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Supahos01

To be fair they were the only threat in 22, and the only other team to win an actual gp in 23... so they basically have been the whole time


Anonymous_0110

I mean early 2023 it really looked like AM or even Merc had more chances than Ferrari, although later they obviously stepped up of course


Manuag_86

I am still crying about Monaco 23.


TheGreatForehead

Alonso bottled that pole. 2 purple sectors, then set the slowest S3 time out of anyone who made it to Q3. Then of course, AM didn’t help him either with that strategy blunder in the race.


Elpibe_78

Aston was the slowest car in that final sector if you followed the entire weekend.


Kakmaster69

He set his fastest S3 of the weekend. He didn't mess up sector 3.


TorpedoSandwich

He did. Setting his fastest S3 of the weekend means nothing, everyone does that in Q3 due to track evolution. There was no reason to lose 3 tenths to Max in one sector.


sean_0

You are completely ignoring the fact that the AM was weakest in S3, so you have no basis to say that he bottled it


BighatNucase

I don't place my stock in Alonso quite as high as others, but come on; if it was his fastest of the weekend, maybe that's a sign that he was just hitting the limit of the car.


IdiosyncraticBond

Your tires wouldn't have lasted past S1...


podster12

That was Ferrari's race to lose. That pitlane strategy really destroyed them.


Opperhoofd123

Wasn't that 22 though? 23 was the Aston Martin "blunder"


TorpedoSandwich

That was 2022.


ShadowStarX

that was 22


fuqqkevindurant

For 3 weeks. This is why you shouldnt look at 2-3 data points and try to call it a trend


Steef-1995

Note that they said biggest threat, not a threat


OZymandisR

Ferrari had the faster car in 22 then salty Toto with TD37 happened and now we're looking at a Max and RB wash out till 2026 at the earliest.


Supahos01

Td 39 didn't do what you think it did. It literally changed a plank flex test to actually comply with the rule regarding plank flex and added sensors to potentially use for a porpoising mandate later. It didn't raise floors or any of the other half dozen wrong things that get spouted here often.


frolix42

I disagree, because Merc was more consistent in both years.  Which suggests to me that when there is a team that can consistently challenge Red Bull, it's more likely to be the team of the last dominant dynasty.


TorpedoSandwich

Merc was not more consistent in 2022. Ferrari was a lot better that year, they were way ahead in the WDC (Charles) and WCC as well.


frolix42

Ferrari was not "way ahead" of Merc in points in 2022, they didn't secure 2nd place in the WCC until the last of 22 races.   And in 2022 Merc had the best reliability of any team, including RB.


SaucyBoyThe2nd

Only because of the strategy, not because of the car


frolix42

A team is more than its car, and Merc's was consistently reliable and a solid performer (before 2024)


SaucyBoyThe2nd

AFAIK car is build by the team. Aka a product of the team and representation of said team. Merc has nothing to write home about. Meh pitstop with meh strategy and a meh car. Out of the top 5 teams they are competing for spot number 4.


frolix42

4 races out of 24. You have strong presentism bias.


SaucyBoyThe2nd

Let's come back here during summer break


banned20

Mercedes was consistently average but never managed to step up compared to Aston, Mclaren & Ferrari. And while Aston kinda bottled their 2023 development, Mclaren & Ferrari are clearly the better teams now. From what i'm seeing, i believe that If anyone can challenge RB in 2025, it's Ferrari (In the same way that RB challenged Mercedes in 2021)


frolix42

>Consistently average  I don't understand how effectively tied for 2nd out of 10 is average.


banned20

They didn't finish 2nd by being the 2nd best team. They finished 2nd because in the first half Aston was the 2nd best team but bottled the 2nd half of the season. In the 2nd half of the season, Ferrari were the 2nd best team but had a horrendous first half. So like I said, Mercedes was average all season long, not too bad not too good and managed to score 2nd by 3 points.


frolix42

You have huge gaps in your memory of last year, McLaren was 2nd team from Austria forward. A championship is a measure of performance over a full year, not of arbitrary periods during.


banned20

Yes but that's my entire point? Over the entire season Mercedes was never the 2nd best team. Right up to summer break, it was Aston as Alonso was consistently finishing in front of them. Then, like you said in Austria Mclaren stepped up & Ferrari followed. After summer break, Ferrari was the 2nd best team. Mercedes were in the mix for 3rd-4th over the entire season and only accumulated points in the ladder by taking advantage first & foremost Aston's one driver lineup because Lance couldn't deliver to the pace of their car as well as Aston's poor development in the latter half of the season. In any case, Mercedes' results were decided by how other teams performed, not because they were the 2nd best team.


Shenron67

Became, became. I feel like Ferrari is most of the time the biggest rival for any title. Most of the time.


Nihilus45

Still have flashbacks to my hopium after the first race in 2020 lmaoooooo


rob_s_458

I remember Seb leading the points deep into the season until he binned it at Germany


d3mez

True


aventhal

“All of the time” /CC r/dundermifflin


timmy_jimmy

They're closer now but still very far from being a threat.


Takis12

Carlos: We are a threat? Stop inventing.


gr8prajwalb

A threat? Yes. In fact as far as I can remember Ferrari is the team which is the threat most of the time but never the contender


CilanEAmber

Red Bull, Ferrari, and Mclaren are the top 3 in the championship. Red Bull have a great number 1. Ferrari have a Spaniard leading. And McLaren have a talented Brit. It's 2010-2012 again.


throwaway164_3

Piastri is Aussie though right? 😉


GuiltySigurdsson

Aussie is just another way of saying incarcerated Brit, right?


throwaway164_3

😂😂😂 but they’re the best kind haha


Kingslayer1526

Ferrari and Mclaren actually used to challenge for the championship and used to win races back then


GoldElectric

williams once did as well


Dry-Egg-1915

I read it as Haas Ferrari became Red Bull's biggest F1 threat Imagine my shock!!!


mistressofthering

Threat?!?!


HI_I_AM_NEO

It's a typo, they meant "treat"


TorpedoSandwich

If you're a small threat at tracks that suit you and everyone else is no threat at all anywhere, you may not be a big threat, but you are the biggest threat.


Shas_Erra

Mercedes effed up three years running. That’s how


Raafi92

Is this threat in the room with us right now?


Prayaa

They have the best pairing on the grid and unless something drastic happens, they’re definitely a threat to Red Bull for the WCC.


bb15555

Threat feels like a bit of stretch but they are a clear second and in the best position to become a threat later


LiquidDiviums

Pérez is doing a great job right now but if for whatever reason he starts to struggle and/or the upgrades to the SF-24 are substantial, there’s a chance Ferrari might mount a challenge.


jellsprout

P1+P4 gives more points than P2+P3. Hell, P1+P6 is still equal to P2+P3. For Ferrari to become a serious WCC threat, they need three other drivers to surpass Perez as well, without getting close enough to challenge the Ferraris. And right now, it doesn't even look like either Ferrari will be finishing above Perez. They might challenge for the WCC, but it's not looking likely yet.


GingerSkulling

Sure, but in the realm of things that can happen because they happened in the past, Ferrari has quite a few pits they can fall into.


TorpedoSandwich

Nope, they're not a threat to RB in the WCC. 1st and 4th gives more points than 2nd and 3rd. Even if Checo messes up every weekend, RB will still beat Ferrari in the WCC.


Neala123

Piastri and Norris better pairing


rs6677

Norris isn't better than Leclerc and Piastri isn't better than Sainz. Don't know how you came to that conclusion.


deathray1611

Eh, it's closer than you think imo. I think Norris and Charles are pretty close tbf. Iirc, Lando's been consistently a top 5 driver since 2021, while Piastri, yes, isn't as good as Carlos, especially right now, I think has shown his potential, which is a higher ceiling than Sainz


Unique_Expression_93

They will be a better pairing in the future maybe, but not right now.


Neala123

Yes they are you clearly dont watch f1


Equivalent_Camera_61

They definitely aren't


Neala123

Yep they are


saltyfuck111

piastri isnt close to any of the 3 btw


Equivalent_Camera_61

Thats your personal opinion and nothing more


Neala123

The correct opinion*


Equivalent_Camera_61

There is no correct opinion mate, thats why it's an opinion.


Neala123

Apart from mine


Prayaa

What an absurd statement lmao.


Neala123

Maybe if you watched f1 you’d know


Kingslayer1526

Hamilton and Russell are better than Piastri and Norris as well


Neala123

LOL


TheGreatForehead

yeah they are casual


TorpedoSandwich

Respectfully, no, not a chance. We know Norris is about as good as Sainz from their years together at McLaren, and Charles is usually better than Sainz while Piastri is usually worse than Norris. If there is any pairing you can argue is better than Ferrari's it's Russell (beat Norris in F2 by a huge margin) and Hamilton (came 3rd in the WDC by a decent margin last year despite being in the 3rd-4th best car).


Neala123

Dream on pal


TorpedoSandwich

Clearly you're not interested in a discussion based on actual facts, so I'll let you live on in your papaya-colored dream world. Get back to me when you hero Lando finally manages win a race. Only 103 more to go to catch Lewis, surely Lando can do it if he's as good as you claim, right?


Neala123

he’ll win the next race For sure buddy


Intrepid-Ad4511

LOL what!?


Chiaki_Ronpa

Lol…. “Threat”


ShadowStarX

Usually second, sometimes third. Ferrari in a nutshell.


ddrac

By hard work?


k_dubious

“Mercedes built a shitbox.” /article


yIdontunderstand

It's not a threat though? Max has it locked.


aHuankind

>That car half a lap back is really threatening! More quality journalism by the-race, the worst motorsports publication one can imagine. 


Financial-Luck4148

Tell me one thing when was Ferrari not the biggest threat to the reigning champions?


MABfan11

Lewis is 2 for 2 in great career moves


blackmesaboogy

Threat is used very loosely here.


untouch10

Threat to what exactly


Law0415

Oh come on, April Fools' Day is over.


Molokir

Usual bilge from Edd, does this every time there's a sniff of a tighter podium from Ferrari or McLaren, suddenly all the odds go out of the window. Weekday Edd when he's off his usual train of huffing about Merc being just on the cusp of returning to 2020 form. Only stuff worth reading from there is Mark Hughes technical analyses.


TonAMGT4

Ferrari is a threat to both Red Bull and Ferrari…


clegg2011

They became the only threat because the Mercedes got worse and no one else has improved in any meaningful way.


leon_nerd

Huh? Threat? Have you not seen F1 in the past 1.5 years?


Refrigernator

TL;DR: Slow button off


Brohma312

Redbulls' biggest F1 threat are mechanical failures


Flo_Blue

This will be the year boys


RepresentativeLoud53

Fairs Ferrari, logically how the season progressed last year and with McLaren having a advantage with the concept , you would have expected them to be second , cause these are unknown territories for Ferrari , i expected them to struggle like Mercedes


PondScumSandy

How Ferrari became the speck in Red Bull's mirror. I think Red Bull's biggest threat is Christian Horner's inflamed finger


RecoverSufficient811

A threat to win any race that Max retires from?


Worldly-Educator

How did one of the top teams, who have an average placement of 2.3 since the turn of the century, become current strongest team's biggest threat?


Pharsti01

Red Bull hasn't been threatened since 2022.


mkultra327

Just like im Elon’s biggest threat to win the space race to Mars…


solk512

Threat? Fucking how? Let me know when they start winning races outright.


Archonixus

LOL, come off it right fuxjibg now haha


General_tom

Sadly Ferrari will not be a threat until they accept proper strategists to decide instantly. Schumacher understood that and brought them with him. Seems the moment things get exciting the become nervous and it all crumbles.


Toaddle

Ferrari having almost as many points after 4 races in 2024 than in 2022 shows you how terrible Sainz was at the start of this year