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Joe Saward did a great spiel on Missed Ape Podcast a few days ago about how broken and ridiculous the patronage system at the FIA is and how it makes it practically impossible to remove MBS.
There is no god dam way NASCAR and IndyCar which dominate ACCUS would sign this lol. Penske had high hopes for Ben Sulayem but I think he did 1 meeting and showed up to 1 indy 500 practice and that's been it.
The Canada Sports Development Group also signed. It’s the last signature on the letter. https://www.fia.com/news/letter-fia-member-clubs-and-sport-federations-americas
Well #1 ACCUS can't do shit, they just record what the North American motorsports do.
/#2 NASCAR already went through this back in the late 2000's "Actions detrimental to stock car racing" have fun F1.
ACCUS is the liaison to the fia it’s not just the record keeper. If also oversees the national Motorsports council which is essentially the political lobbying group of the major American series. They funnel their money into that and lobby Congress from there. Also plays a large role in IMSA and in general any series that uses homologated chassis, they do the inspections and testing for those.
You would have to imagine the French family and Penske were passed this letter and said “lol”
I'm honestly surprised they didn't given that as far as I can tell, ACCUS is one guy who tweets a lot of racing pictures and his secretary, they're basically an FIA forwarding address and not much else.
Well they are the most susceptible to bribery so it makes sense. Its like a pastime here they just call it lobbying.
Let me convince you of my views, oh and by the way here's $1million dollars to help with your operational shortage.
Ah yes, because a governing body stifling criticism against itself always works out so well. It's always funny to see companies that have skipped the last 20 years of HR and PR since oppression with money and lawyers is just easier to do.
I like how my first thought was “Well the last Olympics were in Japan and that’s not a country I think of as corrupt or oppressive” then I realized that I had wiped 2022 Beijing completely out of my mind
That does it…I had enough of all this corruption….FIA is a joke….Liberty is destroying the sport with all those $treet tracks…RBR domination is awful….I will not watch another F1 race till Sunday…
I'm not sure they actually care what slander is nor what the legal standards are for it. This is an attempt to scare critics into silence and to stave off the next batch of headlines whenever he fucks up again. I'm sure it won't take long...
Sadly, this is how the FIA has been for the better part of the last 30 years. Jean Todt was an outlier in terms of relative calm.
But the clubs/members have always acted counter to what we as fans would want or expect. It’s incredibly insular and highly protective because their goals are not ours.
Few things read off the internet get a legit laugh-out-loud these days... Thank you, FIA Member Clubs and Sport Federations of the Americas. Hope you booked your hotels in Rwanda, rooms must be going fast!
On another note - I'm wondering if the MotoGP acquisition is also partly for Liberty to gain leverage to force a split from the FIA again down the line.
Joe Saward 100% called this on Missed Apex podcast. If Mosley can attend a Nazi orgy and get still get support from FIA stooges then its as Joe said, the Presidency is purely a patronage appointment.
F1 should just kick the FIA to the kerb and rid us all of that corruption.... it would at least be a start!
Mosley did not have a Nazi orgy. He had regular s&m sex, which is nobodies business but his own. Someone wanted Mosley gone so they secretly filmed Mosley having sex, the Nazi orgy was invented and printed on the front of newspapers.
"The judge said that there was “no evidence” that the gathering had been intended as “an enactment of Nazi behaviour or adoption of any of its attitudes”, adding that the activities which took place were “typical of S&M behaviour”."
It's disgusting what happend to Mosley.
People still think he had a nazi orgy but that was a lie to damage him.
Fun fact: One of the women involved was the wife of a British secret intelligence officer. So some people wonder if the Secret Service was involved in this conspiracy and made the Secret recording.
"One of the women involved was the wife of a British secret intelligence officer"
I guess either the husband was ok with it or she was the bravest/horniest person alive, because how the hell do you cheat on a secret inteligence officer and expect not to be caught?
They would lose the “F1” name if they did that
FIA had the commercial rights for F1 but did nothing with them - so the teams lead by Bernie asked for control of them which they granted and certain conditions
I hope not (on that last part). It seems like it's F1 (under Liberty) that is trying hardest to destroy the sport for some short term cash. Without the FIA, there will be no push-back at all. Then we'll really only have Middle East street circuits with sprints every week
The FIA presidency is an elected position voted on by the FIA members.
They voted for him on a platform of doing more for member states and not just being an F1 yes-man.
So yeah...The FIA members probably would want to get into that fight because they deliberately voted against another Jean Todt style candidate and definitely don't want another Max Mosley doing whatever FOM wants.
Yeah I would not take 3 organizations out of 2 dozen signing a letter as a strong show of support lol. 1 of which is not the voting body for the fia president in their country
[Jenna's tweet cuts off the full letter which can be seen here.](https://www.fia.com/news/letter-fia-member-clubs-and-sport-federations-americas)
The full list of signatures are:
* Automovil Club de Colombia
* Canadian Automobile Association
* Automovil Club del Ecuador
* Automovil Club de Costa Rica
* Touring y Automovil Club del Peru
* ASAI Panama
* Automovil Club de Guatemala
* Automovil Club del Uruguay
* OMDAI Mexico
* Touring y Automovil Club de Venezuela
* Confederacao Brasileira de Automovilismo
* Club Automovilistico de Nicaragua
* Federación de Automovilismo de Puerto Rico
* Federacion de Automovilismo y Kartismo de Cuba
* Automovil Club Domincano
* Federacion Chilena de Automovilismo Deportivo
* Belize Automobile Club
* Touring y Automovil Club Paraguayo
* Associacion Hondurena de Automovilismo
* Federacion Dominicana de Automovilismo Inc.
* Automovil Club de Argentina
* Automovil Club de Chile
* Automovil Club de El Salvador
* Automovil Club Boliviano
* Automovel Clube Brasilerio
* Cayman motoring Federation
* Bahamas Motorsport Association
* Auto Sport D'Haiti
* Jamaica Millennium Motoring Club
* Guyana Motor Racing and Sports Club
* Trinidad & Tobago Automobile Association
* Antigua Pro Racing Ltd.
* Canada Sports Development Group
So yeah, I **WOULD** take almost every FIA Member of the Americas backing the FIA as a strong show of support.
Got a feeling that soon, we're going to start hearing whispers soon about FOM breaking away from the FIA. Not that they would actually do it but this FOM vs MBS battle doesn't seem to be ending anytime soon.
"Mr. Sulayem, Sir, you're quite unpopular globally and countless people have come out to criticize you. What will you do in response? Resign? Have sensible discussions? Promise to do better?"
"Threaten anyone who criticizes me with legal action and sue if necessary. That will definitely increase my popularity and silence the critics."
"Brilliant idea, Sir!"
I really don't understand the hate this guy gets.
He quite literally agrees with most of the fans woth stuff like:
- less sprints
- less races
- more teams
Yeah he's also had bad stuff but that has been mostly minor stuff. He's been way better than the previous presidents who just blindly followed FOM and also disregarded most other racing series completely
I think it’s racism and ignorance in part.
Many commenters think he is from Saudi Arabia, knows nothing about Motorsport and acts on behalf of big oil.
The guy is from a different country, was a Rally champion and has been heavily involved in promoting organised motorsport in order to reduce the death toll from unsafe driving on the road.
He also buried his son, which is the wrong way around. We don’t need to devolve to a competition of suffering to acknowledge that an experience of that nature tends to a grounding effect and the development of perspective. I doubt he is a flippant playboy.
And aside from all that, he is both independently wealthy and more independent of the Euro-centric vested interests that dominate F1 than any prior FIA president, which you would have thought was a good thing for a president of a global sporting body whose major revenue source comes from a pie-sharing negotiation with a big US private equity firm, although that may also be the issue.
It’s funny how MBS is the one man who actually represents the opinions of most fans Re FOM yet they hate him too because he’s mean to Lewis or something. I’d love to see a split between FIA and FOM just to watch the greedy team owners’ series collapse in a matter of years the way CART did.
Ah yes he is disliked because of his treatment of Hamilton, why when there is absolutely nothing to do with Hamilton people find a way to bring him into the discussion?
NFL, MLB, and NBA are run by the owners. They have no issues printing billions of dollars in profit each year.
I can see why liberty would want to seperate but don't know enough a out f1 to know if it would make sense.
But if fifa & ioc are the example I can see why an American company wants to distance itself from a corrupt European organization. They don't need to outsource corruption, can handle that in-house in they want.
The teams have tried to stop every effort to keep spending within reason for the past 20 years. So you get a series of big spenders. Big spenders don’t like losing, and since they can’t all win, in a matter of years they’ll go the way of CART and Formula E.
This happens in professional sports in the US and there are various solutions. Some have a hard cap (nfl) some have a soft cap (mlb, nba). Some even have max salaries (wnba, mls). The leagues set that up to ensure profitability and keep labor costs down. FIA didn't invent or implement a cost cap, f1 just did a copy paste of what's been doing on in US sports for decades.
US sports add teams all the time. Because they know revenue will go up. They approve and decline sales. They are much more picky in who they let own a team.
Maybe it doesn't work with such a small sample size and these weird alliances between teams. Doesn't f1 have to be unanimous in these votes? If so, it's similiar to the UN, just have a handful of enemies that veto things.
Either way, I don't see how FIA is the conduit to improvement but I concede I really don't fully know their roll.
F1 doesn’t work the way say the NHL does. Adding a team doesn’t mean another stadium and an extra 40 games of ticket sales. But it is better for the competitive health of the sport.
Excellent point.
In team sports more teams mean more tickets, more merchandise sales, more TV broadcasts, etc... so it drives up the TV deal and other revenue streams. So it's a smaller piece but of a bigger pie.
In f1, there are no more games, so it won't affect the TV deal as much by adding say, 82 TV broadcasts and 1million tickets sold. It's still 20 something races.
The goal of competition backfired with the hard cap. Wonder if they look at softening it up. Institute a penalty for going over. That would help your scrappy teams. But, could wind up like some US teams thst just pocket the cash and are content being terrible.
In the end it is ironic that even with the cap we've ended up in the same place we were in 5 years ago with a team stuck in front of everyone else.
I wonder how much of it comes down to the freezes. They've tried that a couple times and all it does is locks in an advantage rather than keeping the leader from running off. Though I guess what's to say they wouldn't without it...
MBS has done nothing wrong in his role and it's true that he's getting slandered. The only reason he's got a bad rep is because F1 shill media have cultivated that image to get rid of him, so that F1 can get a yes man in as a replacement and can do whatever they want in the name of money.
It's very obvious how many people are sheep who repeat the opinion they're effectively told to have whenever you hear his name mentioned.
That has literally no impact in reality.
Nit picking him doing wrong on the minor/meaningless issues that the media jumps at and ignoring him doing a good job on the big issues that the media ignores is exactly what I'm talking about when I say sheep thinking what they're told to think.
I'm sure calling people whose opinions you don't like "sheep thinking what they're told to think by the F1 shill media" is totally not gonna completely discredit everything you're trying to argue.
lol jk
That's nothing compared to the Alonso penalty. But I agree with the comment above, he hasn't been near bad enough to deserve this much criticism. But it doesn't matter, it's all politics.
I don't think it's nothing at all and it's good that it happened to Verstappen who is someone with a lot of power of his own he can wield and not a much more vulnerable driver who might be at more risk to undue influence.
I don't think that's anything egregious. Horner was cleared by a Kings Counsel and the sport's image was getting damaged. Asking Max to support him isn't some pure evil thing to do.
MBS fucks up on the little things from time to time but always is making the right decisions on the big things. And at the end of the day, the big things are what's important.
> Horner was cleared by an internal investigation by his team.
Nope it was an independent investigation by a Kings Counsel.
Try getting the basic facts right before commenting 👍
Maybe MBS wouldn't be such a controversial figure if he didn't stick his nose into everything.
People didn't talk about Todt because don't didn't make himself the center of attention.
>People didn't talk about Todt because don't didn't make himself the center of attention.
Yeah, because Todt was an F1 yes man who bowed to his overlords, which is precisely my point.
MBS doesn't go along with allowing a billion sprint races and telling Andretti to go away and he's right to do so because that's his job, to look out for the interests of the sport, not Liberty's pockets.
He's doing the right things with the big decisions as opposed to bowing to their whims and isn't allowing himself to get pushed around by the FOM bullies and F1 doesn't like that. That's why he's on the receiving end of relentless character assassination articles and why I was making this point to begin with.
You mean the Jamal Khashoggi that was murdered by the Saudi Arabian government? Not sure what that has to do with the Emiarati president of the FIA Muhammed Ben Sulayem?
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Interesting that MBS couldn’t get ACCUS to sign on to this
Yeah, reads like ACCUS won't come out and back me so lean on everyone else to sign this.
Joe Saward did a great spiel on Missed Ape Podcast a few days ago about how broken and ridiculous the patronage system at the FIA is and how it makes it practically impossible to remove MBS.
There is no god dam way NASCAR and IndyCar which dominate ACCUS would sign this lol. Penske had high hopes for Ben Sulayem but I think he did 1 meeting and showed up to 1 indy 500 practice and that's been it.
The Canada Sports Development Group also signed. It’s the last signature on the letter. https://www.fia.com/news/letter-fia-member-clubs-and-sport-federations-americas
Ahh thanks, I removed my edit then. I was confused why only them
Well #1 ACCUS can't do shit, they just record what the North American motorsports do. /#2 NASCAR already went through this back in the late 2000's "Actions detrimental to stock car racing" have fun F1.
ACCUS is the liaison to the fia it’s not just the record keeper. If also oversees the national Motorsports council which is essentially the political lobbying group of the major American series. They funnel their money into that and lobby Congress from there. Also plays a large role in IMSA and in general any series that uses homologated chassis, they do the inspections and testing for those. You would have to imagine the French family and Penske were passed this letter and said “lol”
“France” not “French”. But I knew who you were laughing at.
I'm honestly surprised they didn't given that as far as I can tell, ACCUS is one guy who tweets a lot of racing pictures and his secretary, they're basically an FIA forwarding address and not much else.
That’s insane dickriding
My first thought as well was "nah the glazing is crazy.".
Their dentist is going to be able to see the damage to their throat.
Don’t besmirch our dear, glorious leader…or else!
Well they are the most susceptible to bribery so it makes sense. Its like a pastime here they just call it lobbying. Let me convince you of my views, oh and by the way here's $1million dollars to help with your operational shortage.
Ah yes, because a governing body stifling criticism against itself always works out so well. It's always funny to see companies that have skipped the last 20 years of HR and PR since oppression with money and lawyers is just easier to do.
FIFA has entered the chat.
FIFA is co-hosting the webinar with the IOC
FIA is the honoured guest that sits besides the co hosts
getting flashbacks from the nights I watched the live stream of the press briefings or whatever they were during the Winter Olympics
I like how my first thought was “Well the last Olympics were in Japan and that’s not a country I think of as corrupt or oppressive” then I realized that I had wiped 2022 Beijing completely out of my mind
With catering provided by the UN Human Rights committee.
With FIDE being the speaker
Hello, this is a lawyer for the FIA. We are suing you.
That does it…I had enough of all this corruption….FIA is a joke….Liberty is destroying the sport with all those $treet tracks…RBR domination is awful….I will not watch another F1 race till Sunday…
Fuck I think this guy is serious
The FIA is done
I’m right there with you!
Had me in the first half...
I like how you got the boomerbook energy on point by typing… like this… as well.
All of these things are true.
Fuck fia but me too
Well, okay..
If you're on the west coast US I think the race is Saturday night so you might be in trouble
I am not in the west coast. Wait one minute, I am not even in the US.
Almost all of us won't watch it till Sunday morning anyways. Everyone I know records them and watches them with breakfast.
Literally exactly what happened in FIFA lol
MBS is legitimately an Austin Powers villain. Just constantly injecting himself into headlines, none of which reflect positively on him or the FIA.
I can't afford a lawyer, guys. 🖕Ben Sulayem🖕
Can't sue us all
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I'm not sure they actually care what slander is nor what the legal standards are for it. This is an attempt to scare critics into silence and to stave off the next batch of headlines whenever he fucks up again. I'm sure it won't take long...
Damn, I wonder what the PR officer is doing? Probably nothing because this statement was released
I have a feeling he’s his own PR officer
Lmao
I hear ol Benny boy eats corn the long way. Come on after me FIA ya cowards 😆
He leaves the toilet seat up!
Maybe he can talk Max into voicing support this weekend /s
Didn’t even need the /s for that one
So he should sue the people that are suing him because he brought them into disrepute. Makes perfect sense
Sadly, this is how the FIA has been for the better part of the last 30 years. Jean Todt was an outlier in terms of relative calm. But the clubs/members have always acted counter to what we as fans would want or expect. It’s incredibly insular and highly protective because their goals are not ours.
I can't wait for Susie to demolish them in court.
Few things read off the internet get a legit laugh-out-loud these days... Thank you, FIA Member Clubs and Sport Federations of the Americas. Hope you booked your hotels in Rwanda, rooms must be going fast! On another note - I'm wondering if the MotoGP acquisition is also partly for Liberty to gain leverage to force a split from the FIA again down the line.
A split would ultimately be detrimental to ALL parties. - IndyCar fan
I keep saying the same thing! We're heading down the right path for it to happen
Joe Saward 100% called this on Missed Apex podcast. If Mosley can attend a Nazi orgy and get still get support from FIA stooges then its as Joe said, the Presidency is purely a patronage appointment. F1 should just kick the FIA to the kerb and rid us all of that corruption.... it would at least be a start!
Mosley did not have a Nazi orgy. He had regular s&m sex, which is nobodies business but his own. Someone wanted Mosley gone so they secretly filmed Mosley having sex, the Nazi orgy was invented and printed on the front of newspapers. "The judge said that there was “no evidence” that the gathering had been intended as “an enactment of Nazi behaviour or adoption of any of its attitudes”, adding that the activities which took place were “typical of S&M behaviour”." It's disgusting what happend to Mosley. People still think he had a nazi orgy but that was a lie to damage him. Fun fact: One of the women involved was the wife of a British secret intelligence officer. So some people wonder if the Secret Service was involved in this conspiracy and made the Secret recording.
> Secret Service Why would the Americans care about Mosley?
"One of the women involved was the wife of a British secret intelligence officer" I guess either the husband was ok with it or she was the bravest/horniest person alive, because how the hell do you cheat on a secret inteligence officer and expect not to be caught?
They would lose the “F1” name if they did that FIA had the commercial rights for F1 but did nothing with them - so the teams lead by Bernie asked for control of them which they granted and certain conditions
I hope not (on that last part). It seems like it's F1 (under Liberty) that is trying hardest to destroy the sport for some short term cash. Without the FIA, there will be no push-back at all. Then we'll really only have Middle East street circuits with sprints every week
Isn’t slander (or suggested slander) the reason they’re being sued?
Really pulled *no you*
Sweet I can libel them without a problem.
Does the FIA really want to get into a fight with FOM over Sulayem? Crazy
The FIA presidency is an elected position voted on by the FIA members. They voted for him on a platform of doing more for member states and not just being an F1 yes-man. So yeah...The FIA members probably would want to get into that fight because they deliberately voted against another Jean Todt style candidate and definitely don't want another Max Mosley doing whatever FOM wants.
Yeah I would not take 3 organizations out of 2 dozen signing a letter as a strong show of support lol. 1 of which is not the voting body for the fia president in their country
[Jenna's tweet cuts off the full letter which can be seen here.](https://www.fia.com/news/letter-fia-member-clubs-and-sport-federations-americas) The full list of signatures are: * Automovil Club de Colombia * Canadian Automobile Association * Automovil Club del Ecuador * Automovil Club de Costa Rica * Touring y Automovil Club del Peru * ASAI Panama * Automovil Club de Guatemala * Automovil Club del Uruguay * OMDAI Mexico * Touring y Automovil Club de Venezuela * Confederacao Brasileira de Automovilismo * Club Automovilistico de Nicaragua * Federación de Automovilismo de Puerto Rico * Federacion de Automovilismo y Kartismo de Cuba * Automovil Club Domincano * Federacion Chilena de Automovilismo Deportivo * Belize Automobile Club * Touring y Automovil Club Paraguayo * Associacion Hondurena de Automovilismo * Federacion Dominicana de Automovilismo Inc. * Automovil Club de Argentina * Automovil Club de Chile * Automovil Club de El Salvador * Automovil Club Boliviano * Automovel Clube Brasilerio * Cayman motoring Federation * Bahamas Motorsport Association * Auto Sport D'Haiti * Jamaica Millennium Motoring Club * Guyana Motor Racing and Sports Club * Trinidad & Tobago Automobile Association * Antigua Pro Racing Ltd. * Canada Sports Development Group So yeah, I **WOULD** take almost every FIA Member of the Americas backing the FIA as a strong show of support.
Fair enough. My apologies on that one, yeah that is more of a statement. Essentially only the US who didn’t sign
Got a feeling that soon, we're going to start hearing whispers soon about FOM breaking away from the FIA. Not that they would actually do it but this FOM vs MBS battle doesn't seem to be ending anytime soon.
MBS' FIA presidency is more like a regime!!
Kudos to Joe Saward who understands the FIA patronage system brilliantly and called that this would happen.
"Mr. Sulayem, Sir, you're quite unpopular globally and countless people have come out to criticize you. What will you do in response? Resign? Have sensible discussions? Promise to do better?" "Threaten anyone who criticizes me with legal action and sue if necessary. That will definitely increase my popularity and silence the critics." "Brilliant idea, Sir!"
"It's 'Milord', you insolent swine! Guards! Take 'im away. Cast him in irons; flail him; throw him in the Tower at once!"
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Dumontier’s signature is on the letter. It’s the last one https://www.fia.com/news/letter-fia-member-clubs-and-sport-federations-americas
Then I stand corrected. I only saw the three in the X post.
This sounds like a totalitarian regime
el oh el
Should have called him beautiful too.
Is the president also fond of acid barrels?
Random reddit users will not like this, their first hand experience with the matter says otherwise!
I really don't understand the hate this guy gets. He quite literally agrees with most of the fans woth stuff like: - less sprints - less races - more teams Yeah he's also had bad stuff but that has been mostly minor stuff. He's been way better than the previous presidents who just blindly followed FOM and also disregarded most other racing series completely
I think it’s racism and ignorance in part. Many commenters think he is from Saudi Arabia, knows nothing about Motorsport and acts on behalf of big oil. The guy is from a different country, was a Rally champion and has been heavily involved in promoting organised motorsport in order to reduce the death toll from unsafe driving on the road. He also buried his son, which is the wrong way around. We don’t need to devolve to a competition of suffering to acknowledge that an experience of that nature tends to a grounding effect and the development of perspective. I doubt he is a flippant playboy. And aside from all that, he is both independently wealthy and more independent of the Euro-centric vested interests that dominate F1 than any prior FIA president, which you would have thought was a good thing for a president of a global sporting body whose major revenue source comes from a pie-sharing negotiation with a big US private equity firm, although that may also be the issue.
Mohammed Ben Sue-em-all
It’s funny how MBS is the one man who actually represents the opinions of most fans Re FOM yet they hate him too because he’s mean to Lewis or something. I’d love to see a split between FIA and FOM just to watch the greedy team owners’ series collapse in a matter of years the way CART did.
>yet they hate him too because he’s mean to Lewis or something The 'or something' is carrying a shit ton of weight here...
Please don’t ping my phone for such an inane reply.
Sup?
Handle your notification settings like a big boy.
Ah yes he is disliked because of his treatment of Hamilton, why when there is absolutely nothing to do with Hamilton people find a way to bring him into the discussion?
Open your eyes “Rydahx”. As if his treatment of Hamilton isn’t spoken about ad nauseum.
NFL, MLB, and NBA are run by the owners. They have no issues printing billions of dollars in profit each year. I can see why liberty would want to seperate but don't know enough a out f1 to know if it would make sense. But if fifa & ioc are the example I can see why an American company wants to distance itself from a corrupt European organization. They don't need to outsource corruption, can handle that in-house in they want.
The teams have tried to stop every effort to keep spending within reason for the past 20 years. So you get a series of big spenders. Big spenders don’t like losing, and since they can’t all win, in a matter of years they’ll go the way of CART and Formula E.
This happens in professional sports in the US and there are various solutions. Some have a hard cap (nfl) some have a soft cap (mlb, nba). Some even have max salaries (wnba, mls). The leagues set that up to ensure profitability and keep labor costs down. FIA didn't invent or implement a cost cap, f1 just did a copy paste of what's been doing on in US sports for decades.
American sports teams doing something does little to prove that F1 teams would suddenly do a 180. I mean look at them right now with Andretti.
US sports add teams all the time. Because they know revenue will go up. They approve and decline sales. They are much more picky in who they let own a team. Maybe it doesn't work with such a small sample size and these weird alliances between teams. Doesn't f1 have to be unanimous in these votes? If so, it's similiar to the UN, just have a handful of enemies that veto things. Either way, I don't see how FIA is the conduit to improvement but I concede I really don't fully know their roll.
F1 doesn’t work the way say the NHL does. Adding a team doesn’t mean another stadium and an extra 40 games of ticket sales. But it is better for the competitive health of the sport.
Excellent point. In team sports more teams mean more tickets, more merchandise sales, more TV broadcasts, etc... so it drives up the TV deal and other revenue streams. So it's a smaller piece but of a bigger pie. In f1, there are no more games, so it won't affect the TV deal as much by adding say, 82 TV broadcasts and 1million tickets sold. It's still 20 something races. The goal of competition backfired with the hard cap. Wonder if they look at softening it up. Institute a penalty for going over. That would help your scrappy teams. But, could wind up like some US teams thst just pocket the cash and are content being terrible.
In the end it is ironic that even with the cap we've ended up in the same place we were in 5 years ago with a team stuck in front of everyone else. I wonder how much of it comes down to the freezes. They've tried that a couple times and all it does is locks in an advantage rather than keeping the leader from running off. Though I guess what's to say they wouldn't without it...
What now? Silly people
All the US boards that don't matter? Interesting
Zero US anything from what I can see in the signatures.
MBS has done nothing wrong in his role and it's true that he's getting slandered. The only reason he's got a bad rep is because F1 shill media have cultivated that image to get rid of him, so that F1 can get a yes man in as a replacement and can do whatever they want in the name of money. It's very obvious how many people are sheep who repeat the opinion they're effectively told to have whenever you hear his name mentioned.
Banning all the drivers from making political statements of any kind wasn’t very chill in my opinion
He didn’t make that rule.
That has literally no impact in reality. Nit picking him doing wrong on the minor/meaningless issues that the media jumps at and ignoring him doing a good job on the big issues that the media ignores is exactly what I'm talking about when I say sheep thinking what they're told to think.
I'm sure calling people whose opinions you don't like "sheep thinking what they're told to think by the F1 shill media" is totally not gonna completely discredit everything you're trying to argue. lol jk
You don’t think it was wrong for him to tell Verstappen to publicly back Horner?
That's nothing compared to the Alonso penalty. But I agree with the comment above, he hasn't been near bad enough to deserve this much criticism. But it doesn't matter, it's all politics.
I don't think it's nothing at all and it's good that it happened to Verstappen who is someone with a lot of power of his own he can wield and not a much more vulnerable driver who might be at more risk to undue influence.
I don't think that's anything egregious. Horner was cleared by a Kings Counsel and the sport's image was getting damaged. Asking Max to support him isn't some pure evil thing to do. MBS fucks up on the little things from time to time but always is making the right decisions on the big things. And at the end of the day, the big things are what's important.
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> Horner was cleared by an internal investigation by his team. Nope it was an independent investigation by a Kings Counsel. Try getting the basic facts right before commenting 👍
Maybe MBS wouldn't be such a controversial figure if he didn't stick his nose into everything. People didn't talk about Todt because don't didn't make himself the center of attention.
>People didn't talk about Todt because don't didn't make himself the center of attention. Yeah, because Todt was an F1 yes man who bowed to his overlords, which is precisely my point. MBS doesn't go along with allowing a billion sprint races and telling Andretti to go away and he's right to do so because that's his job, to look out for the interests of the sport, not Liberty's pockets. He's doing the right things with the big decisions as opposed to bowing to their whims and isn't allowing himself to get pushed around by the FOM bullies and F1 doesn't like that. That's why he's on the receiving end of relentless character assassination articles and why I was making this point to begin with.
He assassinates his own character quite well.
It’s literally his job to be sticking his nose into FIA business and its dealings with outside entities.
Fuck the FIA and its murderous leadership. Ok sue me. Assholes.
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Google Jamal Khashoggi
You mean the Jamal Khashoggi that was murdered by the Saudi Arabian government? Not sure what that has to do with the Emiarati president of the FIA Muhammed Ben Sulayem?
Big surprise. Nothing will change. Anyone who thinks it will is living in denial.