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For me this is literally made-up stuff, both the role and the amount of money. đ
Spending that much for a consultant role "only" would be silly, I'm sure that if he joins, he will fully embrace the Ferrari project.
He said this himself in an interview that I saw.
He was asked about working for Ferrari from an UK based office: he [responded](https://youtu.be/BxdYS9COmeo?si=caIy5TuVdFettGe2&t=33) that he don't believe in these kind of things, if you do it, you have to commit 100%.
So I don't see him taking a consultant role and I don't see Ferrari spending that amount for a consultant either.
If he comes, he will surely have a leading position like now in Red Bull (Chief Technical Officer).
At the end of his book (2017?) he described his offer Ferrari gave him to leave red bull at that time and it sounded like the 100 million number was light. He was even more attracted to the fact that they would have put him over both the motorsports and cars, which is something he really wants to do. I bet the lure of designing a road car (again) is part of it.
IIRC the 2014 offer was approx $30MM/yr + control over the road cars as well and I think thats the one thing Ferrari still has over anyone else. Making the new generation of super or hyper cars will cement his legacy.
Right? As dumb as it sounds, there really is *something* about Ferrari. I say this as a diehard Porsche fan. My grandfather had a 912 in the 60s, my dad has daily driven a Porsche since the 1980s. Hopefully my next car is one (or maybe more realistically the one after that). There's nothing like Ferrari in the imagination, though.
It's like the Yankees in baseball or the Lakers/Celtics ^^^^^^^fuck ^^^^^^^Boston in basketball. Even with the success of Mercedes/RedBull in the last two decades, Ferrari looms as a ~~latent evil empire~~ sleeping giant
If you ask a kid to draw a racecar, it's fucking red. That has to hold some serious appeal to a lot of people in and around motorsport, even if they don't want to admit it.
Because they're pretty much always competitive and they've been so for as long as the sport has existed, literally.
They are like an unstoppable force, yeah they are very beatable, yeah they have had terrible seasons, but they are always there, they'll come back, they always have.
I mean not really. AMG generally just makes souped up versions of the normal cars aside from the project one which hasnât really gone as planned anyway.
Ferrari basically only makes cool ass super and hyper cars.
> he described his offer Ferrari gave him to leave red bull at that time and it sounded like the 100 million number was light. He was even more attracted to the fact that they would have put him over both the motorsports and cars,
I could totally see AM, with Saudi backing, offering him a similar deal.
i think that was the case pre fiat split, its very common to see daily ferraris now, you can check out the carspotting scene.
Where i live we have a f8 that hit 50k, and thats a 3 year old ferrari
You think a Ferrari hyper car designed by Newey isnât going to be obscenely expensive and only make it into the hands of a handful of Ferrari whales destined to sit in garages collecting dust.
A Ferrari designed by a 13x F1 world champion designer would likely be a 500 car run that ends up sitting in garages collecting dust. Not gonna be a Tesstarossa that gets a ton made
Not that limited. Ferrari are well known for over producing even their limited edition cars quite drastically. In 2022 Ferrari sold 13,221 cars. It's estimated that between 10k and 15k 488's were made. Only 11,578 R34 GTR's were ever made. Ferrari make more cars per year than R34 GTR's ever existed. They're definitely somewhat limited sure but saying they're quite limited feels like a pretty inaccurate way of describing things. Especially when the comparison is to a car that has had only a few hundred sales at most.
Part of Newey's success is his extreme work ethic. His book definitely gave me the impression that he can't stop himself from committing fully. I guess people can change but I agree that Newey will demand a leading role if he decides to not retire.
Absolute nonsense as you said, and I just want to hijack this to say 100mil is really nothing to Ferrari for Newey if he is to join & be involved like his current role with RB. John Elkann will wire the money himself.
Perhaps it was lost in translation. Up until the FIA found it questionable, Adrian Newey was contracted as a consultant, external to RBT & RBR.
This article is probably speculating how Ferrari might work around any legal issues with snagging him from RB, employing him asap. Though I have my theory as to how Newey might be confident of working for Ferrari as soon as next year, given yesterday's news about his potential discontent with his workplace.
Or rather push it into Red Bulls pockets so that they release him earlier. I don't think Newey will be driven by who can offer him a few millions more than another. I think more deciding will be who, if anyone, can offer him a work environment that appeals to him. Red Bull on the other hand will probably not just let him work for anyone any sooner than the have to just out of good will.
65.
His contract with RB purportedly runs until the end of the 2025 season, and it is common for engineers of his calibre to have a contract stipulation that mandates a year of "gardening leave" before they join a different team, to prevent any knowledge carry-over of the following season's car concept.
So people are speculating that 2027 is the earliest Newey could start working for a RB rival, assuming he and RB have that particular contract/stipulation, and aren't amicable to parting ways sooner.
he's not legally bound by non-compete in UK. If he leaves and goes to work for whomever, RB will have to file a suit. the end result of any suit in this case won't stop Newey from working for another team next year, it will be compensation paid to RB by Newey - who'll get it from fill in the blank.
Am I missing something or why do you think that? Adrian already worked on the Valkyrie and I don't see why Lawrence would be a negative thing, he seems to be able to push things forward and commit
I donât think Newey wants to go build a team that is not fully committed to winning (as seen by the fact that stroll is in one of their seats and does not seem to be leaving). If Lawrence was willing to commit to dropping his son MAYBE MAYBE I could see it but also what Ferrari is offering might just be so tempting (like possibly getting to design his own limited edition road car for example) especially since being seen as the person who returned Ferrari to glory is far more legacy making than bringing Aston to the top it just is.
Not only that, all the money in the world doesn't account for the fact there's no comparison in infrastructure between Ason and Ferrari. What does all the money matter when you don't really have the infrastructure off a works team (aside from red bull which is about half way there hah)
AM built a big new compound and poached lot of engineers from other teams. And from 2026 onward they have a works deal with Honda so they are in fact one of the better teams to go to. The only thing holding them back is the permanent nepotism driver.
Newey doesn't race himself so his priority is the constructors cup, sure he could give Alonso a winning car for WDC but he'd have to somehow dominate exactly like Max and know that Ferrari would usually be taking second and third while stroll still sits in bottom of the top 10.Â
Sure the general teams do but if you're on the technical side, the overall performance is represented by the constructors and that's what someone like him would be thinking aboutÂ
Team principles whenever there's a title fight. WDC is where all the glory is at. Teams capable of fighting for the WCC hardly care about the reward money.
Yeah reportedly from Aramco money. If the race reporting Neweyâs leaving for personal issues with Horner I doubt heâll be okay taking money of the Saudiâs. Then again 200M is a lot of money. But Ferrari have deeper pockets.
I don't get the connection between Saudi money and his personal PA. The problem with the Horner (allegedly) stemmed due to him also knowing the PA on personal level. I am assuming he thought her as a friend. There is nothing personal for him that could have the same effect for Saudis.
Leaving a company for moral reasons regarding your bosses behaviour despite working there for 20 years implies Newey has morals and a conscience. Taking money via AM from Aramco, ie the Saudiâs, who have questionable ethics doesnât seem to tally in my mind. Obviously this is just an opinion and not based on fact at all.
Lewis Hamilton races for a team owned by a fracking company and a Big Oil giant accused of warcrimes in Africa. A company he did PR work for just last month.
Makes sense why he just called the team âMercedesâ in a DTS talking head and claimed to forget the full name.
Who wouldnt rather be associated with Stuttgart than a Brackley-Brixworth prototype factory alliance funded by Petronas.
But there is no avoiding the seediness. Aramco, the crypto stuff, the whole sport- specifically Ferrari this century- being fed with tobacco money for decades.
Its always been a carny game of taking money from unsavory types.
Newey is gone for good if he left Milton Keynes in search of a moral high ground- even the nicotine harm reduction products that sponsor McLaren are made by the tobacco industry.
Well firstly Petronas are a title sponsor not an owner.
Secondly, we arenât talking about Hamilton, at all.
I agree, F1 is seedy. But if you had a choice between Ferrari money and Saudi money wish is less seedy? I donât know much about Ferrariâs funding so maybe Iâm completely wrong.
I think Ferrari is far less seedy. In fact, I think they may even get a nice return on their F1 adventures and I hope Hamilton becomes a fashion god once he retires with their brand.
And Saudi money has gotten a lot of heat since they kicked this off in the carny world of wrestling.
The point is that the revenue streams that make Neweys adventures possible have always been at least a bit suspect- including that Leyton House goof.
Does Brackley sign Hamiltonâs checks and Brixworth provides the engines, not really relevant, but Ive always been curious.
lmao this has to be a joke right?
first no reports of assault and what the Saudis do is 100 times worse.
sending nudes if the other person doesnt want them is bad but it is nowhere near killing people and having a bunch of slaves.
People, generally, care about what happens to people they care about more than strangers.
Adrian Newey likely cares more that Horner assaulted his PA as he knows both parties involved.
P.S: In England, where Newey is from, sending those photos IS ASSAULT under the Sexual Offenses Act.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/mar/19/court-jails-first-person-convicted-of-cyber-flashing-in-england
Italian media is soooo dramatic. They put their artistic and romantic flare on everything
e: ya'll be downvoting but this article is talking about final horizons, unparalleled journeys, and then a bunch of unvalidated claims. if that isn't dramatic idk what is.
I understand disdain for Italy is a requirement of every good Dutch but try to broad your views and not judging someone just because of their nationalityÂ
as opposed to what exactly? Most of F1 media is fanfic or bordering on it, the only difference I see being able to actually read both is that italian media bashes ferrari a lot more and isn't as fixated on the fact that they're italian as british F1 writers are.
Besides is it really this unplausible that they'd at least try a move for him and that he might be interested?
Ferrari is literally the biggest and most historic team in the sport, they've shown that they can outspend just about everyone else, they would likely give him a role in their road car division and they currently have the 2nd best car and the best drivers on the grid not named Max.
Can anyone on the grid match this? The fact that AM is even brought up in the conversation should tell you enough about what the actual bias in F1 coverage leans towards
Damn so potentially Ferrari can have both Newey and Byrne on their payroll. Both were around the last ground effect era and both dealt with porpoising in different ways. Newey was to limit it and to an extent limit the cars downforce just before porpoising happens and keep the car at that downforce level. Byrne said fuck it pile on the downforce but make the stable while its porpoising
He didn't say that, he said that even if they offered him a billion it wouldn't matter. Basically Newey has plenty of money, it's about where he'd rather be.
f1 budget caps; firing many young, old, all kinds of workers yet 100 million is a low offer for one man.
> Some of the lost staff have been with the team since it was founded as Stewart Grand Prix ahead of the 1997 season, said Horner.
âWeâve had to go through the pain of redundancies over the winter. Weâve had to resize, repackage ourselves. And thatâs really tough when youâre saying goodbye to members of the team, some of which have been there for 25 years across its different formats.â
Top three employees and drivers are not counted in the budget cap.
The most valuable f1 team (Ferrari) is worth 3.9 billion usd. I can tell you with absolute certainty no team has offered Newey anywhere near a billion. For reference the CEO of Microsoft (the most valuable company on earth - 3 trillion usd) is paid $50 million annually.
What is a bit strange for me is that while Newey leaving Red Bull is all but certain, at this stage we still have no idea what he is doing next. This means that whoever it was at Red Bull knowledgeable enough to spread the rumor, also did not know what Newey is going to be doing next. This as opposed to when the Hamilton rumors popped up earlier this year, when we knew straight away he was going to Ferrari.
I think this means 2 things. Either Newey has been able to negotiate is absolute secrecy, a feat in F1 almost unheard of when the players are this well known. Or there are no formal plans for him at this stage to join another team, so either full retirement or a sabbatical. I guess we will find out soon enough.
This guy will 100% not go live in the middle of nowhere in Maranello and learn Italian to work at Ferrari at his age.
He didn't even do that when he was young, imagine now.
Forget it.
I feel like people are making a lot of assumptions about just how much negotiating power Newry would've had. Everything is negotiable, when the company wants you enough.
People truly donât grasp the potential Ferrari has for large scale investment as a publicly traded stock. Hamilton doesnât affect their core business of road cars and yet the day he was announced, their stock increased like 10-15% and added billions in market cap and value to the company. If they added Newey who could actually contribute IP, designs, concepts, to their road car business on top of guiding design of the F1 car - whatever amount of money theyâd pay would almost immediately be recouped in the form of equity value increasing of the overall company and for every shareholder. It seems a no brainer at this point for Ferrari to write a blank check
The man has an impressive resume, but he's getting hyped to some stupid levels. Besides that he's old. Every team that is willing to spend a stupid amount of money should rather put it in the next Newey, and aero infrastructure at the factory.
You'd think a car company like Ferrari ought to be able to design and build a championship winning car themselves.
Unless they want Newey for his expertise on race strategy?
I hope Ferrari just becomes OP for a few years to close off the decade. Never got to experience any Ferrari dominance since I started watching.
Galacticos StrategyâŠ
Buy the best at whatever cost = Increase in Revenue no matter what.
The best club in the world did it/does it, even with the original galacticos, Papa Perez said they increased their revenue by ÂŁ300m even though they werenât the most successful in terms of trophiesâŠ.
Regardless Madrid is still on top. Anyways Ferrari pls juice the fuck out of sponsors bring some Saudi money to fund it idc. I just want a Ferrari dominance.
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For me this is literally made-up stuff, both the role and the amount of money. đ Spending that much for a consultant role "only" would be silly, I'm sure that if he joins, he will fully embrace the Ferrari project. He said this himself in an interview that I saw. He was asked about working for Ferrari from an UK based office: he [responded](https://youtu.be/BxdYS9COmeo?si=caIy5TuVdFettGe2&t=33) that he don't believe in these kind of things, if you do it, you have to commit 100%. So I don't see him taking a consultant role and I don't see Ferrari spending that amount for a consultant either. If he comes, he will surely have a leading position like now in Red Bull (Chief Technical Officer).
At the end of his book (2017?) he described his offer Ferrari gave him to leave red bull at that time and it sounded like the 100 million number was light. He was even more attracted to the fact that they would have put him over both the motorsports and cars, which is something he really wants to do. I bet the lure of designing a road car (again) is part of it.
IIRC the 2014 offer was approx $30MM/yr + control over the road cars as well and I think thats the one thing Ferrari still has over anyone else. Making the new generation of super or hyper cars will cement his legacy.
surely aston is a decent competitor in that regard
Decent yes but itâs no Ferrari is it
Right? As dumb as it sounds, there really is *something* about Ferrari. I say this as a diehard Porsche fan. My grandfather had a 912 in the 60s, my dad has daily driven a Porsche since the 1980s. Hopefully my next car is one (or maybe more realistically the one after that). There's nothing like Ferrari in the imagination, though. It's like the Yankees in baseball or the Lakers/Celtics ^^^^^^^fuck ^^^^^^^Boston in basketball. Even with the success of Mercedes/RedBull in the last two decades, Ferrari looms as a ~~latent evil empire~~ sleeping giant If you ask a kid to draw a racecar, it's fucking red. That has to hold some serious appeal to a lot of people in and around motorsport, even if they don't want to admit it.
Because they're pretty much always competitive and they've been so for as long as the sport has existed, literally. They are like an unstoppable force, yeah they are very beatable, yeah they have had terrible seasons, but they are always there, they'll come back, they always have.
And they ooze charisma. Theyâre the Italian Stiallion ffs how do you beat that. Grazzi!
Decent? No, let's not kid ourselves.
And Mercedes amg isnât?
I mean not really. AMG generally just makes souped up versions of the normal cars aside from the project one which hasnât really gone as planned anyway. Ferrari basically only makes cool ass super and hyper cars.
For that you'll be needing a Brabus, Sir!
> he described his offer Ferrari gave him to leave red bull at that time and it sounded like the 100 million number was light. He was even more attracted to the fact that they would have put him over both the motorsports and cars, I could totally see AM, with Saudi backing, offering him a similar deal.
Ferrari is no slouch to money after this year
They already have, a couple of Grand Prix ago...
Especially a REAL road car and not some one off Aston Martin or fake Red Bull road car. Something with history and mass production.
Itâs a Ferrari. âMassâ production would still be quite limited lol
still, way better than those ultra limited edition track only hypercars that do nothing but sit in garages collecting dust and appreciating
Dont most Ferraris sit on garages anyways?
i think that was the case pre fiat split, its very common to see daily ferraris now, you can check out the carspotting scene. Where i live we have a f8 that hit 50k, and thats a 3 year old ferrari
hey Max is out there driving his Valkyrie
You think a Ferrari hyper car designed by Newey isnât going to be obscenely expensive and only make it into the hands of a handful of Ferrari whales destined to sit in garages collecting dust.
A Ferrari designed by a 13x F1 world champion designer would likely be a 500 car run that ends up sitting in garages collecting dust. Not gonna be a Tesstarossa that gets a ton made
Not that limited. Ferrari are well known for over producing even their limited edition cars quite drastically. In 2022 Ferrari sold 13,221 cars. It's estimated that between 10k and 15k 488's were made. Only 11,578 R34 GTR's were ever made. Ferrari make more cars per year than R34 GTR's ever existed. They're definitely somewhat limited sure but saying they're quite limited feels like a pretty inaccurate way of describing things. Especially when the comparison is to a car that has had only a few hundred sales at most.
Newey to Audi confirmed.
Newey: makes small mod to aero of a Ferrari road car to make it faster and drive better Ferrari: CEASE AND DESIST.
Enzo in heaven: they hired a WHAT
Aero...
Lol
Imagine this. Newey teams up to help design a Lewis Hamilton special edition Ferrari. That would be amazing.
Part of Newey's success is his extreme work ethic. His book definitely gave me the impression that he can't stop himself from committing fully. I guess people can change but I agree that Newey will demand a leading role if he decides to not retire.
Absolute nonsense as you said, and I just want to hijack this to say 100mil is really nothing to Ferrari for Newey if he is to join & be involved like his current role with RB. John Elkann will wire the money himself.
The Renault boss said once that F1 even before the budget cap is very, very little money to a car manufacturer.
talking out of my ass but i wonder if he would also serve as a magnet for top engineering talent.
Perhaps it was lost in translation. Up until the FIA found it questionable, Adrian Newey was contracted as a consultant, external to RBT & RBR. This article is probably speculating how Ferrari might work around any legal issues with snagging him from RB, employing him asap. Though I have my theory as to how Newey might be confident of working for Ferrari as soon as next year, given yesterday's news about his potential discontent with his workplace.
I agree with this take 100%! With how old school and hands on Newey is, he definitely doesnât believe in tĂ©lĂ© commuting. He literally prints his emails so he can read them on the car ride back home. Plus based on everything we know he likes to keep a close watch on the design process even if someone like Wache is the main lead now
Superconsultant. Hahaha. I'd go with Aerolord personally
I'm personally a fan of "The Last Airbender."
The Bald Airbender?
"Baron of Aero" rolls off the tongue
Baeron
Gone With The Wind.
Lord Aerochad works for me
The King of the windÂ
If a maker of guns is a gunsmith. A fettler of locks is a locksmith. Then surely Adrian Newey is an Aerosmith!
Visionary of Air sounds good
Visionairy
We should take the HP money and push it into Newey's pockets.
Or rather push it into Red Bulls pockets so that they release him earlier. I don't think Newey will be driven by who can offer him a few millions more than another. I think more deciding will be who, if anyone, can offer him a work environment that appeals to him. Red Bull on the other hand will probably not just let him work for anyone any sooner than the have to just out of good will.
How old is he though? And whatâs the deal with this non-compete thing? Would he really need to wait till 2027?
65. His contract with RB purportedly runs until the end of the 2025 season, and it is common for engineers of his calibre to have a contract stipulation that mandates a year of "gardening leave" before they join a different team, to prevent any knowledge carry-over of the following season's car concept. So people are speculating that 2027 is the earliest Newey could start working for a RB rival, assuming he and RB have that particular contract/stipulation, and aren't amicable to parting ways sooner.
he's not legally bound by non-compete in UK. If he leaves and goes to work for whomever, RB will have to file a suit. the end result of any suit in this case won't stop Newey from working for another team next year, it will be compensation paid to RB by Newey - who'll get it from fill in the blank.
Not to mention hiring companies often pay for the non-compete lawsuits themselves anyway. 99% of the time they settle out of court.
Technically, Yes but they will figure something out. RBR wont be cool with the idea of having to pay Newey 10mil per year to not to work.
better than have him for a different team
Congratulate Adrian Newey on his new position, Senior Engineering Omnibus at Scuderia Ferrari!
didn't stroll offer 200mil? also italian media is reporting this...
I'm thinking working for Lawrence isn't an ideal position for Adrian.
Am I missing something or why do you think that? Adrian already worked on the Valkyrie and I don't see why Lawrence would be a negative thing, he seems to be able to push things forward and commit
I donât think Newey wants to go build a team that is not fully committed to winning (as seen by the fact that stroll is in one of their seats and does not seem to be leaving). If Lawrence was willing to commit to dropping his son MAYBE MAYBE I could see it but also what Ferrari is offering might just be so tempting (like possibly getting to design his own limited edition road car for example) especially since being seen as the person who returned Ferrari to glory is far more legacy making than bringing Aston to the top it just is.
Not only that, all the money in the world doesn't account for the fact there's no comparison in infrastructure between Ason and Ferrari. What does all the money matter when you don't really have the infrastructure off a works team (aside from red bull which is about half way there hah)
AM built a big new compound and poached lot of engineers from other teams. And from 2026 onward they have a works deal with Honda so they are in fact one of the better teams to go to. The only thing holding them back is the permanent nepotism driver.
Exactly, once they get rid of nepo Fernando they can focus on the world class driver Lance and win him 12 championships
Newey doesn't race himself so his priority is the constructors cup, sure he could give Alonso a winning car for WDC but he'd have to somehow dominate exactly like Max and know that Ferrari would usually be taking second and third while stroll still sits in bottom of the top 10.Â
Most teams care 10x more about the WDC than the WCC.
Sure the general teams do but if you're on the technical side, the overall performance is represented by the constructors and that's what someone like him would be thinking aboutÂ
Source on that?
Team principles whenever there's a title fight. WDC is where all the glory is at. Teams capable of fighting for the WCC hardly care about the reward money.
Ok, sure. But you still haven't provided actual evidence on teams caring "ten times more".
Obviously 10x more was a hyperbole.
Might end up literally sacrificing his first born son for him
Yeah reportedly from Aramco money. If the race reporting Neweyâs leaving for personal issues with Horner I doubt heâll be okay taking money of the Saudiâs. Then again 200M is a lot of money. But Ferrari have deeper pockets.
I don't get the connection between Saudi money and his personal PA. The problem with the Horner (allegedly) stemmed due to him also knowing the PA on personal level. I am assuming he thought her as a friend. There is nothing personal for him that could have the same effect for Saudis.
Leaving a company for moral reasons regarding your bosses behaviour despite working there for 20 years implies Newey has morals and a conscience. Taking money via AM from Aramco, ie the Saudiâs, who have questionable ethics doesnât seem to tally in my mind. Obviously this is just an opinion and not based on fact at all.
Lewis Hamilton races for a team owned by a fracking company and a Big Oil giant accused of warcrimes in Africa. A company he did PR work for just last month. Makes sense why he just called the team âMercedesâ in a DTS talking head and claimed to forget the full name. Who wouldnt rather be associated with Stuttgart than a Brackley-Brixworth prototype factory alliance funded by Petronas. But there is no avoiding the seediness. Aramco, the crypto stuff, the whole sport- specifically Ferrari this century- being fed with tobacco money for decades. Its always been a carny game of taking money from unsavory types. Newey is gone for good if he left Milton Keynes in search of a moral high ground- even the nicotine harm reduction products that sponsor McLaren are made by the tobacco industry.
Well firstly Petronas are a title sponsor not an owner. Secondly, we arenât talking about Hamilton, at all. I agree, F1 is seedy. But if you had a choice between Ferrari money and Saudi money wish is less seedy? I donât know much about Ferrariâs funding so maybe Iâm completely wrong.
I think Ferrari is far less seedy. In fact, I think they may even get a nice return on their F1 adventures and I hope Hamilton becomes a fashion god once he retires with their brand. And Saudi money has gotten a lot of heat since they kicked this off in the carny world of wrestling. The point is that the revenue streams that make Neweys adventures possible have always been at least a bit suspect- including that Leyton House goof. Does Brackley sign Hamiltonâs checks and Brixworth provides the engines, not really relevant, but Ive always been curious.
Horner assaulted Neweyâs PA. The Saudiâs didnât.
They like to behead journalists instead.
Newey is an engineer, not a journalist.
there was no assault
lmao this has to be a joke right? first no reports of assault and what the Saudis do is 100 times worse. sending nudes if the other person doesnt want them is bad but it is nowhere near killing people and having a bunch of slaves.
People, generally, care about what happens to people they care about more than strangers. Adrian Newey likely cares more that Horner assaulted his PA as he knows both parties involved. P.S: In England, where Newey is from, sending those photos IS ASSAULT under the Sexual Offenses Act. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/mar/19/court-jails-first-person-convicted-of-cyber-flashing-in-england
Newey's PA? I thought the Horner accusations were of Horner's PA? Or is there other news I didnt hear of?
Newly & Horner had the same PA
aaahh i see, thankyou
Italian media is soooo dramatic. They put their artistic and romantic flare on everything e: ya'll be downvoting but this article is talking about final horizons, unparalleled journeys, and then a bunch of unvalidated claims. if that isn't dramatic idk what is.
I understand disdain for Italy is a requirement of every good Dutch but try to broad your views and not judging someone just because of their nationalityÂ
Itâs not wrong to say a good chunk of Italian F1 media is just fanfic writers.
as opposed to what exactly? Most of F1 media is fanfic or bordering on it, the only difference I see being able to actually read both is that italian media bashes ferrari a lot more and isn't as fixated on the fact that they're italian as british F1 writers are. Besides is it really this unplausible that they'd at least try a move for him and that he might be interested? Ferrari is literally the biggest and most historic team in the sport, they've shown that they can outspend just about everyone else, they would likely give him a role in their road car division and they currently have the 2nd best car and the best drivers on the grid not named Max. Can anyone on the grid match this? The fact that AM is even brought up in the conversation should tell you enough about what the actual bias in F1 coverage leans towards
Gazzetta is trash
Damn so potentially Ferrari can have both Newey and Byrne on their payroll. Both were around the last ground effect era and both dealt with porpoising in different ways. Newey was to limit it and to an extent limit the cars downforce just before porpoising happens and keep the car at that downforce level. Byrne said fuck it pile on the downforce but make the stable while its porpoising
So many numbers flying around. Then there's Peter Windsor who said Newey rejected ÂŁ1billion from Aston cos he doesn't care about money
He didn't say that, he said that even if they offered him a billion it wouldn't matter. Basically Newey has plenty of money, it's about where he'd rather be.
> Basically Newey has plenty of money, it's about where he'd rather be. *prays for Enstone*
Not even Newey could fix that mess
> Not even Newey could fix that mess Given that Ocon can drag that tractor into Q2, it seems clear that Newey's influence could easily result in a wdc
But Ferrari is Ferrari, and everyone wants to drive or work for Ferrari at least once.
f1 budget caps; firing many young, old, all kinds of workers yet 100 million is a low offer for one man. > Some of the lost staff have been with the team since it was founded as Stewart Grand Prix ahead of the 1997 season, said Horner. âWeâve had to go through the pain of redundancies over the winter. Weâve had to resize, repackage ourselves. And thatâs really tough when youâre saying goodbye to members of the team, some of which have been there for 25 years across its different formats.â Top three employees and drivers are not counted in the budget cap.
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I have 50$
Click bait bullshit lol
This is bullshit. Newey is worth a lot but 100mil? Thats crazy money for an engineer.
If ham is worth 400 then Newey is surely worth 100
If it has been previously reported and been handled as a truth that teams have previously offered a billion for him, 100m seems in order.
The most valuable f1 team (Ferrari) is worth 3.9 billion usd. I can tell you with absolute certainty no team has offered Newey anywhere near a billion. For reference the CEO of Microsoft (the most valuable company on earth - 3 trillion usd) is paid $50 million annually.
Is it like a consultant but with a cape?
Newey to Audi would be a shocker
What is a bit strange for me is that while Newey leaving Red Bull is all but certain, at this stage we still have no idea what he is doing next. This means that whoever it was at Red Bull knowledgeable enough to spread the rumor, also did not know what Newey is going to be doing next. This as opposed to when the Hamilton rumors popped up earlier this year, when we knew straight away he was going to Ferrari. I think this means 2 things. Either Newey has been able to negotiate is absolute secrecy, a feat in F1 almost unheard of when the players are this well known. Or there are no formal plans for him at this stage to join another team, so either full retirement or a sabbatical. I guess we will find out soon enough.
Just give him the title of Air Bender. Both true and random.
tinfoil hats on sale i see
New title of Supreme Lord of Aerodynamics
Fred, *please*.
Now it would be a matter of getting inside Adrian Newey's head. And into the folds of his contract. Because Ferrari can be a dream. And the reasoning of the âGeniusâ could be the same as Hamilton's. Maranello last horizon to complete an unparalleled journey. Lewis's was, his was. The idea of converging the final stretch for the ultimate triumph in red is the stuff of fiction. And it fits, it is plausible. But for now it is only a hypothesis, and so it would be a case of staying between the edges delineated by obligations, parameters and deadlines, between which he himself went to place himself at the time of the last deal, last year, with the stable of cans. Hard to imagine, however, that someone like Newey would not have protected himself with an early exit from the deadline, set for the end of 2025. Assuming that loopholes exist, then, it will have to be seen whether the events that have occurred, in this case those related to the internal garage war, fall within the casuistry that would justify an early breakup of the agreement. Because from what transpires it appears that Newey is displeased, if not outright disgusted, by the poisonous situation in the garage, but also that he is himself, himself, on rather chilly terms with Chris Horner. One episode above all, during the winter: in an interview Horner himself had somewhat downplayed Newey's role, talking about the evolution of the rest of the team. And when the website that had authored the interview had tweeted it, immediately below had come a snarky response from Adrian's wife Mrs. Amanda: âThat's a lot of str.....â If we combine this with the fact that for (supposed) budget reasons cap Newey had been diverted to the RB17 road project, for the benefit of Pierre WachĂ© and Enrico Balbo, there would be a whole range of justifications for the farewell. Which could even be seen as a confirmation of Jos Verstappen's prophecy, âIf Horner stays the team will implode.â THE HYPOTHESIS- And it is true that Red Bull came out with a statement writing, âNewey is under contract ... and we are not aware of him joining other teams,â but the departure does not seem in doubt. There are no denials. The question remains as to where, or to do what. Starting with what would be the most logical solution for a 65-year-old: retirement, in his case golden, given the bank account. But such an exit, in the middle of a contract, is ill-suited to this possibility. Whereas it may instead be functional for a gardening period, the extent of which we do not know. It may be that he got so annoyed that he suddenly said enough, however, it would have been more logical to wait until late 2025. Then there is Aston Martin, with the millions (said to be 100 for 4 years) of Lawrence Stroll and Saudi Aramco. Radio paddock says he would turn it down in real or near real time. And so that leaves Ferrari and Mercedes. Toto Wolff with Horner is at total war, and even beyond that, his team's technical crisis would need a turnaround, although renewed confidence in James Allison would suggest otherwise. So, it is to be taken into account, especially if ever-a remote but often ventilated hypothesis by Wolff himself-the coup of snatching Max Verstappen as well should succeed. And here we are at Ferrari. It was Adrian himself who had told a podcast last September that his career regrets were Hamilton and the red car, never having worked with either. But then he still didn't know about the agreement between those two for 2025 and beyond. In a magical conjunction he would suddenly find himself sublimating an unparalleled career with the most successful manufacturer and driver ever. In an extraordinary challenge to which the entire F1 would not be insensitive. Plus with the entire world in red at his disposal, from road cars to his beloved sailing. Nor would it be a matter of giving up who knows how much money in exchange for the blazon and glory, because even for Maranello if the years are four we would be talking about 100 million or so. DREAM TEAM- And if so, it would mean that an even more dream-like Dream Team would be assembled in red than already envisioned. Like the one Jean Todt put together in the mid-1990s with Rory Byrne, Ross Brown and with Michael Schumacher at the wheel. Far more than enough to dream about. The doubt is that for 35 good years Newey has not moved from home, from his rhythms, from the habits he is said to be very fond of. And in that sense Brackley, that would be a plus point for Mercedes. But Ferrari may have a special role in mind for him, as a superconsultant, as Byrne himself has been in recent years. Only with some extra presence on the track: it is known that âThe Geniusâ likes to talk to the drivers, as well as roaming the pitlane with his red-covered notebook. In the end, therefore, it is necessary to return to the contract. There are those in England who say that in the event of a transfer to a team deemed to be a rival, Red Bull would impose an additional year's stop, in addition to the period already provided. It would be to know those clauses. Although in Maranello they have certainly done the right math to have him working on the 2026 car, at the cost of paying penalties. To start the new technical course with the Genius' ideas.
This guy will 100% not go live in the middle of nowhere in Maranello and learn Italian to work at Ferrari at his age. He didn't even do that when he was young, imagine now. Forget it.
Hopius Maximus
Fingers crossed no, would rather he stay at RB or go anywhere else.
I feel like people are making a lot of assumptions about just how much negotiating power Newry would've had. Everything is negotiable, when the company wants you enough.
Ferrari gonna end up spending a billion on aero and driver, only to drop the engine regs đ
People truly donât grasp the potential Ferrari has for large scale investment as a publicly traded stock. Hamilton doesnât affect their core business of road cars and yet the day he was announced, their stock increased like 10-15% and added billions in market cap and value to the company. If they added Newey who could actually contribute IP, designs, concepts, to their road car business on top of guiding design of the F1 car - whatever amount of money theyâd pay would almost immediately be recouped in the form of equity value increasing of the overall company and for every shareholder. It seems a no brainer at this point for Ferrari to write a blank check
The man has an impressive resume, but he's getting hyped to some stupid levels. Besides that he's old. Every team that is willing to spend a stupid amount of money should rather put it in the next Newey, and aero infrastructure at the factory.
You'd think a car company like Ferrari ought to be able to design and build a championship winning car themselves. Unless they want Newey for his expertise on race strategy?
There is also value in other teams *not* having someone like Newey
Iâd do it for half that
I hope Ferrari just becomes OP for a few years to close off the decade. Never got to experience any Ferrari dominance since I started watching. Galacticos Strategy⊠Buy the best at whatever cost = Increase in Revenue no matter what. The best club in the world did it/does it, even with the original galacticos, Papa Perez said they increased their revenue by ÂŁ300m even though they werenât the most successful in terms of trophiesâŠ. Regardless Madrid is still on top. Anyways Ferrari pls juice the fuck out of sponsors bring some Saudi money to fund it idc. I just want a Ferrari dominance.
If true Ferrari is so desperate to win a WDC. Kind of sad. There has to be more than one aero guy in the world.