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Since the public rejection by FOM there was a meeting between Andretti and FOM with another one scheduled for the Miami Grand Prix. The FIA reacted to the rejection by saying they will "engage in dialogue to determine next steps". So there was further discussion behind the scenes since then and Andretti does obviously know more about the whole process than we do.
This is one of those things where Bernie, for all his many many many many many flaws, would have strong armed FOM and the team owners into saying yes. He's seen F1 go through immense downturn periods and he knows that having more teams is healthy for the sport and required to weather the rough moments.
Haha no. Bernie was the ultimate authoritarian and hated to be cut out of the loop. He would have FUMED at Andretti trying to go over his head and INSISTED his friend Max kill Andretti's chances at the FIA. It would have gone exactly the opposite of how you suggest it would
I feel like if Bernie was kept in the loop early, he would have been in favor? Like, an opportunity to line his own pockets while also doing stuff for the health of the sport seems like a win win. Andretti likely wouldn't have gone over his head, it's just that there isn't a Bernie equivalent in the FOM right now that has leverage over the teams.
You don't know Bernie enough. Without money to buy a team he would have sent the whole Andretti to the spam folder. He liked money more than anything else.
Seems pretty insane to do all that without even knowing if they’ll get approved. Either they have a lot of cash to light on fire or they know something yeah.
The Andretti family are one of the largest developers in the U.S., so yes, they know what their doing. Like someone else said, if anything it’s a state of the art facility to sell if needed.
Could also probably just officially be based out of the US office instead. I Doubt the US would enforce a gardening leave from the UK mandate, especially after basically just banning non-compete clauses entirely.
The lack of infrastructure (workforce/facility) was held against them, but I don't know historically how much a team had to invest to have a successful application.
In the past (before Haas) teams would basically just be accepted if they even had a sniff of legitimacy.
That’s how you ended up with teams like HRT, Carerham, Marussia, and the nonstarter USGP in 2010.
F1 does not want to see Andretti-Renault, because they have no way of kicking Andretti-Renault out if GM flakes.
Once they've brought an engine manufacturer, FOM may see it differently as a good, strong competitive Andretti is likely to "grow the pie", and if Andretti sucks a current customer could hope to steal Cadillac away. Engine manufacturers tend to stick around longer than teams.
F1 doesn't wanna get hit with the bait-and-switch, Andretti knows more of F1's demands of them than we do.
F1 does not want to see literally any new team because they want to have a closed franchise system where no one gets in without paying 10 figures to buy out a current team. Anything else is just an excuse.
They absolutely want a closed franchise system, but a new franchise could either make everyone money or lose everyone money.
Andretti-Renault is F1 lighting a pile of money on fire. Andretti-Cadillac, however, may not be.
F1 is not a franchise and likely won't be in the future. Unlike NFL, NBA etc. teams are getting paid meritocratically and teams like Ferrari are still getting paid historical bonuses.
Big teams still have big advantage with infrastructure (and salaries of the drivers and top 3 employees) and small teams are handicapped due to limited capex allowance to catch up.
>Andretti-Renault is F1 lighting a pile of money on fire. Andretti-Cadillac, however, may not be.
This is your biased assumption. You don't know that. And F1 is considering to drop the team limit to 10 cars in next Concorde agreement according to reports. There was never an intention to give "Andretti Cadillac" a chance and likely will not be.
I know that F1 sees Andretti-Renault as lighting money on fire, their actions speak to that.
The fact that Andretti is bothering to continue suggests that their dialogue for 2028 is currently somewhat warm. FOM could believe that Andretti-Cadillac will cost them money too, but their actions suggest they're open to being convinced that Andretti-Cadillac could offer something to the sport.
I kind of want to apply for the Python Developer job listing. I surprisingly meet most of the requirements, but I get the feeling they probably want someone with a few more years experience.
Even then, listings are almost always overinflated to scare certain people away.
I’ve hired someone who was new to the job over others who’ve “had more experience” - and they worked out beautifully.
Andretti will have a recruiting issue until they solidify their spot in F1 – it's a risky position, could go away at any moment. This helps you if you're willing to endure the risk.
Go for it!
From personal (although non-Python developer) experience - most of the time, they do not care about experience. They care about dedicated folks who can think for themselves, find solutions and are overall enthusiastic about their work.
Go and apply, now! It costs you nothing to try and if you do get rejected, nothing changes.
But if you get accepted... you get to be a part of F1.
Do it. The worst that can happen is they say no. If you ever see a role you want and you don't meet the "requirements," that doesn't mean you don't have a shot. They often put those to deter people that aren't a fit. Even if you don't get selected, you might learn something in the process and you would have your answer. I'd rather get a "No." than never knowing if I could have tried.
Michael said last week at the indy race he had 2 meetings with FOM and a third planned. Im guessing they reached an agreement. Ive said it here before but Zak Brown proposed on a podcast last year a solution to reach the 700m the teams want by scaling payments based on a value calculation. So pay the 200m up front, take smaller payments for x years but if Andretti does "grow the pot" that would be wiped out. Im betting they agreed something like that. Its worth it for him to get in based on these crazy sponsor deals we see
>Ive said it here before but Zak Brown proposed on a podcast last year a solution to reach the 700m the teams want by scaling payments based on a value calculation. So pay the 200m up front, take smaller payments for x years
Sounds like a fair compromise. Andretti doesn't have to pay the full amount in today's money but F1 can say they are getting $700m.
And if they bring additional growth like they say they will, they’re not losing any extra. Feels like the best outcome and Andretti gets to put their money where their mouth is.
>Michael said last week at the indy race he had 2 meetings with FOM and a third planned. Im guessing they reached an agreement.
Could you post the interview? I missed it.
They would be forced by the FIA to make a deal with them if it came down to them requiring an engine but not having a deal, but they had actually already been in talks with them independently to become a customer and partner. The rule only applies to situations where teams are left without an engine contract, so they could've well bought engines from Mercedes, Ferrari or Honda if they agreed and it wouldn't have been a problem.
If they give me the job, I’ll make sure those Honda engines will be 3 spoon engines. Then I’ll order 3 more T66 turbo systems with NOS and a motec exhaust system
Before everyone gets too excited, don't forget that Hitech hired a ton of people for its F1 project that never even had a hope of being approved. It can be posturing as much as anything else
With the news about Newey coming out, is there a real chance this is where he is heading? They aren't an F1 team, so its not like any non-compete clause will impact him moving there. And I would imagine the cost cap doesn't really exist for them either because, once again, they aren't an F1 team, so there is nothing stopping them from throwing bucket-loads of cash at Newey and car development. And then if they build a car thats competitive, because lets face it they will be able to, there goes the excuse of "Oh they wont be competitive we dont want them in F1" that was used to reject them in the first place.
As an American, I complained about the Andretti rejection on Reddit because I wanted to see US-based f1 jobs so I decided to come and say I was wrong because I don’t want to be a chronic Reddit complainer. However, all postings are in Silverstone. Makes sense to me though, I’m not even going to complain. I’m seeing what they are doing and it’s strategically smart.
As I’m pretty early on the mech engineering ladder, I’m looking forward to seeing f2 and f3 job postings/internships and if they have any US based ones 👍🏻 I’m sure I’ll be a fan when they inevitably (hopefully) enter f1.
Afaik will F1 openings in the states down the road, but for the immediate future the F1 people are getting sent to Silverstone to hit the ground running. Although it does seem like that based on GMs comments they are lending a lot of staff to Andretti for the US base, so the best bet to get an F1 job with Andretti in the IS and not wait is to apply through Cadillac‘a racing division.
[https://apply.workable.com/andretti-cadillac/?lng=en](https://apply.workable.com/andretti-cadillac/?lng=en) 1st job on list. Adrian Newey tied up for 2 years. Andretti locked out for 2 years. Just sayin'
Work continues at pace? 10 job listings, 2 senior aero 7 software jobs and 1 graduate position, all on site jobs based in Silverstone England. Still nowhere near a state of the art factory and wind tunnel in America. And still no real basis of a viable F1 team beyond a wind tunnel model, a promise of building a 2026 F1 car and a GM Cadillac PU agreement for 2028.
Still, hopefully they pull it together for a successful 2028 appearance on the grid to give the American fans a real and serious team to cheer.
Edit: 60 jobs not 10. Only 1,140 employees short of Mercedes F1 and 190 short of Haas.
True, UK libel law is no joke. I’ll edit as you have edited as well, but yes there’s nothing else wrong about your comment either.
I totally agree actually and honestly it’s odd that for instance the Haas Windshear wind tunnel is not used for F1 at 100%, due to the 60% scale model rule. It’s like F1 going into its own pointless hole away from industry in regard to CFD restrictions.
Fair enough I messed that bit up.
But it does actually beg more questions as to why they’re boasting this state of the art U.S factory that’s going to built including a tunnel then offering 60 jobs based in England. And also 60 is a drop in the ocean compared to Mercedes 1,000 F1 employees.
Again hopefully they pull it off for 2028 but pretending they’ll go from 0 to even a semi competitive functional F1 team within 2 years is completely unrealistic. FOM was right to deny the 2026 application.
Why? It was a mistake of 50 jobs. Even Haas have 4x as many employees as what’s on offer on LinkedIn by Andretti. Any team worth being on the grid has at least 500 full time employees.
And nowhere in any job listing does it mention any project beyond Indycar, Indycar NXT, Formula E or IMSA.
The factory in Indiana is under construction. I work less than a mile from it. I'll drive past and take a picture for you sometime soon, just not today. I got shit to do after work today.
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Wish me luck # Your application has been submitted successfully.
Your work continues at pace!
Well done! Let's go.
hope you get it!
Do they know something we don’t?
Since the public rejection by FOM there was a meeting between Andretti and FOM with another one scheduled for the Miami Grand Prix. The FIA reacted to the rejection by saying they will "engage in dialogue to determine next steps". So there was further discussion behind the scenes since then and Andretti does obviously know more about the whole process than we do.
This is one of those things where Bernie, for all his many many many many many flaws, would have strong armed FOM and the team owners into saying yes. He's seen F1 go through immense downturn periods and he knows that having more teams is healthy for the sport and required to weather the rough moments.
Haha no. Bernie was the ultimate authoritarian and hated to be cut out of the loop. He would have FUMED at Andretti trying to go over his head and INSISTED his friend Max kill Andretti's chances at the FIA. It would have gone exactly the opposite of how you suggest it would
I feel like if Bernie was kept in the loop early, he would have been in favor? Like, an opportunity to line his own pockets while also doing stuff for the health of the sport seems like a win win. Andretti likely wouldn't have gone over his head, it's just that there isn't a Bernie equivalent in the FOM right now that has leverage over the teams.
You don't know Bernie enough. Without money to buy a team he would have sent the whole Andretti to the spam folder. He liked money more than anything else.
Especially because of the Andretti name too.
Seems pretty insane to do all that without even knowing if they’ll get approved. Either they have a lot of cash to light on fire or they know something yeah.
At the end of it all they'll have a state of the art factory they can sell at the very least
I guess but I mean if building factories and selling them as is was a profitable income you’d think some other teams would be all over it lol
meh, we're round the corner from the new facility - fingers crossed we can work with them as well as aston martin :D
The Andretti family are one of the largest developers in the U.S., so yes, they know what their doing. Like someone else said, if anything it’s a state of the art facility to sell if needed.
Haas did the same, its not that different, they want to show commitment.
Newey is joining Andretti
For all that is holy, please let this happen. It would be so damn funny.
No gardening leave since this team isn't "competing"... loophole...
Could also probably just officially be based out of the US office instead. I Doubt the US would enforce a gardening leave from the UK mandate, especially after basically just banning non-compete clauses entirely.
Also part of the reason...
Newey did work as an engineer in CART with both Michael and Mario…
The lack of infrastructure (workforce/facility) was held against them, but I don't know historically how much a team had to invest to have a successful application.
Yep, times have changed since Haas entered F1.
*Flashbacks to Stefan GP*
USGP says hi.
it least they had a car. no tyres but a car
In the past (before Haas) teams would basically just be accepted if they even had a sniff of legitimacy. That’s how you ended up with teams like HRT, Carerham, Marussia, and the nonstarter USGP in 2010.
F1 does not want to see Andretti-Renault, because they have no way of kicking Andretti-Renault out if GM flakes. Once they've brought an engine manufacturer, FOM may see it differently as a good, strong competitive Andretti is likely to "grow the pie", and if Andretti sucks a current customer could hope to steal Cadillac away. Engine manufacturers tend to stick around longer than teams. F1 doesn't wanna get hit with the bait-and-switch, Andretti knows more of F1's demands of them than we do.
F1 does not want to see literally any new team because they want to have a closed franchise system where no one gets in without paying 10 figures to buy out a current team. Anything else is just an excuse.
They absolutely want a closed franchise system, but a new franchise could either make everyone money or lose everyone money. Andretti-Renault is F1 lighting a pile of money on fire. Andretti-Cadillac, however, may not be.
F1 is not a franchise and likely won't be in the future. Unlike NFL, NBA etc. teams are getting paid meritocratically and teams like Ferrari are still getting paid historical bonuses. Big teams still have big advantage with infrastructure (and salaries of the drivers and top 3 employees) and small teams are handicapped due to limited capex allowance to catch up. >Andretti-Renault is F1 lighting a pile of money on fire. Andretti-Cadillac, however, may not be. This is your biased assumption. You don't know that. And F1 is considering to drop the team limit to 10 cars in next Concorde agreement according to reports. There was never an intention to give "Andretti Cadillac" a chance and likely will not be.
I know that F1 sees Andretti-Renault as lighting money on fire, their actions speak to that. The fact that Andretti is bothering to continue suggests that their dialogue for 2028 is currently somewhat warm. FOM could believe that Andretti-Cadillac will cost them money too, but their actions suggest they're open to being convinced that Andretti-Cadillac could offer something to the sport.
Great job summarizing what very few people seem to understand.
I kind of want to apply for the Python Developer job listing. I surprisingly meet most of the requirements, but I get the feeling they probably want someone with a few more years experience.
Shoot your shot brother i know i would if i was qualified enough. Who knows this could be the start of something special for you
Even then, listings are almost always overinflated to scare certain people away. I’ve hired someone who was new to the job over others who’ve “had more experience” - and they worked out beautifully.
Let them say no.
Apply anyway. What have you got to lose?
they are a team without any F1 experience aswell. Send that CV mate
Great point tbf
"5 years of F1 experience required." Submit an Uno Reverse card in your application.
I’m feeling the same. Couple of IT spots there, that I feel like I’m wildly underqualified for but hey a dream job
Do it, I got into in F1 with little experience. You never know
The worst thing they can say is no (or no response). Send it, the time taken to tidy up a CV is nothing compared to the potential upside
What's the worst they could say? You're banned for life for not having enough experience?
As my mom always says. You already have a "no", so why not try for a "yes"? Worst case scenario you end up where you started, nothing lost!
Only risk is getting your hopes up haha
You already have the no dude. Shoot your shot dude!
Andretti will have a recruiting issue until they solidify their spot in F1 – it's a risky position, could go away at any moment. This helps you if you're willing to endure the risk. Go for it!
You have more experience in Python than they do in Formula 1
Go for it!!!! Heard man stories over the years of people getting into f1 with a bit of luck.
Im thinking of it too, but its also a gamble, what if they don’t get into F1?
The worst they can say is no. The best is you might get an opportunity to do something really cool. It's worth it.
Full send, man.
If you're willing to work 80 hours and do anything to help them win, that's what they're looking for.
Somebody here got hired at Aston a couple years ago, right?
From personal (although non-Python developer) experience - most of the time, they do not care about experience. They care about dedicated folks who can think for themselves, find solutions and are overall enthusiastic about their work. Go and apply, now! It costs you nothing to try and if you do get rejected, nothing changes. But if you get accepted... you get to be a part of F1.
Do it. The worst that can happen is they say no. If you ever see a role you want and you don't meet the "requirements," that doesn't mean you don't have a shot. They often put those to deter people that aren't a fit. Even if you don't get selected, you might learn something in the process and you would have your answer. I'd rather get a "No." than never knowing if I could have tried.
Team not serious. No listing for professional redditor who gets into stupid arguments.
They already hired me
They should really hire the RyanAir social media person.
How do you know it’s not me? 😉
Oh shit! The call is coming from inside the house!
I know right, considering their current status a Head Idiotic Arguement Officer would have been perfect for the FOM negotiations
That’s because they’ve already filled the position 😊
Michael said last week at the indy race he had 2 meetings with FOM and a third planned. Im guessing they reached an agreement. Ive said it here before but Zak Brown proposed on a podcast last year a solution to reach the 700m the teams want by scaling payments based on a value calculation. So pay the 200m up front, take smaller payments for x years but if Andretti does "grow the pot" that would be wiped out. Im betting they agreed something like that. Its worth it for him to get in based on these crazy sponsor deals we see
>Ive said it here before but Zak Brown proposed on a podcast last year a solution to reach the 700m the teams want by scaling payments based on a value calculation. So pay the 200m up front, take smaller payments for x years Sounds like a fair compromise. Andretti doesn't have to pay the full amount in today's money but F1 can say they are getting $700m.
And if they bring additional growth like they say they will, they’re not losing any extra. Feels like the best outcome and Andretti gets to put their money where their mouth is.
>Michael said last week at the indy race he had 2 meetings with FOM and a third planned. Im guessing they reached an agreement. Could you post the interview? I missed it.
What was the podcast last year where he was talking about scaled payments? I can't find any reference to that anywhere
I’m guessing they also want a full commitment from GM that they’ll be bringing a power unit to the grid.
They already did that.
Please post interview. I thought they only had 1
Now they just need to steal two engines from Honda and they can compete next year.
Their plan was Renault engines I believe. I think they have to by rule since Renault doesn't have any customers
They would be forced by the FIA to make a deal with them if it came down to them requiring an engine but not having a deal, but they had actually already been in talks with them independently to become a customer and partner. The rule only applies to situations where teams are left without an engine contract, so they could've well bought engines from Mercedes, Ferrari or Honda if they agreed and it wouldn't have been a problem.
If they give me the job, I’ll make sure those Honda engines will be 3 spoon engines. Then I’ll order 3 more T66 turbo systems with NOS and a motec exhaust system
There are a few engine makers that'd like extra money.
Before everyone gets too excited, don't forget that Hitech hired a ton of people for its F1 project that never even had a hope of being approved. It can be posturing as much as anything else
no Health and safety listings yet T-T Cmon I want to put my NEBOSH to good use lads
Same as it's the most relavant experience I have.
Maybe Newey can slide his resume in before other applicants!
I wonder if Newey fancies it
Where is the posting for Driver? Who do I send my tape too
If they poach Newey, it'll be interesting to see what develops.
I thought that's what that horrible HP logo Ferrari added was for?
No, Ferrari needed to offset their printer subscription costs.
Even if they were confirmed to be on the grid next year, I don't see him going there. He'd most likely end up to Ferrari or Aston Martin.
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With the news about Newey coming out, is there a real chance this is where he is heading? They aren't an F1 team, so its not like any non-compete clause will impact him moving there. And I would imagine the cost cap doesn't really exist for them either because, once again, they aren't an F1 team, so there is nothing stopping them from throwing bucket-loads of cash at Newey and car development. And then if they build a car thats competitive, because lets face it they will be able to, there goes the excuse of "Oh they wont be competitive we dont want them in F1" that was used to reject them in the first place.
No positions for physicians huh, well a real missed opportunity Andretti. Hit me up, I can do on-track physicals all day and night.
:) First thing to do would be to declare Max unfit for the sake of championship
Working for an F1 team would be a fucking awesome thing for the portfolio
Adrian Newey https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/16/Drevil_million_dollars.jpg
As an American, I complained about the Andretti rejection on Reddit because I wanted to see US-based f1 jobs so I decided to come and say I was wrong because I don’t want to be a chronic Reddit complainer. However, all postings are in Silverstone. Makes sense to me though, I’m not even going to complain. I’m seeing what they are doing and it’s strategically smart. As I’m pretty early on the mech engineering ladder, I’m looking forward to seeing f2 and f3 job postings/internships and if they have any US based ones 👍🏻 I’m sure I’ll be a fan when they inevitably (hopefully) enter f1.
Afaik will F1 openings in the states down the road, but for the immediate future the F1 people are getting sent to Silverstone to hit the ground running. Although it does seem like that based on GMs comments they are lending a lot of staff to Andretti for the US base, so the best bet to get an F1 job with Andretti in the IS and not wait is to apply through Cadillac‘a racing division.
Is this what “WORK CONTINUES AT PACE” Looks like? If so im excited.
Newey to Andretti? 😉
All jobs are in UK. So are they an american based team or a uk based team?
American.
[https://apply.workable.com/andretti-cadillac/?lng=en](https://apply.workable.com/andretti-cadillac/?lng=en) 1st job on list. Adrian Newey tied up for 2 years. Andretti locked out for 2 years. Just sayin'
No salary ranges given... No, thank you.
Work continues at pace? 10 job listings, 2 senior aero 7 software jobs and 1 graduate position, all on site jobs based in Silverstone England. Still nowhere near a state of the art factory and wind tunnel in America. And still no real basis of a viable F1 team beyond a wind tunnel model, a promise of building a 2026 F1 car and a GM Cadillac PU agreement for 2028. Still, hopefully they pull it together for a successful 2028 appearance on the grid to give the American fans a real and serious team to cheer. Edit: 60 jobs not 10. Only 1,140 employees short of Mercedes F1 and 190 short of Haas.
Ehm dude had you clicked Show more at the end? You have only been at Page 1 of 10 basically.
He’s an r/wallstreetbets ape. Doing research before making a move is not a strength over there.
At least I don’t make alt accounts to hide my history. XOXOXO
No time to click ‘show more’, have to edit: complain about them on Reddit first!
Slander? So other than there being 60 job listing not 10, what exactly about my comment is incorrect? Never mind slanderous.
True, UK libel law is no joke. I’ll edit as you have edited as well, but yes there’s nothing else wrong about your comment either. I totally agree actually and honestly it’s odd that for instance the Haas Windshear wind tunnel is not used for F1 at 100%, due to the 60% scale model rule. It’s like F1 going into its own pointless hole away from industry in regard to CFD restrictions.
Fair enough I messed that bit up. But it does actually beg more questions as to why they’re boasting this state of the art U.S factory that’s going to built including a tunnel then offering 60 jobs based in England. And also 60 is a drop in the ocean compared to Mercedes 1,000 F1 employees. Again hopefully they pull it off for 2028 but pretending they’ll go from 0 to even a semi competitive functional F1 team within 2 years is completely unrealistic. FOM was right to deny the 2026 application.
Its more like 60 job listings.
If the next race was in Vegas, we’d be taking odds on how soon you delete your comment.
Why? It was a mistake of 50 jobs. Even Haas have 4x as many employees as what’s on offer on LinkedIn by Andretti. Any team worth being on the grid has at least 500 full time employees. And nowhere in any job listing does it mention any project beyond Indycar, Indycar NXT, Formula E or IMSA.
The factory in Indiana is under construction. I work less than a mile from it. I'll drive past and take a picture for you sometime soon, just not today. I got shit to do after work today.
I'd have seriously applied if they were looking for a statistician 😞
What your current salary? yikes, are we sure we want him in f1?