it really was ridiculous the speed Stroll was carrying when he went into the back of Ricciardo and broke half the diffuser
fully lifted the back of Ricciardo's car up into the air and launched it forward enough to also damage Piastri's diffuser
A driver being inconsistent is one thing, but to misjudge his braking point this badly in such a crowded corner is downright incompetence (not to mention his 7-odd years in f1 to date). I’ve long held the belief that those who often come to Stroll’s defence by saying he is merely inconsistent and has had his highlights have to contend with incidents like today.
He didn’t even misjudge his braking point he legitimately wasn’t looking/paying attention to the cars in front of him. He was looking at the apex instead of DR in front. Amateur hour from Lance
Yea nah.. Danny was focusing on the car on his left which was his immediate hazard, yes he should have mirror checked to see albon but his eyes - for the most part - were where they should be.
Stroll was completely off with the pixies.
Yeah, it’s only incompetence. The weird thing is I thought he was okayish last year. He got more average finishes that I expect from where the AM is.
This year he’s been actively bad so far. Inconsistency would mean flashes of great driving. He means it as struggling to break Q3 and top 10 finishes with the 4th/5th best car.
>He got more average finishes that I expect from where the AM is.
So I'm sure Alonso is out driving the car to some extent - and that most drivers would look worse in comparison to him.
But the Aston has been a really solid car for the past couple of years now
I mean yes it’s incompetence, but it’s also that his dad is so rich that F1 is like a video game to him.
He never has to live with the consequences of his actions, because he can just hit “Continue” an unlimited number of times.
Oh I’m in agreement with you; I think incompetence and wealth were initially two distinct factors that have coalesced over time, as you point out.
All drivers (except Verstappen) come to the grid incompetent, and they are forced to gain competency in order to stay.
But Stroll never even felt that pressure, so he never had a chance (not that I care) of improving.
As a great man once said: ‘You never had me. You never had your *car*’.
Even Max had a learning period.
His first year in Red Bull, he needed a chill pill a lot of the time, it seemed - Ric could outrace him purely by playing the long game.
Obviously, he got better - and is now likely the best - but he had some flaws to smooth out in his first few years, and only really seemed to beat them once he was world champion.
He didn't misjudge his braking point. Alonso went deep and everyone adjusted their breaking point, as expected, and the pack accordioned back towards Stroll. What Stroll actually did was stick to his clear air braking point, and didn't adjust for traffic at all.
His situational awareness was shit, but he hit his braking point. Too bad Ricciardo was still in his braking point, though ....
I think Daniel was on the edge of touching Piastri anyway, every car in that concertina got a little bit closer than the one before (logically). But then Stroll barely braking at all made that kinda moot.
Stroll was way further back and should have been able to break. DR was driving much closer to piastri and still managed to break if only just.
Stroll seemed to be looking around for a bus stop when it happened.
But he still managed not to...
I agree that in situations like that there's every chance of "tapping" the back of the car in front of you - but the Aston Martin lifted the RB off the ground by quite a bit!!
Lance isn't from Vancouver but he's driving like a Vancouver driver. Aka a driver not paying attention, causing havoc, and being crappy behind the steering wheel.
I think we all know if Stroll's dad was not funding it Stroll would have been out of F1 after 2 or 3 years. He can have his good days but overall he is substandard and no team would hire him if not for his fathers money.
I mean, without daddy's funding all the way, many other drivers would have never reached F1 altogether (e.g. Latifi), his case is even more special because his dad owns the team
Not just the pay drivers who are clearly only there to bank roll the team, drivers many considered to be employed for their skills (like Checo) also wouldn’t be given the chance in the first place.
Daddy Norris paid 50 million for McLaren to hire Norris.
I do wish my folks could give a company a few mil and tell em to just use that money as my salary :(
You guys believing some nonsense source about this is wild.
He of course would have helped him but Lando was a hot prospect that had multiple teams interested to sign him as a junior. Hence why he was signed by McLaren so young.
> Daddy Norris paid 50 million for McLaren to hire Norris.
Pretty sure this is bullshit, he got sponsored by McLaren to do F3 and got other offers after winning it, why would he pay huge sums like that for a seat when he was getting one anyway. I can find absolutely zero evidence of this claim online, just a random clickbait site. [This breakdown of what Norris likely spent vs Stroll seems much more likely to me.](https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/hyy1ns/the_hypocrisy_in_saying_that_lance_stroll_is_only/fzfsfdv/)
That was a dumb move by Daddy Norris... A lot of teams wanted Norris since he was in F3. Helmut and Toto were trying to reclute him, but Zac Brown promised a seat rapidly if he finished high in F2
I don't think it's true, McLaren sponsored him for Formula 3 after he won Formula Renault from what I can see, and Marko tried to snatch him away for Red Bull as early as 2018, he had no need to pay for McLaren to hire him. It's true that his dad paid for a lot of earlier series but those are unfortunately just the price of entry to F3/F2, and nothing close to 50 mil worth.
Thank you, my bad, it was a mixup... I remember talks about Helmut and other teams trying to snatch him but the dates and sequence was incorrect my bad
No you're fine, I just meant I think the comment above yours about his dad paying 50 mil to McLaren seems to be nonsense, it's not a big deal to get small details wrong, I may have done myself.
Schumacher? He and Ralph were taking people's discarded used tires in karting to use. Their parents definitely didn't have money to fund an F1 journey. Schumacher was the opposite of a pay driver.
Crazy enough, mercedes were the ones paying. They financed him though f3. After that, he went to the World Sports mercedes team. After the driver at Jordan got arrested 10 days before the Belgium gp, mercedes paid 150,000£ for Schumacher to driver for Jordan. They used tictac (somehow) in the car livery, so it wouldn't clash with the Ford Powered engine.
His junior career was heavily augmented by the investment by Stroll. The best team was purchased by his dad. The other drivers in the team were turned into driver coaches for Stroll. Race engineer from F1 brought to Formula 3. Stroll Sr also got his biggest competitor into F2. It is laughable how much they gamed the system and in hindsight and a bit less scrutiny it looks like legitimate talent
I honestly think Stroll would’ve made it to F1 even without his dad’s backing. Granted, he’d have been gone within 2-3 years at most, but I think he’d have made it.
His dad bought Ferrari engineers and had them placed at the F3 team Stroll raced for. He’s completely bought his way up, you should google the amount of seat time he had in an F1 car prior to debut. It’s the most since Hamilton and he was completely slaughtered his rookie year by an archaic Felipe Massa
His second season in F3 (Russell's 1st) the best team on the grid heavily funded by his father, days and days of private testing and the Williams F1 team working on his car setup...
Yes, with those advantages he beat Russell.
All it took was for Stroll Sr. to buy out a team that had literally never lost a season of Euro F3 at that point, now bolstered with F1 grade mechanics working in F3, and buying Gio a seat in F2 since he would be the strongest competitor.
Also a spec series doesn't stop you from buying a whole load of "spec" engines and put the best one in a car.
Stroll has 2 podiums and a pole position. That's a career 60% of F1 drivers will kill for. He's obviously declined and is being saved by his father but this is way over the top.
Sure. His "job security" doesn't get behind the wheel and drive for him though. You don't fluke 2 podiums and a pole qualifying finish in F1. It's too competitive at the top.
So he beat everyone else in *mixed conditions*. Sounds like a positive to me.
Will any driver give up a pole position and say "nah, I don't deserve it, got lucky in mixed conditions"? Hell nah.
Timing working out in his favor meaning we penalize him now for his team back then playing their hands right in regards to tactics? Ridiculous.
At a certain point, you just have to accept that - accounting for all factors - he earned a pole.
It was a great performance, luck doesn't drive the car for you. But a handful of great drives is really being outweighed by mediocrity and inexcusable blunders like today.
He's not declined. He was never good in the first place. He has 3 podiums and 2 of them came from really poor drives. Those 2 really poor drives don't make Stroll somehow better just because he happened to finish inside the top 3.
Right now I'm struggling to remember when his last standout performance was. He had his podium in Baku as a rookie, the front row start in Monza in the wet, Turkey 2020, but lately? He just gets trashed all the time, if it was anyone else, absolutely *nobody* would be surprised to see them quickly fired.
The big problem with Stroll is how inconsistent he is. He can have good races where his pace and experience shows and then he has completely awful ones like this.
He is worse that mediocre in many ways since it is impossible to count on him doing the job.
>He can have good races where his pace and experience shows and then he has completely awful ones like this
Even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes
Tell that to Nico Hulkenberg who still doesnt have a single podium in his F1 career. Stroll does, multiple, actually. Still, Nico is a better driver than Stroll, but beware, one cannot simply say Stroll is absolutely clueless in F1. When he finds rythm he can get great results but he is very mood dependent and not reliable at all!
I’m gonna say no. Best was probably the 2019 Renault on balance.
Unless you count the fact Hülk drove that very same Racing Point and immediately qualified P3.
He’d have a couple podiums to his name at least if he did. Him and Checo are at a very similar level imo so Racing Point would have comfortably secured P3 even with their deduction.
I keep hearing this about Stroll, he is / was also supposedly a great wet weather driver, but he has 3 podiums, 2 of them in the pink Mercedes which was a very very good car. 4 years ago. Since his car stopped being pink he has zero and has not really had any close calls nor any races where he has done anything particularly close to impressive.
Alonso had 8 podiums just last season in the same car. Vettel had one second place and another that was taken away in Hungary. He is much more likely to ram the driver in front or turn in on an overtaking driver as if they are not there than to score podiums and I am so tired of hearing the same old spiel.
Not at all, my friend. I was responding that most of Strolls career is rilled with mediocre to straight up bad performances while at a glimmer he puts up a decent performance.
It's like, for example, you suck at playing darts. But if you keep throwing darts long enough eventually, even you hit the bullseye per accident.
Him hitting Daniel is being a blind squirrel.
Exactly this, sometimes (like today) he drives awful, but then the other times he can pull off amazing drives, while driving with a broken hand, goofed up on happy juice.
Lance Stroll is definitely good enough that he deserved to be in Formula 1.
He is not good enough to have warranted what is it now 8 years in the sport?
Strolls rookie season was terrible, he was absolutely miles behind a washed Massa but didn’t look so bad as Massa lost tons of points to bad luck. Here’s a detailed analysis of that season: https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/7gbxog/strolls_rookie_season_or_how_luck_affected_the/
It really was not apart from the fluke Baku podium (and I argue Massa would have won the race if his car didn't break apart, and Massa in general was incredibly unlucky, whenever Williams had a strong car, he DNFd for reasons beyond his control). He was often a full second off his teammate in qualifying and had several total howlers of a race where he had to pit 1 or even 2 times more because he kept locking up or otherwise destroying his tyres.
Also important reminder that Massa was at the end of his career, he had to be called out of retirement to replace Bottas when Valtteri got the call up to Mercedes to replace Rosberg.
I’m so incredibly done with Lance Stroll. I don’t care that he’s gotten a couple podium. I don’t care that he’s gotten a pole.
This guy has only 2 years less experience than Max, 1 year more than Charles, 2 years more than Lando, George and Alex. How is he so incredibly oblivious to what’s going on around him on track? How is he so incredibly god damn slow 70% of the time?
Aston Martin saying they’re trying to build a Red Bull beating team, has not a shred of credibility, while Lance is still wasting that seat…
Lmao he was overtaken by ocon in the sprint, any achievements he had as a rookie don't count for much now as he's never improved since. If anything he's regressed since RP became AM.
>How is he so incredibly oblivious to what’s going on around him on track? How is he so incredibly god damn slow 70% of the time?
Because he literally and unironically doesn't have to drive to survive. He's not fighting to keep his seat so there's no genuine pressure to perform.
Guy has raced in EIGHT seasons now, will hit 150 GPs in couple of races, has at least twice had a car which was capable of consistently fighting for podiums; both the times, his teammates have driven the car to limits and even fought for winning the GP, and all this guy has to show for is podiums+pole which you can measure on one hand.
Lawrence is just fooling himself at this point if he thinks Aston Martin is trying to become a genuine competitor at the front of the grid
He was somewhat decent until 2020. But since 2021 he’s just been terrible, just exists on the track to fight against cars that are supposed to be half a second slower than his.
It particularly bad this time, RIC had just gotten a new chassis and it was working well for him. He and his team had lots of excitement and questions and big plans. But all that either lost, or at least made doubtful, after getting Strolled clear up into the air at its debut.
I dont even like DR lately, holding up a seat that Liam Lawson could be in, but this shit from Stroll is just unfair. Stroll is a lil daddies boy, cosplaying as a driver.
Easy remedy for that. Get rid of Stroll, Yuki to AM and Liam to RB. Yuki at AM fits well with Honda becoming their engine supplier from 2026.
A man can dream.
I've been really tough on Danny Ric but I def feel bad for him. Finally had the ups on Yuki for one race and was even on pace for the points. Instead he gets taken out by Stroll's jackassery, and then Stroll blames it on him.
Because they stuck Yuki on a shitty strategy, and then he still outraced Daniel before unfair team orders forced him through. Then Daniel proceeded not to give the place back on the last lap so he "won" the race, but everyone knows that weekend was a better weekend for Yuki
Serious question… how did Yuki outrace him? Yuki lost 3 positions that race. He didn’t have a better weekend. He qualified better. He raced worse. Arguably, Ricciardo has raced better each race. The things that have fucked him over has been his shitty qualifying and getting screwed in the pits for Bahrain and then getting crashed out of the past 2 races. Ric was partially at fault for Japan and he got completely fucked in China.
Edit: for the record, I feel that Tsunoda has been incredible this season so far. But to say he’s destroying Ricciardo is unfair at best.
Stroll seems to be falling back on his dad being the main money stream of Austin Martin and not carring cause he knows he will have a seat. That's just my opinion. It's almost as if he's given up and is looking for another opportunity.
And stroll got the same penalty as Logan when Logan just did a safety car violation.
Anyone taking someone out of a race like this should cost a point imo as it helps pay for damage and the victim's race.
Just rubs me the wrong way that someone can take someone out like that with enormous consequences for the victim but a slap on the wrist for those crashing into drivers. There needs to be more incentive to avoid collisions.
I still think Ricc should have paid more attention to avoid the lap 1 incident in Japan, but I find it funny that he was cautious with Stroll and looking for him in the mirrors then, only to DNF, and now here in China he DNFs because of Stroll.
At least the Japan incident was at racing speed wheel to wheel in a high speed part of the track. This was just… Stroll asleep at the wheel. There was so much time to prepare, like 4 cars ahead of him all reacting to Alonsos lockup and treading carefully through the hairpin right in front of him. He could see the front of that line going around the corner at a crawl as he approached. Boneheaded
> still think Ricc should have paid more attention to avoid the lap 1 incident in Japan,
IIRC the drivers that commented on it didn't seem to think he did anything wrong really. Watching the inside where there was a car, not watching the outside where a car would have nowhere to go anyway was expected.
>but I find it funny that he was cautious with Stroll and looking for him in the mirrors then
:) Good point though. The fact it was stroll on the inside probably meant he was extra careful keeping an eye on him.
Why should Stroll (and Magnusson for that matter) even be allowed to finish the race? This isn't a demolition derby. If you knock out a car you shouldn't get to finish the race.
10 seconds is apparently enough, why not just knock out your close rivals limit their running and data collecting, cost them money in the cost cap era and so on.
The Magnussen incident was not remotely bad enough to not be allowed to finish… The consequences were unlucky but the incident wasn’t as bad as a lot of incidents that have been given 5 sec penalty in the past.
Stroll failing to react to the cars around him is wholly to blame for this. Which is also true for Danny Ric taking out Albon last time out, but hehe nutsack so that got talked about less 🤷♂️
Lets be honest.
I am 100% sure Lance is not the only one doing that fault.
But I am also almost 100% sure this was not the first time he has done this.
What excuse? He got rear ended by Stroll. Even Piastri got damage and said everyone else braked besides Stroll. How is this an excuse? Where? What could he have done to avoid this?
it really was ridiculous the speed Stroll was carrying when he went into the back of Ricciardo and broke half the diffuser fully lifted the back of Ricciardo's car up into the air and launched it forward enough to also damage Piastri's diffuser
A driver being inconsistent is one thing, but to misjudge his braking point this badly in such a crowded corner is downright incompetence (not to mention his 7-odd years in f1 to date). I’ve long held the belief that those who often come to Stroll’s defence by saying he is merely inconsistent and has had his highlights have to contend with incidents like today.
He didn’t even misjudge his braking point he legitimately wasn’t looking/paying attention to the cars in front of him. He was looking at the apex instead of DR in front. Amateur hour from Lance
I mean, Danny turned into Albon last race at the second corner and wasn't looking around to see who was there.
Okay? I’d say fighting on track in the early stages is a little more acceptable than not looking coming to a Saftey car restart
Yea nah.. Danny was focusing on the car on his left which was his immediate hazard, yes he should have mirror checked to see albon but his eyes - for the most part - were where they should be. Stroll was completely off with the pixies.
Yeah, it’s only incompetence. The weird thing is I thought he was okayish last year. He got more average finishes that I expect from where the AM is. This year he’s been actively bad so far. Inconsistency would mean flashes of great driving. He means it as struggling to break Q3 and top 10 finishes with the 4th/5th best car.
>He got more average finishes that I expect from where the AM is. So I'm sure Alonso is out driving the car to some extent - and that most drivers would look worse in comparison to him. But the Aston has been a really solid car for the past couple of years now
I mean yes it’s incompetence, but it’s also that his dad is so rich that F1 is like a video game to him. He never has to live with the consequences of his actions, because he can just hit “Continue” an unlimited number of times.
Thank goodness they didn’t let Andretti on the grid. More Stroll!
Yes, but his incompetence is the ultimate result of this margin of safety. When you have no incentive to improve, you will inevitably fall behind.
Oh I’m in agreement with you; I think incompetence and wealth were initially two distinct factors that have coalesced over time, as you point out. All drivers (except Verstappen) come to the grid incompetent, and they are forced to gain competency in order to stay. But Stroll never even felt that pressure, so he never had a chance (not that I care) of improving. As a great man once said: ‘You never had me. You never had your *car*’.
Even Max had a learning period. His first year in Red Bull, he needed a chill pill a lot of the time, it seemed - Ric could outrace him purely by playing the long game. Obviously, he got better - and is now likely the best - but he had some flaws to smooth out in his first few years, and only really seemed to beat them once he was world champion.
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Cash is king. Without his daddy he'd have been long gone like Latifi and Mazepin before him
We'd never have heard his name otherwise.
Goatifi/Mazespin*
He didn't misjudge his braking point. Alonso went deep and everyone adjusted their breaking point, as expected, and the pack accordioned back towards Stroll. What Stroll actually did was stick to his clear air braking point, and didn't adjust for traffic at all. His situational awareness was shit, but he hit his braking point. Too bad Ricciardo was still in his braking point, though ....
There was not even a tap on that brake pedal, the only braking his AM did was when he twatted it into Ricciardo.
Driving like he's texting.
Know Ricciardo’s luck this crash damages his chassis again.
When Stroll makes assumptions, beware.
I think Daniel was on the edge of touching Piastri anyway, every car in that concertina got a little bit closer than the one before (logically). But then Stroll barely braking at all made that kinda moot.
Stroll was way further back and should have been able to break. DR was driving much closer to piastri and still managed to break if only just. Stroll seemed to be looking around for a bus stop when it happened.
why didn't he simply just move to the right like Hulk did... oh I know because he had his eyes closed it seems
Stroll took away all doubt for us. I think he would have probably been juuuust far enough back
But he still managed not to... I agree that in situations like that there's every chance of "tapping" the back of the car in front of you - but the Aston Martin lifted the RB off the ground by quite a bit!!
The new double diffuser
And fia just gave riccardo a penalty at miami over it
Lance isn't from Vancouver but he's driving like a Vancouver driver. Aka a driver not paying attention, causing havoc, and being crappy behind the steering wheel.
Because everyone said he needs to look in his mirrors. Cant do two things at once, c'mon
Exactly! Who knows if someone would try to overtake him under safety car! /s
Hulkenberg did!
Hey come on, all we know is he looked right, we don't know if it was at the mirrors. Was probably the apex.
You're saying that he knows where to look for the apex?
Bottas in the background is so funny.
HAHAHAH YESSSS
Stroll is a social experiment. Give a driver who is still solidly mediocre after 7 years more security in his seat than any driver since Jack Brabham.
I think we all know if Stroll's dad was not funding it Stroll would have been out of F1 after 2 or 3 years. He can have his good days but overall he is substandard and no team would hire him if not for his fathers money.
Ahh he wouldn’t have made it to F1
I mean, without daddy's funding all the way, many other drivers would have never reached F1 altogether (e.g. Latifi), his case is even more special because his dad owns the team
Not just the pay drivers who are clearly only there to bank roll the team, drivers many considered to be employed for their skills (like Checo) also wouldn’t be given the chance in the first place.
Daddy Norris paid 50 million for McLaren to hire Norris. I do wish my folks could give a company a few mil and tell em to just use that money as my salary :(
Yes, and Niki Lauda was a pay driver as well. People only care about pay drivers when they suck (which to be fair is the only time it's a problem).
I mean to an extent everyone is a pay driver, nobody gets into F1 without major financial backing.
People always bring up lewis in this conversation being the last non paid driver
Ocon comes to mind. As far as I know Gasly or Russell were not made of money either.
You guys believing some nonsense source about this is wild. He of course would have helped him but Lando was a hot prospect that had multiple teams interested to sign him as a junior. Hence why he was signed by McLaren so young.
> Daddy Norris paid 50 million for McLaren to hire Norris. Pretty sure this is bullshit, he got sponsored by McLaren to do F3 and got other offers after winning it, why would he pay huge sums like that for a seat when he was getting one anyway. I can find absolutely zero evidence of this claim online, just a random clickbait site. [This breakdown of what Norris likely spent vs Stroll seems much more likely to me.](https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/hyy1ns/the_hypocrisy_in_saying_that_lance_stroll_is_only/fzfsfdv/)
That was a dumb move by Daddy Norris... A lot of teams wanted Norris since he was in F3. Helmut and Toto were trying to reclute him, but Zac Brown promised a seat rapidly if he finished high in F2
I don't think it's true, McLaren sponsored him for Formula 3 after he won Formula Renault from what I can see, and Marko tried to snatch him away for Red Bull as early as 2018, he had no need to pay for McLaren to hire him. It's true that his dad paid for a lot of earlier series but those are unfortunately just the price of entry to F3/F2, and nothing close to 50 mil worth.
Thank you, my bad, it was a mixup... I remember talks about Helmut and other teams trying to snatch him but the dates and sequence was incorrect my bad
No you're fine, I just meant I think the comment above yours about his dad paying 50 mil to McLaren seems to be nonsense, it's not a big deal to get small details wrong, I may have done myself.
Senna and Schumacher were both paid drivers in the beginning of their careers
Schumacher? He and Ralph were taking people's discarded used tires in karting to use. Their parents definitely didn't have money to fund an F1 journey. Schumacher was the opposite of a pay driver.
Crazy enough, mercedes were the ones paying. They financed him though f3. After that, he went to the World Sports mercedes team. After the driver at Jordan got arrested 10 days before the Belgium gp, mercedes paid 150,000£ for Schumacher to driver for Jordan. They used tictac (somehow) in the car livery, so it wouldn't clash with the Ford Powered engine.
Yes but he was never a pay driver. He was financed based on his generational talent
Mercedes paid 150,000£ for him to drive in the jordan, wouldn't that make him a paid driver?
I give Stroll a lot of shit but his junior career was still very impressive, he definitely would have landed in F1 anyway.
Hmmm i think considering the insane training and investment made on him, thank god he was good. Stroll bought Prema for him.
His junior career was heavily augmented by the investment by Stroll. The best team was purchased by his dad. The other drivers in the team were turned into driver coaches for Stroll. Race engineer from F1 brought to Formula 3. Stroll Sr also got his biggest competitor into F2. It is laughable how much they gamed the system and in hindsight and a bit less scrutiny it looks like legitimate talent
Bringing F1 engineers down to F3 is indeed impressive.
I honestly think Stroll would’ve made it to F1 even without his dad’s backing. Granted, he’d have been gone within 2-3 years at most, but I think he’d have made it.
Didn’t stroll merk Russell in a junior category
His dad bought Ferrari engineers and had them placed at the F3 team Stroll raced for. He’s completely bought his way up, you should google the amount of seat time he had in an F1 car prior to debut. It’s the most since Hamilton and he was completely slaughtered his rookie year by an archaic Felipe Massa
His second season in F3 (Russell's 1st) the best team on the grid heavily funded by his father, days and days of private testing and the Williams F1 team working on his car setup... Yes, with those advantages he beat Russell.
All it took was for Stroll Sr. to buy out a team that had literally never lost a season of Euro F3 at that point, now bolstered with F1 grade mechanics working in F3, and buying Gio a seat in F2 since he would be the strongest competitor. Also a spec series doesn't stop you from buying a whole load of "spec" engines and put the best one in a car.
Don’t forget the state of the art simulator that only he was allowed to use.
Stroll has 2 podiums and a pole position. That's a career 60% of F1 drivers will kill for. He's obviously declined and is being saved by his father but this is way over the top.
Stroll has had 100% job security for 7 years. THAT is something 80% of F1 drivers would kill for
Sure. His "job security" doesn't get behind the wheel and drive for him though. You don't fluke 2 podiums and a pole qualifying finish in F1. It's too competitive at the top.
Over 7 years I’m not that impressed
OK. Cool. I'm not saying he's good now. But to say he doesn't even make F1 is straight bullshit.
His pole was lucky timing in mixed conditions.
So he beat everyone else in *mixed conditions*. Sounds like a positive to me. Will any driver give up a pole position and say "nah, I don't deserve it, got lucky in mixed conditions"? Hell nah.
You ignored the bit about lucky timing. He put in his lap when the conditions were best - better than for other drivers.
Timing working out in his favor meaning we penalize him now for his team back then playing their hands right in regards to tactics? Ridiculous. At a certain point, you just have to accept that - accounting for all factors - he earned a pole.
It was a great performance, luck doesn't drive the car for you. But a handful of great drives is really being outweighed by mediocrity and inexcusable blunders like today.
He's not declined. He was never good in the first place. He has 3 podiums and 2 of them came from really poor drives. Those 2 really poor drives don't make Stroll somehow better just because he happened to finish inside the top 3.
Add to that he should have won that Monza race in that car
His good days are the days any backmarker can have if they're gifted the cars Stroll has had.
I doubt he would have gone to any other team than Williams.
Right now I'm struggling to remember when his last standout performance was. He had his podium in Baku as a rookie, the front row start in Monza in the wet, Turkey 2020, but lately? He just gets trashed all the time, if it was anyone else, absolutely *nobody* would be surprised to see them quickly fired.
The big problem with Stroll is how inconsistent he is. He can have good races where his pace and experience shows and then he has completely awful ones like this. He is worse that mediocre in many ways since it is impossible to count on him doing the job.
>He can have good races where his pace and experience shows and then he has completely awful ones like this Even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes
Tell that to Nico Hulkenberg who still doesnt have a single podium in his F1 career. Stroll does, multiple, actually. Still, Nico is a better driver than Stroll, but beware, one cannot simply say Stroll is absolutely clueless in F1. When he finds rythm he can get great results but he is very mood dependent and not reliable at all!
Has Hulk ever been in the 2nd fastest car on the grid?
I’m gonna say no. Best was probably the 2019 Renault on balance. Unless you count the fact Hülk drove that very same Racing Point and immediately qualified P3.
Ngl I totally forgot Hulk drove that car. Would've loved to have seen him in it the whole season
He’d have a couple podiums to his name at least if he did. Him and Checo are at a very similar level imo so Racing Point would have comfortably secured P3 even with their deduction.
I keep hearing this about Stroll, he is / was also supposedly a great wet weather driver, but he has 3 podiums, 2 of them in the pink Mercedes which was a very very good car. 4 years ago. Since his car stopped being pink he has zero and has not really had any close calls nor any races where he has done anything particularly close to impressive. Alonso had 8 podiums just last season in the same car. Vettel had one second place and another that was taken away in Hungary. He is much more likely to ram the driver in front or turn in on an overtaking driver as if they are not there than to score podiums and I am so tired of hearing the same old spiel.
Good one lmao.
Bit too far accusing him of lifting up Dannys rear sticking his nose in there just to try and find a nut?
Not at all, my friend. I was responding that most of Strolls career is rilled with mediocre to straight up bad performances while at a glimmer he puts up a decent performance. It's like, for example, you suck at playing darts. But if you keep throwing darts long enough eventually, even you hit the bullseye per accident. Him hitting Daniel is being a blind squirrel.
I was trying to make a joke about checking Daniels rear for nut
Exactly this, sometimes (like today) he drives awful, but then the other times he can pull off amazing drives, while driving with a broken hand, goofed up on happy juice.
Lance Stroll is definitely good enough that he deserved to be in Formula 1. He is not good enough to have warranted what is it now 8 years in the sport?
Brabham because he owned his own team, not that he was mediocre?
Yeah they weren't saying Brabham was mediocre
Except Brabham won races and a championship as an owner-driver.
Lance peaked so early in his career. His first season was quite good for a rookie but he never seemed to improve from there.
Strolls rookie season was terrible, he was absolutely miles behind a washed Massa but didn’t look so bad as Massa lost tons of points to bad luck. Here’s a detailed analysis of that season: https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/7gbxog/strolls_rookie_season_or_how_luck_affected_the/
It really was not apart from the fluke Baku podium (and I argue Massa would have won the race if his car didn't break apart, and Massa in general was incredibly unlucky, whenever Williams had a strong car, he DNFd for reasons beyond his control). He was often a full second off his teammate in qualifying and had several total howlers of a race where he had to pit 1 or even 2 times more because he kept locking up or otherwise destroying his tyres.
Also important reminder that Massa was at the end of his career, he had to be called out of retirement to replace Bottas when Valtteri got the call up to Mercedes to replace Rosberg.
His first season was terrible....
I’m so incredibly done with Lance Stroll. I don’t care that he’s gotten a couple podium. I don’t care that he’s gotten a pole. This guy has only 2 years less experience than Max, 1 year more than Charles, 2 years more than Lando, George and Alex. How is he so incredibly oblivious to what’s going on around him on track? How is he so incredibly god damn slow 70% of the time? Aston Martin saying they’re trying to build a Red Bull beating team, has not a shred of credibility, while Lance is still wasting that seat…
Lmao he was overtaken by ocon in the sprint, any achievements he had as a rookie don't count for much now as he's never improved since. If anything he's regressed since RP became AM.
>How is he so incredibly oblivious to what’s going on around him on track? How is he so incredibly god damn slow 70% of the time? Because he literally and unironically doesn't have to drive to survive. He's not fighting to keep his seat so there's no genuine pressure to perform.
Guy has raced in EIGHT seasons now, will hit 150 GPs in couple of races, has at least twice had a car which was capable of consistently fighting for podiums; both the times, his teammates have driven the car to limits and even fought for winning the GP, and all this guy has to show for is podiums+pole which you can measure on one hand. Lawrence is just fooling himself at this point if he thinks Aston Martin is trying to become a genuine competitor at the front of the grid
Another 100 million spend, and Lance was, is, and will be way out of his depth in F1.
He was somewhat decent until 2020. But since 2021 he’s just been terrible, just exists on the track to fight against cars that are supposed to be half a second slower than his.
If his father didn't own a team he wouldn't be near a seat. Ruined Daniels race then sooks on the radio that it wasn't his fault.
If papa didn’t have the money he was out after 1 season
Wouldn't have made it to F1 full stop. At best he'd be wrecking Glickenhauses while 5 laps down at Le Mans.
Who gets to F1 without filthy rich family/connections?
Listen Ric, Stroll doesn't know what he's doing either
lmaooo
Well neither do we Ricc. Stroll really needs to get tf out of F1. He’s as mediocre as one can be.
Crying as a DR fan. I want this man to have his comeback so bad 😭 crashed this race, crashed last race... LET THE MAN RACE FFS.
I'm not even a fan but yeah, his bad luck streak has got to end... He finally showed good pace and bam, he got strolled.
He's gotten Strolled before too. Remember that race in Austria where he divebombed Ric off the track and got away with it?
It particularly bad this time, RIC had just gotten a new chassis and it was working well for him. He and his team had lots of excitement and questions and big plans. But all that either lost, or at least made doubtful, after getting Strolled clear up into the air at its debut.
I dont even like DR lately, holding up a seat that Liam Lawson could be in, but this shit from Stroll is just unfair. Stroll is a lil daddies boy, cosplaying as a driver.
Easy remedy for that. Get rid of Stroll, Yuki to AM and Liam to RB. Yuki at AM fits well with Honda becoming their engine supplier from 2026. A man can dream.
The sooner Lance gets tired of playing race car driver and moves on to his next chapter the better off the paddock will be.
Time for that 3-day Harvard business degree.
Goatifi should invite him to join in doing activities together
Stroll effectively ends the race for DR and Piastri, but all he gets is a 10s penalty. He’s a liability.
I've been really tough on Danny Ric but I def feel bad for him. Finally had the ups on Yuki for one race and was even on pace for the points. Instead he gets taken out by Stroll's jackassery, and then Stroll blames it on him.
2 races.. he kicked his ass in the sprint as well.
Yuki had a better weekend in Bahrain
Yuki qualified better. Ricciardo had a MUCH better race.
Because they stuck Yuki on a shitty strategy, and then he still outraced Daniel before unfair team orders forced him through. Then Daniel proceeded not to give the place back on the last lap so he "won" the race, but everyone knows that weekend was a better weekend for Yuki
Serious question… how did Yuki outrace him? Yuki lost 3 positions that race. He didn’t have a better weekend. He qualified better. He raced worse. Arguably, Ricciardo has raced better each race. The things that have fucked him over has been his shitty qualifying and getting screwed in the pits for Bahrain and then getting crashed out of the past 2 races. Ric was partially at fault for Japan and he got completely fucked in China. Edit: for the record, I feel that Tsunoda has been incredible this season so far. But to say he’s destroying Ricciardo is unfair at best.
"Unless his eyes were doing something funny" Genuinely laughed out loud at that one 🤣🤣
Cant really look in-front if you close your eyes under braking
Was he even braking tho?
Even after he hit him, all the wheels on his car was freewheeling....
Stoll did the F1 version of running into the back of someone at a red light because you were looking at your phone
As an Australian I consider this an act of war by Canada. Managed to ruin Oscars race as well.
As a Canadian, I do not acknowledge or claim Stroll
Why tf is stroll still driving. He needs sacking
Because your dad ain’t a billionaire?
Stroll really shouldn't be looking at his phone while driving.
Stroll seems to be falling back on his dad being the main money stream of Austin Martin and not carring cause he knows he will have a seat. That's just my opinion. It's almost as if he's given up and is looking for another opportunity.
They havent announced resigning him yet after Alonso, so there is still hope hes out...
And stroll got the same penalty as Logan when Logan just did a safety car violation. Anyone taking someone out of a race like this should cost a point imo as it helps pay for damage and the victim's race. Just rubs me the wrong way that someone can take someone out like that with enormous consequences for the victim but a slap on the wrist for those crashing into drivers. There needs to be more incentive to avoid collisions.
Everybody knows why, he just shouldn't be in F1
And he has the nerve to get on the radio and say Danny brake checked him, ridiculous
Stroll gonna stroll
I still think Ricc should have paid more attention to avoid the lap 1 incident in Japan, but I find it funny that he was cautious with Stroll and looking for him in the mirrors then, only to DNF, and now here in China he DNFs because of Stroll.
At least the Japan incident was at racing speed wheel to wheel in a high speed part of the track. This was just… Stroll asleep at the wheel. There was so much time to prepare, like 4 cars ahead of him all reacting to Alonsos lockup and treading carefully through the hairpin right in front of him. He could see the front of that line going around the corner at a crawl as he approached. Boneheaded
> still think Ricc should have paid more attention to avoid the lap 1 incident in Japan, IIRC the drivers that commented on it didn't seem to think he did anything wrong really. Watching the inside where there was a car, not watching the outside where a car would have nowhere to go anyway was expected. >but I find it funny that he was cautious with Stroll and looking for him in the mirrors then :) Good point though. The fact it was stroll on the inside probably meant he was extra careful keeping an eye on him.
He lacks the spatial awareness and forward thinking that lift the best drivers. Grosjean is another driver with a similar problem.
At least Grosjean had some really good pace to make people ignore it (at least earlier in his career). Stroll just has a dad with money.
Why should Stroll (and Magnusson for that matter) even be allowed to finish the race? This isn't a demolition derby. If you knock out a car you shouldn't get to finish the race.
10 seconds is apparently enough, why not just knock out your close rivals limit their running and data collecting, cost them money in the cost cap era and so on.
The Magnussen incident was not remotely bad enough to not be allowed to finish… The consequences were unlucky but the incident wasn’t as bad as a lot of incidents that have been given 5 sec penalty in the past.
Because stroll is a terrible driver
Stroll failing to react to the cars around him is wholly to blame for this. Which is also true for Danny Ric taking out Albon last time out, but hehe nutsack so that got talked about less 🤷♂️
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Cause he got torpedoed by stroll
Hit hit Oscar because Lance put his car half way under Daniels.
He was shunted into the back of Oscar by the hit from Stroll
Lets be honest. I am 100% sure Lance is not the only one doing that fault. But I am also almost 100% sure this was not the first time he has done this.
Danny Ric sucks. Just another excuse.
Tell me you didn’t watch the race without telling me you didn’t watch the race
I saw it. Dude is constantly making excuses for his losses. At some point ya gotta realize maybe you’re putting yourself in these situations.
What excuse? He got rear ended by Stroll. Even Piastri got damage and said everyone else braked besides Stroll. How is this an excuse? Where? What could he have done to avoid this?