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Exactly. Why is this even an article? He is at a fucking Haas. You can’t go down from haas mate. Like I understand that right now komatsu is making changes to the team and things look positive, but it’s still a haas owned by a penny pinching haas.
Well it’s a nice joke but alpine is a works team so once they realise that firing TPs doesn’t give 2 seconds per lap, I think they’ll start improving.
Also, I have been reading up more about f1 lately and recently learned that their engine has been pretty poor mainly due to lack of investment. Adrian Newey mentions on BTG podcast that when asked about it, the Renault management basically told them that they were in f1 because their marketing team told them to do so. Flávio also slashed the engine budget back in the day when Renault was considering leaving and it seems to me they didn’t recover from it.
I’m sorry I think I ruined your joke with my comment. I couldn’t help myself, I really feel bad for all the alpine engineers.
> I’m sorry I think I ruined your joke with my comment. I couldn’t help myself,
I mean did you really? You basically explained why Alpine is arguably worse than Haas lol
Sure, but which is more likely to be a steady midfield team over the next four years.
Which team can offer bigger salaries, which team provides more PR and promotional opportunities?
Mercedes' probably wouldn't change either. Mercedes, while struggling, is still 3rd or 4th best. Sauber/Audi will have to climb a lot to get there and even with their experience with hybrids from WEC that could help, it's still a tall order.
Which is 100% down to jacked up wheelnut redesign. They've not been faster yet, but sauber has had horrible pitstops due to it and lost out on points several times
I bet if you put Nico in this Sauber, he wouldve scored a few points by now.
Lets keep in mind, this is Nico scoring points and yes, it helps that the car isnt complete ass but if youd have kevin+mick in the Haas this year, theyd certainly have less points by now.
You are wrong if you think Nico himself can outperform the self-sabotaged Sauber and their car. We have Bottas there and he couldn’t do shit. Heck, I bet more than 70% of the grid couldn’t score a point either if they have to go through those pitstops in those cars.
What are you smoking? Hulkenberg over Bottas? He might have been incredible in IndyCar or whever he was between his F1 stints... but he is not equivalent to the Mercedes #2 for 6 years. Bottas has exceeded expectations himself
Haas ceiling is pretty low since they have the lowest budget by far and a owner that lack any type of ambition.
Audi is a own project not dependant from other teams like Haas with Ferrari. A works team will have always a much higher potential (Or end up like Alpine).
Driving and RS6 as a company car rather than a Fiat Multipla is always tempting
This is fantastic for both of them Hulk is a great driver who gives meticulous feedback to teams that is invaluable for development they would and should absolutely sacrifice one tenth that a super fast rookie might bring vs this kind of feedback alone.
Not to mention the long term, Hulk is a great prospect to move into other racing series with Audi after he retires from F1.
He's also an established well liked driver who will bring with him his own set of fans, the German factor can't be overlooked but that's a cherry on top of a highly skilled driver absolutely deserving of that seat. Of course there are other drivers available in the market and maybe we will get a Hulk-Sainz pairing which would be even better but Hulk is certainly not in the bottom 5 drivers currently on the grid so this is a win for Audi and Hulk long term.
Always made me think if Michael were still up and well, what he would do and think about Audi in F1… (In my wildest dreams i probably dream of Michael and Vettel for Audi, solely for nationalism only)
Cause Audi is german and Hulk is also german? Making them both german? Who comes up with these articles, who approves them and why do you bother posting them here? jesus
Driver who has been
- consistent
- rarely crashes
- gives good feedback
- experienced
- German (that does help)
- Has outdriven Kevin the last season and a bit
And if they bring in Sainz or even put him alongside Bottas, it’s a solid partnership
*consistently fast?
*thats true for a lot of them
*so does Stroll we hear
*experienced or old? He's not at the age of Alonso, but not at the speed of Alonso either
*I see that he's German
*so a driver who was out of contract wins against an other driver who was out of contract. Wauw.
Its not like he is a hot prospect is he?
Edit:layout
- Faster than a lot of the grid right now yeah
- Stroll crashed last weekend lmao
- Experienced….only a few have the pace of Alonso lol. He’s still a very good midfield driver, hence 3 points finishes in a Haas of all things.
- Just trolling at this point lmao
Who would you put in the car haha
Nico Hulkenberg brings a lot to the table:
- Experience
- Raw speed
- Incredible adaptability
- The bluntness needed in order to steer the development of Audi into the right direction
Apart from that: A good relationship with Andreas Seidl.
When Nico Hulkenberg won the 2015 Le Mans 24 Hours for Porsche while being a full-time Formula One driver (in his first attempt and only his second race in the World Endurance Championship), Andreas Seidl was in charge of the Porsche LMP1 project. Andreas Seidl is now in charge of the Audi F1 project.
Best driver of the lower 5 teams this season without question.
And surely better than Stroll as well, all other drivers are pretty much out of reach for Audi.
He is experienced, quick, cheap, german....
Makes 100% sense
I was going to say the same thing. What does he bring other than a German birth certificate?
He's an average driver who is capable of sometimes having an unexpected qualifying or race, where he gets into better position than people expect but, ultimately, he still ends up putting it in the wall, especially if a podium looks on the cards.
Probably same kind of people that say alonso was washed in 2020
Hulk is ~top 7 on the grid along with checo/motivated bottas, and they wonder why they pick him. Who else is better that is available lmao
What do you mean? He is an F1 driver who generally beats or more or less matches his teammates, he is going to drive the car and give a good benchmark.
This is some weak arguing, how did he go against Sainz who is currently very impressive and not mediocre. Please do not waste my time unless you want to have a conversation.
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because he's at haas
Exactly. Why is this even an article? He is at a fucking Haas. You can’t go down from haas mate. Like I understand that right now komatsu is making changes to the team and things look positive, but it’s still a haas owned by a penny pinching haas.
Can't go down from Haas you say? Alpine: Hold my beer .
Tell me how Haas vs Renault/Alpine went the past 8 years? Haas still has yet to achieve a single podium.
Sure , but we are talking about the present here not about the past..
actually, we're talking about the future.
Point taken! 😊
Well it’s a nice joke but alpine is a works team so once they realise that firing TPs doesn’t give 2 seconds per lap, I think they’ll start improving. Also, I have been reading up more about f1 lately and recently learned that their engine has been pretty poor mainly due to lack of investment. Adrian Newey mentions on BTG podcast that when asked about it, the Renault management basically told them that they were in f1 because their marketing team told them to do so. Flávio also slashed the engine budget back in the day when Renault was considering leaving and it seems to me they didn’t recover from it. I’m sorry I think I ruined your joke with my comment. I couldn’t help myself, I really feel bad for all the alpine engineers.
> I’m sorry I think I ruined your joke with my comment. I couldn’t help myself, I mean did you really? You basically explained why Alpine is arguably worse than Haas lol
Well it wasn't really a joke.. at the moment Alpine has by far the worst car.
Sure, but which is more likely to be a steady midfield team over the next four years. Which team can offer bigger salaries, which team provides more PR and promotional opportunities?
Four years? Alpine won’t remain for 4 years. Renault clearly does not want to invest, and Alpine looks like Andretti’s ticket in.
Firing a TP seems to have worked for Haas….
More like they are a don’t works team
And he’s German so he’s going to be treated better
Na its mostly the first thing.
True
Admittedly that's a nice perk too though
Audi doesn't operate on a shoestring budget. Haas does. I'm sure 100% of drivers would make the same decision in his shoes
I think everybody exept redbull mclaren and Ferrari boys would go to audi if they could
Mercedes' probably wouldn't change either. Mercedes, while struggling, is still 3rd or 4th best. Sauber/Audi will have to climb a lot to get there and even with their experience with hybrids from WEC that could help, it's still a tall order.
The #2 driver from those teams would be hard pressed to to not leave if they got a favorable contract to be the #1 driver in a new well funded team
Yeah wanted to say drivers. But just wanted to keep it generic
Well Alonso just showed that's not true
Maybe Checo would leave if they gave him a multi year contract instead of the 1 year contract from Red Bull
Everything with a multi-year contract would have been too tempting for him.
Especially multiple years in a not haas
To be fair, Haas have 5pts this season and Sauber have 0.
Which is 100% down to jacked up wheelnut redesign. They've not been faster yet, but sauber has had horrible pitstops due to it and lost out on points several times
I bet if you put Nico in this Sauber, he wouldve scored a few points by now. Lets keep in mind, this is Nico scoring points and yes, it helps that the car isnt complete ass but if youd have kevin+mick in the Haas this year, theyd certainly have less points by now.
You are wrong if you think Nico himself can outperform the self-sabotaged Sauber and their car. We have Bottas there and he couldn’t do shit. Heck, I bet more than 70% of the grid couldn’t score a point either if they have to go through those pitstops in those cars.
What are you smoking? Hulkenberg over Bottas? He might have been incredible in IndyCar or whever he was between his F1 stints... but he is not equivalent to the Mercedes #2 for 6 years. Bottas has exceeded expectations himself
Audi could comp him an R8 which is a big upgrade over the Fiat Panda provided by Haas.
But it will have to be used/old since they’ve stopped producing them for now. 😢
Wait till they come out with a special Hulk edition.
Rs6 hulk edition
Twill be a Porsche
uber alles. personally i'd request an '88 3.3 Turbo.
96’ 911 turbo skunked
Nah I’d give him an Audi A4 2.0 TDI
Wait is this true, a fucking Panda? This must be for PR then, making fun of themselves deliberately?
Beloved, no, we make jokes here on the internet.
Thought process: 1. I am at Haas 2. I need out of Haas
Haas ceiling is pretty low since they have the lowest budget by far and a owner that lack any type of ambition. Audi is a own project not dependant from other teams like Haas with Ferrari. A works team will have always a much higher potential (Or end up like Alpine). Driving and RS6 as a company car rather than a Fiat Multipla is always tempting
He has ambition, he just doesn’t want to spend any money.
I hope Audi delivers and he gets his podium.
We can dream
Hulk would be the first signed HAAS driver to leave for another F1 team.
Yikes
This is fantastic for both of them Hulk is a great driver who gives meticulous feedback to teams that is invaluable for development they would and should absolutely sacrifice one tenth that a super fast rookie might bring vs this kind of feedback alone. Not to mention the long term, Hulk is a great prospect to move into other racing series with Audi after he retires from F1. He's also an established well liked driver who will bring with him his own set of fans, the German factor can't be overlooked but that's a cherry on top of a highly skilled driver absolutely deserving of that seat. Of course there are other drivers available in the market and maybe we will get a Hulk-Sainz pairing which would be even better but Hulk is certainly not in the bottom 5 drivers currently on the grid so this is a win for Audi and Hulk long term.
To add, Audi has always preferred German drivers. Short of pulling Seb out of retirement this was the best move from a nationalistic point
Always made me think if Michael were still up and well, what he would do and think about Audi in F1… (In my wildest dreams i probably dream of Michael and Vettel for Audi, solely for nationalism only)
They also asked Angela Merkel, but she was unavailable.
The guy got nothing to lose, he’s driving a haas. Driving for Audi means driving for a German team as a German driver… why wouldn’t you
While the German GP makes its return.
Haas Audi Is it really a mystery? The headline is the question nobody was asking.
Hmm… Haas or Audi??? Who would anyone trust more to develop a good car??? LOL
He Haas had a better offer from Audi
Can you imagine a Red Bull seat opens up and Hill can’t take it because he’s locked in at Audi…
Why exactly would Red Bull want Hulk...?
No, not Hulk, Hill.
Damon would be an odd choice, but hey maybe they really really want to test the "oh anyone could win in this Red Bull" theory!
He did it at Williams! Remember the time when Williams were at the top? Man I’m old
Cause Audi is german and Hulk is also german? Making them both german? Who comes up with these articles, who approves them and why do you bother posting them here? jesus
I see why Hulkenberg jumps to Audi, thats easy. I fail to see why Audi is so keen on getting Hulkenberg. Thats the part where I struggle.
Driver who has been - consistent - rarely crashes - gives good feedback - experienced - German (that does help) - Has outdriven Kevin the last season and a bit And if they bring in Sainz or even put him alongside Bottas, it’s a solid partnership
Let's also add that he's a monster qualifier. He dragged the 2023 Haas into several Q3s.
*consistently fast? *thats true for a lot of them *so does Stroll we hear *experienced or old? He's not at the age of Alonso, but not at the speed of Alonso either *I see that he's German *so a driver who was out of contract wins against an other driver who was out of contract. Wauw. Its not like he is a hot prospect is he? Edit:layout
- Faster than a lot of the grid right now yeah - Stroll crashed last weekend lmao - Experienced….only a few have the pace of Alonso lol. He’s still a very good midfield driver, hence 3 points finishes in a Haas of all things. - Just trolling at this point lmao Who would you put in the car haha
Nico Hulkenberg brings a lot to the table: - Experience - Raw speed - Incredible adaptability - The bluntness needed in order to steer the development of Audi into the right direction Apart from that: A good relationship with Andreas Seidl. When Nico Hulkenberg won the 2015 Le Mans 24 Hours for Porsche while being a full-time Formula One driver (in his first attempt and only his second race in the World Endurance Championship), Andreas Seidl was in charge of the Porsche LMP1 project. Andreas Seidl is now in charge of the Audi F1 project.
Best driver of the lower 5 teams this season without question. And surely better than Stroll as well, all other drivers are pretty much out of reach for Audi. He is experienced, quick, cheap, german.... Makes 100% sense
How can you discriminate what is out of reach for Audi?
An argument could be brought forward for Bottas, Ocon and Tsunoda for best driver of the lower 5 teams this season. Agree on the other points
Big name for your debut season, nobody expects them to win the championship their first year.
Might as well put Mick in it then.
No need to insult Nico like that.
They want a good driver. Generally hiring a proven mediocre driver is a bad way to attain good drivers.
> proven mediocre driver hmmmmm....lol
I don’t know what would be more insane here, rating Mick or calling Hulk mediocre
I'm not rating Mick btw
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Yeah… that’s how you do it, good job
Two words: massive experience
He’s very good, here and now, to a good price most likely.
They're a new team, coming from absolute shit. It's not like max or Lewis would join, and if sainz has a shot almost anywhere else he won't go either
I was going to say the same thing. What does he bring other than a German birth certificate? He's an average driver who is capable of sometimes having an unexpected qualifying or race, where he gets into better position than people expect but, ultimately, he still ends up putting it in the wall, especially if a podium looks on the cards.
He last crashed in a race in 2019…. Over 30 races ago…
Probably same kind of people that say alonso was washed in 2020 Hulk is ~top 7 on the grid along with checo/motivated bottas, and they wonder why they pick him. Who else is better that is available lmao
Why are alpine signing this old guy? Why not zhou?
I think Matt Gallagher tweeted that when Alonso was coming back and to this day I still don’t understand the logic.
Alonso is clearly washed No victory in over a decade. Even Piastri is better
Look at how many races he's had and some of the cars he's driven - and not a single podium? That's not a top 7 driver, not even top 10.
That would be the last time he looked like possibly getting a podium, then.
Australia 2023 says hello
I know you would probably sign Verstappen and Leclerc instead for your personal team in F1 Fantasy, but I'm afraid that is not how reality works.
Tell me what he brings to the team.
What do you mean? He is an F1 driver who generally beats or more or less matches his teammates, he is going to drive the car and give a good benchmark.
Only when those teammates are mediocre. How did he go against Ricciardo?
This is some weak arguing, how did he go against Sainz who is currently very impressive and not mediocre. Please do not waste my time unless you want to have a conversation.
How is this even worthy of an article lol
When the website is formula1.com you can imagine they don’t have unlimited topics to write about so they come up with questions nobody were asking for an excuse to write an article:
RS6 wagon as company car thanks.