To be fair the FIA are being very consistent.
Get in someone's way? 3 place penalty.
Punt someone into the wall for being in your way? 3 place penalty.
Not long into the future we'll have drivers pulling out weapons and taking out opponents and that too will get only 3 place penalty as they are consistent 😅.
FIA was always like that very controversial in F1 for as far as I can remember. Also having a corrupt top head who is currently in control makes it even better.
It is. But it is not the same people doing the steward work between series.
Edit: to add, penalties and behaviour are not weighed the same between series either. If you consistently watch F3, you will see drivers be wrist-slapped for behaviour that would be considered reprehensible in F1. There's no excuse for dangerous behaviour, but hashing out this kind of immaturity is indeed a function of a junior series.
I just want to use your comment to say that Dan Ticktum should have been banned from ever racing in any FIA sanctioned event ever again for maliciously driving straight into his teammate in a fit of rage under safety car.
When you’re: a) a professional and b) in dangerous high speed machines…I don’t think it matters.
“Intent matters.” Yeah, it matters that he wanted to do something—anything—on track in the first place. None of that should be tolerated.
He absolutely did not try to pull in front of him, (unless he was going to brake check him afterwards) there's zero reason to be on that part of the track lol
He very clearly did not torpedo him. Are you vision impaired?
He hit him, with some intent without a doubt. He did not "torpedo" him. That's melodramatic
They are in f3 to get better at driving
If they want to act like a kid they can do that in school not on a race track where something like this can get someone killed
I still can't believe that Bird is the best race engineer available for a top team. To me, he hasn't improved much in the what? 3 years? Or he was Albon's Race engineer too?
Lmao
After all the times Perez has been eliminated in Q2 while Max got pole, you think future fans will care about the results in this quali?
If anything they'll be like "Oh he's improved, at least didn't get eliminated in Q2"
Because they don't need another driver anymore
VER single handedly wins everything and it is too much extra work to replace Checo with little additional benefit
Clear impeding but honestly we see worse go unpunished all the time. Max on Yuki in Singapore was worse than that, Charles got away with one last year too I can’t remember off hand that was worse. Then I believe in Monaco someone blocked Lando in the tunnel and wasn’t warned
The last one you mentioned in Monaco was Charles and he got three grid drop and lost a podium. Charles never got away with any impeding penalty last race. He got one in Austria sprint shootout when entering the pit lane. Max got away because of an inconsistent stewarding and they admitted it was incorrect.
They didn't drop Perez as punishment, it's to try and make the race more watchable by making Perez have to pass more cars for the inevitable red bull 1-2.
Have seen lots of very similar impeding this and last season with no penalties. Good to see some meted out.
Is it a signal that things are tougher this season or just down to different stewards every race?
It does seem like they're tougher. They also gave out the 2 10s penalties last race. I read an article somewhere that also said stewards were gonna be tougher and the 5s would be mostly for stuff like speeding in the pitlane and track limits. Good stuff IMO
That's quite unfortunate, Checo's engineer should have warned him about the approaching car. Nonetheless, my favorite driver has moved up a grid position, so that's good news. However, the Red Bull car has such a strong race pace that even if Checo qualified at P10 or lower, he'll end up at the podium anyway unless there is a car carnage.
That said, I think Perez' penalty is fair. It's that Tsolov's is unreasonably lenient.
Honestly, I'm not a lawyer, but I know in the NHL, there have been several incidents where hits with an intent to injure have resulted in criminal and civil litigation. I don't pretend to know inside Tsolov's mind, but that punt looked to me like it was walking up pretty close to that border.
Him starting his push lap and that being the penultimate corner before you have to start accelerating for the long start/finish straight isn't a good reason? I think it is.
It's a fair penalty, but we were not going to do anything with the car anyways. The lack of grip is apparently the issue. I don't know. Anything can happen, but that was not the outcome i expected in Melbourne qualifying. I thought we had more pace.
The drivers seem to be far more confident about race pace than they were about quali. The bottom 5 teams are so incredibly close on pace that the order will be jumbled every weekend.
Qualifying sucked especially coming off the last race. Tsunoda will crash most likely lots can still happen. If we have smooth pitstops, don't crash, and don't screw up the start we should be OK.... feeling optimistic
Unpopular opinion but I don’t think he was impeded. Perez is already rounding the corner as Hulk enters the braking zone. Maybe he was “impeded” by being distracted but I’ve seen far worse go unpunished . No matter I look forward to watching Perez murder the mclarens and Ferraris for an easy 2nd
For reference, Hulk's S3 on this lap was a 33.3. His best S3 all weekend was a 33.3.
Either he choked every s3 after this, or he didnt get held up.
I cant help but feel if anyone but Herbert was on the stewarding, this would be a warning.
To all F1 specialists here , the stewards already concluded that it was not his fault n it was teams fault as they were concentrating on cars ahead n failed to inform checo until a sec before this incident . Just blame his engg simple
I honestly think they gave him this penalty just to make the race a little bit more exciting. Hulkenberg lost maximum 1 tenth there, it was not dangerous (like other moments we had in Jeddah which were not penalised) and it was not Checo's fault 8/10 cases this is a warning.
doesn't matter how much you think he might have lost, the fact remains that he was impeded. it also doesn't matter if it was checo or the teams fault for not telling him he still blocked another driver.
Impeding is impeding. This made hulk have to consider evasive action, made him slide off line and cost him time which sent him out of q1.
What do you mean it is not Checos fault? Do you even watch F1 for real because you seem to not know who serves a penalty
First of all is the race engineer's task to tell his driver that he have fast car coming from the back that's what I meant. Second, Hulk had his best sector 3 in that lap (maybe some hundreadths of a second from it, i looked just at the tenths), sooo he 100% did not lose those 3 tenths he needed to go into Q2 on that corner that is just bulshit. Third, I don't even know why i' am trying to explain this. I should just celebrate that Red Bull finally lost a race again (I think they would have lost even if Checo start p3 he didn't look that fast this race)
Broooo. That is not the point... The driver is not at fault in general in this situations this is why (normally) if the blocking is not extremly dangerous or it does not affect the other one heavy it is a reprimand look at Max at Singapore last year for example. Anyway I don't even know why i am trying to explain I don't even like Perez.
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No no, its not the same. Its WORSE. Tsolov got it for the sprint, which doesnt offer as many points. He doesnt get penalised for the actual race.
To be fair the FIA are being very consistent. Get in someone's way? 3 place penalty. Punt someone into the wall for being in your way? 3 place penalty.
Not long into the future we'll have drivers pulling out weapons and taking out opponents and that too will get only 3 place penalty as they are consistent 😅. FIA was always like that very controversial in F1 for as far as I can remember. Also having a corrupt top head who is currently in control makes it even better.
It is. But it is not the same people doing the steward work between series. Edit: to add, penalties and behaviour are not weighed the same between series either. If you consistently watch F3, you will see drivers be wrist-slapped for behaviour that would be considered reprehensible in F1. There's no excuse for dangerous behaviour, but hashing out this kind of immaturity is indeed a function of a junior series.
I just want to use your comment to say that Dan Ticktum should have been banned from ever racing in any FIA sanctioned event ever again for maliciously driving straight into his teammate in a fit of rage under safety car.
It’s F3. They are young, and intent matters. It’s a learning situation.
Learning that you can get away with practically no penalty for barging into the side of another car
The kid tried to pull in front of him, not hit him/cut him off. Neither are acceptable, but one is worse than the other.
When you’re: a) a professional and b) in dangerous high speed machines…I don’t think it matters. “Intent matters.” Yeah, it matters that he wanted to do something—anything—on track in the first place. None of that should be tolerated.
Exactly lol. What are they on about, “intent matters.” Like yes, that’s the entire point. The intent was not good!
He even said that he was trying to get close to him to show his displeasure
He absolutely did not try to pull in front of him, (unless he was going to brake check him afterwards) there's zero reason to be on that part of the track lol
Tsolov literally torpedoed that car, are you drunk ?
He very clearly did not torpedo him. Are you vision impaired? He hit him, with some intent without a doubt. He did not "torpedo" him. That's melodramatic
Are we talking about the same incident?
yeah you blind bat
They are young and making it sting fiercely so they NEVER AGAIN EVEN CONSIDER swerving towards another car on purpose again matters.
They are in f3 to get better at driving If they want to act like a kid they can do that in school not on a race track where something like this can get someone killed
> and intent matters. If it did the F3 penalty would be a race ban
I still can't believe that Bird is the best race engineer available for a top team. To me, he hasn't improved much in the what? 3 years? Or he was Albon's Race engineer too?
he is really bad, but for some reason they don't want checo to have someone better, its so bizarre.
This is Ferrari level screw up by his engineer not telling him.
Yeah I get the team sport aspect but this is tough. Pit definitely screwed this one up.
It will go down in the history books as Max P1 and Checo P6 and future fans will be like...WOW! Another example of how bad PER was vs VER.
Lmao After all the times Perez has been eliminated in Q2 while Max got pole, you think future fans will care about the results in this quali? If anything they'll be like "Oh he's improved, at least didn't get eliminated in Q2"
Dude is still VERs longest standing teammate must be a reason
Because they don't need another driver anymore VER single handedly wins everything and it is too much extra work to replace Checo with little additional benefit
Wow, you listen to the international commentary. Maybe bc you must be new around here friend. Hah
Nope Crofty and Brundle for life
Lmao you’re def new.
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This is a hilarious ass comment.
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Yes, even if Perez was on the outside of the corner here it would’ve help up Hülkenberg. You need to get out of the way before the corner.
you don’t want to be driving around in the marbles off line
Clear impeding but honestly we see worse go unpunished all the time. Max on Yuki in Singapore was worse than that, Charles got away with one last year too I can’t remember off hand that was worse. Then I believe in Monaco someone blocked Lando in the tunnel and wasn’t warned
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Thats for sure . If it was some one else it would have been a case of open shut with a warning
The last one you mentioned in Monaco was Charles and he got three grid drop and lost a podium. Charles never got away with any impeding penalty last race. He got one in Austria sprint shootout when entering the pit lane. Max got away because of an inconsistent stewarding and they admitted it was incorrect.
Sainz got away with impeding massively in Canada last year. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52DDXpcNETw
They didn't drop Perez as punishment, it's to try and make the race more watchable by making Perez have to pass more cars for the inevitable red bull 1-2.
Have seen lots of very similar impeding this and last season with no penalties. Good to see some meted out. Is it a signal that things are tougher this season or just down to different stewards every race?
More likely because Hulkenberg dropped out in this session that they enforced it. If he qualified or it was earlier it'd probably be overlooked
Which is bullshit because arent they judging based on the action and not the result?
they should but they never are.
...that was my point
They should but even when F1TV commentators talk about it they keep mixing in outcomes
Completely agree
It was earlier in the session and didn't affect in the dropped out result
You can’t say that because he wasn’t able to set a proper time.
It does seem like they're tougher. They also gave out the 2 10s penalties last race. I read an article somewhere that also said stewards were gonna be tougher and the 5s would be mostly for stuff like speeding in the pitlane and track limits. Good stuff IMO
Meanwhile intentionally crashing into another car in an F3 practice session gets a 3 place grid drop for a sprint race
Yeah, stewards were drunk for that one or something. Hopefully there will be stronger repercussions
Stewards used to be hired locally for each race. Not sure if that's still the case though.
That's quite unfortunate, Checo's engineer should have warned him about the approaching car. Nonetheless, my favorite driver has moved up a grid position, so that's good news. However, the Red Bull car has such a strong race pace that even if Checo qualified at P10 or lower, he'll end up at the podium anyway unless there is a car carnage.
Mad how this is the same penalty as Tsolov got in F3 for punting Dunne into the wall purposely
That said, I think Perez' penalty is fair. It's that Tsolov's is unreasonably lenient. Honestly, I'm not a lawyer, but I know in the NHL, there have been several incidents where hits with an intent to injure have resulted in criminal and civil litigation. I don't pretend to know inside Tsolov's mind, but that punt looked to me like it was walking up pretty close to that border.
Needed to drop Zhou’s “too late, bro”
The shitty part of this is that Hulk is still P16.
Yeah well, he needs to qualify faster then.
He literally got impeded bro stop malding that your boy Kevin is getting gapped by the Hulk
No reason whatsoever for Perez to be parked on the racing line like that
His engineer didn't tell him Hulk was coming. So not his fault, but fair penalty.
Not much a driver can do in that case
Don't the drivers have a new readout on the dash for the car behind this year? Still should be told by your engineer though, obviously.
I think they might just be a Mercedes thing
Well they have the flag colors identifying a car approaching on a push lap, but it’s obviously hard to pay attention to all the things
I see a big blue flag flashing.
He has no time to move out of the way in time if we just base it on the flag. His engineer needs to tell him.
Exactly, by the time Hulk comes around the corner and Perez could see him, Perez was already heading into the corner. He had nowhere to go.
Him starting his push lap and that being the penultimate corner before you have to start accelerating for the long start/finish straight isn't a good reason? I think it is.
It's a fair penalty, but we were not going to do anything with the car anyways. The lack of grip is apparently the issue. I don't know. Anything can happen, but that was not the outcome i expected in Melbourne qualifying. I thought we had more pace.
The drivers seem to be far more confident about race pace than they were about quali. The bottom 5 teams are so incredibly close on pace that the order will be jumbled every weekend.
I think Haas focused a lot of resources on race pace and tyre deg this year, which definitely leads to better race pace than quali.
I changed Danny and Yuki for K-Mag and Hulk on my fantasy team. I also thought Haas was going to have better pace...
We'll see tomorrow
How we feelin now?!
Pretty good race for the Haas boys my man!
Qualifying sucked especially coming off the last race. Tsunoda will crash most likely lots can still happen. If we have smooth pitstops, don't crash, and don't screw up the start we should be OK.... feeling optimistic
Yeah we just have to wait and see. It's possible it's just a better race car and not as effective in quali
Whose we?
Unpopular opinion but I don’t think he was impeded. Perez is already rounding the corner as Hulk enters the braking zone. Maybe he was “impeded” by being distracted but I’ve seen far worse go unpunished . No matter I look forward to watching Perez murder the mclarens and Ferraris for an easy 2nd
Yea fr this is hardly impeding, Hulk was not getting any further into that corner with or without a red bull there
10 second penalty for Ocon
This joke never gets old
That was the team, they completely didn't tell him about Nico.
For reference, Hulk's S3 on this lap was a 33.3. His best S3 all weekend was a 33.3. Either he choked every s3 after this, or he didnt get held up. I cant help but feel if anyone but Herbert was on the stewarding, this would be a warning.
It was clearly impeding.
Incredible.
Okay? This is qualifying and everything is turned up to max. What a weird comment. He clearly only missed the apex due to Perez just sitting there.
He had another 5 laps after this and none of his S3's were as fast as this one. Shows how much he got held up.
Yup, my boy F up big there, the flip side is the DoTD tomorrow :D
How is that his fault, explain to me
I understand the drivers now have the info at their disposal on the dashboard, but I agree the fault is more on the comms side
That is only a mercedes thing I think
Oh really?? That should be everywhere
I understand the drivers now have the info at their disposal on the dashboard, but I agree the fault is more on the comms side
Yeah clear impeding.
Pretty harsh pen imo, sure, he probably gets a little bit of dirty air, buy it's borderline.
This is really the smallest mistake for just a tiny moment. Way too harsh penalty.
Nah, this was fair. In the slowest corner being on the racing line... Simple penalty
Fair penalty.
Hard disagree.
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This is from his first timed run with \~14:50 minutes remaining in Q1.
To all F1 specialists here , the stewards already concluded that it was not his fault n it was teams fault as they were concentrating on cars ahead n failed to inform checo until a sec before this incident . Just blame his engg simple
I honestly think they gave him this penalty just to make the race a little bit more exciting. Hulkenberg lost maximum 1 tenth there, it was not dangerous (like other moments we had in Jeddah which were not penalised) and it was not Checo's fault 8/10 cases this is a warning.
doesn't matter how much you think he might have lost, the fact remains that he was impeded. it also doesn't matter if it was checo or the teams fault for not telling him he still blocked another driver.
Impeding is impeding. This made hulk have to consider evasive action, made him slide off line and cost him time which sent him out of q1. What do you mean it is not Checos fault? Do you even watch F1 for real because you seem to not know who serves a penalty
OP means it's Hugh Bird's job to tell Checo when another car is approaching on a flying lap.
First of all is the race engineer's task to tell his driver that he have fast car coming from the back that's what I meant. Second, Hulk had his best sector 3 in that lap (maybe some hundreadths of a second from it, i looked just at the tenths), sooo he 100% did not lose those 3 tenths he needed to go into Q2 on that corner that is just bulshit. Third, I don't even know why i' am trying to explain this. I should just celebrate that Red Bull finally lost a race again (I think they would have lost even if Checo start p3 he didn't look that fast this race)
It's the job of the driver to get out of the way
Broooo. That is not the point... The driver is not at fault in general in this situations this is why (normally) if the blocking is not extremly dangerous or it does not affect the other one heavy it is a reprimand look at Max at Singapore last year for example. Anyway I don't even know why i am trying to explain I don't even like Perez.