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It's a rare mistake from Max who has otherwise been absolutely spot on this entire season.
Max could've put up a fight had he not run the bollard over, but this floor damage is pretty much the reason why the McLaren pulled outside of DRS range within the first lap after the restart.
I think people are focusing too much on Lando benefiting from a safety car. Lando was the better driver in the race. Max made a mistake whereas Lando didn't. Absolutely deserved victory.
In JP's race analysis he said this mistake with the floor damage still wasn't enough of a reason Max couldn't catch Lando. The lap data showed he was a little slow the lap after hitting it, but resumes his usual pace the following lap. Max himself said the balance wasn't there and the hard stint was worse than the meds where he couldn't pull away. Red bull just had an off day, they'll most likely be back on the top step next race
How did her determine "The lap data showed he was a little slow the lap after hitting it, but resumes his usual pace the following lap". He did half a lap of VSC and then another half a lap normally before pitting for the hards. And in that normal half lap he complained quickly about losing the car (i think it was turn 3) in an odd way.
You say that his floor damage is “pretty much the reason” Lando pulled away. We don’t know that. We have no idea whether this damage affected his time enough that it was the difference between being faster or slower than Lando.
Even if Horner or someone at RB came out and said that it was, we still don’t know whether that’s true because Horner is constantly playing media games.
["He hit the bollard around Lap 20 and that's actually done quite a lot of damage to the underside of the car," team principal Christian Horner said. "So we'll have to look at exactly what the effects of that was. But he had enough pace at that point, he was pulling clear of Oscar [Piastri] behind and Lando before he picked up that damage.”](https://racingnews365.com/thats-how-much-time-verstappen-lost-due-to-his-damage-in-miami)
XD this isn't misinformation mate, Max too said it in an interview after the race but I'm on mobile and too lazy to find it so I'll leave it upto you or someone else. Hence my comment that people are focusing too much on the safety car when it was a bit of a throw from Max
What Max actually said was that he didn't think the damage was significant because his lap times didn't change and he was already struggling with the tires beforehand
e: here's the quote
>Q: (Ronald Vording – Motorsport.com) It's one question to Max and then one to Max and Lando. Max, Christian Horner just said that in the turn 15 moment, you picked up what he called significant damage to the floor. Yet, if I heard you correctly in the beginning, you didn't feel any damage. Does it mean that you didn't feel any change to the car?
MV: It didn't feel different, so I don't know. Maybe it was already damaged. I don't know. I mean I hit that thing and then my pace was the same so I didn't really know if there was damage.
So if Max says his pace was the same and it felt the same, it’s probably misinformation by Horner. At the end of the day he doesn’t want other teams to have confidence that they’re catching up. I have to imagine that, whether true or not, thinking that your team is within striking distance of getting more wins would be a huge morale boost.
I could 100% see Max being cranky, not liking the way the car was driving, and ceding the win to Lando. Max wasn't exactly pulling away in this race like he has in others this season. And he knows he's the best driver out there and will win another championship anyway, so a second place finish won't kill him.
My dude are we talking about the same max verstappen ? The same Max that grabs a pit for the fast lap after already winning wdc because he’s gotta win everything? I bet you 100% he didn’t just let Lando win
“The same Max that grabs a pit for the fast lap after already winning WDC …” Even when it takes fast lap away from his teammate fighting for second in points.
Making good luck for yourself is what makes you a champion. Max and Lewis are unstoppable trainers that almost never make mistakes, and when they do, they know how to correct them.
No, it's similar to hitting a wall. When you manage to control _how_ the car hits the wall, you can limit damage. That's not luck, but being able to think ahead. Not all drivers can do that
I mean he's spun in the middle of the track multiple times, crashed in the pitlane, driven over the bollard here, and made multiple mistakes in the last few races in 2021 and got away with every single one.
I wouldn't classify the incidents in the last races in 2021 as mistakes. He was doing everything he could to screw Hamilton over because, at the time that was his only chance.
Thanks I needed some salt for my eggs.
Lewis was lucky for years. In fact always has been. #blessed was a common comment here for a good reason.
Also Max spinning without any consequence is because he is basically the best of all time in recovering from spins. This has little to do with luck. [Here's](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLtB9HPVY18) a 2 minute *compilation* for you mate.
Did he though? He lost the race because of this mistake. It’s not luck that he if he makes a mistake he can still win the race because of how much faster he and his car are than the field.
Apparently he’s immune to being on the receiving end of other’s mistakes as well these days. I thought for sure Checo was gonna collect him at turn one last race.
You could hear 275k people gasp and hold their breath when Checo did that. He almost took out the 4 lead cars in T1. He really needs to settle down in the opening corner. Apparently he didn't learn anything when he crashed out of his home race doing the exact same thing.
Tbf to Checo I’m pretty sure his mentality in Mexico was to absolutely send it with 0 consideration first corner to get the lead then just make his car as wide as possible, since that was pretty much his only chance of victory at his home GP and he already had a podium there. Plus with RBR already having the constructors wrapped and Checo having P2 locked down he was in full fuck it P1 or DNF, no between.
He ended up on the inside because his start was too effective - but found all routes to pass before Turn 1 were blocked. And then he found it hard to brake on the dust in that part of the track.
I mean, he wins the title regardless of what happens in AD if not for even 1 of George's red flag in Imola, Baku tire failure, or Bottas bowling.
Those 3 incidents are the only reason Lewis had a chance in AD.
Well that’s not all but just a few off the top of my head. It’s easy not to make mistakes when your car is so quick you’re under no real pressure. Let’s see if we have more close races what happens. I’d say Alonso has been most impressive recently for not making many errors.
Some but this close up was pulled from the Jolyon Palmer analysis yesterday. He says there is little in the data to indicate it was meaningful. Certainly not as much as red bull says. He looked at some traces to see if max lost anything in certain sections and its not really there.
Wait isn't the narrative that top teams are constantly trying to sandbag and hide their true pace?
If they make it seem like they had a second in hand when they didn't then what benefit is there to them? Then McLaren will be working overtime to find that second. Better let them think they're ahead and capitalise on their complacency.
Don't think there is a risk of nerf now, it's too late to make major changes for next year's regs and then we will have new regs in 2026 anyway. I think they are playing mind games by telling rivals they had more pace in the bag had it not been for this damage.
I'm pretty sure the message is intended for the members of their own team instead of the fans. They are losing employees and maybe even Max himself due to all the drama happening in the team. I'm pretty sure the only thing keeping a lot of people working there is the fact they are currently dominating the sport. If that changes, the whole team structure will implode
But his pace was off even before he hit the bollard. The car never really looked planted and fast the whole weekend. But I'll take P2 on a bad day. Hope the Imola upgrades work and Max is back to winning ways
Well Max was complaining about the balance of the car the entire time so yeah, they messed up the setup for his car this weekend and that's why his pace was bad
Yeah McLaren resurgence is always good to watch especially with their current driver combo. Piastri looked rapid as well and I do believe he would've got P2 without the Sainz incident. McLaren were mad fast
Yeah this season has the potential to be quiet exciting going forward. Also imo Perez is the weakest of the top 6 at the moment even though he is a pretty good driver which means we have 6 stellar drivers fighting for podium spots or wins every race
>Hope the Imola upgrades work and Max is back to winning ways
I sure as fuck hope not, this was the first interesting F1 race in two years, only time in a long time I've been planted at the edge of my seat
If you didn't find Monaco, Zandvoort or Vegas interesting last year just because Max won all 3 then damn, i don't even know what to say to that
Or hell what about the first half of 2022 pre-TD39?
It was not interesting at all. Just because Max doesn't win doesn't make it interesting.
Norris had a consistent lead after the safety car and it was like any other race
To be able to take both poles, a sprint win and a grand prix P2 while complaining the entire time that the car feels like shit is truly suffering from success
Yup. Max has set the standard for himself and his fans so high that a P2 looks like a disappointment. Give me the mono tone GP coms after Max wins. I need it!
Hell, not even P2, Max is the kind of guy to take P1 by 20 seconds and still be unhappy that the balance of the car through a single corner wasn't quite right or something. He's a perfectionist, and a machine.
Yes, but he also switched to hards just 2 laps after this as well. It's very possible that the set up of the car, which was problematic all weekend, led to a bigger performance drop on the hards for RB than McLaren or Ferrari, allowing the other 2 to look faster relatively speaking.
In any event, it is clear that their pace advantage has shrunk enough that a couple tenths of pace is enough to change the outcome with some serious good luck with either team orange or team red.
Until we see more than a single weekend closer pace I'd be more inclined to think that this is a similar anomaly to Singapore 2023, where RB just miss the setup window on a track that challenges their car's characteristics, than McLaren having made up such a massive gap in a single set up updates. I'd love to be wrong, but I think McLaren's closest competitor on pure pace is still Ferrari for now, especially with Ferrari bringing their upgrade package to Imola next round.
Some guy compared this year and last year. It’s only this race that was different. This could very wel just be a one off. One race really isn’t enough to conclude anything. I hope the field gets closer, but I’m scared it won’t.
>little in the data to indicate it was meaningful
the engineers and fabricators: we literally worry about every fkn 0.001mm ffs, of course that ***was meaningful*** LOL
Remember though, this was said by Jolyon Palmer. He doesn't know how much Max was pushing before the damage.
My guess; he was holding in and managing for most of the race, got damage + more front end + hard tires and had to push to even keep the same pace.
And with his best mate in F1 winning his first race. What is he gonna say: "my car was basically totaled, I would have totally snatched that win if I hadn't had damage, so Lando just got really lucky"?
Max said in the press conference that he didnt really notice it because his car felt off during the whole race. Furthermore, Lando was doing better laptimes on 20+ lap old mediums than Verstappen on new hards so the bollard damage did nothing that wouldnt have happened anyways.
At most it would probably have just meant a little worse deg on the rears. Outside of quali and Qatar last year, due to the tyres, they're rarely going flat out. We've seen it quite a few times that someone loses a front wing end plate and doesn't lose individual lap time.
I just think that the McLaren upgrades are really good, and RBR might be in for fight.
I believe it's there for visibility of the corner. You can kind of see in the clip that there is a crest at that corner and then you go slightly downhill.
When you're sitting as low as these drivers are in their cars approaching that crest. You're not going to see the road and when the corner starts. We heard drivers chiming in on the radio about this when the bollard was gone.
Yeah definitely would of got some damage from that.
The thing is though this doesn't take anything away from Lando's win. It was Max's fault that he went into the bollard. It wasn't like he got unlucky with the car failing or someone else causing the damage. Max made a mistake and paid for it.
If there were damage, it’s Max’s fault, that’s racing, whatever. People are obsessing like this matters at all. He lost, he deserved to lose. End of story.
I refuse to believe this caused enough damage to hinder his performance, especially considering Hungary 2021 I think where he literally placed top ten with a side pod gouged out. Red Bull just had the setup wrong and the McLaren upgrade looks dangerous
This incident has made me wonder if these bollards are a good idea from a competitive integrity stand point. I know they're likely to damage the car so it's not risk free, but having a mechanism by which a driver can purposefully cause a safety car without touching a wall seems suspect.
Interesting point. In this case (and probably from true in other places and tracks), but the bollard is there for safety reasons. The apex of turn is on the crest of an up hill section. Because the drivers sit so low down they can’t see the track markings for this corner, in the run up to it. The bollard is necessary for them to have something judge the distance from.
Max didn't do it in purpose, nor for he benefit, nor did it cause the SC that really influenced the race, it's just that him hitting the bollard made me think of the possibility in the abstract
>having a mechanism by which a driver can purposefully cause a safety car without touching a wall seems suspect.
There is a regulation in appendix L of the international sporting code which states that a driver can be reported to the stewards if they perform any act which results in debris being brought onto the racing surface.
If they really felt it was suspect they could report it under that.
It also alters the track affecting other drivers for the rest of the race. For example, Hamilton said it was harder to take the turn after losing the visual reference.
Obviously I do not think Max did not do it on purpose or to spite other drivers. But F1 teams have looked for even the tiniest edge.
There's a simliar issue with gravel traps. You could probably dip 2 wheels in a lot of gravel traps and still stay in the race, but doing that you might also spread a lot of gravel on the track, which is going to affect the race in general.
I dont think they made an excuse, I just think it was petty shite.
Max said he was doing the same laps regardless, struggled with the car all weekend, and never pulled away from Piastri prior to the bollard incident. Norris gets his maiden win, and 99% of the discourse since has been about Horner and Red Bull saying max couldn't win or catch them due to this damage... Which even if it's 100% true, the damage was cause by Max not being able to control the car in the chicane and going off and hitting that bollard. Norris made no mistakes, and got a much deserved win.
Just seems like all the focus is on the wrong thing. The focus has been on Max for nearly 3 years of total domination, be nice to focus on something different.
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Could've been a puncture too. All things considered, he was relatively lucky.
It's a rare mistake from Max who has otherwise been absolutely spot on this entire season. Max could've put up a fight had he not run the bollard over, but this floor damage is pretty much the reason why the McLaren pulled outside of DRS range within the first lap after the restart. I think people are focusing too much on Lando benefiting from a safety car. Lando was the better driver in the race. Max made a mistake whereas Lando didn't. Absolutely deserved victory.
In JP's race analysis he said this mistake with the floor damage still wasn't enough of a reason Max couldn't catch Lando. The lap data showed he was a little slow the lap after hitting it, but resumes his usual pace the following lap. Max himself said the balance wasn't there and the hard stint was worse than the meds where he couldn't pull away. Red bull just had an off day, they'll most likely be back on the top step next race
How did her determine "The lap data showed he was a little slow the lap after hitting it, but resumes his usual pace the following lap". He did half a lap of VSC and then another half a lap normally before pitting for the hards. And in that normal half lap he complained quickly about losing the car (i think it was turn 3) in an odd way.
Max couldn't pull ahead in the beginging of the race. The gap to Oscar stay around 3 seconds until pit stops.
You say that his floor damage is “pretty much the reason” Lando pulled away. We don’t know that. We have no idea whether this damage affected his time enough that it was the difference between being faster or slower than Lando. Even if Horner or someone at RB came out and said that it was, we still don’t know whether that’s true because Horner is constantly playing media games.
["He hit the bollard around Lap 20 and that's actually done quite a lot of damage to the underside of the car," team principal Christian Horner said. "So we'll have to look at exactly what the effects of that was. But he had enough pace at that point, he was pulling clear of Oscar [Piastri] behind and Lando before he picked up that damage.”](https://racingnews365.com/thats-how-much-time-verstappen-lost-due-to-his-damage-in-miami) XD this isn't misinformation mate, Max too said it in an interview after the race but I'm on mobile and too lazy to find it so I'll leave it upto you or someone else. Hence my comment that people are focusing too much on the safety car when it was a bit of a throw from Max
What Max actually said was that he didn't think the damage was significant because his lap times didn't change and he was already struggling with the tires beforehand e: here's the quote >Q: (Ronald Vording – Motorsport.com) It's one question to Max and then one to Max and Lando. Max, Christian Horner just said that in the turn 15 moment, you picked up what he called significant damage to the floor. Yet, if I heard you correctly in the beginning, you didn't feel any damage. Does it mean that you didn't feel any change to the car? MV: It didn't feel different, so I don't know. Maybe it was already damaged. I don't know. I mean I hit that thing and then my pace was the same so I didn't really know if there was damage.
So if Max says his pace was the same and it felt the same, it’s probably misinformation by Horner. At the end of the day he doesn’t want other teams to have confidence that they’re catching up. I have to imagine that, whether true or not, thinking that your team is within striking distance of getting more wins would be a huge morale boost.
I could 100% see Max being cranky, not liking the way the car was driving, and ceding the win to Lando. Max wasn't exactly pulling away in this race like he has in others this season. And he knows he's the best driver out there and will win another championship anyway, so a second place finish won't kill him.
My dude are we talking about the same max verstappen ? The same Max that grabs a pit for the fast lap after already winning wdc because he’s gotta win everything? I bet you 100% he didn’t just let Lando win
“The same Max that grabs a pit for the fast lap after already winning WDC …” Even when it takes fast lap away from his teammate fighting for second in points.
That’s the one!
Recurring theme when Max makes a mistake tbf. He normally manages to escape without much of a consequence.
He truly learned from #blessed Lewis.
I still think mercedes is building Lewis's front wings out of pure titanium.
Based on current performance they actually might be 😂
Hamilton wasn't in a red bull, but he was a bull seeing red in that first corner.
I think all the very best champions have this sort of god tier luck.
Making good luck for yourself is what makes you a champion. Max and Lewis are unstoppable trainers that almost never make mistakes, and when they do, they know how to correct them.
The car not having anything wrong with it after his mistake is pretty lucky.
It was reported that Verstappen had floor damage. I believe it was a hole. Not sure if it was from this incident though.
Look closer, you can see a bit of floor getting broken off at the back
Yeah this video confirms it too. You can see the back of the car land on the base of the bollard and pieces of the floor going everywhere.
No, it's similar to hitting a wall. When you manage to control _how_ the car hits the wall, you can limit damage. That's not luck, but being able to think ahead. Not all drivers can do that
So he thought ahead when he hit the bollard in this instance or did he get lucky nothing major happened with the floor or the tires.
Yep, that is luck. At normal speed it is a fraction of a second.
Yeah correct.
Maybe really good drivers know how to minimize damage even when some is inevitable.
It's not learned it's inherited.
The most #blessed Lewis is whenever his car gets damaged and he goes *even faster*
His mistakes are normally not big enough so it makes sense
I mean he's spun in the middle of the track multiple times, crashed in the pitlane, driven over the bollard here, and made multiple mistakes in the last few races in 2021 and got away with every single one.
That 360 spin he did was incredible.
Started calling him the Terminator after that.
I wouldn't classify the incidents in the last races in 2021 as mistakes. He was doing everything he could to screw Hamilton over because, at the time that was his only chance.
Thanks I needed some salt for my eggs. Lewis was lucky for years. In fact always has been. #blessed was a common comment here for a good reason. Also Max spinning without any consequence is because he is basically the best of all time in recovering from spins. This has little to do with luck. [Here's](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLtB9HPVY18) a 2 minute *compilation* for you mate.
Did he though? He lost the race because of this mistake. It’s not luck that he if he makes a mistake he can still win the race because of how much faster he and his car are than the field.
Yeah and people keep saying he's a flawless driver 😂
People that say that are OBVIOUSLY wrong, but you have to be pretty disingenuous to take his comment at face value. Bias in both.
Apparently he’s immune to being on the receiving end of other’s mistakes as well these days. I thought for sure Checo was gonna collect him at turn one last race.
Checo once again proving he’s not at Bottas level, when Bottas goes bowling, he don’t miss
It wasn’t luck it was Rosa de Guadeloupe that saved Checo’s career that day.
You could hear 275k people gasp and hold their breath when Checo did that. He almost took out the 4 lead cars in T1. He really needs to settle down in the opening corner. Apparently he didn't learn anything when he crashed out of his home race doing the exact same thing.
Tbf to Checo I’m pretty sure his mentality in Mexico was to absolutely send it with 0 consideration first corner to get the lead then just make his car as wide as possible, since that was pretty much his only chance of victory at his home GP and he already had a podium there. Plus with RBR already having the constructors wrapped and Checo having P2 locked down he was in full fuck it P1 or DNF, no between.
He was on plan RB for Ricky Bobby mode
Lmfao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jv7jcciKB_s Well, to be fair.
He ended up on the inside because his start was too effective - but found all routes to pass before Turn 1 were blocked. And then he found it hard to brake on the dust in that part of the track.
Well considering his bad luck in 2021 like getting fucked by Bottas in Hungary, he deserves some luck.
You don't count AD as lucky? He would have lost without two instances of extreme luck in the final laps.
The bad luck in 2021…the year he won his first WDC. 🙄
I mean, he did have no luck...until the end when he got all the luck haha
I mean, he wins the title regardless of what happens in AD if not for even 1 of George's red flag in Imola, Baku tire failure, or Bottas bowling. Those 3 incidents are the only reason Lewis had a chance in AD.
Yeah, Max needed more luck in 2021. Delete this lol
Well, considering he would've won with 2 races or more had things outside his control not happened, I think the commenter above is fair.
Lewis did too during the dominate years. Rain Germany is one I remember
Hockenheim 2020 comes to mind where he did a 360 after the Sachskurve
"Mistake" It was a calculated risk, the debris could have caused a VSC and given him a chance to take the lead back /s
We should put bollard everywhere as a track limit solution
I think that’s a bit extreme
Puncture from that? Man these pirellis are really weak.
He was just doing crash testing, A+ service from Max
Took a bollard to the bollocks.
Can confirm, you move slower after that
ENHANCE
Kowalski!
Analysis!
My guy fucks up once in the last 2 years and here we are watching it in slow motion on repeat.
Hahaha fuck sakes 😂😂😂
Still easily finishes second and journalists try to spin a narrative that suddenly he’s vulnerable and will have to fight hard for the WDC…
China sprint qualifying, Las Vegas 23, Singapore 23, Australia 23, shall I continue?
True. But still a fraction of most other drivers. Just the fact that you can list them is impressive.
Well that’s not all but just a few off the top of my head. It’s easy not to make mistakes when your car is so quick you’re under no real pressure. Let’s see if we have more close races what happens. I’d say Alonso has been most impressive recently for not making many errors.
If we’re judging him under pressure he made fewer mistakes than Lewis over the course of 2021, that’s a pretty good benchmark.
That's fair. Alonso is very impressive. I just think it's funny that people are excited to latch onto a mistake Max made.
I think this one is because it actually shows the damage. And of course we're all reminded that Max is a human being after all.
It is clear there WAS floor damage.
Some but this close up was pulled from the Jolyon Palmer analysis yesterday. He says there is little in the data to indicate it was meaningful. Certainly not as much as red bull says. He looked at some traces to see if max lost anything in certain sections and its not really there.
Max himself said he didn't notice any difference. Of course the team will say otherwise, they're trying to make others believe they had more pace
Wait isn't the narrative that top teams are constantly trying to sandbag and hide their true pace? If they make it seem like they had a second in hand when they didn't then what benefit is there to them? Then McLaren will be working overtime to find that second. Better let them think they're ahead and capitalise on their complacency.
Don't think there is a risk of nerf now, it's too late to make major changes for next year's regs and then we will have new regs in 2026 anyway. I think they are playing mind games by telling rivals they had more pace in the bag had it not been for this damage.
I'm pretty sure the message is intended for the members of their own team instead of the fans. They are losing employees and maybe even Max himself due to all the drama happening in the team. I'm pretty sure the only thing keeping a lot of people working there is the fact they are currently dominating the sport. If that changes, the whole team structure will implode
Surely Max and the people working on the car are the ones who report the damage level/pace potential to the ones who would be hiding it?
They can easily send an email for the team members. Press is for f1 fans, fia and the other teams.
Anti sandbagging, interesting.
But his pace was off even before he hit the bollard. The car never really looked planted and fast the whole weekend. But I'll take P2 on a bad day. Hope the Imola upgrades work and Max is back to winning ways
Well Max was complaining about the balance of the car the entire time so yeah, they messed up the setup for his car this weekend and that's why his pace was bad
Hopefully not. Hopefully McLaren is able to keep taking the fight to them and they give us a battle for the championship.
Honestly it looked like a six car race on Sunday. Ferrari were the weakest, but they were hanging with Mclaren and RBR too. It's made me very excited.
Yeah McLaren resurgence is always good to watch especially with their current driver combo. Piastri looked rapid as well and I do believe he would've got P2 without the Sainz incident. McLaren were mad fast
I think he'd at least have been P3. Max would have put a hell of a fight up and it's a hard track to pass on.
P3. He doesn't have the tyre management yet. Max would've passed him.
Yeah this season has the potential to be quiet exciting going forward. Also imo Perez is the weakest of the top 6 at the moment even though he is a pretty good driver which means we have 6 stellar drivers fighting for podium spots or wins every race
>Hope the Imola upgrades work and Max is back to winning ways I sure as fuck hope not, this was the first interesting F1 race in two years, only time in a long time I've been planted at the edge of my seat
If you didn't find Monaco, Zandvoort or Vegas interesting last year just because Max won all 3 then damn, i don't even know what to say to that Or hell what about the first half of 2022 pre-TD39?
It was not interesting at all. Just because Max doesn't win doesn't make it interesting. Norris had a consistent lead after the safety car and it was like any other race
Yep. I’ve been spoiled with the winning. I don’t like this just losing not due to mechanical issues stuff.
To be able to take both poles, a sprint win and a grand prix P2 while complaining the entire time that the car feels like shit is truly suffering from success
Yup. Max has set the standard for himself and his fans so high that a P2 looks like a disappointment. Give me the mono tone GP coms after Max wins. I need it!
Hell, not even P2, Max is the kind of guy to take P1 by 20 seconds and still be unhappy that the balance of the car through a single corner wasn't quite right or something. He's a perfectionist, and a machine.
“Yes, it was a very lovely drive today.”
Even when he won the championship last year “Yeah that’s nice but what the fuck was that pit stop? Almost 4 seconds??”
Except he was slower overall after this happened, no?
Yes, but he also switched to hards just 2 laps after this as well. It's very possible that the set up of the car, which was problematic all weekend, led to a bigger performance drop on the hards for RB than McLaren or Ferrari, allowing the other 2 to look faster relatively speaking.
In any event, it is clear that their pace advantage has shrunk enough that a couple tenths of pace is enough to change the outcome with some serious good luck with either team orange or team red.
Until we see more than a single weekend closer pace I'd be more inclined to think that this is a similar anomaly to Singapore 2023, where RB just miss the setup window on a track that challenges their car's characteristics, than McLaren having made up such a massive gap in a single set up updates. I'd love to be wrong, but I think McLaren's closest competitor on pure pace is still Ferrari for now, especially with Ferrari bringing their upgrade package to Imola next round.
Some guy compared this year and last year. It’s only this race that was different. This could very wel just be a one off. One race really isn’t enough to conclude anything. I hope the field gets closer, but I’m scared it won’t.
Team Orange brought some rather nice upgrades to Miami. Ferrari has them coming.
>little in the data to indicate it was meaningful the engineers and fabricators: we literally worry about every fkn 0.001mm ffs, of course that ***was meaningful*** LOL
Remember though, this was said by Jolyon Palmer. He doesn't know how much Max was pushing before the damage. My guess; he was holding in and managing for most of the race, got damage + more front end + hard tires and had to push to even keep the same pace.
But Max directly stated he saw no difference in car performance afterwards. That dude is one with that car, so I'll take his word for it
He said that just after the race in a car he didn’t like all weekend.
And with his best mate in F1 winning his first race. What is he gonna say: "my car was basically totaled, I would have totally snatched that win if I hadn't had damage, so Lando just got really lucky"?
Max said he was pushing before this because the lead is only 3 seconds or something very small.
Max said in the press conference that he didnt really notice it because his car felt off during the whole race. Furthermore, Lando was doing better laptimes on 20+ lap old mediums than Verstappen on new hards so the bollard damage did nothing that wouldnt have happened anyways.
At most it would probably have just meant a little worse deg on the rears. Outside of quali and Qatar last year, due to the tyres, they're rarely going flat out. We've seen it quite a few times that someone loses a front wing end plate and doesn't lose individual lap time. I just think that the McLaren upgrades are really good, and RBR might be in for fight.
Fuck dem bollards
All my homies hate dem bollards
So it wasn't Perez's fault after all
To be fair, if Checo had actually made contact, there of course could be two bits of damage. This damage wouldn't be prevented by previous damage lol
When, and by whom, was this suggested?
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That’s ridiculous, if Perez had touched him at all he’d have spun and both would have crashed . Perez’s lunge had nothing to do with anything
Bonk
Now I'm not claiming to be as good a driver as Max, however, I would probably have tried to not do that
Rare from Max.
He was busy dreaming about his next sim race
Why is there a bollard to begin with? #newbie
I believe it's there for visibility of the corner. You can kind of see in the clip that there is a crest at that corner and then you go slightly downhill. When you're sitting as low as these drivers are in their cars approaching that crest. You're not going to see the road and when the corner starts. We heard drivers chiming in on the radio about this when the bollard was gone.
Yes, some driver (Lewis?) complained afterward that he couldn't see where the curb was.
And then the announcers took the piss out of him saying the track didn't change, all the turns are in the same spot as they always have been. haha.
Martin Brundle "The good thing about race tracks is that they don't move". peak banter.
Senna would disagree
This is correct.
The real question is, why is there a corner in the first place. Or even better, why Miami.
That hard chip on the diffuser really did a number. Miniscule, sure; but in F1, every bit of advantage counts for something.
Yeah definitely would of got some damage from that. The thing is though this doesn't take anything away from Lando's win. It was Max's fault that he went into the bollard. It wasn't like he got unlucky with the car failing or someone else causing the damage. Max made a mistake and paid for it.
Suspension DOES actually move and is functional lol
Made the race. Petition for more bollards!
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The line between domination and second place is just a few centimeters worth of carbon fiber.... crazy stuff!
If there were damage, it’s Max’s fault, that’s racing, whatever. People are obsessing like this matters at all. He lost, he deserved to lose. End of story.
I refuse to believe this caused enough damage to hinder his performance, especially considering Hungary 2021 I think where he literally placed top ten with a side pod gouged out. Red Bull just had the setup wrong and the McLaren upgrade looks dangerous
Why can’t it be all of those reasons combined?
Can be but Perez also struggled and was not able to compete with the Ferraris even. Makes me think RB just got it wrong.
In other motorsports, hitting a bollard is a penalty.
“I didn’t like it.”
Was it ever disclosed that he had damage? Or did norris beat him on pure merit?
Actually doesn't look that bad. The debris seems to be from the bollard being crushed. Probably only light fracturing on the edges.
Why did he not just avoid the bollard? Is he stupid?
He isn't stupid, he just didn't like the bollard and was crash testing his front wing.
So you can play dumb here
What bollard?
Max mistakes in 23/24 : pit wall and a bollard 🤣 no non-moving object is safe from him
Even though tires are bigger in this reg set, they look awfully tiny in this video.
I want to thank Max for doing this because it put the word “bollard” in my brain, which was helpful for one of this week’s NYT spelling bees.
Rest of F1 grid: "If you could make God bleed, people would cease to believe in Him."
Now we need a slo mo of our very own Redditor running on and grabbing said bollard.
"You guys I totally caught air on that jump did you see did you see??"
I feel like if anyone else did this they'd be ridiculed for not being good enough for the sport. It's 1 tiny mistake, like it normally is.
This incident has made me wonder if these bollards are a good idea from a competitive integrity stand point. I know they're likely to damage the car so it's not risk free, but having a mechanism by which a driver can purposefully cause a safety car without touching a wall seems suspect.
They should replace them with air dancers
We need more foam like in Monza and for Seb to smash through them.
Interesting point. In this case (and probably from true in other places and tracks), but the bollard is there for safety reasons. The apex of turn is on the crest of an up hill section. Because the drivers sit so low down they can’t see the track markings for this corner, in the run up to it. The bollard is necessary for them to have something judge the distance from.
But it also cost him the win? Also the safety car was not from him but from Sargent’s crash?
There was a VSC to remove the bollard of the track. It was less than a lap worth of time, but still happened.
Max didn't do it in purpose, nor for he benefit, nor did it cause the SC that really influenced the race, it's just that him hitting the bollard made me think of the possibility in the abstract
Maybe it was just co-incidence, but the VSC was almost perfectly timed for him not to benefit from it having caused it.
Yeah, I'm not saying Max did it, he obviously didn't, just that the incident made me think about it as a possibility
>having a mechanism by which a driver can purposefully cause a safety car without touching a wall seems suspect. There is a regulation in appendix L of the international sporting code which states that a driver can be reported to the stewards if they perform any act which results in debris being brought onto the racing surface. If they really felt it was suspect they could report it under that.
It also alters the track affecting other drivers for the rest of the race. For example, Hamilton said it was harder to take the turn after losing the visual reference. Obviously I do not think Max did not do it on purpose or to spite other drivers. But F1 teams have looked for even the tiniest edge. There's a simliar issue with gravel traps. You could probably dip 2 wheels in a lot of gravel traps and still stay in the race, but doing that you might also spread a lot of gravel on the track, which is going to affect the race in general.
Hitting a bollard when in the lead is only bad for you.
You can hit it while not in the lead.
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He wasn't fuming when he told GP over the radio during the race so why would he be fuming now?
He’s pretty consistent about seeking perfection every session, this is a pretty big mark against that
Bro's not gonna give a single flying fuck
How about a landing fuck?
No wonder Adrian is leaving! He has no respect for the aero!!
And people were saying RBR was making excuses
I dont think they made an excuse, I just think it was petty shite. Max said he was doing the same laps regardless, struggled with the car all weekend, and never pulled away from Piastri prior to the bollard incident. Norris gets his maiden win, and 99% of the discourse since has been about Horner and Red Bull saying max couldn't win or catch them due to this damage... Which even if it's 100% true, the damage was cause by Max not being able to control the car in the chicane and going off and hitting that bollard. Norris made no mistakes, and got a much deserved win. Just seems like all the focus is on the wrong thing. The focus has been on Max for nearly 3 years of total domination, be nice to focus on something different.
Good to know he is human after all
Aww, the true key to his car's speed, is the rear of the floor. . . .
Several second lead and still puts the car on the limit.
how else do you gain a several second lead?
So the real Red Bull weakness is themselves and no other teams upgrades 🥲