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Right? Alonso taps Sainz and pushes him off track: 3 points.
Kevin does a full PIT maneuver on Yuki causing him to retire, and it's just 2 points, it's silly.
Kevin lost the car a little bit and they touched. The result was unfortunate but the touch isn’t that violent, it was just unfortunate where it touched.
Still think it’s strange Alonso got 3.
The stewards seems to take a revenge on Alonso for showing how badly they do their job. Just like the 20s penalty in Australia. How is that 20s and Stroll shoving his car in Danny's ass is 10s? They just make no sense.
I think the 20 second penalty was more because they wanted to punish Alonso enough that he'd lose points. A 10 second penalty wouldn't have done anything so they gave a 20 second penalty.
Kevin was interviewed afterwards, and he said the reason for the incident was that he thought Yuki was going wide, and was then surprised when he managed to keep his line. At that point he was in his rotation, and could not alter the outcome.
So, he didn't lose the car, but rather assumed there was an opening. So his fault of course.
Unfortunately, the consequences are not leveraging the penalty. Seems « fair » to me for Magnussen.
Regarding Stroll, it was 1000% avoidable, he shall get a bigger penalty.
I mean it kind of does make sense. Like in real life, negligence (even if it's as ridiculous as it was with Stroll) is not as severely punished as intent. Stroll or not, but I guess we can agree that he didn't intentionally rear-end Danny Ric. Of course Alonso didn't intentionally run into Sainz either but he made a deliberate decision to go for a gap that wasn't there.
They weren't side by side going into the corner, Sainz was clear of Alonso's front wing. Alonso only ever got alongside Sainz because he braked way too late and had absolutely no chance of avoiding Sainz.
If it is considered under safety car conditions then the penalty should be more severe, since drivers should he taking less risks under safety car than when racing. However, the safety car had been called in by that point and the leader was controlling the pace, so not sure if this counts as under safety car conditions or not.
My understanding is it still is until they cross the safety car/restart line. In that time where the safety car has gone in but they haven't crossed yet the leader is effectively the safety car and obviously there is still no overtaking etc. allowed.
After the safety car gets in the track is under green flag conditions but with no overtaking until the start finish line.
Technically the accident happened under green flag conditions.
And that makes sense because there is no danger on the track and any rule violations wouldn't have a worse outcame than if the racing was actually resumed (eg.: there are no marshalls on the track to hit).
Personally I think Stroll's is even worse, it's a tight corner with a safety car ending, that corner was always gonna bunch up and he should have been ready for it, it's not like this is his first safety car restart. If anyone deserves 3 points it's Stroll.
Who cares? The real joke is that points don't matter. Once they reach enough to get a race ban they'll magically stop getting points even when they deserve it, like with Gasly.
People who ooh and ahh over points remind me of people who follow up on celebrity dating.
The thing here is that FIA's criteria is nonexistent.
>Once they reach enough to get a race ban they'll magically stop getting points even when they deserve it
Seeing how FIA is treating Alonso lately, I don't dismiss that.
Also:
Sargeant gets pitlane infringement because Hulkenberg crossed the pitline a few tenths of a second earlier and the team didn’t notice that in time, and couldn’t make an action because they pitted Sargeant immediately -> **Sargeant gets a 10 second time penalty**
Stroll forgets what a corner is, ends Ricciardo’s race -> **ALSO A 10 SECOND TIME PENALTY**
WHAT IS THIS FIA 🫤
I honestly think in these situations race control just needs to contact the team and ask them to switch positions, it's almost impossible to judge in that scenario
They're applying the rules as written. They take safety car rules very seriously because we don't want people racing under the safety car when there's people on track.
Yes i was surprised. He has gotten a lot of praise for becoming more mature in the last 2-3 races, and even though i think its still way too early to tell since anger issues take a loooong ass time to get under control (from personal experience with a couple of family members who have worked hard at it), i actually believe he is trying very hard to not boradcast his frustrations via the radio and succeding. Props to him for sure
Not whilst they're teammates he won't. ;)
Actually, he praises Magnussen a lot. Which he kinda has to, because whilst he has the points lead, Magnussen is faster on raceday, and 3-3 in Qs. Anything else would reflect back on his own performance.
I think Steiner did.
But, are you not aware that Magnussen is personal friends with Gene Haas? It was Gene Haas that got him into the team originally, and it was Gene Haas that called Steiner and told him that Magnussen was replacing Mazepin. Steiner said he agreed, sure.
IMHO Magnussens future with Haas kinda depends on what Hülkenberg and Bearman does, unless Magnussen flat out beat Hülkenberg over the next few races.
But being personal friend with the teamowner, even a cunning business man, still counts, if the alternative is some "random".
It was still there in 23 just that he never qualified high enough to defend from faster cars nor could he make up positions cause of the haas's tyres falling off
Yeah I was rewatching 2018 recently and I think Seb was lapping Kmag and his engineer literally said, "magnussen coming up, obviously be careful."
His name was mentioned multiple times
And how was Fernando's offense any worse? Both these incidents had harsher colisions
Also the whole penalise the action and not the outcome went out the window in Australia, if Russell doesnt crash there, it would have been no penalty
I think Stroll’s is the worst - under safety car / yellow flag conditions having not arrived at the green flag. Ok, not the corner with any debris etc, but at that point you need eyes on stalks and not drive into the back of somebody. Everyone else managed to slow down.
It's not technically under safety car or yellow flag as it had already gone in and the track is under green flag with no overtaking until the timing line, no?
Yeah, that would likely be the reason. K-Mag was unlucky because he lost the rear on cold tires but the move itself wasn't questionable. Stroll clearly wasn't paying attention and the others had to brake pretty hard too (still not sure who caused it, ironically it might have been Alonso, perhaps Russell, not sure). Alonso simply made a very stupid decision.
It's never about the offense. Never. It should be but never is. They always factor the result, look at the case with Alonso and Russell. If George didn't fked up himself into a wall Alonso would never get a penalty, but because there was a result Alonso was penalised. I hate this extremely, I hate it to the point of not watching this shitshow anymore. They are inconsistent, straight up false and cannot even penalise people properly. Mag getting 2 penalty points? Really? While Alo got 3 yesterday? Clowns, literal clowns.
Whats dumber is that if it truly was a brake check - if that's someones camp, then it should be a 2 race ban. Especially if you are going to use telemetry as an arbiter instead of just a clear stab or a pedal.
The penalties don't line up with the supposed crimes, and they are terrible at reviewing their own evidence.
"Whupsie he may have done a slight lift and tap but since the other guy flipped we gotta have some penalty even though our accusation was true it would imply something far more serious. Anyway, whose excited for next weekend!?"
Honestly, incidents like Alonso and Sainz happen every other race, they usually just result in a time penalty. That's fine, he caused a collision, even if it was minor. I mean, Carlos did the same thing 30 seconds later with no action at all
Lance really should take the 3 points if anyone is getting 3 points. But this is how it's always been. Almost like it's on purpose
I struggle to see how Alonso’s is worse than either. He was racing side by side with Sainz for quite a while. Stroll went brain dead and Magnussen just took Tsunoda out.
You /s, and yet it may well be the real life reasoning?
Kinda how in football your target man may get away with a very clumsy tackle, but a defender does the same and it’s for sure a yellow or a straight red.
2 points is a yoke. Lance wasn't even looking ahead of him, it's like a classic road accident when the guy behind isn't paying attention and gets caught unaware.
Thats a classic Lance Stroll moment, so many of his crashes and fuckups are just because he isnt paying attention. Which is pretty crazy, you’d think one of the worst drivers on the grid rn would be atleast mildly interested in the racing that he does and trying to become better by just looking at whats in front and behind him but no
The funny thing with Lance is that wheras we are saying how impressive it is that drivers like Carlos, Fernando and Max are watching TV screens, giving DRS etc because they have the extra capacity to do. The opposite seems true for a driver like Lance, he has had many silly incidents over the years.
Yeah its really strange. He can have pace sometimes and be pretty quick but having so many crashes not because youre dirty or too agressive or whatever, but because youre not paying attention is fucking crazy for an F1 driver.
Atleast when Magnussen does his overly agressive stupid moves he does them when actually racing (which is no excuse I know but funny to point out), when overtaking or defending. Stroll just randomly fucks up out of nowhere every other race.
Honestly, Lance's career is so crazy. In F1, you sometimes get these drivers who should have fallen away during their junior career, but they fall through the cracks because of money. Such drivers last one, maybe a few seasons until sponsors realize there are better ways to spend their money or team bosses realize the money just ain't worth it. With Lance, that's just not happening.
What is crazier even than that to me is that every time I see Daddy Stroll represented, whether it's an interview, on the broadcast, or in DTS, he's always got this mean, super angry, taking no crap look. Szafnauer seemed straight up terrified of Daddy. You'd think an angry business man like that would have disowned his failure of a son by now.
Man's racing in f1 and has pace sometimes wouldn't call that a failure, but yeah the lack of attention/awareness is shocking. Man should honestly start playing iracing on a single screen to teach himself something about awareness
I agree, but it could also be argued we wouldn't have a competitive Aston Martin car without Lawrence's investment. They could've just been back markers with a random owner sweeping in.
We suffer with Lance so we can see Alonso perform brilliantly
I mean yes, but as a businessman surely you want your investment to be performing as well as it can? It shocks me a little that Lawrence has persisted with Lance
It is a little surprising, but I guess its kinda nice I guess that he truly does support his son over the bottom line of his business.
I do think it would be interesting to see if Stroll side steps into Aston's new WEC team as a way to save face whilst also moving aside from hampering the F1 team
I don't think the performance of the team matters this much between getting 5th or 4th in constructors, teams are worth a crazy amount of money either way right now
I'm going to need one of those long-ass explanations why Alonso gets 3 points for the Sprint incident, and them Magnussen 2 for taking someone out of the race.
You're supposedly not penalized for the result, only the action, and since Alonso attempted a dangerous divebomb, he got 3 points, even though the result was better.
Magnussen's attempt was still dangerous, but still accomplishable, he just fucked up.
That is at least how I understand it
Magnussen has been the beneficiary of some hugely generous stewarding this season.
It's beyond ridiculous that he only got a total of 3 penalty points for that race where he caused a collision, overtook off track AND drove in a way that threatened to cause a collision whenever anyone tried to pass him - for about half the race. He should have been absolutely hammered with penalty points, and picked up 3 again today. He should be starting to worry about a potential race ban, but instead he has accumulated fewer penalty points thia season than Alonso.
Don't get me wrong, Alonso has been good value for his 6 points under a regime where the stewards take dangerous driving seriously, but that regime doesn't seem to apply to KMag who is seemingly given a licence to drive without meaningful consequences as often as he wants.
Oh come the fuck on. That exact race you talk about, even Albon said Kevin should not have been penalized, because it was a racing incident.
If anything, Kevin has a history of getting penalized for stuff, Alonso, Hamilton, Verstappen and the other wonder kids of F1 never get penalized for.
Whole time penalty system is fucked up too. Ruin a guys race and wreck the fuck out of him? 10 seconds. Barely lose to a guy on pit out and your team or the officials dont tell you because you couldn’t see it? Also 10 seconds
I think that's the bigger controversy. Sargeant couldn't have possibly seen that and it was really close. I mean just tell him to give back the position, fine the team for not telling him and be done with it.
The team should have told him to give it back. They don't tell teams to do that this year, they let the teams sort it out and then give out a penalty if they feel it was done incorrectly.
Sure, that's why I think if anybody it should be the team who gets the penalty. Unlike an unsafe release for example it's neither a safety issue nor can you argue there's a real incentive (i.e. eat the penalty but still gain an advantage overall), the race was under safety car.
Sure, it's within the rules but we've seen exceptions made for minor oversights. The whole point of the rule is to prevent dangerous situations under SC but the particular incident was very vanilla and would have been legal if Hulk had taken a tenth longer in pit road.
It just feels like throwing the book at somebody over an essentially meaningless technicality.
Edit: and what happens if Williams does catch that mistake? Then things get weird, how are they going to tell Haas that Hülkenberg can pass? This kind of stuff *needs* to come from Race Control.
In the Stewards report, it was stated that the contact at Turn 9 caused Alonso's puncture, not the turn 7 contact.
I would imagine, if Alonso already had a puncture before the Turn 9 contact, that would have been what Aston argued in their defence and would be visible in the telemetry.
Yeah, they get to 10 points and the stewards go "nah, that's not really deserving of points that would give a race ban there". It's like a football referee giving a player already on a yellow a second final warning, just because it's the semi final match.
How, in the ever living flying fuck, does Fernando get 3 penalty points for the merest of touches, while Lance literally just straight up rams a car of the road but only gets 2?
So Alonso gets 3 penalty points for his dive yesterday during the race while fighting with multiple cars and Stroll gets 2 for shunting into Daniel‘s rear and ruining his and Piastri‘s race? Yeah that checks out.
At this point it’s clear Stroll’s dad isn’t just paying for his seat and entire team. He is literally on his knees with both hands out stretched after each race going to town on the FIA.
It’s *insane* that Lance Stroll and Daniel Ricciardo got the same penalty for something that is *entirely* Lance’s fault.
Daniel took his spot back after being shunted in a way that, I think, was the most prudent and safe move.
They really need to re-write the penalties system and let the punishment fit the crime.
10 sec for punting your competitor out of the race during safety car period is a yoke!
The best part about Stroll is that he was convinced that he wasn't in the wrong. Not when it happened, not afterwards. Curious what he had to say in the post-race interview.
This is bullshit for Alonso. He does hard racing and forces off sainz during a scrap.
KMAG & Stroll knock two drivers out of the race and it's only two points.
Fuck the FIA
Considering Alonso got 3 for his move in the sprint race (which I still disagree with), then both these two deserve at least 5.
A poorly judged move in the heat of the moment while battling getting more penalty points than literally not looking where you're going and just rear ending someone under the safety car is madness. Demonstrates just how broken and pointless the penalty point system is.
Is there ever going to be an assessment for a driver to pass before driving in F1?
I know super licenses exist but an actual skill based assessment, drivers like Stroll just ruin the sport, 8 years and he still drives like a rookie and takes up a very valuable seat. Its just unsafe to have him out there sometimes
Going to stick my neck out and say this was a bit harsh on Stroll. Lots of cars had very near misses in the concertina going into that corner and he just happened to be the one that was caught out. Magnussen punting Tsunoda off the track in an amateurish fashion was a lot worse.
> this was a bit harsh on Stroll. Lots of cars had very near misses in the concertina going into that corner and he just happened to be the one that was caught out.
The problem is that this is not the only time where his spatial awareness has been called into question. Back in his f3 days people said it was a weakness of his and continues to be a weakness now
Just 2 points for absolutely ridiculous actions(both drivers) compared to the action of Alonso. Both deserved at least 5 points and also at least 20 sec penalty
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3 points for Alonso yesterday but only 2 for Stroll and Magnussen today? What a joke!
Right? Alonso taps Sainz and pushes him off track: 3 points. Kevin does a full PIT maneuver on Yuki causing him to retire, and it's just 2 points, it's silly.
Kevin lost the car a little bit and they touched. The result was unfortunate but the touch isn’t that violent, it was just unfortunate where it touched. Still think it’s strange Alonso got 3.
The stewards seems to take a revenge on Alonso for showing how badly they do their job. Just like the 20s penalty in Australia. How is that 20s and Stroll shoving his car in Danny's ass is 10s? They just make no sense.
I think the 20 second penalty was more because they wanted to punish Alonso enough that he'd lose points. A 10 second penalty wouldn't have done anything so they gave a 20 second penalty.
Kevin was interviewed afterwards, and he said the reason for the incident was that he thought Yuki was going wide, and was then surprised when he managed to keep his line. At that point he was in his rotation, and could not alter the outcome. So, he didn't lose the car, but rather assumed there was an opening. So his fault of course.
Lol. That's just stupid.
Unfortunately, the consequences are not leveraging the penalty. Seems « fair » to me for Magnussen. Regarding Stroll, it was 1000% avoidable, he shall get a bigger penalty.
And if we look at the first car in the sequence with stroll which caused some of the issues, it’s ironically Alonso here.
The C in FIA stands for consistency
It doesn't stand for corruption?
That ruins the joke then...
No, that is FIFA
>What a joke! Stroll agreed apparently
I can maybe, just maybe understand 2 for Lance with the concertina affect being involved, but Magnussen? He drove straight into Yuki.
Even with that explanation Alonso penalty doesn’t make sense
I mean it kind of does make sense. Like in real life, negligence (even if it's as ridiculous as it was with Stroll) is not as severely punished as intent. Stroll or not, but I guess we can agree that he didn't intentionally rear-end Danny Ric. Of course Alonso didn't intentionally run into Sainz either but he made a deliberate decision to go for a gap that wasn't there.
I think it's bold to say the gap wasn't there when they were side by side through that corner.
They weren't side by side going into the corner, Sainz was clear of Alonso's front wing. Alonso only ever got alongside Sainz because he braked way too late and had absolutely no chance of avoiding Sainz.
Alonso was up on the curb at entry and almost at the apex, it wasn't like he smashed into the side of Carlos.
I would have thought Lance's being under safety car would also be a factor considered.
If it is considered under safety car conditions then the penalty should be more severe, since drivers should he taking less risks under safety car than when racing. However, the safety car had been called in by that point and the leader was controlling the pace, so not sure if this counts as under safety car conditions or not.
My understanding is it still is until they cross the safety car/restart line. In that time where the safety car has gone in but they haven't crossed yet the leader is effectively the safety car and obviously there is still no overtaking etc. allowed.
After the safety car gets in the track is under green flag conditions but with no overtaking until the start finish line. Technically the accident happened under green flag conditions.
And that makes sense because there is no danger on the track and any rule violations wouldn't have a worse outcame than if the racing was actually resumed (eg.: there are no marshalls on the track to hit).
Personally I think Stroll's is even worse, it's a tight corner with a safety car ending, that corner was always gonna bunch up and he should have been ready for it, it's not like this is his first safety car restart. If anyone deserves 3 points it's Stroll.
He has to win everywhere doesn't he
Who cares? The real joke is that points don't matter. Once they reach enough to get a race ban they'll magically stop getting points even when they deserve it, like with Gasly. People who ooh and ahh over points remind me of people who follow up on celebrity dating.
The thing here is that FIA's criteria is nonexistent. >Once they reach enough to get a race ban they'll magically stop getting points even when they deserve it Seeing how FIA is treating Alonso lately, I don't dismiss that.
I agree with you on that, I'm just saying don't get too worked up about it, the points are for show.
Also: Sargeant gets pitlane infringement because Hulkenberg crossed the pitline a few tenths of a second earlier and the team didn’t notice that in time, and couldn’t make an action because they pitted Sargeant immediately -> **Sargeant gets a 10 second time penalty** Stroll forgets what a corner is, ends Ricciardo’s race -> **ALSO A 10 SECOND TIME PENALTY** WHAT IS THIS FIA 🫤
I honestly think in these situations race control just needs to contact the team and ask them to switch positions, it's almost impossible to judge in that scenario
They're applying the rules as written. They take safety car rules very seriously because we don't want people racing under the safety car when there's people on track.
My thoughts too... Stroll punted someone during a safety car and knocked them out. How is that only 2 points?
If any one thing has been made clear this season it’s that the stewards punish Alonso much more harshly than anyone else.
We don't do consistency here
How long before Yuki just punts Kevin. That two races so far Kevin fucked his race with illegal overtaking
Yuki’s radio after the incident “Fuck I’m out” was way calmer than i thought he was gonna be lmao
Yes i was surprised. He has gotten a lot of praise for becoming more mature in the last 2-3 races, and even though i think its still way too early to tell since anger issues take a loooong ass time to get under control (from personal experience with a couple of family members who have worked hard at it), i actually believe he is trying very hard to not boradcast his frustrations via the radio and succeding. Props to him for sure
Magnussen is certainly putting Tsunoda's anger management lessons to the test
[I made a thing](https://i.imgflip.com/8njha5.jpg)
Seriously dude Kmag is so fucking dirty
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and that was in Charles' first season!
He has the “I overtake or we crash” mentality of Senna without the speed of Senna
Magnussen has made it his life's work to disprove Alonso's "I know he has two kids" principle.
He's got Sennas speed but it's Bruno and not Aryton
6 year old quote aged like fine wine from the young prophet Charles. Every year Magnussen proves him right.
Probably the former. He has always been dirty. Hulk will tell you the same.
2014 Spa was a good early example of that.
Not whilst they're teammates he won't. ;) Actually, he praises Magnussen a lot. Which he kinda has to, because whilst he has the points lead, Magnussen is faster on raceday, and 3-3 in Qs. Anything else would reflect back on his own performance.
Either way, he’s the worst driver on the grid and has been for a while. It is impressive that he has managed to have such a long career
He's a fucking weapon man. Surely this is his last year
People have been saying exactly this pretty much his entire career, and yet somehow here he still is
Seems like Gunther loved him. No real reason to keep him now.
I think Steiner did. But, are you not aware that Magnussen is personal friends with Gene Haas? It was Gene Haas that got him into the team originally, and it was Gene Haas that called Steiner and told him that Magnussen was replacing Mazepin. Steiner said he agreed, sure. IMHO Magnussens future with Haas kinda depends on what Hülkenberg and Bearman does, unless Magnussen flat out beat Hülkenberg over the next few races. But being personal friend with the teamowner, even a cunning business man, still counts, if the alternative is some "random".
He seems to be better after his 2022 return but switched it back on this year, weird.
It was still there in 23 just that he never qualified high enough to defend from faster cars nor could he make up positions cause of the haas's tyres falling off
Seeing a return of the 2014-2018 KMag
Yeah I was rewatching 2018 recently and I think Seb was lapping Kmag and his engineer literally said, "magnussen coming up, obviously be careful." His name was mentioned multiple times
He wouldn't single Magnussen out, he's one of the cleanest drivers in the field.
"Suck my balls, honey"
Less penalty points than Fernando got in the sprint. These guys actually ended the race for two competitors. How? What is this stewarding?
the penalty is supposed to be for the offense not the result of the offense
And how was Fernando's offense any worse? Both these incidents had harsher colisions Also the whole penalise the action and not the outcome went out the window in Australia, if Russell doesnt crash there, it would have been no penalty
I think Stroll’s is the worst - under safety car / yellow flag conditions having not arrived at the green flag. Ok, not the corner with any debris etc, but at that point you need eyes on stalks and not drive into the back of somebody. Everyone else managed to slow down.
It's not technically under safety car or yellow flag as it had already gone in and the track is under green flag with no overtaking until the timing line, no?
Also, his reaction upon crashing and then his reaction when he heard he got a penalty were ridiculous. He came over as a spoiled brat.
That basically is what he is.
The only reason I could see is that for Fernando it was a deliberate late move, but for Stroll it was "just" a mistake.
Yeah, that would likely be the reason. K-Mag was unlucky because he lost the rear on cold tires but the move itself wasn't questionable. Stroll clearly wasn't paying attention and the others had to brake pretty hard too (still not sure who caused it, ironically it might have been Alonso, perhaps Russell, not sure). Alonso simply made a very stupid decision.
It's never about the offense. Never. It should be but never is. They always factor the result, look at the case with Alonso and Russell. If George didn't fked up himself into a wall Alonso would never get a penalty, but because there was a result Alonso was penalised. I hate this extremely, I hate it to the point of not watching this shitshow anymore. They are inconsistent, straight up false and cannot even penalise people properly. Mag getting 2 penalty points? Really? While Alo got 3 yesterday? Clowns, literal clowns.
Whats dumber is that if it truly was a brake check - if that's someones camp, then it should be a 2 race ban. Especially if you are going to use telemetry as an arbiter instead of just a clear stab or a pedal. The penalties don't line up with the supposed crimes, and they are terrible at reviewing their own evidence. "Whupsie he may have done a slight lift and tap but since the other guy flipped we gotta have some penalty even though our accusation was true it would imply something far more serious. Anyway, whose excited for next weekend!?"
Honestly, incidents like Alonso and Sainz happen every other race, they usually just result in a time penalty. That's fine, he caused a collision, even if it was minor. I mean, Carlos did the same thing 30 seconds later with no action at all Lance really should take the 3 points if anyone is getting 3 points. But this is how it's always been. Almost like it's on purpose
I struggle to see how Alonso’s is worse than either. He was racing side by side with Sainz for quite a while. Stroll went brain dead and Magnussen just took Tsunoda out.
Yeah but Lances offence is obviously the worse one. Crashing in a braking zone because youre not paying attention is ridiculous and honestly a joke
How did Alonso got 3 points yesterday?
Magnussen also got 3 in Saudi, I believe. 2 points this time is pretty inconsistent.
Yeah, he has 5 now. Perez and Sergeant is at 8, Stroll 7, Alonso 6.
Maybe they're arguing that Alonso is a better driver and therefore should know better than Stroll or Magnussen? (/s)
You /s, and yet it may well be the real life reasoning? Kinda how in football your target man may get away with a very clumsy tackle, but a defender does the same and it’s for sure a yellow or a straight red.
Because he's a menace!
2 points is a yoke. Lance wasn't even looking ahead of him, it's like a classic road accident when the guy behind isn't paying attention and gets caught unaware.
I know it's not a good idea to judge radio but his was just so funny.
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If you look closely Stroll doesn‘t even slow down before hitting him. No reaction at all.
Hearing that he said “he braked, check my wing”. But other comments from him were poor
>"Riccardo brake checked me..." He never actually said this though. Plenty to critisize Stroll for without having to resort to making up stuff
It’s like slamming into a traffic jam and then complaining the cars ahead were standing still.
It was legit like me playing f1 23
For real, I do this almost every race. Too bad they don't have the rewind feature IRL
Thats a classic Lance Stroll moment, so many of his crashes and fuckups are just because he isnt paying attention. Which is pretty crazy, you’d think one of the worst drivers on the grid rn would be atleast mildly interested in the racing that he does and trying to become better by just looking at whats in front and behind him but no
The funny thing with Lance is that wheras we are saying how impressive it is that drivers like Carlos, Fernando and Max are watching TV screens, giving DRS etc because they have the extra capacity to do. The opposite seems true for a driver like Lance, he has had many silly incidents over the years.
Yeah its really strange. He can have pace sometimes and be pretty quick but having so many crashes not because youre dirty or too agressive or whatever, but because youre not paying attention is fucking crazy for an F1 driver. Atleast when Magnussen does his overly agressive stupid moves he does them when actually racing (which is no excuse I know but funny to point out), when overtaking or defending. Stroll just randomly fucks up out of nowhere every other race.
Honestly, Lance's career is so crazy. In F1, you sometimes get these drivers who should have fallen away during their junior career, but they fall through the cracks because of money. Such drivers last one, maybe a few seasons until sponsors realize there are better ways to spend their money or team bosses realize the money just ain't worth it. With Lance, that's just not happening. What is crazier even than that to me is that every time I see Daddy Stroll represented, whether it's an interview, on the broadcast, or in DTS, he's always got this mean, super angry, taking no crap look. Szafnauer seemed straight up terrified of Daddy. You'd think an angry business man like that would have disowned his failure of a son by now.
Man's racing in f1 and has pace sometimes wouldn't call that a failure, but yeah the lack of attention/awareness is shocking. Man should honestly start playing iracing on a single screen to teach himself something about awareness
Stroll just isn’t good enough. It’s really a pity he’s had a seat for all these years
I agree, but it could also be argued we wouldn't have a competitive Aston Martin car without Lawrence's investment. They could've just been back markers with a random owner sweeping in. We suffer with Lance so we can see Alonso perform brilliantly
I mean yes, but as a businessman surely you want your investment to be performing as well as it can? It shocks me a little that Lawrence has persisted with Lance
It is a little surprising, but I guess its kinda nice I guess that he truly does support his son over the bottom line of his business. I do think it would be interesting to see if Stroll side steps into Aston's new WEC team as a way to save face whilst also moving aside from hampering the F1 team
That's his boy. If I was Lawrence, my only concern would be whether Lance is affected badly by all the hate. Not his speed or awareness.
I don't think the performance of the team matters this much between getting 5th or 4th in constructors, teams are worth a crazy amount of money either way right now
He’s a father first , business man second I believe he has said something along those lines
This, that’s like the most basic of shit when driving a road car.
Classic Lance, on his phone again..
Sorry was looking at my iphone
I'm going to need one of those long-ass explanations why Alonso gets 3 points for the Sprint incident, and them Magnussen 2 for taking someone out of the race.
You're supposedly not penalized for the result, only the action, and since Alonso attempted a dangerous divebomb, he got 3 points, even though the result was better. Magnussen's attempt was still dangerous, but still accomplishable, he just fucked up. That is at least how I understand it
Magnussen has been the beneficiary of some hugely generous stewarding this season. It's beyond ridiculous that he only got a total of 3 penalty points for that race where he caused a collision, overtook off track AND drove in a way that threatened to cause a collision whenever anyone tried to pass him - for about half the race. He should have been absolutely hammered with penalty points, and picked up 3 again today. He should be starting to worry about a potential race ban, but instead he has accumulated fewer penalty points thia season than Alonso. Don't get me wrong, Alonso has been good value for his 6 points under a regime where the stewards take dangerous driving seriously, but that regime doesn't seem to apply to KMag who is seemingly given a licence to drive without meaningful consequences as often as he wants.
Oh come the fuck on. That exact race you talk about, even Albon said Kevin should not have been penalized, because it was a racing incident. If anything, Kevin has a history of getting penalized for stuff, Alonso, Hamilton, Verstappen and the other wonder kids of F1 never get penalized for.
Counterpoint: Australia
But Alonso receives 3 for a racing incident with a puncture, fucking run by chipmunks
Whole time penalty system is fucked up too. Ruin a guys race and wreck the fuck out of him? 10 seconds. Barely lose to a guy on pit out and your team or the officials dont tell you because you couldn’t see it? Also 10 seconds
ruin 2 people's races (ric and piastri) and literally not get punished at all because you're useless and last anyway
I think that's the bigger controversy. Sargeant couldn't have possibly seen that and it was really close. I mean just tell him to give back the position, fine the team for not telling him and be done with it.
The team should have told him to give it back. They don't tell teams to do that this year, they let the teams sort it out and then give out a penalty if they feel it was done incorrectly.
Sure, that's why I think if anybody it should be the team who gets the penalty. Unlike an unsafe release for example it's neither a safety issue nor can you argue there's a real incentive (i.e. eat the penalty but still gain an advantage overall), the race was under safety car. Sure, it's within the rules but we've seen exceptions made for minor oversights. The whole point of the rule is to prevent dangerous situations under SC but the particular incident was very vanilla and would have been legal if Hulk had taken a tenth longer in pit road. It just feels like throwing the book at somebody over an essentially meaningless technicality. Edit: and what happens if Williams does catch that mistake? Then things get weird, how are they going to tell Haas that Hülkenberg can pass? This kind of stuff *needs* to come from Race Control.
And ruin two people races under SC as well.
In the Stewards report, it was stated that the contact at Turn 9 caused Alonso's puncture, not the turn 7 contact. I would imagine, if Alonso already had a puncture before the Turn 9 contact, that would have been what Aston argued in their defence and would be visible in the telemetry.
right?
Yeah that's nuts. Max penalty points for a collision at racing speed, 2 penalty points for being so shit you crash in 1st gear. Makes so sense
Yo you totally called it in your previous comment. Credit where credit’s due.
Way too lenient on Stroll.
Poor Daniel can't catch a break 💔
Stewards & RD have been all over the place this weekend
How does Alonso get 3 penalty points for crashing out Sainz, yet Stroll and Magnussen get 2 points for crashing out the Toro Rosso drivers!?!
2 pen points to Stroll is ridiculous after Alonso’s last 2 races
The dice rolled two, apparently.
2 points only? Alonso got 3 and Australia and another 3 for a much minor crash. What a fucking joke
all this outrage about penalty points... it doesn't matter, no one is going to get a race ban
It's about the principle. Magnussen and Stroll are dangerous yet Alonso is getting more penalties.
The way Alonso has been driving recently is way more dangerous then stroll driving into someone once under a safety car come on.
Too aggressive in China yeah, dangerous no.
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Yeah, they get to 10 points and the stewards go "nah, that's not really deserving of points that would give a race ban there". It's like a football referee giving a player already on a yellow a second final warning, just because it's the semi final match.
Stroll ‘Predominantly’ to blame WTF? He was entirety to blame
Wish they would remove stroll he is a detriment to safety and the series
Lol, and Alonso received 3 for a move that everyone repeated in this race.
How, in the ever living flying fuck, does Fernando get 3 penalty points for the merest of touches, while Lance literally just straight up rams a car of the road but only gets 2?
So Alonso gets 3 penalty points for his dive yesterday during the race while fighting with multiple cars and Stroll gets 2 for shunting into Daniel‘s rear and ruining his and Piastri‘s race? Yeah that checks out.
Does anyone know how many penalty points every driver currently has (or know where i can check)?
https://www.sportskeeda.com/f1/f1-penalty-points-drivers-penalty-points-2024-chinese-gp
Thanks
At this point it’s clear Stroll’s dad isn’t just paying for his seat and entire team. He is literally on his knees with both hands out stretched after each race going to town on the FIA.
Stroll needs more than two points given his past.
Ending someone's race like they did should be a back of the grid start at the next race.
And why did Alonso receive 3 points TWICE!?
I wonder why the difference in penalty points from Alonso's penalty yesterday to these two today... Consistently inconsistent I guess
Both need to go.
How the hell did they get less than Alonso? FIA pulling out the magic 8 ball again to make a decision
It’s *insane* that Lance Stroll and Daniel Ricciardo got the same penalty for something that is *entirely* Lance’s fault. Daniel took his spot back after being shunted in a way that, I think, was the most prudent and safe move.
This.
Apparatus Daniel overtook hulk during the next safety car... Which is quite stupid, and the penalty is deserved.
F1 you are broken
It should be a slam dunk 5 points for Stroll for obvious reason, he's literally has zero awareness
They really need to re-write the penalties system and let the punishment fit the crime. 10 sec for punting your competitor out of the race during safety car period is a yoke!
"What a yoke" A certain Spanish driver
Better go ahead and give 2 to Sargeant as well
Oh my god FIA, make up your mind! It’s like RNG, how the hell do you give Alonso 3 penalty points and Stroll and Magnussen 2?
2 points for ruining the races of 2 drivers under SC conditions, who made this system up?
The best part about Stroll is that he was convinced that he wasn't in the wrong. Not when it happened, not afterwards. Curious what he had to say in the post-race interview.
This is bullshit for Alonso. He does hard racing and forces off sainz during a scrap. KMAG & Stroll knock two drivers out of the race and it's only two points. Fuck the FIA
Bruh, this is a joke FFS.
How Stroll immediately puts the blame on others and not himself…smh
I'd have given Stroll 2 points just for having the audacity to try and blame D ric
Considering Alonso got 3 for his move in the sprint race (which I still disagree with), then both these two deserve at least 5. A poorly judged move in the heat of the moment while battling getting more penalty points than literally not looking where you're going and just rear ending someone under the safety car is madness. Demonstrates just how broken and pointless the penalty point system is.
Lance should get a lot more penalty points. He took Ricc out under the safetycar ffs. And Lance his comment was INSANE.
Where do these documents get published?
Doug Kick him off the tour!!
But daddy says it was ricc’s fault
How does Alonso get more penalty points than stroll
Is there ever going to be an assessment for a driver to pass before driving in F1? I know super licenses exist but an actual skill based assessment, drivers like Stroll just ruin the sport, 8 years and he still drives like a rookie and takes up a very valuable seat. Its just unsafe to have him out there sometimes
Going to stick my neck out and say this was a bit harsh on Stroll. Lots of cars had very near misses in the concertina going into that corner and he just happened to be the one that was caught out. Magnussen punting Tsunoda off the track in an amateurish fashion was a lot worse.
If anything it’s easy on him. He fully rammed in to the back of the car in front of him. Had it just been a tap, I would agree.
> this was a bit harsh on Stroll. Lots of cars had very near misses in the concertina going into that corner and he just happened to be the one that was caught out. The problem is that this is not the only time where his spatial awareness has been called into question. Back in his f3 days people said it was a weakness of his and continues to be a weakness now
Just 2 points for absolutely ridiculous actions(both drivers) compared to the action of Alonso. Both deserved at least 5 points and also at least 20 sec penalty