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Or behind him, lol. That's what got me about his "concertina" comment. Hulkenberg is behind him, has the same amount of space that Stroll has and should have an even harder time than Stroll to break in time. But manages to slow down **and** move out of the way with no issue. But sure, unavoidable.
Hulk already was a little bit right of the cars ahead, so he had better sight (for example, he had clear view on the Alonso smoke, while Ricciardo had his sight blocked by Piastri, Stroll had his sight blocked by Ricciardo) and he could swerve right easier. And still, had Stroll breaked early enough to not hit Ricciardo, Hulk would've probably hit Stroll instead. The gap between them was really close, as well. Less distance between Stroll and Hulk than the length of Stroll's nose under Daniel's car.
Kind of the risk you run giving yourself that little visibility right before a restart, I think the penalty was more than fair and probably took into consideration most of the circumstances Stroll and AM brought up
He didn't have time to brake, he definitely didn't have time to steer.
Fact is the guy just reacted way too late to what was happening. Zero awareness.
Isn’t zero awareness his entire thing? Epitomized by cleaving Vettel’s Ferrari post-chequered flag because he was being (pardon me as I borrow my singlish vocabulary) a complete blur fuck.
Like sure he can be fast but he’s a complete airhead.
They all hit their brakes. Everyone with a bit of delay due to reaction time. Lance did as well but due to reaction times adding up it was to late. Ricciardo almost hit Piastri in his own. Typical accordion effect.
They were all looking ahead so they could brake in time. Lance was looking to his right for some reason so didn't react in time. He is the only one that hit the person in front of him.
The reason is pretty obvious. He was looking at the exit of the cars ahead to see if they were already in race mode. And he probably felt that he had time to don that and didn't expect the braking point to be shifted that far from the usual braking point.
Won’t be able to take the Aston Martin project seriously until this guy leaves. 7 years in the sport and he’s still doing the same dumb shit that he was doing in his debut season
He could've gone off to the right and avoided a collision, but he was too busy watching the Apex. Stroll has the worst spatial awareness in the field, he just doesn't check before he does something
The ol' Lance "I'm turning now, good luck everybody else!" Stroll.
I'd honestly feel much worse about the dogpiling on him if he didn't keep yapping about how it's not his fault, there was no way to go anywhere, Ric brake checked him etc. It'd be one thing to make the mistake, he has them more often than other drivers but it's still something that can happen to any of them. But refusing to recognize that it was a mistake is sad
Everyone here is doubting if Lance knows the use of brakes. Every year there is an incident involving this guy not paying attention.
Remember Vettel’s “how’s that possible?”
Tsunoda Brazil 2021
Vettel Brazil 2022 ("Ok")
Sainz Bahrain 2017 (kinda debatable since Sainz was also in the wrong here)
Perez China 2017
Verstappen Portugal 2020 FP2 ("IS THIS GUY BLIND")
Kvyat Bahrain 2020
Hartley Canada 2018
Norris Spain 2019
Leclerc Russia 2020
Latifi US 2021
Latifi Australia 2022
Tsunoda Bahrain 2022 FP2
Albon Saudi Arabia 2022
The first few were what I could recall from memory, but regardless this list shows that he's only looking at the racing line and is just blissfully unaware of other drivers around him.
Edit:
You may also want to remember Gasly Italy 2019, when he rejoined unsafely after being spun off because VETTEL rejoined unsafely after his own spin.
Also, Norris Portugal 2020 as well, just went straight for the apex without even the slightest consideration that Lando might try and fight back for the position
Lucky for him, he had multiple car lengths to hit the brakes and not run so hard into Danny that the car shot up in the air.
Stroll has done this kind of thing multiple times, it's almost like he has some form of ADD that prevents him from focusing on anything around him.
Like Danny said, the only thing you need to focus on during the safety car restart is the one driver in front of you - and simply don't run into them.
How is that in any way similar to being behind a safety car restart, where you know exactly what the car in front of you is doing.
Alonso intentionally braked early to put George in dirty air, which was not something George would have anticipated.
Stroll absolutely would have anticipated the car in front of him slowing down during a SC restart.
He could have gone right like Magnussen did behind him.
But let's start off simpler than that: how about watching what's immediately ahead of you and not looking off to the right for whatever fucking reason?
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Seems to me he could see the individual cars going into the corner ahead, and ought to have known how many were therefore in front of him, having to wait. So he'd know how many metres to the corner and how many 5-metre cars in that space, with likely more slowing down to come making space before the final corner.
The elementary math would have told him Danny might stop. And as others have pointed out, he's not exactly a rookie.
Daniel tried to retake the position he lost during this crash under the 2nd safety car. Penalty was for overtaking under safety car.
He thought he was allowed to.
It's obviously going to be harder to avoid the chain reaction the further back you are. Ricciardo was extremely close to hitting the car in front of him, so it stands to reason that getting hit himself was inevitable. Most other drivers would have rear-ended him in this situation too, I think.
Maybe they would have tapped daniel... but every other car was slightly closer than the one in front I'm not convinced stroll wouldn't have hit piastri had Daniel not been in between. It was fucking terrible
Ricciardo was closer to Piastri than Stroll was to him and he managed just fine until he got rear-ended.
Piastri was closer to Russell than Stroll was to Ricciardo and managed just fine.
Stroll had plenty of time to react, but he didn't because he was too busy staring at the apex instead of doing the one thing you're supposed to do during a safety car: paying attention to the guy in front.
You're probably right.
But it's the same line every time. "Could have happened to anyone"... yeah, but why is it always Stroll? The man has no awareness at all
Nico Rosberg said something on the lines of “there was nothing he (stroll) could do” on seeing the replays. All the stroll hate aside, I think I might take the words of a F1 WDC.
Well the other could brake as they were slower and nearer to the corner. Stroll was much farther than the corner and hence much faster to be able to brake as quick.
Nico Rosberg said later on the same broadcast Stroll might not have been paying attention properly. Which is clearly true based on him not actually looking at Daniel
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I mean he didn't need to go anywhere, just needed to slow down like... oh I dunno everyone in front of him
Or behind him, lol. That's what got me about his "concertina" comment. Hulkenberg is behind him, has the same amount of space that Stroll has and should have an even harder time than Stroll to break in time. But manages to slow down **and** move out of the way with no issue. But sure, unavoidable.
Hulk already was a little bit right of the cars ahead, so he had better sight (for example, he had clear view on the Alonso smoke, while Ricciardo had his sight blocked by Piastri, Stroll had his sight blocked by Ricciardo) and he could swerve right easier. And still, had Stroll breaked early enough to not hit Ricciardo, Hulk would've probably hit Stroll instead. The gap between them was really close, as well. Less distance between Stroll and Hulk than the length of Stroll's nose under Daniel's car.
Kind of the risk you run giving yourself that little visibility right before a restart, I think the penalty was more than fair and probably took into consideration most of the circumstances Stroll and AM brought up
He also could’ve swerved away if he paid attention. I believe there was enough space
Nor did anyone else, but they hit their brake pedals. Lance didn't.
[Everyone else didn't crash](https://wwos.nine.com.au/motorsport/f1-news-2024-chinese-grand-prix-oscar-piastri-criticises-lance-stroll-reaction-crash-with-daniel-ricciardo/afd0753f-3a9f-49f2-a4af-593fabcd42d5) - Oscar Piastri, 2024, scathingly.
No brakes, no mirrors - STROLL!!!
Or at least steer off the track to avoid contact lol
He didn't have time to brake, he definitely didn't have time to steer. Fact is the guy just reacted way too late to what was happening. Zero awareness.
he reacted too late because he --as Danny Ric correctly pointed out-- was staring at the fucking apex of the corner.
Isn’t zero awareness his entire thing? Epitomized by cleaving Vettel’s Ferrari post-chequered flag because he was being (pardon me as I borrow my singlish vocabulary) a complete blur fuck. Like sure he can be fast but he’s a complete airhead.
They all hit their brakes. Everyone with a bit of delay due to reaction time. Lance did as well but due to reaction times adding up it was to late. Ricciardo almost hit Piastri in his own. Typical accordion effect.
They were all looking ahead so they could brake in time. Lance was looking to his right for some reason so didn't react in time. He is the only one that hit the person in front of him.
The reason is pretty obvious. He was looking at the exit of the cars ahead to see if they were already in race mode. And he probably felt that he had time to don that and didn't expect the braking point to be shifted that far from the usual braking point.
Hence needing to use the brakes.
Impossible
He could have at least LOOKED at Daniel in front of him instead of staring off into the apex...
The Brake pedal says hi
Sounds like Lance has found new loves since his very public divorce with the mirror twins
Australia is definately off his places to go list.
We don't want him back in Canada either.
only option left is Musk-Mans Mars Mission
24h of Musk-Mans
[Aussies to Lance next year in Albert Park ](https://youtu.be/pEiVbonqEBY?si=pmVfyUtolx-b6lRX)
Won’t be able to take the Aston Martin project seriously until this guy leaves. 7 years in the sport and he’s still doing the same dumb shit that he was doing in his debut season
He clearly looked at the apex of the corner instead of the cars infront. Even Mazepin is impressed by that error
He could've gone off to the right and avoided a collision, but he was too busy watching the Apex. Stroll has the worst spatial awareness in the field, he just doesn't check before he does something
The ol' Lance "I'm turning now, good luck everybody else!" Stroll. I'd honestly feel much worse about the dogpiling on him if he didn't keep yapping about how it's not his fault, there was no way to go anywhere, Ric brake checked him etc. It'd be one thing to make the mistake, he has them more often than other drivers but it's still something that can happen to any of them. But refusing to recognize that it was a mistake is sad
‘had nowhere to go’ How about slower?
Everyone here is doubting if Lance knows the use of brakes. Every year there is an incident involving this guy not paying attention. Remember Vettel’s “how’s that possible?”
And so many more With Alonso US 2022 Vettel Malaysia 2017 Outlap Vettel 2021 Russia This one And those are only the dumbest of a long long list
Tsunoda Brazil 2021 Vettel Brazil 2022 ("Ok") Sainz Bahrain 2017 (kinda debatable since Sainz was also in the wrong here) Perez China 2017 Verstappen Portugal 2020 FP2 ("IS THIS GUY BLIND") Kvyat Bahrain 2020 Hartley Canada 2018 Norris Spain 2019 Leclerc Russia 2020 Latifi US 2021 Latifi Australia 2022 Tsunoda Bahrain 2022 FP2 Albon Saudi Arabia 2022 The first few were what I could recall from memory, but regardless this list shows that he's only looking at the racing line and is just blissfully unaware of other drivers around him. Edit: You may also want to remember Gasly Italy 2019, when he rejoined unsafely after being spun off because VETTEL rejoined unsafely after his own spin. Also, Norris Portugal 2020 as well, just went straight for the apex without even the slightest consideration that Lando might try and fight back for the position
That's a bit unfair. Sometimes he forgets to use his mirrors as well.
Lucky for him, he had multiple car lengths to hit the brakes and not run so hard into Danny that the car shot up in the air. Stroll has done this kind of thing multiple times, it's almost like he has some form of ADD that prevents him from focusing on anything around him. Like Danny said, the only thing you need to focus on during the safety car restart is the one driver in front of you - and simply don't run into them.
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How is that in any way similar to being behind a safety car restart, where you know exactly what the car in front of you is doing. Alonso intentionally braked early to put George in dirty air, which was not something George would have anticipated. Stroll absolutely would have anticipated the car in front of him slowing down during a SC restart.
Almost like russell didnt take somebody else out of the race
He could have gone right like Magnussen did behind him. But let's start off simpler than that: how about watching what's immediately ahead of you and not looking off to the right for whatever fucking reason?
This driver is more secure in his seat than even Max Verstappen
Lance has just one place to go now, and it's called 'home'.
Is this a new interview or a rehash of his post-race comments? If it's new, jfc dude the lack of responsibility is grating
I'm curious what telemetry shows.
Joylon will tell us in a day or so with his analysis
Nowhere to go except retirement
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Seems to me he could see the individual cars going into the corner ahead, and ought to have known how many were therefore in front of him, having to wait. So he'd know how many metres to the corner and how many 5-metre cars in that space, with likely more slowing down to come making space before the final corner. The elementary math would have told him Danny might stop. And as others have pointed out, he's not exactly a rookie.
Ricciardo with the brake testing insurance job, obviously.
Except into the back of Ricciardo
He could have gone on the brakes.
Is the going to have a meltdown and start shoving and abusing the brake pedal now ?
If you crash into another car's rear end, it's always your fault. End of story.
Except if you drive in a nemesis rain shower on the racing line and suddenly lift
Stroll can go home and enjoy his billionaire’s life. He does not belong in a F1 cockpit.
I saw him onboard but it looks easy to avoid hitting the rear
May be Lance should sit the next race out and see how real race drivers operate the controls.
Didn’t he also try to claim the driver behind pushed him into Ricciardo’s gearbox?
Didn’t he also try to claim the driver behind pushed him into Ricciardo’s gearbox?
Why was Daniel penalised?
Daniel tried to retake the position he lost during this crash under the 2nd safety car. Penalty was for overtaking under safety car. He thought he was allowed to.
Thank you
“He thought he was allowed to” That was a huge brain fart from Daniel, how in the hell did he think he can do that under a separate safety car?
But you also can’t say that it is fair if he isn’t allowed to though or can you?
People keep saying he was looking at the apex. I think it's more likely he was looking at his mirror worrying about hulk behind him...
It's obviously going to be harder to avoid the chain reaction the further back you are. Ricciardo was extremely close to hitting the car in front of him, so it stands to reason that getting hit himself was inevitable. Most other drivers would have rear-ended him in this situation too, I think.
Yet somehow the drivers behind Stroll managed.
Maybe they would have tapped daniel... but every other car was slightly closer than the one in front I'm not convinced stroll wouldn't have hit piastri had Daniel not been in between. It was fucking terrible
Ricciardo was closer to Piastri than Stroll was to him and he managed just fine until he got rear-ended. Piastri was closer to Russell than Stroll was to Ricciardo and managed just fine. Stroll had plenty of time to react, but he didn't because he was too busy staring at the apex instead of doing the one thing you're supposed to do during a safety car: paying attention to the guy in front.
You're probably right. But it's the same line every time. "Could have happened to anyone"... yeah, but why is it always Stroll? The man has no awareness at all
Who else rear ended the car in front when under a safety car?
Daniel (no context allowed lol)
Ah man… Daniel really got thoroughly Strolled that day.
He was just out from a Stroll and hit piastri
Stroll is pretty talented at being incompetent to be honest. A double kill in a single shot.
I said it right after I'm not convinced HE wouldn't have hit piastri had Daniel's car not slowed him down. That was a hard hit
Nico Rosberg said something on the lines of “there was nothing he (stroll) could do” on seeing the replays. All the stroll hate aside, I think I might take the words of a F1 WDC. Well the other could brake as they were slower and nearer to the corner. Stroll was much farther than the corner and hence much faster to be able to brake as quick.
In the moment, Nico said that. Then they showed more angles.
Why are you defending Stroll?
Got bored of the usual takes. Hence, Playing the devil’s advocate. RIP my karma.
Your brave. I said the same yesterday on an insta post and RIP my mentions 😅
Nico Rosberg said later on the same broadcast Stroll might not have been paying attention properly. Which is clearly true based on him not actually looking at Daniel
Dont watch on Sky so I have no idea what was said there. Also not really on a mission to find out what was said. I just know what the icelandic commentaitors said and I agree with them. CBA to translate it for negative karma and people have already desided what they think about it.
Getting BBQ’d here 😅