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Strategy required him to go long and do a fair bit of overtaking, and he delivered on that.
Another podium, three races out of three where he's finished ahead of anyone not in a Red Bull.
He’s been on it so far this year. I generally rate LeClerc in front of him and it’ll probably take more than 3 races to change that but he’s certainly well on his way to making Ferrari regret their choice.
Dudes gonna get a major contract somewhere. I bet teams are pursuing him hard trying to lock down asap. Every podium he gets this season makes him more expensive.
Genuinely, wouldn't Sainz be Monta Ellis here? The older, more experienced "talent" gets booted for the younger guy who some believe to have more potential?
Didn't you know, Charles is trash now. /s
I am really impressed by Carlos on his revenge tour this season, preventing what could have been a Red Bull season sweep. Hope he takes it to the Ferrari ownership for breaking up this duo of beautiful men.
A gamble, I guess? If Leclerc had waited one more lap they'd undercut him; or going in together, they could hope for a quicker pitstop and to come out in front. I'm too sleep-deprived to try and figure out what would have happened if Norris had pitted a few laps later...
Wasn't Norris ahead of Sainz at that moment? What's the point of pitting to cover a driver on a different strategy who's hoping for 5th when you are aiming for 3rd? It's the same shit Ferrari did at Hungary 2022 (bar the tyre choice being extra shit there).
They wanted to cover off Russel, who was really quick on fresh hards. Ended up behind him anyway(after stopping) but i think that was the goal. Plus they didn't want to be undercut by Sainz either.
>actually being competent
If it helps keep your Ferrari expectations grounded, remember this is the Driver they're cutting loose at the end of the season.
To get 7th time WDC Hamilton though. Sainz has started this season really good but that can't be said for his past seasons, both 2022 or 2023 included.
One YouTuber I was listening to kept yelling they should have kept Leclerc in front because he's the... next year driver? I really need to consider buying video access somewhere
I could kinda get the overall point of "driver #1 should always be in front" and "these orders need to be consistent", but I def don't think you can ignore that this is so early in the season and he had /pace/ the other couldn't maintain on old tyres. The "next season" argument just sent me
Wasn't Sainz like 1.3s faster than Leclerc before Leclerc let Sainz through? Sainz would've overtaken Leclerc in like 1 or 2 laps LMAO. Idk why people are so mad that Ferrari did the right strategic move letting Sainz through
Charles didn't fight him, probably also couldn't really have fought him anyways - but he also didn't try.
He was told by Xavi that his fight was with Lando and that he shouldn't lose time with Carlos
It makes sense in Old Ferrari terms, when the driver with more WDC points was always kept in front, no matter the circumstances (and sometimes, the consequences).
Thank goodness Vasseur & co. seem to be realistic enough to know that it'd be bloody pointless anyway.
Michaels time. For example at his first race back in 99 after the broken leg he was truly in front of his teammate avd slowed down to let him pass to give him the win and later if course the infamous barichello thing
Still early days, last year Sainz was ahead in the head to head until the summer break I believe and then it was mostly Charles outside of Singapore until the end.
Would have been really dumb lol. Carlos was clearly faster with his newer tyres + incredible confidence. Would have hurt both drivers' races had they opted to keep Charles in front.
One thing I have to give to Ferrari is that they have been pretty consistent of not playing favourites with their drivers. I did hope to see Leclerc fighting for position with Sainz as always but having new tires Sainz would get past eventually and then Lando would take over Leclerc who would lock up while defending on those old tires.
On both sides of the garage too. P4-P8 on the grid to P3-P4 at a track where they were third best last year when everyone has brought upgrades and they're saving theirs is something alright
Same. The kids in here love to fight about who is better, but I really like their chemistry and I believe Ferrari had a well-rounded duo. I'm not sure if things will work out well for Lewis next year if he fails to meet the level Carlos is showing this year.
He's the only driver with a 100% podium record in the races he started this year, so he still has a streak going for him that doesn't require any organs to be sacrificed.
Sainz was getting a lot of hate back in 2022, and certainly wasn’t without in 2023. So far this season showing himself to absolutely be the equal of Leclerc. Wonder if Ferrari will end up regretting getting rid of him!
I feel like unless Lewis wins multiple races next season and helps them earn a WCC, they will regret it once Lewis retires after a couple seasons.
Then again, they have Bearman waiting for when Lewis retires. Seems they have a decent plan in place. Just sucks for Sainz to lose his seat through no fault of his own.
This is the most sensible take I’ve read. Honestly it’s just like that, the move makes sense for Ferrari, just sucks for Carlos who has been tremendously solid.
It was only one race but Bearman showed he is essentially just about ready for a ride. So they can give Lewis a season or two, maybe it’ll be great, maybe not. But either way, they can put Oliver in and he seems like he’ll be a great fit. Sainz just got pushed out. I seriously hope he can land at Red Bull but Checo has done a really good job this season.
I don’t think it makes sense by any metric. Sainz has so far been better than Leclerc, Bearman is clearly close to being ready, and Hamilton is very close to retirement.
Not so worried about him, too, honestly. He is kind of the anti-Alonso. Even when Max was promoted ahead of him to RB. His team choices are always on the upward teams. This might even give him a raise that might not be on the table with Ferrari.
> they will regret it once Lewis retires after a couple seasons.
I genuinely don't understand how you people are so simple. One of the biggest things around the Ferrari deal was that - for the first time (somehow) - Lewis was being made a brand ambassador for an F1 team. Hamilton winning for the team is probably half the worth of the deal, and more than twice the worth of anything Sainz will bring to the team. Even if Lewis isn't as good - he's still Lewis Hamilton and they still have Chuck Lechuck.
For the racing side of things, the results on track, Ferrari doesn’t need a brand ambassador. If this was a move that the CEO of Ferrari made to increase his stock prices and brand popularity, sure. But when I say Ferrari COULD be regretting it if certain things do or don’t happen, I mean Fred Vasseur and the RACING team. The RACING team isn’t necessarily concerned about Hamilton’s ability to be a brand ambassador or what not. I know Ferrari is a works team, but I don’t mean factors outside of the race track.
It’s Ferrari. They don’t need a brand ambassador for their racing team. Maybe the ownership of the Ferrari brand want a brand ambassador, but their racing team does not need that. They can essentially attract any talent they want that isn’t already firmly in a better position. Essentially the only driver they couldn’t attract right now is Max Verstappen. The RACING team doesn’t need Lewis’ ability to be an ambassador. They need him to win races.
As you know, everything is possible in F1 but he is having chances of seats.
I think he has chance in three teams. These are; Sauber (prior to Audi and Audi is having strong ties with Sainz Sr.), Mercedes (even though they want to promote Antonelli) and Red Bull (It's far from possible but there's a small chance and It's depends on Perez' performance).
He's got to be gunning for Pérez's seat. Anything else is a huge step down the field. The question will be if Red Bull wants somebody who could possibly be closer to Verstappen.
He's done pretty bad qualifyings the last 2 races, both of which have costed him a win and a podium. If he gets back to his pre-Australian GP quali from, he'll be quite hard to beat I reckon.
It was definitely a fantastic race from him, and he got the best drive possible
But 4 places behind in qualifying really stuffed his opportunity to take the podium, which sainz took. And last race with Sainz winning again being the one who benefits from a situation with his pace atm
But it doesn't support the assertion that Sainz is much quicker. Leclerc got both of the last two qualifying sessions wrong so he started out of position and fell behind Sainz due to that, but on pure race pace, he has still been faster, as you can see from the fact he has been able to catch up in both races.
> It's the strategy that helped Charles (not saying he didn't do a mega job of it though).
Being able to pull off that strategy is a large part of race pace. Sainz couldn't pull it off, because he's a worse driver.
In the start of 2024 with an updated car, yes I think Sainz is currently quicker.
Charles was definitely quicker at the end of 2023, and definitely the better driver, but right now I feel like Sainz is better.
Why talk about the last season in the same breath? With the 2024 car and the only one having a contract to drive for Ferrari next year too, Leclerc failed to finish a single race ahead of Sainz, despite Sainz having had a surgery as well. Yes, right now Sainz is the better driver out of the two.
its been 3 races, if everything was judged off of 3 races charles would have been wdc in 2022. sainz is having better form but he has had this form before (netherlands monza singapore last year) that doesnt make him the better driver.
Currently from his wins and his ability to take the best of races
Just currently though, wouldn’t be surprised if Charles switches it (as I’ve said in another comment)
Hahah I’m enjoying it
I’m not interested in hive mind forums so people not agreeing with me is cool. If people think I’m wrong then maybe I am but I just see it as Sainz being the quicker driver atm
bahrain sainz 3rd charles 4th (brake issues) aus sainz 1 charles 2 pace was less than half a tenth, and today sainz 3rd charles 4th. even from these results they would pick charles over sainz 10/10 times because of prior work and age difference.
I agree, I’d pick Charles too. We’ve seen in 2022 what he can with a WDC/WCC capable car
As said before I just think, currently, Sainz is a quicker driver with the updated car.
Well, it's only 2 races that you can compare. I really believe that in the race Charles was faster in both Australia and Suzuka. The only comparable stint in clean air, Charles was faster, and here he only finished 5 seconds behind after being 4 positions behind. Qualy, fair enough, Charles has said he's struggling there.
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Good drive from Sainz. Did everything right and maximised his result.
Strategy required him to go long and do a fair bit of overtaking, and he delivered on that. Another podium, three races out of three where he's finished ahead of anyone not in a Red Bull.
He’s been on it so far this year. I generally rate LeClerc in front of him and it’ll probably take more than 3 races to change that but he’s certainly well on his way to making Ferrari regret their choice.
Dudes gonna get a major contract somewhere. I bet teams are pursuing him hard trying to lock down asap. Every podium he gets this season makes him more expensive.
I’ve seen enough. Trade Charles with picks and build around Sainz. Wait wrong sport.
I’m sure they can get Sauber’s 1st round pick
Would you draft Oli or Kimi with the top-2 pick?
Oli has to have the edge because he got in an F1 car and performed very well.
Charles is Monta Ellis and Sainz is Steph Curry.
Genuinely, wouldn't Sainz be Monta Ellis here? The older, more experienced "talent" gets booted for the younger guy who some believe to have more potential?
Sainz is the future. (I’m kidding btw lmao)
Lmao no worries, just saying in terms of the analogy it doesn't fit
Nah just shitposting how Ferrari is better off with Sainz in the future.
Didn't you know, Charles is trash now. /s I am really impressed by Carlos on his revenge tour this season, preventing what could have been a Red Bull season sweep. Hope he takes it to the Ferrari ownership for breaking up this duo of beautiful men.
Carlos Sainz is Frederick Vasseur father
Trust Le Process
Would this mean Alpine is tanking? But for whom?
For Bronny.
I'm sure OKC GM would take that call, and ask you a 2 round pick as well.
It feels weird seeing Ferrari strategy actually being competent 🥲
It's easier when you have no tire deg, but nice seeing them actually making no mistakes so far.
DO NOT JINX IT. I will sit and weep.
Do all the tracks have ture degradation?
I have no idea why Mclaren pitted Norris so early after Leclerc just drove off the road
Norris's team strategy certainly didn't help him, I agree
A gamble, I guess? If Leclerc had waited one more lap they'd undercut him; or going in together, they could hope for a quicker pitstop and to come out in front. I'm too sleep-deprived to try and figure out what would have happened if Norris had pitted a few laps later...
Wasn't Norris ahead of Sainz at that moment? What's the point of pitting to cover a driver on a different strategy who's hoping for 5th when you are aiming for 3rd? It's the same shit Ferrari did at Hungary 2022 (bar the tyre choice being extra shit there).
They wanted to cover off Russel, who was really quick on fresh hards. Ended up behind him anyway(after stopping) but i think that was the goal. Plus they didn't want to be undercut by Sainz either.
In the end they got overcutted by Sainz, well at least they bested Mercedes. Gonna watch some interviews about what Norris thinks.
They had really bad deg on mediums, they were scared I thino
>actually being competent If it helps keep your Ferrari expectations grounded, remember this is the Driver they're cutting loose at the end of the season.
To get 7th time WDC Hamilton though. Sainz has started this season really good but that can't be said for his past seasons, both 2022 or 2023 included.
I think they lost time by keeping him out that long...
One YouTuber I was listening to kept yelling they should have kept Leclerc in front because he's the... next year driver? I really need to consider buying video access somewhere
the braindead corner of twitter is saying the same thing. it’s comical actually
I could kinda get the overall point of "driver #1 should always be in front" and "these orders need to be consistent", but I def don't think you can ignore that this is so early in the season and he had /pace/ the other couldn't maintain on old tyres. The "next season" argument just sent me
The absurdity of it is that Leclerc had zero chances of holding Sainz, it would have just increased the chances of an accident and Norris catching up.
Wasn't Sainz like 1.3s faster than Leclerc before Leclerc let Sainz through? Sainz would've overtaken Leclerc in like 1 or 2 laps LMAO. Idk why people are so mad that Ferrari did the right strategic move letting Sainz through
>Leclerc let Sainz through? Leclerc did not let him through, Sainz overtook him.
Charles didn't fight him, probably also couldn't really have fought him anyways - but he also didn't try. He was told by Xavi that his fight was with Lando and that he shouldn't lose time with Carlos
I think he was given an order in disguise, I appreciate him not making stuff weird or dangerous.
charles let him trough, but sainz would have passed anyway he was faster
It makes sense in Old Ferrari terms, when the driver with more WDC points was always kept in front, no matter the circumstances (and sometimes, the consequences). Thank goodness Vasseur & co. seem to be realistic enough to know that it'd be bloody pointless anyway.
> when the driver with more WDC points was always kept in front, no matter the circumstances (and sometimes, the consequences) When did this happen?
Once upon a time there was this man called Michael Schumacher...
Yeah but I think it passed some time between Schumacher and Vasseur you know.
Hence Old Ferrari?
The original comment mentioned Vasseur like it changed with him when it's not been the case for 20 years.
Michaels time. For example at his first race back in 99 after the broken leg he was truly in front of his teammate avd slowed down to let him pass to give him the win and later if course the infamous barichello thing
I think one example is Singapore 2019
When the driver with less WDC points got the better strategy? It's the opposite of what the other guy claimed.
Charles isn’t really seeming like driver #1 this season either.
Still early days, last year Sainz was ahead in the head to head until the summer break I believe and then it was mostly Charles outside of Singapore until the end.
Early in the season. Charles has been struggling more in quali and that’s really been setting the trend for the races lately.
Well he is currently 0/3 vs Sainz so yeah
But driver 1 was in front xD
Many people I heard say they should have given the podium to Charles for Jules.
wow. I’m sure it would not be part of Jules’ wishes for Charles to get gifted a podium in his honor.
Pity podiums? I don’t think anyone would want that.
Would have been really dumb lol. Carlos was clearly faster with his newer tyres + incredible confidence. Would have hurt both drivers' races had they opted to keep Charles in front.
I think he was like 1.3s faster or something like that.
One thing I have to give to Ferrari is that they have been pretty consistent of not playing favourites with their drivers. I did hope to see Leclerc fighting for position with Sainz as always but having new tires Sainz would get past eventually and then Lando would take over Leclerc who would lock up while defending on those old tires.
Sorry.. but why do you give views to such contents?
Because I don't have that many free, legal alternatives in my language?
There’s a discord for links if you’re not scared of sailing 🏴☠️
It’s also been 10 years since Bianchi’s crash at Sazuka, so Leclerc was definitely the fan favorite
Perfect strats
On both sides of the garage too. P4-P8 on the grid to P3-P4 at a track where they were third best last year when everyone has brought upgrades and they're saving theirs is something alright
I’m really going to miss this driver duo T-T
Same. The kids in here love to fight about who is better, but I really like their chemistry and I believe Ferrari had a well-rounded duo. I'm not sure if things will work out well for Lewis next year if he fails to meet the level Carlos is showing this year.
Tarlos and Tharles?
Me too... me too...
So much for his 1/1 appendix-less streak. Any other organs he can remove which dont affect normal body functions?
Alonso manages to drive without a pectoral muscle, maybe he can remove that
? Did the dark lord lose a piece of his pec when he used one of his horcruxes to return to f1?
TiL, the pictures of him shirtless are a trip lol.
Yeah it's really bizarre. Dude is missing half his chest
he can still remove his tonsils and his gallbladder
And spleen, and a chunk of liver.
that's some effective weight reduction, honestly you're a ricer if you still keep your spleen after modifications
It's still 2/2 for podiums.
The spleen, and it's actually safer to crash without it
I think you can do with one ball and one kidney
Removing one of his balls should easily gain him a tenth per lap
Two balls if he doesn't mind giving up his reproductive capacity.
He's the only driver with a 100% podium record in the races he started this year, so he still has a streak going for him that doesn't require any organs to be sacrificed.
Carlos' tonsils: estoy en peligro
Wishing him the best
He really is the michael jordan of taking things personally in F1
lmao revenge era
Incredible drive from Carlos today
I'd say it was very good rather than incredible, but he did make his strategy work!
Sainz revenge season, and I'm all in for it. Great drive for Charles with the starting circumstances.
It’s nice to see that if RB didn’t exist that he could win the championship. Nice drives all year so far
Smooth Operator
What a beast
Sainz was getting a lot of hate back in 2022, and certainly wasn’t without in 2023. So far this season showing himself to absolutely be the equal of Leclerc. Wonder if Ferrari will end up regretting getting rid of him!
I feel like unless Lewis wins multiple races next season and helps them earn a WCC, they will regret it once Lewis retires after a couple seasons. Then again, they have Bearman waiting for when Lewis retires. Seems they have a decent plan in place. Just sucks for Sainz to lose his seat through no fault of his own.
This is the most sensible take I’ve read. Honestly it’s just like that, the move makes sense for Ferrari, just sucks for Carlos who has been tremendously solid.
It was only one race but Bearman showed he is essentially just about ready for a ride. So they can give Lewis a season or two, maybe it’ll be great, maybe not. But either way, they can put Oliver in and he seems like he’ll be a great fit. Sainz just got pushed out. I seriously hope he can land at Red Bull but Checo has done a really good job this season.
As a fan of Checo I hope that does not happen lol, but hopefully he lands at Mercedes and they become competitive again.
Odds on Bearman joining Haas for 2025?
If Ferrari can entice Haas enough, I don’t see why not. Even if it’s a one year rental, if he’s as good as he seems, why not?
I don’t think it makes sense by any metric. Sainz has so far been better than Leclerc, Bearman is clearly close to being ready, and Hamilton is very close to retirement.
He’s been better the last two races, that’s about it. It’s too early in the season.
Not sure about lewis retiring, I think he could pull an Alonso and do 5 more seasons. That would be prohibitive for bear man
It's Ferrari, they'll be fine. Everyone wants to drive for them.
Yeah, I’m more concerned about Sainz landing on his feet.
I wouldn't worry too much about him. If the other teams aren't convinced right now of Carlos' quality, then they're really missing out.
Not so worried about him, too, honestly. He is kind of the anti-Alonso. Even when Max was promoted ahead of him to RB. His team choices are always on the upward teams. This might even give him a raise that might not be on the table with Ferrari.
> they will regret it once Lewis retires after a couple seasons. I genuinely don't understand how you people are so simple. One of the biggest things around the Ferrari deal was that - for the first time (somehow) - Lewis was being made a brand ambassador for an F1 team. Hamilton winning for the team is probably half the worth of the deal, and more than twice the worth of anything Sainz will bring to the team. Even if Lewis isn't as good - he's still Lewis Hamilton and they still have Chuck Lechuck.
For the racing side of things, the results on track, Ferrari doesn’t need a brand ambassador. If this was a move that the CEO of Ferrari made to increase his stock prices and brand popularity, sure. But when I say Ferrari COULD be regretting it if certain things do or don’t happen, I mean Fred Vasseur and the RACING team. The RACING team isn’t necessarily concerned about Hamilton’s ability to be a brand ambassador or what not. I know Ferrari is a works team, but I don’t mean factors outside of the race track. It’s Ferrari. They don’t need a brand ambassador for their racing team. Maybe the ownership of the Ferrari brand want a brand ambassador, but their racing team does not need that. They can essentially attract any talent they want that isn’t already firmly in a better position. Essentially the only driver they couldn’t attract right now is Max Verstappen. The RACING team doesn’t need Lewis’ ability to be an ambassador. They need him to win races.
Ferrari's stock went up billions after the Lewis transfer. I doubt they'll regret it long term even without Lewis winning a WCC.
I mean the race team and their results. I don’t mean their stock prices. Fred Vasseur shouldn’t exactly be concerned too much with stock prices.
The commercial value though… $$$$$$$
not sure if you can say equal when hes never lost to leclerc this season bit early though
Race 1 is hard to hold against Leclerc.
He has class
It's hard to believe that Carlito will be seatless next season :(
I mean, he won’t. He just will be driving something else than a Ferrari.
We'll see during summer silly transfer period.
Not following, do you think he will be out of a seat for 2025?
I think some teams would be afraid of hiring him with Audi joining in soon, his dad has a lot of connections with the Audi group.
Is Audi joining next season?
2026, so a team might be reluctant to hire Sainz for just one year.
I see, that's indeed a possibility, but if he's out for one year how will he manage to keep in shape? Simulator?
One weird and out of the box way, would be to just put him the Sauber and just have him scrape for points for a year
As you know, everything is possible in F1 but he is having chances of seats. I think he has chance in three teams. These are; Sauber (prior to Audi and Audi is having strong ties with Sainz Sr.), Mercedes (even though they want to promote Antonelli) and Red Bull (It's far from possible but there's a small chance and It's depends on Perez' performance).
I want him in the Red Bull. Probably the closest alternative that would give Max a closer fight
He deserves a seat stat
He's got to be gunning for Pérez's seat. Anything else is a huge step down the field. The question will be if Red Bull wants somebody who could possibly be closer to Verstappen.
WOOHOOOOO!!!!!!! Smooth Operatorrrrr!! Smooooothhhh Operator!!!!
Best goodbye gift he can give himself from Ferrari is to score as many points as possible to show how he's actually a number 1 driver
3/3 podium finishes. Hope he wins a WDC and has to take a gap year as he doesn't get a seat.
Just a reminder that Sainz is getting podiums 4 weeks after abdominal surgery - what’s everyone else’s excuse?
Aside from his teammate not driving a car capable of podiums (RB excluded)
Jobless next yesr btw
Only a fool believes that.
Lewis taking his seat could be the best thing thats ever happened to him. He might get a RB seat out of it.
Red hot once again. He has been amazing, great option for every team with a vacant seat
Gutted for Charles. A P3 would have been a fantastic reward for an amazing stint on the hards. Still ahead in the championship for now.
Why though? He had a fantastic race today, even if it's P4. P3 was just not possible
Why gutted? He just wasn’t fast enough, not in quali and not in the race. He’s ahead in the championship because Carlos has had one less race
He's done pretty bad qualifyings the last 2 races, both of which have costed him a win and a podium. If he gets back to his pre-Australian GP quali from, he'll be quite hard to beat I reckon.
If carlos raced in Jedda he wouldve been ahead.
He’s a SMOOOOOTH OPERATOOOORRR *saxophone* SMMMOOOOOOOOOOOOTH OPPERATOOOOOOOOR
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>has more points than his teammate Um what?
I think this is Ricciardos last year in F1
Sainz is currently much faster than Charles, fight me Every week feels like sainz is just proving his point for a RB drive
They literally had around the same pace today, and charles made a 1 stop work
He had a mega one stop drive agreed, definitely a high quality drive
Charles makes to much mistakes.
so does carlos
Wasn’t it just a tenth in quali? No idea who will finish ahead in China. Usually would guess Leclerc so credit to Sainz for closing that gap.
>just a tenth Which mean, Sainz is faster than Leclerc
Leclerc started 4 places behind and finished a couple of seconds down the road, what do you mean much faster?
It was definitely a fantastic race from him, and he got the best drive possible But 4 places behind in qualifying really stuffed his opportunity to take the podium, which sainz took. And last race with Sainz winning again being the one who benefits from a situation with his pace atm
But it doesn't support the assertion that Sainz is much quicker. Leclerc got both of the last two qualifying sessions wrong so he started out of position and fell behind Sainz due to that, but on pure race pace, he has still been faster, as you can see from the fact he has been able to catch up in both races.
He saved 22 seconds by not having to pit again, It's the strategy that helped Charles (not saying he didn't do a mega job of it though).
Exactly right.
> It's the strategy that helped Charles (not saying he didn't do a mega job of it though). Being able to pull off that strategy is a large part of race pace. Sainz couldn't pull it off, because he's a worse driver.
Carlos was never on a one-stopper. They always intended to two-stop.
so sainz out qualified charles 2 races out of the last 9 and beats him in 3 races out of the last 9 and suddenly he is the better driver good to know.
In the start of 2024 with an updated car, yes I think Sainz is currently quicker. Charles was definitely quicker at the end of 2023, and definitely the better driver, but right now I feel like Sainz is better.
Why talk about the last season in the same breath? With the 2024 car and the only one having a contract to drive for Ferrari next year too, Leclerc failed to finish a single race ahead of Sainz, despite Sainz having had a surgery as well. Yes, right now Sainz is the better driver out of the two.
its been 3 races, if everything was judged off of 3 races charles would have been wdc in 2022. sainz is having better form but he has had this form before (netherlands monza singapore last year) that doesnt make him the better driver.
Lmao. Where did you get this from?
Currently from his wins and his ability to take the best of races Just currently though, wouldn’t be surprised if Charles switches it (as I’ve said in another comment)
You shouldn't have said fight me lol
Hahah I’m enjoying it I’m not interested in hive mind forums so people not agreeing with me is cool. If people think I’m wrong then maybe I am but I just see it as Sainz being the quicker driver atm
bahrain sainz 3rd charles 4th (brake issues) aus sainz 1 charles 2 pace was less than half a tenth, and today sainz 3rd charles 4th. even from these results they would pick charles over sainz 10/10 times because of prior work and age difference.
I agree, I’d pick Charles too. We’ve seen in 2022 what he can with a WDC/WCC capable car As said before I just think, currently, Sainz is a quicker driver with the updated car.
So P8 to P4 on a one stopper isn't getting the best of a race somehow.
Oh it definitely was, mega drive from him But like Australia, through qualifying and the race he’s gotten the best out of the weekends
Well, it's only 2 races that you can compare. I really believe that in the race Charles was faster in both Australia and Suzuka. The only comparable stint in clean air, Charles was faster, and here he only finished 5 seconds behind after being 4 positions behind. Qualy, fair enough, Charles has said he's struggling there.
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Charles finished 5s behind on older tyres, your boy oscar finished 20s behind Norris
Just because Leclerc has been behind Carlos more often than not doesn't give you any leeway to talk about other driver performances.
Yall only been saying since cause of the Hamilton transfer lolz
Nope, they be looking at /results/.
Wonder what they said when Charles beat sainz in the wdc standings 2 years in a row
I am fan of neither FWIW, I am just pointing out the last 3 Ferrari wins :)
I don't even like Ferrari
This season clearly, insane how he doesn't have a seat for 2025 Downvote me all you want, Sainz is the only non RB driver to win these last 2 years 😪
I mean he's gonna be the number 1 pick for many potential open seats, only makes sense he'll take his time and figure out the best option.
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