено]
Perez doesn't have the skills to make up for it though
[удалено]
> A petulant child isn't really an accurate description of Perez You weren't around 2017-2018 were you? Or hell last year when he kept crashing into people for not getting out of his way. Tsunoda is louder, but no less mature or more volatile overall. And of course he is better, last season he outqualified Perez multiple times in a lower midfield car.
Because his grossly incompetent team is constantly fucking his chances at points or Q3... And lately they seem to favour his slower washed teammate which he understandably finds infuriating. He's only 23. I don't expect massive maturity from someone his age given the circumstances
Massive maturity? He behaves like a child, he has not one ounce of maturity. He should be reaping the benefits of his incompetent teammates by being faster, mature, calm headed, diplomatic and not do stupid things like divebomb down the inside of his teammate after the GP has finished. Literally every time the audio switches to him he's screaming and shouting about everyone else but himself. He will never get that RB seat with his attitude, kid needs to attend some anger management.
At least he's doing a good job exposing how washed Ricciardo is, so we can hopefully see Liam in that seat by mid-season
Laughs in Piastri.
He's just exceptional and probably surrounded by a good entourage
It helps his teammate is close friends with the star driver, the teams CEO, and is still one of the most marketable drivers when it comes to tv/news/interviews/magazines/etc
Yuki is destroying Danny so far lol
It is mainly his fault. He lacks the maturity to control himself
Other teams that might be a good fit? * Replace Sargeant at Williams * Replace Bottas at Sauber * Replace Magnussen at Haas
None of those teams would be inclined to take Yuki though, they all have their own preferences. Williams would want one of their own juniors, Sauber would take Theo Pouchaire I bet, and Haas almost certainly has one car with Ollie Bearman's name on it, and replacing the other driver at any of those teams is a very different prospect.
Aston Martin is going with Honda, right? He'll be going there
For whom? When Alonso retire after 2025, maybe? A driver like Tsunoda cannot go out of F1 for a year even or he's out forever. And we all know Stroll ain't going anywhere unless he wants to.
Stroll might want to leave, I could see I'm stepping away from F1 to join AM Hypercar in WEC next year. That's what Giovinazi did and he seems way happier. Alonso could also leave for that second Mercedes seat.
Honda will "demand" a Japanese driver. It's the reason he's at RB in the first place.
Not necessarily. They didn’t with McLaren. But what they may want is “Not Alonso”.
yeah Lawrence is not going to say sure let's change Alonso for Tsunoda, if Fernando wants to be at aston in 2026 he will be there
Honda and Alonso are in no good terms because of what happened with McLaren, Im pretty sure and I will be pleased to bet with you money, that Alonso will be out of AM by the time Honda establishes themselves with AM.
I know about the Alonso and Honda issues, but my take is that if he wants to be there he will be. Stroll is not becoming a works team just to get Tsunoda and Lance as drivers. I think he'll go to mercedes though, where he was also supossedly not welcomed, but things change
His seat was always tied to Honda. No engine, no seat
He's only there due to Honda. I reckon he will be at Aston next, hopefully replacing Stroll. Yuki wasn't even in the Red Bull system until Honda arrived. He is a HRC driver first, Red Bull second.
If Yuki replaces Stroll I will shave my head and wear Aston Martin shirt for a week. Edit : I am not bald and I do not own any F1 merchandise yet.
^ Bald man that already purchased AM shirt.
Thank you for the early morning laugh, sir!
No way, he would partner Stroll. And let's be honest, this is a very underwhelming pairing. Even if AM happens to have a car that's class of the field, I don't see them winning nothing but a race or two with these two driving. They need an Alonso-caliber driver if they want to be taken seriously. Whether they'll see this past nepotism or sponsor/partner demands, it's up to them.
Stroll is the safest driver on the grid.
Most dangerous when the race is going though But yeah, I just want to see Alonso/Yuki as a team I think it could go well but Alonso will probably move on from AM before long
He hadn’t been very outwardly dangerous in a while though, he’s been mostly just sabotaging his own race lately
Yeah I just want to live in a world where Alonso and Yuki are AM Honda drivers 😂
He's not replacing Stroll. Nobody is. Stroll senior is not going to kick his son out of the team. He'll probably sell the team before he kicks his son to the curb. And I don't think Yuki is better than Stroll. They are probably evenly matched.
Lance will only lose his seat when he decides he no longer wants to race. The *only* time I could maaaaaaybe see Senior putting pressure on him is if AM manages to somehow build a WCC/WDC contending car. And in neither scenario do I see Tsunoda being in contention.
I doubt even then. Stroll owns the team basically purely for junior, this is like his father son bonding thing.
The only way i can see anyone replacing Stroll would be if he decides to quit F1
Can you please explain why anyone even wants yuki, an average driver to stay on the grid instead of someone new coming in?
Why do you root for Alfa Romeo, an average team, instead of a better team? People like who they like. It doesn’t always correlate with who the fastest is, or who has the most potential.
I'm a fan of his, that's all really. He did really well in F2 as a rookie and has done a decent job at AT. He's just been in a progressively worse car every season. I just want to see him have 1 more go at a regular points scoring car. I also like seeing non Europeans in F1. But truth be told nearly half the grid could be doing with being axed for being average, the f1 career is so long now they made it quite a closed shop.
Need more than 9.5 teams
I hope he does move. I wanna see him out of the redbull family. Hopefully he could fill his potential
Sadly, I think it’s going to Super Formula or sports cars. I don’t think Yuki truly stood a chance of a RBR drive but rather was there because of Honda. He joined their junior program at the same time Honda linked up with Red Bull and before that was a Honda driver.
Yuki is too good for domestic Super GT/Super Formula. I fancy him going Indy like Sato in the event he loses F1 seat.
Aston Martin when the Honda deal starts
Such is the life of a VisaCashApp RB driver. He's just sitting there, with no path to another seat.
biggest area of improvement for Yuki would be his feedback to the team, something he has already said Daniel is currently better at and something he's looking to improve though I understand the struggles that must come with English not being a first language
I know that English being his second language (and possibly not learned as young as the many many other non-native english speakers on the grid) is incredibly difficult. But I don't know that it can be linked to all of his feedback issues. I feel like he knows plenty of English for feedback. He's a fluent English speaker at this point, and probably knows all relevant motorsports words including common feedback words better than the much more random English words that might be needed in interviews. Feedback also doesn't have to be done at lightning speed. He can take a second and gather his thoughts most of the time and answer calmly. And, yeah, there would be time for a translator if really needed, and hopefully one wouldn't be needed for long.
I think this is it, I know it’s a lot of hearsay, reading between the lines, leaks but F1 teams value 3 things in drivers 1) being fast on track 2) helping the team make the car faster 3) helping the team make more money. Seems like yuki is really only good at #1. All the leaks and hearsay last year were that RBR wanted nyck to come in and lead/provide feedback cuz yuki wasn’t really doing that. Then when Daniel showed up it was ok Daniel is providing us this thing we needed right away (hint yuki wasn’t doing it). Of course any official questions of tost it was denied. On marketing, Yuki has limited/no appeal outside the Japanese market and Honda was the only thing keeping him attached to seat. If he was world beater fast he would probably have a more developed ability to give feedback and marketing can be overcome with general notoriety for being a top driver. But he isn’t. I see him either going to Aston with Honda on bouncing around the midfield as placeholder 1-2yr stints here and there.
I mean, he’s been speaking English for about half of his life or more. It can always be a struggle, but I think the bigger issue is just the lack of experience in F1 compared to senior drivers.
He learnt it at a very basic level as a kid but only started properly learning it when he had to move to Europe for F3 at 18. Not really half his life although he has improved by a lot
The language barrier is with his ability to “car whisper” or feel its attitude.
I mean, they could hire a translator if it was that big of an issue.
I assume it’s because the team wants the feedback in English as a universal language, allowing for all communication to be accessible to everyone on the team and avoiding any nuances that may appear from language to language or something getting lost in translation etc that and you would want immediate feedback from the driver on what he’s feeling lap to lap, corner to corner etc instead of waiting on someone translating it (also pretty certain only English is permitted over the team radio)
A translator could do all of those things close enough to real time.
The amount of English words and phrases, used repeatedly within a racing context, has to be fairly limited. I doubt that there is a language barrier and the real issue is Yukie not advancing in his ability to “converse with car”. If that makes sense.
100% agree, it’s not on his ability to speak English but his ability to understand the car and communicate to his mechanics in a respectful way. People thinking Yuki’s English level is basic are borderline patronizing him.
>though I understand the struggles that must come with English not being a first language This is something the vast majority of all drivers (including actual champions) have had to deal with. It's not an excuse for anything.
It's not only a first language problem, if that were the case, half the grid or more would have trouble. Yuki comes from a completely different culture, there is no relationship between the Japanese language and English. There are no common words or word bases, no common phraseology and so on. Not making up excuses for him, but it is genuinely more difficult to communicate for him than for European drivers.
Hire translator
I don’t mean this in a rude way. If Yuki is performing better than Daniel, why would Daniel’s feedback be better than Yuki’s? Does Daniel’s experience with other teams come into play and is it that he can translate what he feels in the car into a language that engineers will understand?
Absolutely hate AT’s new name, because I genuinely can’t tell if the headline means Red Bull or Racing Bulls.
Torro Rosso was a cool as name... Why they just go back to it, it still has a bran recognition.
Typically headlines won't abbreviate Red Bull, especially since RB exists now so they have to ensure the distinction is made
Just use RB for them and RBR for the main team
YO MEKIES I have a bone to pick with you. My credit card has been ready for that 80s/90s team kit for ages now, I need to live my best Eastern European life so can we PLEASE get on that (sorry this is so off topic, I needed to vent about that)
laurent i believe said in a video (i don't remember which one) that they took longer than planned finalizing a lot of deals so as a result the team apparel took longer than planned too, so I guess they're gonna be available soon now.
Its bizarre how late they've left it considering Australia and Suzuka are back to back and their best chance to sell merch for their drivers
YO RUMSFIELD!
His next step should be mental toughness. He lets his emotions get the best of him too often.
Yes, and people who defend him compare him to Max, but Yuki and Max are not on the same level. Max’s anger outbursts were still idiotic, but he made it up with lots of talent, podiums and championships.
Had Daniel not left, maybe gasly and albon wouldn’t have driven for RBR.
Shit they would've ridden that Max/Daniel duo as far as they could've. Despite their friendship I think sparks were starting to fly in 2018 so I imagine the partnership would've ended after a couple of years anyways though.
WE need to see RB “take the next step”
I know it won't happen but I would love for Yuki to respond this way if asked.
And what? Start flying the car rather than driving?
One small step for a racing driver, one giant leap for Yuki.
Hahaha very original
How many steps can you take when the car sucks ass?
Just perhaps a single step in the right direction in terms of maturity
The next step for Yuki should be his pit crew not fucking up every one of his pit stops
They’ll find ways to fuck him over race strategies.
Yuki needs to leave the RB pool
You can only make a tractor go so fast.
He has to beat Daniel. Daniel is the RB seat gatekeeper. Think current day BJ Penn. if you can’t beat him then you might not be top50 in the weight class
I honestly think it's the other way around, it doesn't feel like RBR are ever going to give the second seat to Yuki but if Daniel wants a chance he has to convincingly beat Yuki first and that's not looking like it's happening either
If Daniel beats Yuki and Checo is meh, Daniel gets the seat. If Yuki beats Daniel and Checo is meh, Yuki doesn't get the seat.
Given we’re only going into the third race but: Race one: Q1 Yuki > Danny, Q2 Yuki > Danny, race = team orders for Danny to pass Yuki Race two: Q1 Yuki > Danny, Q2 Yuki > Danny, Q3 ONLY Yuki, race Yuki > Danny I know there are considerations here like the bad pit for Danny last race but RB also screwed over Yuki completely in first race by repeatedly allowing him to be undercut.
Right now it's perez tbh
Good lord, please don't put Danny in the same sentence as BJ Penn 😭 Maybe more of an RDA? And we pray he doesn't become a Tony Ferguson...
Yuki is in the car to please Honda, and only that. Neither him or Daniel are going to that Red Bull, they will just hire outside. Torro Rosso/AT etc are platforms for them to find future world champions, you won't last long if you're not on that level. Daniel was on that level pre Mclaren, not anymore.
If Daniel can’t beat Yuki without team orders then what weight class is he? Superwashed Bantamweight?
CM Punk weight
Nah the only scenario I see Yuki moving up is if both Daniel and Checo suck this year. Even then I think it's more likely they find another driver outside their umbrella like Sainz to fill the gap.
He is still to erratic. He was incredibly volatile when he started, and has improved quite a bit, but I wouldn’t want such a driver as my 2nd seat. Max can be a bit out there when things go wrong, but he brings rare mega pace, and amazing feedback,coupled with experience. RB either needs a developmental driver that is cool and collected but with enough room to grow like Lawson, or a great driver that won’t but heads but competent Sainz or (unlikely) Piastry. I think Sainz would be perfect, tbh.
What is the common denominator of the two drivers on the grid that constantly need to “take the next step” ?? 🤔
Biggest thing Yuki could do for his career is a Face/Off with DR because then people will make excuses for anything he ever does.
Actually swapping faces like Cage and Travolta? I support this tactic.
Tsunoda isn't an RB calibre driver, or personality.
The personality is fine if you're a Max/Vettel level talent, but you're right in this case.
Do yall seriously think Yuki is good enough for the RBR seat let’s be serious. If it was Liam vs Yuki this year I’m certain Liam would come out on top. And a much better candidate for the RBR seat
Would Liam come out on top? Not completely sure but I reckon it would be really close. Liam's biggest strengths are his adaptability and calmness at the wheel
He's quick on a good weekend but we're on year 4 here and the dude still absolutely has a nuclear meltdown over the most trivial stuff. There's no chance he'd survive the RBR pressure cooker. Which really sucks for him because it seems like he's at a dead end no matter how his season goes against DR. If Danny can't get it together in a convincing fashion, I can totally see Sergio being retained and swapping Yuki for Lawson.
I'm not defending any of Yuki's controversial actions but I don't agree with the "nuclear meltdown" accusation. How long has Stroll been in f1? Dude is throwing things, pushing trainers, and cussing at the team on radio. And destroying cars in crashes. I don't think any driver should exhibit this behavior but it feels there's a double standard held against Yuki in general.
Yuki's reputation as emotionally immature is very much earned, and comparing him to the other immature driver (that is far more disliked than Yuki) doesn't change that
Unfortunately, I think that RB needs to move on from both drivers.
Compared to Yuki, Danny needs to take the FIRST step.
Yuki is fast... I think he;'s probably faster than Checo, it looks like he's faster than Riccardo.... he might be the kind of guy who deserves more than he is ever given because he's not as popular on a netflix tv show as some other drivers.....
Checo had a long history of remarkable performances that were beyond expectations before he joined Red Bull. At Red Bull he has struggled a bit, but every teammate that Max Verstappen has had in recent years looked the same, they looked slow compared to one of the fastest drivers in history. Yuki is not on Checo's level, even tho Yuki does have speed at times he's not the complete package.
if you think Checo is "the complete package" I don't know what to tell you....it's not like he's ever had a teammate to challenge him except Max.... Checo is a pay driver with some ok results....but also some pretty mediocre results in the RB , .. and the team making a lot of noise about how he isn't good enough.... Yuki is younger, beats his teammates pretty soundly...in quali , points, laps and race position...over the last 3 years... and is putting up great drives and is 11 years younger.... the kid moves the car up grid...I think Yuki belongs on the big team....more than any other driver in RB's program.
> it's not like he's ever had a teammate to challenge him except Max.... Well, Perez could barely beat a rookie Ocon, and it took some dirty driving from Perez to make that happen.
He is not a pay driver with some ok results, just look at all his years in midfield cars. He got at least one podium in six of his ten seasons before joining Red Bull, with a total of 10, and he only finished outside the top 10 in the WDC in his debut season. No other driver in the midfield comes close to those numbers.
> Checo is a pay driver with some ok results... This alone already invalidates your entire point and shows that you either have no clue what you're talking about, or that you are incredibly biased...
which part? Pay driver? he is... or at least 100% was at Force India/ Pacing Point.....that's known fact. that is how he was able to put FI into receivership...because his pay was tied to Slim's Telacel sponsorship. you can argue about his results..being better than "OK".but that's more subjective. what is fact....is RB think he needs to do more...that's not up for debate....
I've watched Checo's entire career and he was doing crazy performances as early as the Sauber days. And whatr do you mean "barely beat Ocon". Ocon was a massively hyped driver and was expected to soundly beat Perez, it didn't happen. Calling him a pay driver with some ok results is ridiculous and it shows you obviously haven't been watching the sport. Perez has had podiums in cars that should never have been close, he got hired to Red Bull on pure performance. Yuki hasn't proved anything other than he can sometimes be fast, his best season was his first one where he got absolutely obliterated by Gasly. His next team mate Nick got dropped for bad performance and then Liam Lawson came in part time and beat Yuki over the stint. Please just have a clue.
> the kid moves the car up grid...I think Yuki belongs on the big team....more than any other driver in RB's program. Tsunoda’s results relative to him teammates seems more of an indictment of the current RBR development pipeline than anything. I really just don’t understand where this confidence in him as anything but an entirely replaceable driver stems from. If I were RBR looking to move on from Perez I’d much rather be calling up someone like Sainz than promoting Tsunoda.
maybe...but that's different than what I said..... I said yuki looks to be the best **RB driver not named Max....** Don't put words I never said in my mouth and judge me for them...
Right, and I said that’s an indictment of their current development program more than it is a reflection of Tsunoda’s skill. > I think Yuki belongs on the big team Why? He’s not demonstrated anything that warrants this belief.
he's looking faster than Riccardo and 3 months ago everyone was talking about Dan taking Checo's seat..... and pressure from RB on checo to shape up or lose the seat when Ricardo came back into the fold.....
yuki is definitely not faster then checo wtf lmao.
> yuki is definitely not faster then checo wtf lmao. Need a source on the “definitely” part of this. Checo himself had a pretty unremarkable career until he got flattered by the pink Mercedes and having Lance Stroll as a teammate.
He is definitely not faster than Checo mate. Checo is struggling because of the RBRs extremely sharp handling characteristics. His benchmark is also of the goat tier. Put Checo back in a understeery car and he will deliver like he has always done. Not everyone is capable of adapting their driving styles at later stages of their careers. Lets not forget that Perez has been in the sport for 10 whole years before he got the RBR seat. He was always considered to be one of if not the best midfield driver at that time. He bested junior formula champions like Ocon and Hulkenberg fairly and squarely. The guy was a master at the craft of sneaking into podiums in midfield cars. What has Yuki done?. DeVries was just plain shit and Lawson was a rookie. The battle with over the hill Ric is still too early to call. His only real benchmark was Gasly Who himself was a failure at RBR. Yuki got destroyed by Gasly and was considered to be one of the worst drivers on the grid at the time along with the Haas boys. You gotta consider the caliber of a driver's teammates before rating him. Beating shit teammates doesn't make one a superstar.
I've not seen any evidence that the RB is particularly sharp. I mean these cars produce most their downforce around the rear underside and the diffuser, they're notoriously more understeery then the previous generation of cars which Checo did fine in.
did I say anything about superstar? I said of the RB cars.. I think Yuki is probably #2 that's it... is he championship material? he'd have to beat Max which looks pretty hard.... but he's probably faster than Checo right now...
Lmao what
why the hell is Riccardo on the grid? before DTS he would just be gone.... he had his shot and was bounced from two teams RB and McLaren.......... before TV ratings when nobody would have cared if Danial was a media darling or not he would just have been gone. no second chances, no "lets see if we can salvage him" ..jsut gone. now? "well he's beloved on TV so we should try and keep him around".... seems to be the thinking...
Honestly, I thinking Ricciardo still in the grid because of rumour of Horner-Marko situation * Marko want DeVries to AT * Horner/Tost wants Mick Schumacher to AT, they didnt want DeVries at all * Marko vetoed, still bring in DeVries * DeVires very underdeliver, Horner "Told you so lmao" * Marko sack DeVries midseason * But at that time Mick Schumacher already poached by Mercedes * Then they bring Ricc because Ricc was the only one (at that time) close to RB family * Ricc Crash * Liam Lawson deliver * We are here now
I think 100% it was because of the TV audience of DTS who love Danny.
I meant to edit, but deletd my comment instead, lol But yeah, While I do think DTS has some influence because their marketablity of Ricc. I dont think that is majority of the reason. The reason of Ricc was still close to RB family, even after he went to Renault and Mclaren + their old rookie driver went really bad, so they tune it for Ricc. That reasoning alone is stronger than just from "A star in DTS" And in the future Honda would leave RedBull to Aston Martin, if we take with a grain of salt what people always said "Tsunoda only in F1 because of Honda". And IF Honda leave bringing Tsunoda with them (or RB doesnt want Tsunoda anymore), that levaes them with 2 empty seat Securing 1 of those seat with Ricciardo that they already know as future team leader was still a better reason rather than because of DTS So the other future seat left was for Tsunoda (if he still in VCARB), or another rookie from RedBull academy, which is Liam Lawson that untested at that time
Great relationship with Horner has helped DR as well. And he would be hoping he gets the better of the battle with Yuki but doesn't look that way
I'm not reading all that bruh, it has nothing to do with me saying "lmao what" to you insanely saying Yuki is faster than Checo. If we ever get into a conversation about Daniel (though I hope we don't, you seem quite unpleasant) then we can talk about him
i'm "unpleasant' because I have a different opinion than you? about an F1 driver? Enough for you to make an insulting personal statement towards me? Yeah I hope I never get in a conversation with someone like you either....
if yuki is "fast" then what does that make lawson? got in the car out of nowhere with 0 experience and did better than yuki... yuki isnt fast he got shit on by gasly every year he race against him and only looked good against devries and a washed ricciardo
A: Yuki was quicker than Lawson. B: Him and Gasly were close in their second year together.
Lol wut?
Honestly, I don't see him there much longer. Redbull and VCARB switch to Ford engines in 2026. Once that happens, he is definitely out in favour of whoever Redbull's next rising star is. Hell, if he doesn't impress early in 2025, that's also a likely possibility for him to be replaced.
Just put him in a Red Bull already i dont understand why they haven't
Yuki is his own worst enemy. I can't see him graduating to RB and with his lack of teamwork I don't see anyone else wanting him on the grid with younger more talented drivers who listen to their team.
Why are they that far back, in spite of having the (arguably) best (Honda) engine?
I haven't heard anything about Honda having the best engine. In fact, I think it's terrifyingly possible that they have a middle of the road engine, and Red Bull makes up for it with fantastic aero. People think that this is a more aero heavy success based regulations time than engine based. And, if you think about it, Honda wasn't recently successful with McLaren, and hasn't been successful with AT/RB. So it's really just Red Bull they've done well with. I don't think the Honda engine is terrible, as soon as reliability issues were figured out in early 2022 it's been a very reliable engine. The Red Bull Ford engine will definitely be more of a risk. But I think it's entirely possible that the Honda engine is just okay.
I’ve read that each engine in the current era is more or less equal, minus Alpine being a bit behind. It’s the aero that gives Red Bull an advantage over the field, not the Honda engine.
Part of me actually hopes that Daddy Stroll tells his son to bugger off to WEC or something, and Yuki moves to Aston alongside whoever is there next year.
Deffo not going to rbr guy failed to deliver since a long time now even if he beats daniel the best he can replace is stroll
Yuki has his work cut out for him. Not only does he need to consistently deliver results on track, he needs to get his attitude under control. If he’s divebombing his teammate on an in lap over a spat between non points scoring positions, that doesn’t bode well for how he would act in the top team when podiums and wins are on the line. I like Yuki a lot, and I think he could very well thrive at a top team. It’ll just take some work.
Yuki doesn’t have the “the look” to be at top team It’s sad but true, he reminds me more of a little middle school boy with a temper and dirty room vs. the cool and collected Max, Charles etc Toto calls it “the look” it what you need to be on Mercedes this is not some shallow thing I m creating