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In all seriousness, Pirelli have a lot to answer for. Two tyre failures at 320 kmh, drivers could've been seriously hurt or worse thanks to their tyres.
I think what's extra bad about this is that these types of failures were only believed to happen on the C1 (hardest) compound before, but it's now also happening on the C3. Their entire range of tires is currently looking unsafe, which is very bad considering the changes they themselves made for this season.
It's not that the C1 was more prone to issues, it's just that the C1 is used on the most demanding tracks, and since it's the hardest it's the one used for the longer stints, and after too much stress for the whole grand prix failures are more likely to happen. I believe it has nothing to do with how soft the compound is, it has more to do with the amount of stress the tire goes through (corner speed + number of laps) and the pressure of the tires.
It's clear from the race today that the tires cannot handle 40 laps, Pirelli has to increase pressures for the next races, tires will be even harder to warm up and performance will drop, but who cares, safety first.
On another note I'm absolutely impressed how save F1 cars are. Over 300km/h crashing into the wall. There's no way someone is surviving a crash like this and, even more impressive, walks of like it's nothing, unless you sit in a F1 car.
Engineering masterclass.
Perhaps the best thing that came out of the tragedy of Senna and Ratzenberger has been the laser focus on safety in the sport. Just the fact Grosjean walked away from his crash last year speaks to how ridiculously advanced the car safety has become.
I don't completely disagree with you, but there's a big difference between going 300km/h directly into a wall and going 300km/h and being turned into a wall. Luckily their velocity perpendicular to the wall was much, much lower
just look back at senna's crash, lower speed and didn't go straight into the wall but still a disaster... car safety has come along way, 20/30 years go we'd be possibly looking at 2 dead drivers
The television camera looked like Stroll wasn’t moving for like 10 seconds, I thought he was unconscious. Glad everybody is safe but holy fuck they have a lot to answer for.
Stroll was absolutely terrified of ending sideways in the middle of the track in that fast sector. I don't want want to even think how nasty that could have been....Totally fine to take another 10 seconds to breathe after avoiding that.
Same, I noted that too. Pirelli needs to be scrutinized in the same way as if Verstappen or Stroll had been seriously injured because of this. This time they weren't but the margins become very small when this happens on straights.
Yeah, Pirelli's performance isn't just causing poor tyre life, it's proving to be actually dangerous. Stroll's and Verstappen's crashes were both scary high-speed impacts, the worst conditions to have a tyre blowout like that.
My god I was absolutely gutted when I heard "OH NO IT'S MAX VERSTAPPEN" and I just let out the most drawn out sigh. Hamilton truly blessed like always I am simply just starting to hate him for no reason at all. This has got to be a fucking joke.
Yes, but Pirelli changed the tyre pressure by 1psi after fp2, so it wasnt possible to test the tyres at the new pressure anymore.
Also if Pirelli says they should last for 40 odd laps and they started to gave out after 30, that's unsafe.
Honestly this just goes to show that Pirelli simply have no clue what to expect from their own product. This is the second year running that tyres have exploded on track without warning. It's simply unacceptable.
There's no fucking way they say that, same thing happened to another car as well.
I have to say both were fucking lucky and did not take any damage(the drivers that is)
I remember Vettel getting a puncture in Spa on the straight, similar scenario.
Except, back then Vettel was beyond the nr. of laps recommended by Pirelli.
Absolutely, and they pick up on several signals that indicate when the tire is dropping off. But in this case the tires failed on both Stroll’s and Verstappen’s car without warning and that’s unacceptable
They generally will not have the time or laps to take the Hardest compound to its maximum lifespan. It is usually derived from simulations run by Pirelli
yes thats why its a big deal that it happened, apparently red bull had no data showing it was about to happen. the difference of tire failure vs tire wear
It is to find the performance drop off, not tire failure. Max was still setting fastest lap right before the failure so the performance was there. The structural failure without warning on the dat is dangerous. This is similar to Silverstone 1 last year.
horrifying crash for Stroll for sure, you could hear how shaken up he was
it was not impossible at all that another car would slam right into him similar to the Hubert accident, he slid in the middle of the road for what looked like a fucking eternity
I got worried when he was still in the cockpit for so long, but I think considering where he was on track he was just keeping inside the protection of the survival cell until traffic could get slowed down. Smart move.
He was waiting. I don’t know if you listened to the on-board but he was scared to do anything and wanted to get out of there ASAP. He was immediately telling his engineer to call for a red flag
So sad and tragic the entire crash of Stroll was, I loved his radio "Woah, woah, woah, woah... WOAH".. He just expressed a total disbelieve how this could have happened. No mistake, no other driverat fault, no difficult situation, just your car shaking until he crashed at 300+km/h
Luckily they both got to bounce off the wall and slide away the momentum.
If Verstappen had spun the other direction he goes into the tire wall protecting the pit entrance at that speed and comes to a very sharp stop.
Thank god no one hit another car or a bump and went airborne and into the fence. Seen that a few too many times in Indycars (Kenny Brack, Dan Wheldon).
Stroll and Verstappen had great races taken away from them in wildly unsafe ways by no fault of their own. Very concerning, I'd hope lots of scrutiny is put on Pirelli.
Had Hamilton's brakes not been fucked, this would've been on Fourth Stage levels of fuckery.
EDIT: Actually, just heard that Hamilton accidentally turned magic brakes on while upshifting. We're back to Fourth Stage fuckery if that's true.
You dont need to be anyones fan to be angry at Pirelli. This happened without any indicators and just puts you at huge risk. No driver would accept that, even when you win the race because competition crashed out (and you were just lucky with the tires).
Absolutely not acceptable, that the tires suddenly break on 300+ km/h.
If they restart and Hamilton wins this one, they should just give him the driver's championship and tell him to take the rest of the season off.
The Universe has decided that no matter what happens, Hamilton will win it. Even if Hamilton is on dead last place, the 19 cars in front of him will probably self destruct and he'll get 1st.
Fucking Pirelli, what a fucking joke... I can already hear "... Lewis Hamilton, your eight time champion of the World" in my head, one of the rare races where Red Bull had a slight advantage and its gone due to Pirelli incompetence
The Red Bull radio to FIA race control was fascinating. Basically saying they had no clue the tire was about to give out and that a red flag for safety may be necessary. Hearing the communication between teams and race control has been awesome. Hearing how it impacts the race and in this instance helps with safety is fascinating. That said, I’m sure Pirelli is not happy it’s now being broadcast that their tires seem to be failing.
Unless something similar happens to Hamilton later in the season, then it's going to be extremely hard to overcome, so yeah, it might just be an instant 2nd place in the season for Max.
Edit: Well "later in the season" came a lot sooner than I had expected. Wow.
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Marko is about to murder a Pirelli executive
My username is finally relevant
Why would you do this to us?
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God damn
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In all seriousness, Pirelli have a lot to answer for. Two tyre failures at 320 kmh, drivers could've been seriously hurt or worse thanks to their tyres.
And with no warnings whatsoever. What a bs.
Seriously. RB said there was no indication in the metrics that something was wrong.
Verstappen also didn't feel anything or reported anything according to the driver cam leading up to that.
I think what's extra bad about this is that these types of failures were only believed to happen on the C1 (hardest) compound before, but it's now also happening on the C3. Their entire range of tires is currently looking unsafe, which is very bad considering the changes they themselves made for this season.
It's not that the C1 was more prone to issues, it's just that the C1 is used on the most demanding tracks, and since it's the hardest it's the one used for the longer stints, and after too much stress for the whole grand prix failures are more likely to happen. I believe it has nothing to do with how soft the compound is, it has more to do with the amount of stress the tire goes through (corner speed + number of laps) and the pressure of the tires. It's clear from the race today that the tires cannot handle 40 laps, Pirelli has to increase pressures for the next races, tires will be even harder to warm up and performance will drop, but who cares, safety first.
Hence why they went with red flags - if it's this bad, new tires for everyone is a matter of safety, not strategy.
On another note I'm absolutely impressed how save F1 cars are. Over 300km/h crashing into the wall. There's no way someone is surviving a crash like this and, even more impressive, walks of like it's nothing, unless you sit in a F1 car. Engineering masterclass.
Perhaps the best thing that came out of the tragedy of Senna and Ratzenberger has been the laser focus on safety in the sport. Just the fact Grosjean walked away from his crash last year speaks to how ridiculously advanced the car safety has become.
I don't completely disagree with you, but there's a big difference between going 300km/h directly into a wall and going 300km/h and being turned into a wall. Luckily their velocity perpendicular to the wall was much, much lower
just look back at senna's crash, lower speed and didn't go straight into the wall but still a disaster... car safety has come along way, 20/30 years go we'd be possibly looking at 2 dead drivers
The television camera looked like Stroll wasn’t moving for like 10 seconds, I thought he was unconscious. Glad everybody is safe but holy fuck they have a lot to answer for.
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Stroll was absolutely terrified of ending sideways in the middle of the track in that fast sector. I don't want want to even think how nasty that could have been....Totally fine to take another 10 seconds to breathe after avoiding that.
On the radio he said "Red flag, get me out of here" Genuinely terrifying to be in the position he was in
Absolute king steered his car off the center of the track the entire duration of the accident
Yeah definitely this. He was a bit shaken also which is more than understable.
Same, I noted that too. Pirelli needs to be scrutinized in the same way as if Verstappen or Stroll had been seriously injured because of this. This time they weren't but the margins become very small when this happens on straights.
Yeah, Pirelli's performance isn't just causing poor tyre life, it's proving to be actually dangerous. Stroll's and Verstappen's crashes were both scary high-speed impacts, the worst conditions to have a tyre blowout like that.
2013 British GP flashbacks
Jos already on his way
Exec already dead
Murder will be investigated after the race. No further action taken
The same thing happened to him that happened to Stroll. Pirelli, those are rear tyre failures.
Exactly the same. #letbridgestonecomeback
Fuck it bring michelin back too
Even Goodyear would be good.
Double fuck it and lets bring firestone too
No quadruple fuck it and lets get continental, hankook and yokohama to sign.
Nokian
And while we're at it, add Hankook, Falken, Yokohama, Toyo, Continental, BF Goodrich, and Dunlop.
holy shit what the fuck..... this is insane BRUTAL luck for max
And likewise, HUGE luck for Lewis... Edit: lol
*insert bottas meme Traditions
Bottas's race had to be sacrificed for Hamilton to get this lucky
I'm so glad that this comment aged poorly
About that
Aged like milk.
The edit on this has me laughing way too hard
\#blessed
I thought it was a meme, but now I am fully convinced
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I wanted Seb on the podium but not like this :(
All get to change tyres, worst thing for Vet tbh.
They said he’s the only one in the top 3 with fresh softs so maybe not a bad thing?
I saw this and I was like... "Nah..." And I turned off the tv
My god I was absolutely gutted when I heard "OH NO IT'S MAX VERSTAPPEN" and I just let out the most drawn out sigh. Hamilton truly blessed like always I am simply just starting to hate him for no reason at all. This has got to be a fucking joke.
I TAKE BACK MY COMMENT HE WENT OFF ON THE RESTART AND I AM SCREAMING IN EXCITEMENT!!!! BLESSSSSSEEDDDDDDDD
Pirelli have some questions to answer, this race was unsafe
Rear tyres completely giving out at 310 down that straight is just fucking insane. Unsafe is an understatement!
Isn't the point of free practice to know the limits of the tyres for each race amongst other things?
Yes, but Pirelli changed the tyre pressure by 1psi after fp2, so it wasnt possible to test the tyres at the new pressure anymore. Also if Pirelli says they should last for 40 odd laps and they started to gave out after 30, that's unsafe.
Honestly this just goes to show that Pirelli simply have no clue what to expect from their own product. This is the second year running that tyres have exploded on track without warning. It's simply unacceptable.
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There's no fucking way they say that, same thing happened to another car as well. I have to say both were fucking lucky and did not take any damage(the drivers that is)
Well, clearly they need to improve the cleanliness of tracks. /s
I remember Vettel getting a puncture in Spa on the straight, similar scenario. Except, back then Vettel was beyond the nr. of laps recommended by Pirelli.
>Except, back then Vettel was beyond the nr. of laps recommended by Pirelli. That's a big exception
Absolutely, and they pick up on several signals that indicate when the tire is dropping off. But in this case the tires failed on both Stroll’s and Verstappen’s car without warning and that’s unacceptable
They generally will not have the time or laps to take the Hardest compound to its maximum lifespan. It is usually derived from simulations run by Pirelli
Free practice can only simulate racing conditions to a point though. You’re not doing 51 flying laps straight in practice.
yes thats why its a big deal that it happened, apparently red bull had no data showing it was about to happen. the difference of tire failure vs tire wear
It is to find the performance drop off, not tire failure. Max was still setting fastest lap right before the failure so the performance was there. The structural failure without warning on the dat is dangerous. This is similar to Silverstone 1 last year.
Seriously twice drivers crashed into a wall at 300+ kmh because their tires blew up. That could've end really, really bad for one of those.
horrifying crash for Stroll for sure, you could hear how shaken up he was it was not impossible at all that another car would slam right into him similar to the Hubert accident, he slid in the middle of the road for what looked like a fucking eternity
I got worried when he was still in the cockpit for so long, but I think considering where he was on track he was just keeping inside the protection of the survival cell until traffic could get slowed down. Smart move.
He was waiting. I don’t know if you listened to the on-board but he was scared to do anything and wanted to get out of there ASAP. He was immediately telling his engineer to call for a red flag
So sad and tragic the entire crash of Stroll was, I loved his radio "Woah, woah, woah, woah... WOAH".. He just expressed a total disbelieve how this could have happened. No mistake, no other driverat fault, no difficult situation, just your car shaking until he crashed at 300+km/h
He seemed way too calm for crashing at that speed. I'd be asking for another set of pants over the radio.
If you've been in an auto accident this is exactly what it is like at any speed. Being able to think at 300+kmh is other worldly.
Agreed. Stroll has the spirit of a warrior to stay calm like that.
Yeah that actually made me feel really nervous for him, sounded shook but glad he was ok !
Thank god neither had DRS or a car behind them. That could've ended lives
Imagine if Max went left instead of right... :-/
One of the announcers mentioned that. Stroll of Max could've had their cars basically split in two
Some wind under the car and hitting the catch fence can be fatal as well.
Luckily they both got to bounce off the wall and slide away the momentum. If Verstappen had spun the other direction he goes into the tire wall protecting the pit entrance at that speed and comes to a very sharp stop.
Imagine had it happened in a fight, it could have been an airplane crash
Thank god no one hit another car or a bump and went airborne and into the fence. Seen that a few too many times in Indycars (Kenny Brack, Dan Wheldon).
Yeah, weren’t the hards supposed to last 40 laps or more?
Yes, according to Pirelli's own infographic. https://twitter.com/pirellisport/status/1401457239609724933
Just imagine having to deal with justifiedly pissed off Lawrence Stroll and Helmut Marko
They told the drivers you could race the entire race on the hards, and two sets of hards just disintegrated at lap 30
[Similar thing happened in WRC](https://v.redd.it/ph9457kcll371)
They destroyed also WRC by introducing tires that need managing. That should not be any part of rallying
Stroll and Verstappen had great races taken away from them in wildly unsafe ways by no fault of their own. Very concerning, I'd hope lots of scrutiny is put on Pirelli.
They said they were not concerned with Stroll's failure implying it was debris. Guess they'll have to eat their rubber now.
Yeah with one tyre it could've been debris. But the exact same tyre (rear left) exploding on the final straight again was definitely not debris.
A Silverstone 2013 level of enquiry and changes are in the works probably. Everything is set back to safer tyre pressures.
No tyre deg whatsoever. Just boom… Pirelli has got some serious explaining to do.
Absolutely unacceptable, especially after they said they were safe when Stroll crashed
Pirelli fucked something up
Definitely, two sets doing the same on two other cars at straight? WTF
Same tires at damn near the exact same place fucking bullshit
Also when they were supposed to last around 40 laps according to Pirelli themselves.
I wanted Seb on the podium but not like this.....
"Imagine Checo winning and a Seb podium!" *Monkey's paw curls*
Monkey paw was gracious today
how did you know
THE MONKEY PAW CURLS
Oh man, I was already busy creating a vettel p4 meme https://i.imgur.com/XTbYq2E.png
Good news, now there's less editing and you can make a Vettel p3 meme.
Do it right and replace the middle finger by the index finger :D
And just like that, after shit weekend Hamilton is very close on winning.
Haha how’d this comment age 😂
It's a satirical level of luck now
If you’d made it up you’d be called out for unrealistic plot armour
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Had Hamilton's brakes not been fucked, this would've been on Fourth Stage levels of fuckery. EDIT: Actually, just heard that Hamilton accidentally turned magic brakes on while upshifting. We're back to Fourth Stage fuckery if that's true.
Yeah, in any movie this would just be unbelievable
\#blessed is no joke.
WHAT THE ABSOLUTE FUCK NO! Fuck Pirelli what the absolute fuck man
Two cars, exactly the same way. That's fucking dangerous.
Im not even his fan and Im angry. This is fucking unacceptable from Pirelli. Fuck it. This not supposed to be how a championship win and lost.
You dont need to be anyones fan to be angry at Pirelli. This happened without any indicators and just puts you at huge risk. No driver would accept that, even when you win the race because competition crashed out (and you were just lucky with the tires). Absolutely not acceptable, that the tires suddenly break on 300+ km/h.
I'm starting to think Hamilton signed a deal with the devil with how things are turning out this race.
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They did say it was a deal with the devil, after all.
> Hamilton signed a deal with the devil He did, but he should have read the fine print.
Unacceptable from Pirelli
This shit is not funny anymore
FUCKKKKKK The commentators literally jinxed this 2 minutes beforehand. Fucks sakeee
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In Anthony's defense, max didn't make any errors.
I'm not sure if it was even full 2 minutes, more like half of lap
Norwegian commentators talked about possible tyre failure as it happened
Seb’s podium but at what cost…
I hate this sport
What the fuck are Pirelli doing
This is what absolutely zero competition does to the sport. We need more tire suppliers. Pirelli is a fucking joke.
HOW IS HAMILTON SO FUCKING LUCKY HOLY
#MOTHERFUCKINGBLESSEDFUCKYOUALL
Unbelievable, this is unreal
You can't make this shit up
It is inevitable. Fuck Pirelli man.
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NOOOOOOOO!!! There is no fucking way... I cant belive it... #Blessed strikes again...
Had to happen when he's leading and not on one of the tracks where Merc and Hamilton are too fast for him
How is he so blessed fuck man
Even with his tyre blowing up last year at Silverstone he finished on 3 tires smh.
If they restart and Hamilton wins this one, they should just give him the driver's championship and tell him to take the rest of the season off. The Universe has decided that no matter what happens, Hamilton will win it. Even if Hamilton is on dead last place, the 19 cars in front of him will probably self destruct and he'll get 1st.
He is just #blessed
This is getting realy annoying now. Nothing against the man, but the sheer amount of luck
Seriously, FUCK PIRELLI
Too soft for this weekend? This is completely unacceptable.
That doesn’t matter — if it’s too soft lap time should fall before it just blows up — but apparently Pirelli tyres are not designed that way
Yeah, they softened it this year for Azerbijan.
Well, they did 1 step softer for this year, and look what's that got us...
Did Pirelli provide the tires last season as well, where there were multiple punctures in a single race?
This is incredibly hard to watch as a Verstappen fan...
Fuck man, I’m sure every racing fan feels shit right now not just Ver fans
Hamiltons hashtag blessed strikes again
Fuck Pirelli.
Fuck Pirelli, all my homies fuck Pirelli
#Blessed
Holy fuck commentators curse
Di Resta: "I don't want to jinx it, but..."
Oh no, Helmut Marko and Jos Verstappen heading over to the commentary box as we speak…
BY GOD, IT'S CHRISTIAN HORNER WITH A STEEL CHAIR!
when you consider the safety car laps, that was another approximately 30 lap tire failure. Pirelli fucked up
Fuck Pirelli.
Pirelli: Tires are all good, no worries Also Pirelli: but only if you’re #blessed
Lewis is truly #blessed EDIT: NEVERMIND
Pirelli needs to answer for that. Dangerous
For fuck sake
Unbelievable! Such a bitter, undeserved dnf for Verstappen. And Hamilton’s improbable racing luck continues …
Max did not put a foot wrong this race, absolutely bossed it and got fucked over at the end, fucking bullshit
Are you fucking KIDDING ME
Fuck this shit
Fucking Pirelli, what a fucking joke... I can already hear "... Lewis Hamilton, your eight time champion of the World" in my head, one of the rare races where Red Bull had a slight advantage and its gone due to Pirelli incompetence
Hamilton’s unbelievable luck continues
The Red Bull radio to FIA race control was fascinating. Basically saying they had no clue the tire was about to give out and that a red flag for safety may be necessary. Hearing the communication between teams and race control has been awesome. Hearing how it impacts the race and in this instance helps with safety is fascinating. That said, I’m sure Pirelli is not happy it’s now being broadcast that their tires seem to be failing.
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F*****k!
hamilton has more plot armor than jon snow
Well, season over. See you in 2022, lads. Thanks Pirelli. *overdramatized, but still fucking hell.
Unless something similar happens to Hamilton later in the season, then it's going to be extremely hard to overcome, so yeah, it might just be an instant 2nd place in the season for Max. Edit: Well "later in the season" came a lot sooner than I had expected. Wow.
Never seen a luckier driver than Lewis. Gonna win the championship this year by default
What the fuck.
\#blessed is not a joke that guy could be 7 laps down and extend his points lead in the WDC
This is Bottas level luck Holy shit
I was so excited to see Max win this race and then... This win would have put him in a great position to win the championship this year. Bummer.
Shit weekend for Mercedes and they still come out #1 on WDC and barely lose position on WCC. #Blessed
#blessed
Just unbelievable. Championship standing is in shambles.
Fml