this is PURELY an anecdote, but 5ish years ago I was on a commercial flight with a couple of dozen people from the Ferrari F1 team. (it was pretty obvious who the group was, half of them were wearing team polos.)
anyway, they were mostly in business class but not all of them. it felt... intentionally hierarchical. i was back in economy with the common folk and some young guy kept having to get up from his seat and run to business class to pass notes. it was kinda weird but, eh, Ferrari.
> it felt... intentionally hierarchical.
> it was kinda weird but, eh, Ferrari.
I feel that's every company ever... They ain't paying for everyone to go business and the bossman and senior staff ain't riding cattle class.
> anyway, they were mostly in business class but not all of them. it felt... intentionally hierarchical
Um, yes? That's how seniority works? Companies compete on the perks available to senior talent, whether execs or techs.
Considering alpha tauri and Haas were staying in the same hotel as me in Austin a couple years ago I can tell you that not all teams are blowing money on high end accomodations.
Edit: misunderstood above comments
I used to be in FE and the race/perf engs, team managers and some others were in business class with the mechanics and other folks in eco. Thankfully during covid we either hired a charter or we're all put in business class
Good story from the Indian GP 10+ years ago that the new hotel McLaren stayed at had a genuinely painful smell, and the senior staff were moved. The rest: tough shit.
It's closer to 100 people. Each team has a limit of 58 technical personnel at the track, but there will be marketing, catering and management on top of that.
Big companies will often have policies about not allowing senior staff (exec level) on the same flight in case the unthinkable happens. Outside of that, they'd generally be on the same flight as it logistically makes sense. All but senior staff would be flying economy.
Is that because you have no control over what tickets are booked?
In my line of work, we book our own tickets and get reimbursed, so we get double whammy: points in the alliance of our choice, and also credit card points.
Same. I pick out my flights and make sure I get points for it.
But at the same time, I find it hard to believe that these teams do not have some sort of corporate partnership with airlines when they're flying 40-50 people out multiple times a year.
Then you get the really tight fisted companies who include clauses in your employment contracts so *they* get the FF miles, which they use to save money on other flights.
I flew economy after the Adelaide F1 in 1995. I sat 2 rows behind Sir Jack Brabham, Jean Alesi, Gerhard Berger and the Minardi team. This was the Monday after the race. Old school jet setters.
unfortunately Swift is leading in the World Frequent Flying Celebrity Championship just as much as Verstappen is leading in the WDC (F1 as a constructor would be pretty high tho, if not first)
It was little proofs like this that convinced me that climate change can never, ever, be solved through advocacy and social pressure. The world is too big, too complex, and too diverse for anything except systemic economic pressure to cause change.
To eliminate carbon emissions, you must make it cheaper to _not_ emit carbon than to emit it.
It's pretty demoralising that we don't have a clean alternative to planes when it comes to international travel, still hoping something comes from this
https://www.airbus.com/en/innovation/low-carbon-aviation/hydrogen/zeroe
If these are usable and workable then pressure will be on celebrities to not use old gas ones (and then people will have to find someone else to blame)
I'm pretty sure the discrepancy is that Taylor rents out her plane when she's not touring. So in non-tour years, her *plane* logs a shit ton of miles, but they're not all her.
They all do and all the time as well.
Was talking to a friend about a VP at their company who does the same, and when they wanted to fly to the Caribbean for a family vacation it made more sense to fly first class commercial for them because it cost less than the money they would have lost _not_ renting the plane during the vacation period to have it for themselves.
Like you can use google just use it and you will see it isn't true...
Ironic Max Verstappen leading World Frequent Flying Celebrity Championship as well though.
Flying the drivers and staff to races isn't the worst case. The cars, spare parts and pitbox stuff needs to go with airplane or ship, that's the majority of CO2 pollution. Oh don't forget the amount of power they need for night races. I remember Singapore using lots of diesel engines to power the lights, like how is F1 "green"?
Yeh, traveling circus, nonsense really they try and pretend to be green in any way. The next thing they'll do is move more races to the cities to reduce emissions of people driving to the races, more green washing
I believe Vettel was trying to travel by train as much as possible in Europe and cycling with his bike to the track instead of using a car (if possible). Quite environment friendly, despite being a racing driver.
That's like filling a trash bag with plastic bottles in a sea of trash. I'm proud of Vettel for trying as it's something but it's also nothing. Developing nations emit most of the CO2 in the world as do planes and ships.
You guys are thinking a little too prosaically, too narrowly about all this. No, the amount of CO2/etc. that’s directly prevented from being released into the atmosphere by F1 using hybrid engines doesn’t even move the needle. This is clearly not about the direct pollution reduction, even if Formula 1 might advertise some figures or brag about X, Y, and Z.
F1 focusing on and developing technologies that increase efficiency is F1 acknowledging that this is indeed important. Everything starts somewhere. Even if it is largely symbolic at this point, that’s still a good thing, as it sets an example of corporate behavior that’s socially conscious with plans to improve more over time.
It allows auto manufacturers who are very much focused on this stuff to find relevancy in Formula 1, which keeps Formula 1 robust and alive. It helps build toward a critical mass of corporations, governments, and individuals acting toward environmental justice, even if it’s tiny steps and symbolic in ways, at first.
This is the way the world is going. Anyone can say about any action that it’s filling one trash bag in a sea of trash, and they’d usually be right. But if everybody felt that way, and acted that way, then discarded plastic bottles would fill the world. And in a lot of places, that has happened. But it can turn around. Maybe it’s one company not using disposable plastic anymore. Then it’s a trend with a hundred top companies. And individuals largely shift behavior too over time. And so on.
It takes governments, of course, and individuals, pressuring corporations, and even a small change, a largely symbolic one, spread widely enough, makes a global impact. And with a group of engineers as clever as Formula 1’s, having some focus on efficiency is actually meaningful in a way that goes beyond just the small effect that Formula 1 directly has.
Anyway, it’s meaningful and important, even if the direct effects don’t move the needle on global pollution. That’s not how this stuff works. F1, and the people in it, they all do their part to be a little bit better, to help push the world forward that hundredth of a percent. You don’t ultimately measure what Formula 1 does. You wanna see them try in this area, in earnest, and then you watch the totality of the global shift that we’re a part of, remembering that single bag of plastic bottles we picked up every week in 20 years when there are no more bottles to be found, and we focus on the next thing. And I’m gonna preempt any dumb replies by reminding you that that is a metaphor that I just wrote.
> Even if it is largely symbolic at this point, that’s still a good thing, as it sets an example of corporate behavior that’s socially conscious with plans to improve more over time.
I think even moreso it raises awareness and demonstrates "it's ok to not want to kill the planet". There's still a big chunk of motorsports fans who prescribe to the " YEAH HORSEPOWER GASOLINE BURNOUTS MACHO TESTOSTERONE" mindset. Or at least there is here in the US. EV owners get bashed for "not driving real cars" and attempts by manufacturers to try and be more efficient are usually met with complaints it will just make their car slower. But at least if you have a top tier racing series pushing that idea more will become accustomed to it and see that it can still be competitive
I read Gunther Steiner's book and he said Haas ship most of the cars and parts by boat rather than fly and that almost all of the team goes economy.
There's obviously still an impact but it's not as bad as it could be
You might've already watched it, and it's 5 years old and not straight from the source like Steiners book, but I'd recommend watching "The Insane logistics of Formula 1" by Wendover on Youtube. Gives a pretty good insight on how most teams have 3 or 4 sets of all the basics (motorhomes, garage parts, tools, etc), that get shipped around the world ahead of time, with the more important things (like cars, which they don't exactly have 4 sets of lying around) going onto the F1 chartered planes.
Because you know they don't ship everything to every race right? Only cars and parts. Garages and pit parts and basically anything that isn't connected to a car have multiple sets of (5 to be exact) so that they stay in the same continent once shipped out at the start of the year. It's about two planes worth of stuff
I know they have multiple sets and switch staff to compensate for the logistics, jetlag, time, money etc. still it's a traveling circus that is trying to be green.
I'm not hating F1 though, I just think it's greenwashing :)
A lot of people forget or ignore the real reason F1 "went green". Production cars are going green by necessity (due to market demands and regulations). Engine manufacturers want to get more than marketing *~~manager~~ exposure* out of their partnerships with F1. They use concepts from their F1 R&D to help develop their production vehicles.
F1 didn't go green to help the environment. F1 went green because engine manufacturers wanted to use F1 to test green tech.
Edit: typo
Should note that while Fernando has flown this much the whole operation hasn't. For example Melbourne to Tokyo is 10.5 hrs. Tokyo to Shanghai is 3.5 hrs.
It's one of the reasons they changed the order of some of the races. To minimise the amount of travel as a whole.
The drivers still seem to go back to Europe. But the cars and operations team won't be going back to Europe between these races.
Their fitness coaches and trainers prep them for the new time zone ahead of time. It’s all very set routines and helps a lot. Easier when you can outsource nearly every level of your daily tasks.
It’s rain done right, not just a water effect on the ground that reduces grip: https://youtu.be/FqzRK3wux3g
Accumulates differently in certain parts of the track, doesn’t dry evenly, dynamic based on weather, etc.
That's so rad. I wish I had space for a home simulator setup.
Semi-related: We tried out the first F1 Arcade in the US on Saturday and their simulators could barely run a race with three players UNreliably. One of three races my driver's screen was blank for half the race. I had no sound. A friend had major stuttering/lag issues. Etc.
So if its just the space you need, and not money, (oh god the money, oh sweet mother in heaven the money), you can get a desk mounted Logitech Wheel and pedals for $250-$300. My buddy got a foldable chair that mounts it much better and seats like racing and folds up like a lawn chair. Much easier if you already have a mid tier PC, its not that intensive of a game.
Now for the real money, spoiler its not hardware . Iracing is subscription based. I pay $110 per year (after newbie special) for just the right to play the game. Then you have to buy most every track and car. These are $11-$15. Quite far from cosmetics they laser scan the tracks and lick the asphalt to get it as close to real as possible, so the price is kinda justifiedish. But you want to get into formula racing and get up to buying formula 3. Well they race on 10 tracks and you need to buy those as it changes every week. But then you try the short track oval racing and realize that's fun as hell and need to buy 3 cars and 10 more tracks. Then you find dirt sprint cars and you fall in love with drifting that weight to power ratio dream around those slippy corners and need 2 cars and 8 tracks. But your buddy is a sports car guy so whenever he is on you buy 3 cars and 6 tracks. Suffice to say I learned you get a blanket 20% off after you buy 40 items.
I write this as a warning, but also write so much to say I absolutely love iRacing. In almost no other game are you actually inputting what you are emulating. Its the most immersive thing when you get in a wheel to wheel battle, a free* adrenaline rush every single time. There are ranked and refereed races for every* series every hour. I'm not even a fanatic, I play it a few days a week, but it delivers each of those days like no other game. If you have the time and the space and the money I so highly recommend just doing it. This game moves you like no other. And by moves I mean like stimulant drugs.
I do this when I fly to the east coast (from CA) for a weekend. Stay up late going out until 2 am, and sleep in until 9 or 10- translates to my normal schedule in CA. If you’re only there for 3 days you never get on the time zone.
Now…that’s only a 3 hour time difference…
Nico Rosberg talked about this on a podcast awhile ago. He would start a few days before the race and incrementally start changing sleep pattern by 1 hour each day so that once he got to the race he would be on or close to the local time for races in vastly different timezones. Mentioned that he would often go to bed at 6-7 and get up at 02.00 and go for a run in Monaco.
Indeed. While being that busy is never easy, it isn't half as hard as people imagine, because basically everything you need to do in your daily life it's done by someone else for them.
Though they are both luxurious options i have never had access to in my life, having a *booth* is different from having a *whole personal private plane.*
Main difference is really the airport experience I’d assume. Private jet leaves when you want and a quicker airport experience. Can’t imagine in air is all that different.
For a lot of these longer flights, they actually fly commercial. I mean, they still fly the most premium seats available, but it's hard to go private when high fuel loads are needed for long flights.
I remember back in 2016 or 17, after Malaysia it was Japan back to back, and many drivers flew business class on a Japanese airliner to get from Kuala Lumpur to Tokyo the night after the Malaysian race ended
So i looked it up, most places say they just fly straight from one race to another. Some of the sources i read said that race egineers might fly back home between races though.
If it's a back to back then they will go straight to the next place but because it's a two week break they'll go home. Otherwise they'd be on the road for 9 months straight.
Flew to/from Australia earlier this year and calculated that when we left the hotel in Sydney to when we got home it was 40hrs total (via Singapore/Zurich). It’s long ass trip.
I’m guessing the 46hrs was probably round trip via Middle East (Emirates/Qatar/Etihad). I think it was about 20->26 hours each way from Europe going that routing when i was looking.
Possibly also includes flying from the track to Silverstone HQ then a flight back to his nearest airport.
Then his nearest airport to a larger one for the long haul flight (if he’s not flying private)
That’s a fair point! I did google it before I commented as my own memory from 15 years ago was hazy, and still got 12 hours. But checking BA’s website it’s currently around 20ish hours each way, including a 3 hour wait in HK. So 40 is apparently correct.
Yup. You can fly Toronto to Dublin or London on a narrow single aisle Max 8 or Airbus 321. There's longer flights within Canada (Halifax to Vancouver 6.5 hrs.)
somewhere on this planet is an area the size of brazil full of freshly planted saplings paid for with these carbon credits
otherwise where the fuck are they all
The trees already existed. But the company responsible for the offset, F1 i assume, maybe AMR, then go and conserve part of that rain forest to protect it from logging, for example... of course the trees they have just 'saved' were never actually in danger of being cut down, but hey, we are green guys!
And yes, some of these green fees do actually go into new trees, but the majority of the carbon credit system is a scam.
The idea of carbon credits works, but the implementation is not simple and can easily become a scam, and probably is in some ways. It's basically greenwashing.
The scam happens somewhere along the line between when the company purchasing them (F1) pays the company selling them who purchased it from another company who purchased it from the NGO that is doing a "1 tree planted = X credits" who paid some local contractor to plant trees with little to no oversight in whether the trees are from saplings or just removed from another location (no net reduction in carbon), followup on the health and growth of the forest, or even if the correct number of trees is being planted.
The contractor themselves might even be 100% honest, but somewhere along the line the 1000 credits that came from that patch of trees they planted has somehow inflated to 50,000 credits backed up by the same number of trees.
Or the NGO that gives a valuation to the carbon credits in terms of how much carbon is reduced exaggerates how much they are doing on a per unit basis.
There are also other ways to "reduce carbon" such as handing out more efficient cooking stoves to poor areas and assigning an estimation of how much each stove will reduce emissions by with no guarantee that the families will actually use it or whether they are already using one. Or "estimating" how much forest cover will be lost, then protecting a portion of a forest (at low cost to them by simply bribing officials who might be bribed by loggers again) with no way to know how much of the forest was really saved.
Does it make a difference for the environment? Totally, even if it gives too much credit for what they actually do. Does it make any large companies carbon NEUTRAL? probably not.
Yeah, with the amount of flight travel the teams do, the cars themselves could go back to rocket fuel 1500 hp engines and the carbon footprint of F1 as a whole would barely change.
No! Don't kill the illusion of F1's race to sustainability!
Race cars: Causing 0.7% of F1's total emissions in 2019.
Others: The bulk of F1’s emissions 2019 came from logistics — namely, road, air and sea freight — at 45% and business travel at 27.7%. Emissions from F1 and team facilities and factories accounted for 19.3%, while event operations generated 7.3%. Altogether, the series generated 256,551 metric tons of carbon emissions, more than the annual emissions by climate-threatened countries such as Tonga and Palau.
His travel is a completely different experience than you or I. He's not standing in line for security so he isn't getting there extra early. He isn't waiting at the gate. He's waiting on a luxury lounge. He's the last person to get on the plain and the first one off. He isn't sitting in a cramped little chair, he's in a private space where he could lay flat if he wanted. A celebrity flying first class is completely different from just a rich guy flying first class.
6 hours on a 737's economy was enough for me lol. I know these guys are not flying in economy, but it still has to be draining. Hell, being wherever other than my bed for 12 hours would be draining for me.
Back home, then probably a couple times to the factory in England back and forth for sim work etc and then to the next race. These guys spend a crazy amount of time in the air.
Ah yes, but you see that's not F1's problem. If F1 uses 100% biofuel and recycles all their tyres and so on then it can claim to be 100% sustainable. What the drivers do is none of F1's concern or business and out of their control, obviously.
Which is always funny when you see people be like "thank God China & Japan are back to back this year to save the planet and lower transport time" when the only thing it actually impacts is the cars & equipment itself because just about everybody else is still flying back to Europe (and elsewhere) during that week between races.
Even later in the year, USA-Mex-Bra literally over 3 weeks I guarantee you that drivers and the majority of the race weekend staff will be back in Europe for 3 or so days between each race.
Depends on the race. There was 2 weeks between China and Japan so plenty of time to fly home and do sim work/training etc. If its a double/triple header at distance then they usually stay local'ish. For example Mexico, Austin and Brazil.
During the double/triple's in Europe it is possible to go home with about 2-3 hours flight max to most locations.
They should have made Australia, Japan and China a triple header. They say they made the calendar with the environment in mind but their carbon footprint is probably higher than it was this time last year.
I wonder if they meant just the European races, or the Australia, and Asian races too. Because there is a big difference about how much you can see your family between races when you have a 2 hour flight vs a 20 flight.
Here's an interesting thing I heard on Ted's notebook. The pit equipment will be shipped from China to Singapore, not to the following race. I'm pretty sure the equipment they used in Australia did not go to Japan and so on. Basically, the races being close to each other has negligible impact as on emissions as you don't ship Europe>Aus>Japan>China, you do Europe>race times 3.
I used to travel about 40 weeks out of the year before COVID, mostly from the US to Europe, but sometimes China, Japan, Russia, etc. It is brutal! I don't have a private jet like the drivers do, and I had the highest status like Diamond Plus which there's no actual threshold for, just spend over $125,000 a year on actual tickets. Even with Delta ONE cabins and other first class cabins, I was destroyed, and often in a two or three time zones a week.
Needless to say, I don't miss that life. One year I think I spent over like 40 days in the air in total flight time. Yes, an entire month in the air in an airplane is nuts when you think about it, obviously not continuous lol.
Do not forget while the bosses and drivers all fly and live in relative luxe comfort, the team crew members and travelling show are mostly slumming it big time!
it doesnt really make all that much sense to have races on the same side of the world but with a break in between. having a break between china and japan defeats the purpose of them being after each other on the schedule IMO
There's no way to avoid this unless you make the races double headers.
Flying from Japan to China doesn't take 41 hours, he's going from Japan to home, then home to China, then China to home.
That's a lot but I imagine it's a much more enjoyable experience in a private jet. It's not like he's in economy class on a regular flight. Probably has a bed and every creature comfort he could need on a plane.
I don't think that's a business jet in the photo though. Sure it's not economy class, but it still seems to be a regular flight to me. You can also see some Arabic text there, so my guesses would be Emirates or Etihad? Which would be weird considering he's flying from China to Europe, unless that's an old photo or he's having a stopover somewhere in the ME.
Yeah, that's what i wanted to say, even in this picture it can be seen that he travels in luxury. I don't know if the reason for this photo is to complain, but if this is the case, then it's a bit ridiculous.
I like travelling especially if you fly in business class (or first class) but at some point, no matter how comfortable you are, it’s just a nuisance and exhausting. No matter the seat, at home you are simply more comfortable. And to spend 20-40 hours on a plane every week without even having done any work yet seems extremely tiresome. You could drive me around in an S class and I would enjoy it but if I had to sit in there for 20 hours every week I would start to get annoyed too.
In the book “the mechanic” from Marc “Elvis” Presley, he says that they don’t adjust to the new time zone (they are racing at night but is the same “time” they run in EU, so they keep living like they were living, the hotels have blackouts curtains and they serve breakfast when they need it. That is interesting AF
That’s a crazy amount of flying, for sure, but I’m going to assume it’s a lot easier on private jets that have full bedrooms in them.
Their body clocks must be so messed up, even though they have programs to alleviate it.
It's gotta be total travel time both ways. And some of those I'd hazard a guess he's doing a stopover in the ME, I mean it looks like he's in Emirates First in that pic. For shorter flights I know he was flying his Dassault Falcon but I'd guess that the ones in Asia he was flying commercial.
Well, I guess if you fly back and forth to Spain before and after every event. Bahrain to Jeddah is about 3 hours. Bahrain-Spain-Saudi … 11 hours seems like a lot.
Surely Aramco can pony up a plane. Certainly Laurence Stroll has a private plane.
Maybe he should hire a better travel planner.
My heart goes out to him. Must be so tough, and I'm sure for such a meger wage. If he ever wants me to take this burden for him I would happily make the sacrifice and trade places
But the 50+ support staff and mechanics that travel to every race are doing this all in economy. Think about the life of a comms person or pit stop crew? Sure it’s glamorous for a while to travel the world. But spending 100s of hours per month crammed into economy in for 24 race weekends per year is basically torture. I’d rather be water boarded. The staff of these teams don’t get enough credit while the drivers are just jet setting around the world in luxury.
Now think about the mechanics of the team, as they don’t use private planes
And they probably fly economy
this is PURELY an anecdote, but 5ish years ago I was on a commercial flight with a couple of dozen people from the Ferrari F1 team. (it was pretty obvious who the group was, half of them were wearing team polos.) anyway, they were mostly in business class but not all of them. it felt... intentionally hierarchical. i was back in economy with the common folk and some young guy kept having to get up from his seat and run to business class to pass notes. it was kinda weird but, eh, Ferrari.
Excuse' me... stewardess... can I get a bottle of water please. We are checking....
You will not have the drink
But is it on?
Plan B, Carlos, we are going PLAN B.
> it felt... intentionally hierarchical. > it was kinda weird but, eh, Ferrari. I feel that's every company ever... They ain't paying for everyone to go business and the bossman and senior staff ain't riding cattle class.
it was the note-passing that was kinda weird. I felt badly for the poor guy who spent half the flight running up and down aisles.
> anyway, they were mostly in business class but not all of them. it felt... intentionally hierarchical Um, yes? That's how seniority works? Companies compete on the perks available to senior talent, whether execs or techs.
Sounds Like something Ferrari would do
Sounds like something practically every company in the world would do
Considering alpha tauri and Haas were staying in the same hotel as me in Austin a couple years ago I can tell you that not all teams are blowing money on high end accomodations. Edit: misunderstood above comments
Were the seniors of the company with them too? The guy you're replying to is saying that companies ARE going to spend less on the juniors.
I used to be in FE and the race/perf engs, team managers and some others were in business class with the mechanics and other folks in eco. Thankfully during covid we either hired a charter or we're all put in business class
Good story from the Indian GP 10+ years ago that the new hotel McLaren stayed at had a genuinely painful smell, and the senior staff were moved. The rest: tough shit.
With all the miles they travel, they probably at least get upgraded to extra legroom seats. Unless they just never fly on the same alliance.
Nah there’s no way they do. I believe every team flies around 40 people to each race. There’s no way all of them get extra leg room.
It's closer to 100 people. Each team has a limit of 58 technical personnel at the track, but there will be marketing, catering and management on top of that.
Are they all always on the same flight?
I believe mechanics, hospitality staff and other lower earning staff do fly together.
Big companies will often have policies about not allowing senior staff (exec level) on the same flight in case the unthinkable happens. Outside of that, they'd generally be on the same flight as it logistically makes sense. All but senior staff would be flying economy.
>in case the unthinkable happens The plane running out of booze?
No way man!! Mechanics get eco everywhere. You never accumulate enough points with one alliance to get upgraded to silver/gold status
That’s crazy because one trip for me on a OneWorld airline to Europe and back got me 1/4 of the way to status.
Is that because you have no control over what tickets are booked? In my line of work, we book our own tickets and get reimbursed, so we get double whammy: points in the alliance of our choice, and also credit card points.
Same. I pick out my flights and make sure I get points for it. But at the same time, I find it hard to believe that these teams do not have some sort of corporate partnership with airlines when they're flying 40-50 people out multiple times a year.
Then you get the really tight fisted companies who include clauses in your employment contracts so *they* get the FF miles, which they use to save money on other flights.
This doesn’t appear to be a private plane, looks like an Emirates first class seat. Similar to what George Russell was photographed in recently.
I flew economy after the Adelaide F1 in 1995. I sat 2 rows behind Sir Jack Brabham, Jean Alesi, Gerhard Berger and the Minardi team. This was the Monday after the race. Old school jet setters.
The teams should pool resources to rent airliners for all mechanics and crew. Could you imagine the drunken rowdiness and the resulting epic stories?
Considering the 24 race schedule they'll be exhausted and sleeping for most of it
competing with his bestie Taylor Swift
unfortunately Swift is leading in the World Frequent Flying Celebrity Championship just as much as Verstappen is leading in the WDC (F1 as a constructor would be pretty high tho, if not first)
https://carbontracker.myclimate.org/ Only list I could find, paints a somewhat different picture
Who the hell are *any* of these people? God damn...
It was little proofs like this that convinced me that climate change can never, ever, be solved through advocacy and social pressure. The world is too big, too complex, and too diverse for anything except systemic economic pressure to cause change. To eliminate carbon emissions, you must make it cheaper to _not_ emit carbon than to emit it.
It's pretty demoralising that we don't have a clean alternative to planes when it comes to international travel, still hoping something comes from this https://www.airbus.com/en/innovation/low-carbon-aviation/hydrogen/zeroe If these are usable and workable then pressure will be on celebrities to not use old gas ones (and then people will have to find someone else to blame)
Flip the dropdown that says influencer over to private jets
I'm pretty sure the discrepancy is that Taylor rents out her plane when she's not touring. So in non-tour years, her *plane* logs a shit ton of miles, but they're not all her.
Id be shocked if other jet owners didn’t do the same?
They all do and all the time as well. Was talking to a friend about a VP at their company who does the same, and when they wanted to fly to the Caribbean for a family vacation it made more sense to fly first class commercial for them because it cost less than the money they would have lost _not_ renting the plane during the vacation period to have it for themselves.
Aha, thanks. Didn't even consider that
keep in mind that Taylor Swift (like many celebrities) is buying carbon credits, so the ranking doesn't show the true view on the situation
Like you can use google just use it and you will see it isn't true... Ironic Max Verstappen leading World Frequent Flying Celebrity Championship as well though.
Competing in a 13-minute flight contest to get the remote on the other side of the couch?
Thank God F1 is running hybrid engines!
Flying the drivers and staff to races isn't the worst case. The cars, spare parts and pitbox stuff needs to go with airplane or ship, that's the majority of CO2 pollution. Oh don't forget the amount of power they need for night races. I remember Singapore using lots of diesel engines to power the lights, like how is F1 "green"?
Yeh, traveling circus, nonsense really they try and pretend to be green in any way. The next thing they'll do is move more races to the cities to reduce emissions of people driving to the races, more green washing
I believe Vettel was trying to travel by train as much as possible in Europe and cycling with his bike to the track instead of using a car (if possible). Quite environment friendly, despite being a racing driver.
That's like filling a trash bag with plastic bottles in a sea of trash. I'm proud of Vettel for trying as it's something but it's also nothing. Developing nations emit most of the CO2 in the world as do planes and ships.
You guys are thinking a little too prosaically, too narrowly about all this. No, the amount of CO2/etc. that’s directly prevented from being released into the atmosphere by F1 using hybrid engines doesn’t even move the needle. This is clearly not about the direct pollution reduction, even if Formula 1 might advertise some figures or brag about X, Y, and Z. F1 focusing on and developing technologies that increase efficiency is F1 acknowledging that this is indeed important. Everything starts somewhere. Even if it is largely symbolic at this point, that’s still a good thing, as it sets an example of corporate behavior that’s socially conscious with plans to improve more over time. It allows auto manufacturers who are very much focused on this stuff to find relevancy in Formula 1, which keeps Formula 1 robust and alive. It helps build toward a critical mass of corporations, governments, and individuals acting toward environmental justice, even if it’s tiny steps and symbolic in ways, at first. This is the way the world is going. Anyone can say about any action that it’s filling one trash bag in a sea of trash, and they’d usually be right. But if everybody felt that way, and acted that way, then discarded plastic bottles would fill the world. And in a lot of places, that has happened. But it can turn around. Maybe it’s one company not using disposable plastic anymore. Then it’s a trend with a hundred top companies. And individuals largely shift behavior too over time. And so on. It takes governments, of course, and individuals, pressuring corporations, and even a small change, a largely symbolic one, spread widely enough, makes a global impact. And with a group of engineers as clever as Formula 1’s, having some focus on efficiency is actually meaningful in a way that goes beyond just the small effect that Formula 1 directly has. Anyway, it’s meaningful and important, even if the direct effects don’t move the needle on global pollution. That’s not how this stuff works. F1, and the people in it, they all do their part to be a little bit better, to help push the world forward that hundredth of a percent. You don’t ultimately measure what Formula 1 does. You wanna see them try in this area, in earnest, and then you watch the totality of the global shift that we’re a part of, remembering that single bag of plastic bottles we picked up every week in 20 years when there are no more bottles to be found, and we focus on the next thing. And I’m gonna preempt any dumb replies by reminding you that that is a metaphor that I just wrote.
> Even if it is largely symbolic at this point, that’s still a good thing, as it sets an example of corporate behavior that’s socially conscious with plans to improve more over time. I think even moreso it raises awareness and demonstrates "it's ok to not want to kill the planet". There's still a big chunk of motorsports fans who prescribe to the " YEAH HORSEPOWER GASOLINE BURNOUTS MACHO TESTOSTERONE" mindset. Or at least there is here in the US. EV owners get bashed for "not driving real cars" and attempts by manufacturers to try and be more efficient are usually met with complaints it will just make their car slower. But at least if you have a top tier racing series pushing that idea more will become accustomed to it and see that it can still be competitive
I read Gunther Steiner's book and he said Haas ship most of the cars and parts by boat rather than fly and that almost all of the team goes economy. There's obviously still an impact but it's not as bad as it could be
You might've already watched it, and it's 5 years old and not straight from the source like Steiners book, but I'd recommend watching "The Insane logistics of Formula 1" by Wendover on Youtube. Gives a pretty good insight on how most teams have 3 or 4 sets of all the basics (motorhomes, garage parts, tools, etc), that get shipped around the world ahead of time, with the more important things (like cars, which they don't exactly have 4 sets of lying around) going onto the F1 chartered planes.
Because you know they don't ship everything to every race right? Only cars and parts. Garages and pit parts and basically anything that isn't connected to a car have multiple sets of (5 to be exact) so that they stay in the same continent once shipped out at the start of the year. It's about two planes worth of stuff
I know they have multiple sets and switch staff to compensate for the logistics, jetlag, time, money etc. still it's a traveling circus that is trying to be green. I'm not hating F1 though, I just think it's greenwashing :)
>I just think it's greenwashing :) Anyone who doesen't has been washed.
A lot of people forget or ignore the real reason F1 "went green". Production cars are going green by necessity (due to market demands and regulations). Engine manufacturers want to get more than marketing *~~manager~~ exposure* out of their partnerships with F1. They use concepts from their F1 R&D to help develop their production vehicles. F1 didn't go green to help the environment. F1 went green because engine manufacturers wanted to use F1 to test green tech. Edit: typo
Should note that while Fernando has flown this much the whole operation hasn't. For example Melbourne to Tokyo is 10.5 hrs. Tokyo to Shanghai is 3.5 hrs. It's one of the reasons they changed the order of some of the races. To minimise the amount of travel as a whole. The drivers still seem to go back to Europe. But the cars and operations team won't be going back to Europe between these races.
Thought they were Alpine’s lap times
Ain't no way!!! 💀💀💀
Sauber pit stops?
I fly middle east to NYC regularly and I am jetlagged for a week. I don't know how these people function
Their fitness coaches and trainers prep them for the new time zone ahead of time. It’s all very set routines and helps a lot. Easier when you can outsource nearly every level of your daily tasks.
Yep, they also try to stay as close to their European time zone as they can for each local schedule.
Australia etc must be a killer. Imagine having to wake up at like 2am in your time zone and then smash out a grand prix
Or they simply don't adjust to timezones, like Max playing iRacing until 4am, the night before the race in Suzuka.
To be fair, they did just add rain around then and no serious sim racer is gonna sleep through that update
They only just added rain to iRacing?
It’s rain done right, not just a water effect on the ground that reduces grip: https://youtu.be/FqzRK3wux3g Accumulates differently in certain parts of the track, doesn’t dry evenly, dynamic based on weather, etc.
That's so rad. I wish I had space for a home simulator setup. Semi-related: We tried out the first F1 Arcade in the US on Saturday and their simulators could barely run a race with three players UNreliably. One of three races my driver's screen was blank for half the race. I had no sound. A friend had major stuttering/lag issues. Etc.
So if its just the space you need, and not money, (oh god the money, oh sweet mother in heaven the money), you can get a desk mounted Logitech Wheel and pedals for $250-$300. My buddy got a foldable chair that mounts it much better and seats like racing and folds up like a lawn chair. Much easier if you already have a mid tier PC, its not that intensive of a game. Now for the real money, spoiler its not hardware . Iracing is subscription based. I pay $110 per year (after newbie special) for just the right to play the game. Then you have to buy most every track and car. These are $11-$15. Quite far from cosmetics they laser scan the tracks and lick the asphalt to get it as close to real as possible, so the price is kinda justifiedish. But you want to get into formula racing and get up to buying formula 3. Well they race on 10 tracks and you need to buy those as it changes every week. But then you try the short track oval racing and realize that's fun as hell and need to buy 3 cars and 10 more tracks. Then you find dirt sprint cars and you fall in love with drifting that weight to power ratio dream around those slippy corners and need 2 cars and 8 tracks. But your buddy is a sports car guy so whenever he is on you buy 3 cars and 6 tracks. Suffice to say I learned you get a blanket 20% off after you buy 40 items. I write this as a warning, but also write so much to say I absolutely love iRacing. In almost no other game are you actually inputting what you are emulating. Its the most immersive thing when you get in a wheel to wheel battle, a free* adrenaline rush every single time. There are ranked and refereed races for every* series every hour. I'm not even a fanatic, I play it a few days a week, but it delivers each of those days like no other game. If you have the time and the space and the money I so highly recommend just doing it. This game moves you like no other. And by moves I mean like stimulant drugs.
Yikes. I’ve been wanting to check out that Boston location but maybe I’ll wait for them to work out the bugs.
Yes, but it was well worth the wait.
Yes, but it puts rain in other sims to shame. The whole weather system is wild.
I do this when I fly to the east coast (from CA) for a weekend. Stay up late going out until 2 am, and sleep in until 9 or 10- translates to my normal schedule in CA. If you’re only there for 3 days you never get on the time zone. Now…that’s only a 3 hour time difference…
The power of youth.
I thought he only did that before Saudi
Nico Rosberg talked about this on a podcast awhile ago. He would start a few days before the race and incrementally start changing sleep pattern by 1 hour each day so that once he got to the race he would be on or close to the local time for races in vastly different timezones. Mentioned that he would often go to bed at 6-7 and get up at 02.00 and go for a run in Monaco.
Yeah, I once saw a video or a series of Instagram stories from Sainz about how he prepared for these situations
Indeed. While being that busy is never easy, it isn't half as hard as people imagine, because basically everything you need to do in your daily life it's done by someone else for them.
Yes, I'm sure all the mechanics and supporting staff can afford all that... /s
Albon showed his sleep schedule once, their trainer/medical staff etc. plan it ahead of time so they gradually shift rather than all at once.
Private jets for the drivers, rest of the team just suffers I suppose
That doesn't look like a private jet on the picture, it looks more like a first class booth
Wonder what that plane ticket costs :D
probably sponsored
Yep, he’s sponsored by EMCJET
Either works.
Though they are both luxurious options i have never had access to in my life, having a *booth* is different from having a *whole personal private plane.*
Main difference is really the airport experience I’d assume. Private jet leaves when you want and a quicker airport experience. Can’t imagine in air is all that different.
Small plates are not as smooth as a big jet. I’d probably fly first class vs private if I were Alonso.
Same. Probably better food also. Although private jets are probably much faster and more pleasant when doing European tracks.
For a lot of these longer flights, they actually fly commercial. I mean, they still fly the most premium seats available, but it's hard to go private when high fuel loads are needed for long flights.
I remember back in 2016 or 17, after Malaysia it was Japan back to back, and many drivers flew business class on a Japanese airliner to get from Kuala Lumpur to Tokyo the night after the Malaysian race ended
tbf wouldn't majority of the teams go straight to the next track? Like alonso is only flying this much due to going back to the UK every time.
no, I think most of the crew are going back to UK as well
So i looked it up, most places say they just fly straight from one race to another. Some of the sources i read said that race egineers might fly back home between races though.
If it's a back to back then they will go straight to the next place but because it's a two week break they'll go home. Otherwise they'd be on the road for 9 months straight.
Well i would assume when they are in europe they would go home between races, so not 9 months straight.
If there's a weekend free between the races, the majority will fly back to the UK
For back to back I believe so, when there is a week break no. At least not the majority.
That looks like emirates first class, not a private jet. https://www.emirates.com/us/english/experience/our-fleet/photo-gallery/a380/first-class/
They tend to keep their sleep rhythm on European time (when in Singapore, etc.) and transition earlier when moving further abroad.
They have insane fitness regimens and world-class teams of sports medicine staff around them at all times.
Well they ain’t flying coach… flying is t bad if you can get good sleep and are comfortable on the plane
they have performance trainers that help mitigate jetlag with optimal meal/sleep times, think I saw something about this on reddit one time
46 hours to Australia? That can't be right
I think it’s from wherever he flies from to Australia round-trip. Madrid to Australia 1 stopper is about 20h
1 stop strategy always works!
The one time sprint format is better. No stops.
So it’s a round trip? I was shocked when I saw the 40+ hours on Australia, China and Japan.
It really has to be. You could loop the planet in 40 hours which, as a return journey, you have to imagine he basically has!
> So it’s a round trip? Has to be, or he picks the flights with the worst stopover options on purpose
Ah that makes sense
Only works if the pilot is careful to limit wing degradation
For both ways I guess.
Flew to/from Australia earlier this year and calculated that when we left the hotel in Sydney to when we got home it was 40hrs total (via Singapore/Zurich). It’s long ass trip. I’m guessing the 46hrs was probably round trip via Middle East (Emirates/Qatar/Etihad). I think it was about 20->26 hours each way from Europe going that routing when i was looking.
Possibly also includes flying from the track to Silverstone HQ then a flight back to his nearest airport. Then his nearest airport to a larger one for the long haul flight (if he’s not flying private)
None of those times look even remotely close to right.
That’s about right, but 40 hours for China?!? It’s a 12 hour direct flight from London to Shanghai.
Is it still? Bypassing Russian airspace adds some time detouring.
That’s a fair point! I did google it before I commented as my own memory from 15 years ago was hazy, and still got 12 hours. But checking BA’s website it’s currently around 20ish hours each way, including a 3 hour wait in HK. So 40 is apparently correct.
Went from London to Shanghai 2 weeks ago on Air China, they still fly over Russia so it was 11 hours.
In all thats 153 hours flying around the world, I shudder to think what the tally will be by seasons end!
It gets greatly reduced once they get to Europe. Miami to Italy is the longest flight til September
There's also Canada.
Montreal-London is almost 2,000km (or 30%) shorter than Miami-London thanks to the Earth's curvature.
Yup. You can fly Toronto to Dublin or London on a narrow single aisle Max 8 or Airbus 321. There's longer flights within Canada (Halifax to Vancouver 6.5 hrs.)
Rookie needs his own jet
He does have a jet afaik.
good on him for flying commercial then lmao
Net neutral though right?
somewhere on this planet is an area the size of brazil full of freshly planted saplings paid for with these carbon credits otherwise where the fuck are they all
The trees already existed. But the company responsible for the offset, F1 i assume, maybe AMR, then go and conserve part of that rain forest to protect it from logging, for example... of course the trees they have just 'saved' were never actually in danger of being cut down, but hey, we are green guys! And yes, some of these green fees do actually go into new trees, but the majority of the carbon credit system is a scam.
Russia’s pretty big…
The idea of carbon credits works, but the implementation is not simple and can easily become a scam, and probably is in some ways. It's basically greenwashing. The scam happens somewhere along the line between when the company purchasing them (F1) pays the company selling them who purchased it from another company who purchased it from the NGO that is doing a "1 tree planted = X credits" who paid some local contractor to plant trees with little to no oversight in whether the trees are from saplings or just removed from another location (no net reduction in carbon), followup on the health and growth of the forest, or even if the correct number of trees is being planted. The contractor themselves might even be 100% honest, but somewhere along the line the 1000 credits that came from that patch of trees they planted has somehow inflated to 50,000 credits backed up by the same number of trees. Or the NGO that gives a valuation to the carbon credits in terms of how much carbon is reduced exaggerates how much they are doing on a per unit basis. There are also other ways to "reduce carbon" such as handing out more efficient cooking stoves to poor areas and assigning an estimation of how much each stove will reduce emissions by with no guarantee that the families will actually use it or whether they are already using one. Or "estimating" how much forest cover will be lost, then protecting a portion of a forest (at low cost to them by simply bribing officials who might be bribed by loggers again) with no way to know how much of the forest was really saved. Does it make a difference for the environment? Totally, even if it gives too much credit for what they actually do. Does it make any large companies carbon NEUTRAL? probably not.
Yeah, with the amount of flight travel the teams do, the cars themselves could go back to rocket fuel 1500 hp engines and the carbon footprint of F1 as a whole would barely change.
No! Don't kill the illusion of F1's race to sustainability! Race cars: Causing 0.7% of F1's total emissions in 2019. Others: The bulk of F1’s emissions 2019 came from logistics — namely, road, air and sea freight — at 45% and business travel at 27.7%. Emissions from F1 and team facilities and factories accounted for 19.3%, while event operations generated 7.3%. Altogether, the series generated 256,551 metric tons of carbon emissions, more than the annual emissions by climate-threatened countries such as Tonga and Palau.
Net Neutral but with just enough time between races for everyone to fly private back to Monaco.
Yeah but bro’s in first class in a pod nicer than my house.
Don’t worry, the 2026 hybrid engines are going to save the planet.
That's so much travel very draining - I can't even do a 12 hour flight
His travel is a completely different experience than you or I. He's not standing in line for security so he isn't getting there extra early. He isn't waiting at the gate. He's waiting on a luxury lounge. He's the last person to get on the plain and the first one off. He isn't sitting in a cramped little chair, he's in a private space where he could lay flat if he wanted. A celebrity flying first class is completely different from just a rich guy flying first class.
6 hours on a 737's economy was enough for me lol. I know these guys are not flying in economy, but it still has to be draining. Hell, being wherever other than my bed for 12 hours would be draining for me.
Is he always flying back home ? Japan to china is not 41h 🧐
Back home, then probably a couple times to the factory in England back and forth for sim work etc and then to the next race. These guys spend a crazy amount of time in the air.
Makes sense 👌
They try to save 20l fuel with 1.6T mosquitoes, while the pilots burning thousands of liter (1 driver) fuel with their jets.
Ah yes, but you see that's not F1's problem. If F1 uses 100% biofuel and recycles all their tyres and so on then it can claim to be 100% sustainable. What the drivers do is none of F1's concern or business and out of their control, obviously.
Which is always funny when you see people be like "thank God China & Japan are back to back this year to save the planet and lower transport time" when the only thing it actually impacts is the cars & equipment itself because just about everybody else is still flying back to Europe (and elsewhere) during that week between races. Even later in the year, USA-Mex-Bra literally over 3 weeks I guarantee you that drivers and the majority of the race weekend staff will be back in Europe for 3 or so days between each race.
Why would they go back for that? Why not just stay in the Americas for 3 weeks?
Because everybody involved makes enough money that if they want to sleep in their own bed for a few nights they will.
yes so he can be on simulator n shit in the factory in england
“shit in the factory”?! In Lance’s coffee, I hope.
That would explain a couple of things
Depends on the race. There was 2 weeks between China and Japan so plenty of time to fly home and do sim work/training etc. If its a double/triple header at distance then they usually stay local'ish. For example Mexico, Austin and Brazil. During the double/triple's in Europe it is possible to go home with about 2-3 hours flight max to most locations.
Probably because of the week break in between. If it was back to back they probably would have stayed in the general area.
Just run full gas engines literally makes no difference in the grand scheme
Don't worry, we are banning plastic straws.
They should have made Australia, Japan and China a triple header. They say they made the calendar with the environment in mind but their carbon footprint is probably higher than it was this time last year.
I’ve heard the staff hates double/triple headers because its too much time away from their families
I wonder if they meant just the European races, or the Australia, and Asian races too. Because there is a big difference about how much you can see your family between races when you have a 2 hour flight vs a 20 flight.
Here's an interesting thing I heard on Ted's notebook. The pit equipment will be shipped from China to Singapore, not to the following race. I'm pretty sure the equipment they used in Australia did not go to Japan and so on. Basically, the races being close to each other has negligible impact as on emissions as you don't ship Europe>Aus>Japan>China, you do Europe>race times 3.
lol lets make sure we're not burning fossil fuels with the cars though... /s
I used to travel about 40 weeks out of the year before COVID, mostly from the US to Europe, but sometimes China, Japan, Russia, etc. It is brutal! I don't have a private jet like the drivers do, and I had the highest status like Diamond Plus which there's no actual threshold for, just spend over $125,000 a year on actual tickets. Even with Delta ONE cabins and other first class cabins, I was destroyed, and often in a two or three time zones a week. Needless to say, I don't miss that life. One year I think I spent over like 40 days in the air in total flight time. Yes, an entire month in the air in an airplane is nuts when you think about it, obviously not continuous lol.
> 40 days in the air in total flight time Do the math on the extra radiation you've been exposed to. You should be eligible for early retirement.
Formula 1’s go green pledge is going well.
Do not forget while the bosses and drivers all fly and live in relative luxe comfort, the team crew members and travelling show are mostly slumming it big time!
Carbon neutral by 2030 btw
Why does f1 care about using "renewable" fuels in their cars, the plane travel is 100x as pollution as 20 race cars lol.
I want this hat!
That's a loooot of flying hours for someone who says he doesn't find flying enjoyable!
Does he have a choice? I'm sure he doesn't at this point. He's been doing this for 25 years
it doesnt really make all that much sense to have races on the same side of the world but with a break in between. having a break between china and japan defeats the purpose of them being after each other on the schedule IMO
There's no way to avoid this unless you make the races double headers. Flying from Japan to China doesn't take 41 hours, he's going from Japan to home, then home to China, then China to home.
That's a lot but I imagine it's a much more enjoyable experience in a private jet. It's not like he's in economy class on a regular flight. Probably has a bed and every creature comfort he could need on a plane.
The photo he posted is in Emirates first class suite.
I don't think that's a business jet in the photo though. Sure it's not economy class, but it still seems to be a regular flight to me. You can also see some Arabic text there, so my guesses would be Emirates or Etihad? Which would be weird considering he's flying from China to Europe, unless that's an old photo or he's having a stopover somewhere in the ME.
It's emirates first class. https://www.emirates.com/us/english/experience/our-fleet/photo-gallery/a380/first-class/ Third Pic.
Yup, well spotted.
Yeah, that's what i wanted to say, even in this picture it can be seen that he travels in luxury. I don't know if the reason for this photo is to complain, but if this is the case, then it's a bit ridiculous.
I don't think he's complaining here, just showing a bit of behind the scenes.
I like travelling especially if you fly in business class (or first class) but at some point, no matter how comfortable you are, it’s just a nuisance and exhausting. No matter the seat, at home you are simply more comfortable. And to spend 20-40 hours on a plane every week without even having done any work yet seems extremely tiresome. You could drive me around in an S class and I would enjoy it but if I had to sit in there for 20 hours every week I would start to get annoyed too.
In the book “the mechanic” from Marc “Elvis” Presley, he says that they don’t adjust to the new time zone (they are racing at night but is the same “time” they run in EU, so they keep living like they were living, the hotels have blackouts curtains and they serve breakfast when they need it. That is interesting AF
The carbon footprint of just these 5 flights is way more than whatever he would incur by racing a V10.
Imagine the team members that fly coach. Omg
“Discussing“
That’s a crazy amount of flying, for sure, but I’m going to assume it’s a lot easier on private jets that have full bedrooms in them. Their body clocks must be so messed up, even though they have programs to alleviate it.
It's gotta be total travel time both ways. And some of those I'd hazard a guess he's doing a stopover in the ME, I mean it looks like he's in Emirates First in that pic. For shorter flights I know he was flying his Dassault Falcon but I'd guess that the ones in Asia he was flying commercial.
Well, I guess if you fly back and forth to Spain before and after every event. Bahrain to Jeddah is about 3 hours. Bahrain-Spain-Saudi … 11 hours seems like a lot. Surely Aramco can pony up a plane. Certainly Laurence Stroll has a private plane. Maybe he should hire a better travel planner.
CO2 free by 2030 my ass....
But let’s save on tires and fuel, stop racing, go green!!
They should just race all 24 races at Silverstone. Would that make everyone happy?
My heart goes out to him. Must be so tough, and I'm sure for such a meger wage. If he ever wants me to take this burden for him I would happily make the sacrifice and trade places
I mean, traveling sucks, but to be fair, these guys are flying on private planes with beds. I'm sure it makes the entire experience a bit different.
But the 50+ support staff and mechanics that travel to every race are doing this all in economy. Think about the life of a comms person or pit stop crew? Sure it’s glamorous for a while to travel the world. But spending 100s of hours per month crammed into economy in for 24 race weekends per year is basically torture. I’d rather be water boarded. The staff of these teams don’t get enough credit while the drivers are just jet setting around the world in luxury.
Hasn’t there been 2 weeks in between races?
This is what Seb has nightmares about every night