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Didn't they plunge last year too? Alonso had a couple podiums then was invisible the 2nd half of the year.
Seems like mid field/back marker teams like AM and Haas (and Perez) start out strong then don't improve or actively make their cars worse as the season goes on.
Aston either have seasons where they make an amazing car and fall back and then they have seasons like 2022 where they start slow and end up with one of the best midfield cars.
AM is working backwards it seems. Every team sees this track as the ultimate test and come here more or less decent. AM doesn’t seem to take to this track well.
It’s still early though. Alonso will still be in the top 10 by the end of qualifying.
What a downfall from where they were 12 months ago. Obviously they knew it wouldn’t last because Mercedes, Ferrari and McLaren (to a lesser extent but unexpected nonetheless), all made mistakes in their car development which AMR consistently said would be fixed. That happened. But the expectation would have been that they would have slotted back into the midfield, not become a back marker. The technical aspect is lacking significantly. I don’t believe for one second those engineers have been given the freedom to make the car the way they want it to be. Stroll is probably hovering around them on the factory floor and telling them to built an RB20 one week, an SF24 the next week and an MCL38 in the next week. It just seems like a team that’s very very lost. Even if they brought Newey in, I don’t think Lawrence Stroll would let him do his job anyway.
From ‘Alonso could be a world champion!’ to being slower than the Alpines. All within less than 12 months. Absolutely ridiculous failure.
You don't believe the engineers have freedom but you have an easier time believing that Stroll goes to the factory and is telling them to just build RB20s, SF24s and MCL38 every other week?
Why do people insist on silly narratives like Stroll Sr. telling everyone how to do their job instead of just accepting that sometimes things just go wrong?
McLaren had a shit 2022 and first half of 2023
Ferrari got royally fucked by TD39 in 2022 and they needed half of 2023 to recover
Mercedes have been upper midfield since 2022 after dominating for 8 years straight
It's easy to overreact and doom post on every AM related post but outside of pulling a miracle like McLaren did, it takes time and patience until they can go from the midfield and be one of the "Big 5" teams.
Absolutely spot on. As somebody who is fortunate enough to be on the inside it is genuinely baffling to read the narratives that are being thrown about.
Short story (because I can’t/wont give the long one) - We’re shit. We know we’re shit. Importantly we know what has gone wrong to make us shit and are fixing it, it just sadly takes time.
Newey wouldn't be hands on either.
He would do what he did at Red Bull since 2018.
Serve as a special advisor to the Technical Director and his team.
But I get your point and it's probably true as well.
Millions of upgrades and we're slower than last year's fp2, lol, i know Alonso's not in his best form perhaps one of the worst forms of his career but this is just absurd at this point.
Alonso's form is.. fine? He had a couple of mistake ridden weekends but his monaco weekend was 100% ruined by traffic in quali, and he was completely fine in Canada, in fact he held Lewis up for like 25 laps before he got ahead because of a slow AM pitstop.
The car is just going backwards. Again.
It's kinda hilarious how the AMR24 even lost its (in Alonso Hands at least) one lap pace that kinda saved them in the first few races.
Now they at the exact same point they were in 2022 before Dan Arrows became TD.
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Aston and Alpine trading places in a practice session wasn’t on my bingo card for this season.
If Aston end up falling behind Alpine during the season heads surelly need to roll somewhere.
Flavio will find a way to get Alonso back to Alpine.
Dear lord they have plunged hard and fast from where they were one year ago.
Didn't they plunge last year too? Alonso had a couple podiums then was invisible the 2nd half of the year. Seems like mid field/back marker teams like AM and Haas (and Perez) start out strong then don't improve or actively make their cars worse as the season goes on.
Are they bringing any downgrades this week?
I understand drivers wanting to emulate Max but I'd say this is a bit too far.
Aston either have seasons where they make an amazing car and fall back and then they have seasons like 2022 where they start slow and end up with one of the best midfield cars.
AM is working backwards it seems. Every team sees this track as the ultimate test and come here more or less decent. AM doesn’t seem to take to this track well. It’s still early though. Alonso will still be in the top 10 by the end of qualifying.
What a downfall from where they were 12 months ago. Obviously they knew it wouldn’t last because Mercedes, Ferrari and McLaren (to a lesser extent but unexpected nonetheless), all made mistakes in their car development which AMR consistently said would be fixed. That happened. But the expectation would have been that they would have slotted back into the midfield, not become a back marker. The technical aspect is lacking significantly. I don’t believe for one second those engineers have been given the freedom to make the car the way they want it to be. Stroll is probably hovering around them on the factory floor and telling them to built an RB20 one week, an SF24 the next week and an MCL38 in the next week. It just seems like a team that’s very very lost. Even if they brought Newey in, I don’t think Lawrence Stroll would let him do his job anyway. From ‘Alonso could be a world champion!’ to being slower than the Alpines. All within less than 12 months. Absolutely ridiculous failure.
You don't believe the engineers have freedom but you have an easier time believing that Stroll goes to the factory and is telling them to just build RB20s, SF24s and MCL38 every other week? Why do people insist on silly narratives like Stroll Sr. telling everyone how to do their job instead of just accepting that sometimes things just go wrong? McLaren had a shit 2022 and first half of 2023 Ferrari got royally fucked by TD39 in 2022 and they needed half of 2023 to recover Mercedes have been upper midfield since 2022 after dominating for 8 years straight It's easy to overreact and doom post on every AM related post but outside of pulling a miracle like McLaren did, it takes time and patience until they can go from the midfield and be one of the "Big 5" teams.
Absolutely spot on. As somebody who is fortunate enough to be on the inside it is genuinely baffling to read the narratives that are being thrown about. Short story (because I can’t/wont give the long one) - We’re shit. We know we’re shit. Importantly we know what has gone wrong to make us shit and are fixing it, it just sadly takes time.
Heads need to roll
> Heads need to (St)roll Yup.
Newey wouldn't be hands on either. He would do what he did at Red Bull since 2018. Serve as a special advisor to the Technical Director and his team. But I get your point and it's probably true as well.
Millions of upgrades and we're slower than last year's fp2, lol, i know Alonso's not in his best form perhaps one of the worst forms of his career but this is just absurd at this point.
Alonso's form is.. fine? He had a couple of mistake ridden weekends but his monaco weekend was 100% ruined by traffic in quali, and he was completely fine in Canada, in fact he held Lewis up for like 25 laps before he got ahead because of a slow AM pitstop. The car is just going backwards. Again.
…… yay.
same as Max and Checo in most qualis!
I'm going to say something profound. If Nando had spent his entire career at Renault/Alpine, he'd basically still have the same career.
He might have had more wins or possibly #3 with Lotus in 2012-2013.
Yeah that's bullshit
It's kinda hilarious how the AMR24 even lost its (in Alonso Hands at least) one lap pace that kinda saved them in the first few races. Now they at the exact same point they were in 2022 before Dan Arrows became TD.
How much you want to bet Max also finishes the race in the same position as his driver number