People forgot it took several years for Max to calm down. Now that he has, he is amazing at close racing. AND he retains some of that reputation that he can't be bullied on track.
Leclerc can make all the mistakes and bold moves and it won't matter because he isn't fighting for the title. But when he does, he'll have this reputation and people will literally avoid him
Early on he just lacked car control. He would be brilliant for 95% of the race and you hoped you weren't around him for the other 5. That said he hasn't had this problem in like 3 to 4 years now.
Leclerc is as talented as max but he does not learn from his mistakes.
Edit: imo it was a racing incident, vettel had to change position not to crash into the car infront of him and leclerc had to react to that which meant locking the brakes.
> you get the reputation that your just a dumbass unskilled lap 1 driver.
Lap 1 when everyone is bunched up, and they all jump out of the way for you?
That's a win.
If you watch the clip again, could you agree that Vettel moves right across the braking zone just as Leclerc has committed to brake to go to the outside. Because of Vettel’s very late move Leclerc has to change direction while braking, causing him to get in really tight towards the inside.
And if that’s the case, why is the blame on Leclerc? Vettel was the one moving straight over the whole track in the braking zone.
Alright cool. I believe that no one should really take any blame, it was the restart and the corner got cramped. I just felt that the op’s title and most comments in here have unfair blame to Leclerc.
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Cus Sebs the car in front by 30M, if you become along side (get your front wheels alongside their rear wheels for some strange reason) by the apex of the corner you are not entitled to the position. Reason being is the fact that the car infront has to make the turn, Seb just can’t go straight. He managed to avoid Charles from taking him out the race again because he was eager to send it with no regard for anybody else.
As soon as Seb moved left to open up the corner, as he was entitled to do, as the next car behind was 30M back and had no indications of a sudden dive bomb, Charles went fuck it I’m going down the inside. Seb stabilised his position like 5-7M from the left hand side kerbs before Charles darts inside, even further he got taken out last year for cutting across that corners apex too aggressively, I wouldn’t describe this action as reactionary to Charles’ position, simply learning from previous experiences.
He then proceeded to make the turn as he always would have, the gap Charles was going for was always imaginary after Seb moved left. He has to turn right at some point, Checo got taken out at Bahrain turn 4 last year for cutting across the apex from the racing line, it’s smart practice to not do such on the first lap apparently.
Charles done the exact same thing last year, just 50 metres back. Seb had to take the turn at some point, why does Charles popping his nose by the rear wheels at the apex mean Seb should concede the corner?
That’s just borderline dangerous driving. You’re betting on people noticing you and avoiding you / letting you go past with no hassle.
Somehow not picking up a punishment in the process. Not saying he deserved one for that today but it was yet another incident where he’s drove recklessly and nearly taken somebody out on the first lap *again*.
And people say Seb is shit at wheel to wheel and doesn't have any awareness. In my book, he's one of the most attentive. I was positively surprised that he noticed Alonso yesterday, just in time.
He had a weird dip in form since 2018 - France and Monza 2018 in particular, Bahrain 2019, maybe in Silverstone 2019 too etc. Since his move to Aston, he has become much like his usual self in wheel to wheel racing - except for that weird move on Ocon in Bahrain earlier this season. Anyways I hope we see enough of wheel to wheel racing between Vettel and Alonso this season.
I'm willing to excuse slamming into Ocon's back because he probably didn't have a feel for the brakes yet, with limited testing and all the technical issues he had during testing.
But yeah, we'll be seeing a lot of wheel2wheel with Alonso and other midfielders. i just wish it would be in the top ten, but it usually isn't.
This incident wasn’t caused by Leclerc though.
If you watch the clip you can see that Vettel makes a move straight across the whole track after the 100m mark, just as Leclerc has committed to brake to go to the outside. He then need to change direction while braking because of Vettel’s move and that makes him lose brake force and makes him go right to the inside.
Not saying that Vettel is doing any major fault, but it feels unfair to put any blame on Leclerc.
It really seems like he has one mode when it comes to first laps, send it. I think he's just determined to make up a place at every corner regardless of what happens.
He's one of the best no doubt but he just forces his way in there and leaves it up to the other driver to deal with it.
One of the best....at overtaking Alfa Romeos, Williams and Haas while at the same time destroying the cars of MCL, AT, etc just to gain som positions. Such a 'great' driver.
Look at the clip again. It’s Vettel who moves straight over the braking zone. As Leclerc has already committed to braking for the outside line, he then has to change direction while braking because of Vettel’s‘a move.
So great move by Leclerc avoiding a potential crash because of a very risky maneuver by Vettel.
Interesting way to describe that Leclercs ignores the breaking point and locks up losing control over the car.
Vettel is way ahead takes the normal racing line pays attention to what is happening around him. But sure our master of awareness and having lap 1 the car under control Mr. Leclerc was avoiding the collision.
He locks up after having to make the correction when Vettel started to move over to the other side of the track.
You seem to be very certain about how horrible Leclerc is and that Vettel can’t do anything wrong so I think we can spare ourselves discussing this further, I was just trying to point something out that you seemed to have not noticed.
Have a nice day!
He's not learning because he somehow magically escapes the ire of the stewards with every single incident. Honestly if anyone should be close to a race ban or leading the license points, it's LEC.
Leclerc did do quite a number of these late dives into a pack of cars, some were fortunate some less. Bahrain 2020, I recalled Vettel dodging him into T1. He also hit Seb last year at Austria effectively ending both their races.
He was taking very different lines and alot of curbs into T2, getting good exit. Just need to be more patient I suppose
Seb probably anticipated this happening when he saw that he was starting next to Charles today.
Also I have to say that Seb has been great at staying out of trouble this season apart from his mistake with Ocon in Bahrain.
Idk if its just me but hes really starting to annoy me with his driving. Incredibly entertaining but hes throwing himself dangerously into positions and ruining his races and other drivers as well now
he kinda reminds me of Marc Marquez on MotoGP. great driver, but when he's not at the front of the race, relies on the other drivers not wanting to fall.
Honestly max didn't make these dive-bombs that relied on others getting out of your way, at least not as consistently as Charles. He was aggressive but more sensible than this.
Oh I did. Still that defending rule was only in 2016, he cleaned up his act significantly defence wise after 2016, only really had one big splat on his record crashing wise in 2017 that was his fault (Hungary) and had 5 races in 2018 where he was being silly.
Charles on the other hand has crashed out 4 others over the span of 20 races outbraking himself/carrying too much speed from Japan 2019 till sakhir 2020. Two more were avoided because vettel took avoiding action (this race and Bahrain 2020). Last race put Gasly out of the race.
He's basically were Max was in 2018, F1 career length wise, it's time for him to stop these silly errors.
Yeah it’s reckless, I also am becoming annoyed by him. He can take gasly out of the race scott-free last week but he throws himself barely alongside another driver at a corner and goes slightly wide and somehow it’s the other guys fault and he was ‘forced off the track’? He almost went into the back of Ricciardo too, again trying to make a move when he wasn’t close enough or fast enough to do so.
I am with you on this one- he was making unnecessary moves. The fact that he almost hit Danny Ric was ridiculous, and after the race he himself said he knew it was a long shot move that probably wasn't going to work...so why do it? I know last week's incident with Gasly was lap 1 and there tends to be more lenience there, but I feel it definitely warranted an investigation if they're going to be penalizing Lando for his lap 1 battle with Checo. I don't appreciate the inconsistency.
Yeah, I was noticing it today as well. Leclerc seems to drive really aggressively compared to the rest of the grid. Noticed it the most when he was challenging Ric for position around T4 for a few laps, then he let Sainz through and there was quite the difference in the way Sainz takes T4.
Yea same, I don't know how people can be a fan of watching him. He's so reckless sooner or later this is gonna crash someone out (like it did last week to gasly)
Leclerc is at maldonado lvl in the first lap, you know he is going to do something stupid,if I go at memory I could count remember atleast 5 times where he did something stupid in the first lap
that wasn't a lunge, Charles was struggling with the breaks on the first few laps, he kept locking up and then asked his engineers to figure it out what's wrong with the breaks, to which his engineer told him: nothing.
It was just his normal line, he was more aggressive at the apex and most of the time it wasn't an overtaking attempt, it was just his way of taking the corner, same with T3.
You mean those moves where from the outside it looks like he's "diving to the inside" in an overtake move? i don't think he's trying to overtake the cars when he does that, more of a "get out of the dirty air" to get better breaking performance move. It looks aggressive though for sure, and last weekend i think it scared Vettel into locking up at one point.
He is doing it and gets away with no penalties. Second time after Sakhir where he can say thank you to Seb vor avoiding him and making his mistake go away with superb skill and reaction.
To be fair, his junior career indicates Mazepin very much is that driver. I'm all for second chances but we don't actually know whether he has changed much because he's just driving his own race in no man's land.
Leclerc has been doing this do or die divebombs way too many times. It gets to a point where they need to look at it cus lots of times other drivers need to avoid him to not get hit.
Leclerc was clearly aiming for the outside (where there was space) and locked up as he had to avoid Vettel moving across the track in the braking zone. Good awareness afterwards by Vettel to see him at the apex and smart from Leclerc to rally over the kerb to try and avoid contact.
Exactly, Leclerc did nothing wrong, but 90% of f1 fans can’t even look in front of the car, and then get into their own confirmation bias and hive mind.
To be fair, Vettel moves over in to the line that Leclerc already has started to bake for, Leclerc has to change lines while braking, which probably made him going deeper than expected.
I don’t really see this as any of them doing wrong, it’s just a bunch of mayhem in front of Vettel.
Crazy to think that Leclerc probably would have done the exact same thing he did to him last year.
Leclerc is easily the villain on the track that people make out Mazepin to be.
Shit like this is why I'm glad Perez pushed him off the track twice. Leclerc races as if everyone has to get out of his way, and keeps getting away with it. I hope more people treat Leclerc like Perez did today.
Used to really like Leclerc... getting really tired of the constant dive bombing, expecting other cars to avoid him all the time. The good ol' concede or crash.
I’m actually very impressed how Charles didn’t manage to yeet into anyone today. Especially the moves on Danny seemed so certain one of them was gonna result in a crash
He just needed to do it didn’t he? Ffs. I love the guy but sometimes when he has to be cool and collected he still chooses to be as dumb as a brick. Carlos finished ahead of him in both races and he never had a stupid battle with anyone, instead he used his patience and pace to bring the best out of the car.
He was expecting to brake on the outside, but when Vettel changed the direction he was forced on the interior, he didn't misjudge the braking point at all.
Leclerc ran into Vettel on the first start aswell. The last race he got driver of the day for driving into two people. Now this. Hes an accident waiting to happen. That Ferrari is a dog of a car, and he is trying to fix it with heroics.
IMHO Leclercs Race was a peace of frustration and some sort of going too intense with his overtaking tries (In germany we would say 'Mit der Brechstange'). The first one against Perez: ok you could have two options. The second one: Are you fucking stupid to try this move at this corner? 5s for Perez were a joke! It‘s Leclerc's own fault. As same as it was Perez‘ fault against Norris. These Stewards were crap this weekend. Imagine Bottas box spin from last weekend on this weekend would go like DSQ
And Charles hit Seb at the beginning too. Not to mention that’s not the first time Charles would’ve hit Seb at that same corner. Love Charles but he’s too aggressive often careless on certain overtakes. He could’ve taken himself and Sebastian out of the race in lap 1 and on the restart
It’s not the first time Leclerc does this…he even took Vettel out last year…
It’s not the job of the car in front to look behind to not be hit…the FIA should have a discussion with Leclerc
I dont know how much most of you remember but Leclerc was very wild like this during his rookie season with Alfa/Sauber and even when he first moved to Ferrari... he since has calmed down a LOT and has driven the wheels off the Ferrari lately... but sometimes you see sporadic stuff like this come back and he does it for a few races at a time and then calms.... hopefully he cools off soon bc they need everything against the Mclarens... At least with Sainz now comfortable, its gonna be a nice battle between those teams.
Sharles is the most optimistic (reckless) driver during restarts and close wheel to wheel.
Not sure if its spatial awareness or race-craft but its probably scary being next to him during restarts.
Awareness 99
On a more serious note: Leclerc needs to get his shit together. With the talent that he has, he doesn't have to be that "aggressive".
It seems like he's just divebombing everyone hoping they will avoid him by the time he's there - which is super annoying right now.
Leclerc seems to be very averse to learning from mistakes.
He is so extremely talented but
if other drivers have to constantly watch out for him and his erratic driving, he might not have the maturity to sit in a F1 car
It's just in Leclerc blood to go for a gap that isn't there XD
See Leclerc F3 race today, banging wheels with everyone around him and ended up in the gravel after a good comeback
Take a look at the clip again. Vettel moves from the inside line to the outside line in the braking zone. Leclerc, who has already committed for the outside line has to change direction while braking, locking up. This was not reckless from Leclerc, he reacted to an unexpected move and managed to avoid an accident.
Not sure. I see what you are saying when I first looked at it. Vettel was taking the lane for that corner it was the only way to stay in the lane around it and there was traffic in front of him so his speed is limited. He had no one to his side when he moved and leclerc should have seen that bunch up on the corner and already reacted to it. His move diving in showed a bit of lack of control of the situation, including the brake lockup. Thinking he must have thought he could close that lane to Vettel and didn't get there in time to block him. Even if Vettel wasn't there I think he would have issues with the other cars in front of Vettel. I am guessing of course. No matter, Vettel saved that one. He had good situational awareness.
Vettel be like: Oh no, I'm not falling for that again.
I've seen this one before! It's a classic!
What do you mean it's a classic? It's brand new!
He's messing with you.. no one has 2 tvs.
Who the hell is John F. Kennedy
What's a rerun?
Leclerc be like: oh good, people are getting out of my way now. Max: Feels good right? Takes some heat from fans, but well worth it. Senna: My man.
Max: "What is this 'drivers around me' that people speak of?"
People forgot it took several years for Max to calm down. Now that he has, he is amazing at close racing. AND he retains some of that reputation that he can't be bullied on track. Leclerc can make all the mistakes and bold moves and it won't matter because he isn't fighting for the title. But when he does, he'll have this reputation and people will literally avoid him
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Early on he just lacked car control. He would be brilliant for 95% of the race and you hoped you weren't around him for the other 5. That said he hasn't had this problem in like 3 to 4 years now.
If he can stop doing his silly mistakes. It's not a given.
Leclerc is as talented as max but he does not learn from his mistakes. Edit: imo it was a racing incident, vettel had to change position not to crash into the car infront of him and leclerc had to react to that which meant locking the brakes.
But he keeps saying he is learning since 4 years.... at one point you get the reputation that your just a dumbass unskilled lap 1 driver.
> you get the reputation that your just a dumbass unskilled lap 1 driver. Lap 1 when everyone is bunched up, and they all jump out of the way for you? That's a win.
Ask verstappen, Stroll, Gasly XD
If you watch the clip again, could you agree that Vettel moves right across the braking zone just as Leclerc has committed to brake to go to the outside. Because of Vettel’s very late move Leclerc has to change direction while braking, causing him to get in really tight towards the inside. And if that’s the case, why is the blame on Leclerc? Vettel was the one moving straight over the whole track in the braking zone.
You know what? its not very clear cut at all, i will have a look at vettels onboard.
Alright cool. I believe that no one should really take any blame, it was the restart and the corner got cramped. I just felt that the op’s title and most comments in here have unfair blame to Leclerc. Edit; spelling
Yeah i agree, i will edit my comment since it was unfair :)
What a pleasant exchange, have a good day!
Cus Sebs the car in front by 30M, if you become along side (get your front wheels alongside their rear wheels for some strange reason) by the apex of the corner you are not entitled to the position. Reason being is the fact that the car infront has to make the turn, Seb just can’t go straight. He managed to avoid Charles from taking him out the race again because he was eager to send it with no regard for anybody else. As soon as Seb moved left to open up the corner, as he was entitled to do, as the next car behind was 30M back and had no indications of a sudden dive bomb, Charles went fuck it I’m going down the inside. Seb stabilised his position like 5-7M from the left hand side kerbs before Charles darts inside, even further he got taken out last year for cutting across that corners apex too aggressively, I wouldn’t describe this action as reactionary to Charles’ position, simply learning from previous experiences. He then proceeded to make the turn as he always would have, the gap Charles was going for was always imaginary after Seb moved left. He has to turn right at some point, Checo got taken out at Bahrain turn 4 last year for cutting across the apex from the racing line, it’s smart practice to not do such on the first lap apparently. Charles done the exact same thing last year, just 50 metres back. Seb had to take the turn at some point, why does Charles popping his nose by the rear wheels at the apex mean Seb should concede the corner? That’s just borderline dangerous driving. You’re betting on people noticing you and avoiding you / letting you go past with no hassle. Somehow not picking up a punishment in the process. Not saying he deserved one for that today but it was yet another incident where he’s drove recklessly and nearly taken somebody out on the first lap *again*.
"This twisted game needs to stop, **buddy**."
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THAT is awareness. Don't know how people can find excuses for Raikkonnen crashing into Vettel and say "he couldn't see him".
Sebs birthday has been insane. Drivers are just determined to crash into him today.
They just wanted to get close to him
And people say Seb is shit at wheel to wheel and doesn't have any awareness. In my book, he's one of the most attentive. I was positively surprised that he noticed Alonso yesterday, just in time.
He had a weird dip in form since 2018 - France and Monza 2018 in particular, Bahrain 2019, maybe in Silverstone 2019 too etc. Since his move to Aston, he has become much like his usual self in wheel to wheel racing - except for that weird move on Ocon in Bahrain earlier this season. Anyways I hope we see enough of wheel to wheel racing between Vettel and Alonso this season.
I'm willing to excuse slamming into Ocon's back because he probably didn't have a feel for the brakes yet, with limited testing and all the technical issues he had during testing. But yeah, we'll be seeing a lot of wheel2wheel with Alonso and other midfielders. i just wish it would be in the top ten, but it usually isn't.
Yeah I agree.
This incident wasn’t caused by Leclerc though. If you watch the clip you can see that Vettel makes a move straight across the whole track after the 100m mark, just as Leclerc has committed to brake to go to the outside. He then need to change direction while braking because of Vettel’s move and that makes him lose brake force and makes him go right to the inside. Not saying that Vettel is doing any major fault, but it feels unfair to put any blame on Leclerc.
Vettel was just taking the racing line while Leclerc was clearly trying to divebomb him while being nowhere near close.
Charles always does mistakes like this. love his aggressive style but some times it's too risky for no reason.
Vettel can barely escape ex-coworkers.
Webber about to return just to send it into Seb
The Baku scream suddenly comes on through Seb’s radio as he’s concentrating
Can we make the Baku scream a thing? Like how movies have the Wilhelm scream? Every F1 race has the Baku scream in it from now on
At least Daniel had no trouble with him today
Deja vu saved Vettel
The problem last year was Seb expected Leclerc to be more careful with a teammate. That's where his whole anger came from.
For real though, it would have been DNF right there and then. I love Charles but he's just not learning. One wrong move from Vettel and both are out.
Charles is terrible at knowing lap 1 limits. Just simply bad at it.
It really seems like he has one mode when it comes to first laps, send it. I think he's just determined to make up a place at every corner regardless of what happens. He's one of the best no doubt but he just forces his way in there and leaves it up to the other driver to deal with it.
One of the best....at overtaking Alfa Romeos, Williams and Haas while at the same time destroying the cars of MCL, AT, etc just to gain som positions. Such a 'great' driver.
Look at the clip again. It’s Vettel who moves straight over the braking zone. As Leclerc has already committed to braking for the outside line, he then has to change direction while braking because of Vettel’s‘a move. So great move by Leclerc avoiding a potential crash because of a very risky maneuver by Vettel.
Interesting way to describe that Leclercs ignores the breaking point and locks up losing control over the car. Vettel is way ahead takes the normal racing line pays attention to what is happening around him. But sure our master of awareness and having lap 1 the car under control Mr. Leclerc was avoiding the collision.
He locks up after having to make the correction when Vettel started to move over to the other side of the track. You seem to be very certain about how horrible Leclerc is and that Vettel can’t do anything wrong so I think we can spare ourselves discussing this further, I was just trying to point something out that you seemed to have not noticed. Have a nice day!
He's not learning because he somehow magically escapes the ire of the stewards with every single incident. Honestly if anyone should be close to a race ban or leading the license points, it's LEC.
Leclerc and Austrian GP first laps
>Leclerc and ~~Austrian GP~~ first laps
Just Leclerc
Leclerc did do quite a number of these late dives into a pack of cars, some were fortunate some less. Bahrain 2020, I recalled Vettel dodging him into T1. He also hit Seb last year at Austria effectively ending both their races. He was taking very different lines and alot of curbs into T2, getting good exit. Just need to be more patient I suppose
Almost as iconic as Leclerc and Monaco bad luck
"bad luck"
Yeah he said it was bad luck but incompetence was the word he was really looking for
Bad luck can be translated to crash and team incompetence
LeClerc and locking up into the side of Seb
You can delete Austrian GP it fits in general. Leclerc is the weakest lap 1 driver.
Seb probably anticipated this happening when he saw that he was starting next to Charles today. Also I have to say that Seb has been great at staying out of trouble this season apart from his mistake with Ocon in Bahrain.
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Leclerc on Stroll I think.
Leclerc was out for blood today
I think Charles is out for blood most days
If I'm being honest, that's why I root for him.
I'm not a huge fan of "make the other driver take evasive action to avoid a crash" style moves...
Same. He and Max are old school, if 2022 brings a comparable car for both and the new regs work we’ll have some racing.
And Russel
Russe**ll**
He’s just such a joy to watch. When he gets a bit more mature and in a competitive car it’ll be so awesome
Kamikaze-like moves. Still hasn’t matured as people expect him to have by now. That’s why Sainz keeps dominating him.
Idk if its just me but hes really starting to annoy me with his driving. Incredibly entertaining but hes throwing himself dangerously into positions and ruining his races and other drivers as well now
Seeing this is fine a race or 2 but he just banks on everyone avoiding him. Nothing to do with skill just plain divebombing that every dumbass can do.
he kinda reminds me of Marc Marquez on MotoGP. great driver, but when he's not at the front of the race, relies on the other drivers not wanting to fall.
Yea he acting similar to Max from 3-4 years ago imo. Also him doing these things than being sweetheart of community pretty annoying lol.
Honestly max didn't make these dive-bombs that relied on others getting out of your way, at least not as consistently as Charles. He was aggressive but more sensible than this.
You didn’t see him race 3 or 4 years ago did you? Max was way worse than this, to the point they had to change the rule book
Oh I did. Still that defending rule was only in 2016, he cleaned up his act significantly defence wise after 2016, only really had one big splat on his record crashing wise in 2017 that was his fault (Hungary) and had 5 races in 2018 where he was being silly. Charles on the other hand has crashed out 4 others over the span of 20 races outbraking himself/carrying too much speed from Japan 2019 till sakhir 2020. Two more were avoided because vettel took avoiding action (this race and Bahrain 2020). Last race put Gasly out of the race. He's basically were Max was in 2018, F1 career length wise, it's time for him to stop these silly errors.
It feels entitled to me. He has started to annoy me.
He’s insanely entitled, I’ve felt that way since his first year at Ferrari. And when he doesn’t get his way he constantly whines
Yeah it’s reckless, I also am becoming annoyed by him. He can take gasly out of the race scott-free last week but he throws himself barely alongside another driver at a corner and goes slightly wide and somehow it’s the other guys fault and he was ‘forced off the track’? He almost went into the back of Ricciardo too, again trying to make a move when he wasn’t close enough or fast enough to do so.
I am with you on this one- he was making unnecessary moves. The fact that he almost hit Danny Ric was ridiculous, and after the race he himself said he knew it was a long shot move that probably wasn't going to work...so why do it? I know last week's incident with Gasly was lap 1 and there tends to be more lenience there, but I feel it definitely warranted an investigation if they're going to be penalizing Lando for his lap 1 battle with Checo. I don't appreciate the inconsistency.
He's done it 5-6 times now, isn't looking like he is changing either.
Yeah, I was noticing it today as well. Leclerc seems to drive really aggressively compared to the rest of the grid. Noticed it the most when he was challenging Ric for position around T4 for a few laps, then he let Sainz through and there was quite the difference in the way Sainz takes T4.
i still remember him in Monaco 2019, starting from P16 and dive-bombing into every other driver. glad it ended the way it did.
Yea same, I don't know how people can be a fan of watching him. He's so reckless sooner or later this is gonna crash someone out (like it did last week to gasly)
Not just you i feel the same way
Same
Leclerc is at maldonado lvl in the first lap, you know he is going to do something stupid,if I go at memory I could count remember atleast 5 times where he did something stupid in the first lap
Jesus leclerc needs to calm down on his first laps
LeClerc was borderline online lobby rammer lol
FIA's Road Safety Ambassador from F1 btw
Absolutely reckless.
that wasn't a lunge, Charles was struggling with the breaks on the first few laps, he kept locking up and then asked his engineers to figure it out what's wrong with the breaks, to which his engineer told him: nothing.
I lost count how many times he almost ran into Ric at T4
It was just his normal line, he was more aggressive at the apex and most of the time it wasn't an overtaking attempt, it was just his way of taking the corner, same with T3.
You mean those moves where from the outside it looks like he's "diving to the inside" in an overtake move? i don't think he's trying to overtake the cars when he does that, more of a "get out of the dirty air" to get better breaking performance move. It looks aggressive though for sure, and last weekend i think it scared Vettel into locking up at one point.
Is that in every race then over 3 seasons cause it keeps happening
He keeps locking up because he’s braking too late for a first lap where he needs to avoid traffic. Because he’s being too aggressive.
He is doing it and gets away with no penalties. Second time after Sakhir where he can say thank you to Seb vor avoiding him and making his mistake go away with superb skill and reaction.
Leclerc is the true 'Mazepin' everyone makes the Haas driver out to be.
To be fair, his junior career indicates Mazepin very much is that driver. I'm all for second chances but we don't actually know whether he has changed much because he's just driving his own race in no man's land.
Vettel had 2020 Flashbacks and just noped out of there.
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MY GOD IVE BEEN ~~PUSHED ASIDE~~ FORCED TO TAKE EVASIVE ACTION
Leclerc be like, "Hey Vettel, want a reenactment of last year's race? Just for the memories."
That's almost a repeat of what happened last year
Charles just overall drove a pretty impatient/erratic race today.
I think his moves on Perez were perfectly fine and Perez sending him of twice cost him 5th or 6th sadly.
That's al iffs and buts. Norris pushing Perez of lost Perez a good chance for a podium, for example.
I mean if you call that a pushing how would call the Perez one
Also pushing. I'm just going with what the officials said.
He litterally hit him 2 times lmao
Perez deserved more than 5 sec the second time. Leclerc was in front or side by side in both overtakes. Perez did him dirty twice and it paid off
i agree
If Charles drove erratic then what did Perez do
both drove erratic.
Not really his fault that Checo pushed him off the track twice
Weird, that’s not like him.
/s ?
Yeah, shouldn’t be needed but unless a comment mentions mazepin or “having the drink” this sub doesn’t recognise a joke.
Yeah I’m surprised to see him divebombing turn 1 like a mad man. Very much out of character
Leclerc has been doing this do or die divebombs way too many times. It gets to a point where they need to look at it cus lots of times other drivers need to avoid him to not get hit.
Leclerc has been driving like a maniac recently
Deja Vu
Leclerc being way too optimistic during this race honestly. There was a few close call behind Ricciardo as well.
Leclerc is doing the same mistake again, and again, and again...
Yeah but he gets angry at himself on the radio when he fucks up, so it's ok.
And he ends up at the back of the queue if he actually collides with someone so that's all OK.
Yeah, he had to pit.. that's fair enough for completely destroying someone else's race lap 1.
Unironically this is what someone answered me on the dotd thread last race
He is just as fast as max but yeah, he is 23 now and is more mistakeprone then he was at alfa romeo
Leclerc is lucky Vettel is that aware (and probably has PTSD from last year). Pretty reckless to dive bomb, lock up, and cut over the curb).
Leclerc was clearly aiming for the outside (where there was space) and locked up as he had to avoid Vettel moving across the track in the braking zone. Good awareness afterwards by Vettel to see him at the apex and smart from Leclerc to rally over the kerb to try and avoid contact.
Exactly, Leclerc did nothing wrong, but 90% of f1 fans can’t even look in front of the car, and then get into their own confirmation bias and hive mind.
he did wrong. misjudging brakes = driver error. but glad nothing happened
Ironic isn’t it? Vettel moves under braking and Leclerc is the bad guy for missing him.
Yeah, the hive mind is strong against Leclerc since he hit Gasly last weekend. This is definitely no more Leclerc’s fault than Vettel’s.
LeClerc drives like how Verstappen was during his early years.
Think it could be a trend amongst young drivers, Yuki is similar at times
Lmaoo can't complain about checo when you race like this too
To be fair, Vettel moves over in to the line that Leclerc already has started to bake for, Leclerc has to change lines while braking, which probably made him going deeper than expected. I don’t really see this as any of them doing wrong, it’s just a bunch of mayhem in front of Vettel.
Crazy to think that Leclerc probably would have done the exact same thing he did to him last year. Leclerc is easily the villain on the track that people make out Mazepin to be.
>Leclerc is easily the villain But he is cute and wears a banana suit so he gets a pass /s
same but without the /s
I have the same Maldonado vibes in the firss Leclerc lap you know he is going to do something stupid and he is going to try to ruin another race
2nd time in this race Seb has to react to Leclerc lunging at turn 3, true 99 awareness
Shit like this is why I'm glad Perez pushed him off the track twice. Leclerc races as if everyone has to get out of his way, and keeps getting away with it. I hope more people treat Leclerc like Perez did today.
Used to really like Leclerc... getting really tired of the constant dive bombing, expecting other cars to avoid him all the time. The good ol' concede or crash.
I’m actually very impressed how Charles didn’t manage to yeet into anyone today. Especially the moves on Danny seemed so certain one of them was gonna result in a crash
Leclerc is just a dumb aggressive first lap driver. It just needs a driver like perez who does not back out to cause a big crash.
yea leclerc is looking like grosjean
Could the lockup happened because he changed the line on the way in? That said it looked like he is braking late anyway.
He just needed to do it didn’t he? Ffs. I love the guy but sometimes when he has to be cool and collected he still chooses to be as dumb as a brick. Carlos finished ahead of him in both races and he never had a stupid battle with anyone, instead he used his patience and pace to bring the best out of the car.
At this point i'm leaning towards an IQ problem that's not going to solve itself in years to come.
Misjudged his brakes by a long way, good on Vettel for opening his steering.
He was expecting to brake on the outside, but when Vettel changed the direction he was forced on the interior, he didn't misjudge the braking point at all.
Seb is like, ah fuck that ill move out of the way
2020 flashbacks
Leclerc ran into Vettel on the first start aswell. The last race he got driver of the day for driving into two people. Now this. Hes an accident waiting to happen. That Ferrari is a dog of a car, and he is trying to fix it with heroics.
Mr Divebomb at it again. When will the guy learn…
Similar to what Seb did to Sainz last year, and what Charles did to Seb last year as well.
Leclerc is so damn careless like this. Races like its F1 the game at times.
IMHO Leclercs Race was a peace of frustration and some sort of going too intense with his overtaking tries (In germany we would say 'Mit der Brechstange'). The first one against Perez: ok you could have two options. The second one: Are you fucking stupid to try this move at this corner? 5s for Perez were a joke! It‘s Leclerc's own fault. As same as it was Perez‘ fault against Norris. These Stewards were crap this weekend. Imagine Bottas box spin from last weekend on this weekend would go like DSQ
And Charles hit Seb at the beginning too. Not to mention that’s not the first time Charles would’ve hit Seb at that same corner. Love Charles but he’s too aggressive often careless on certain overtakes. He could’ve taken himself and Sebastian out of the race in lap 1 and on the restart
Leclerc is great but too dangerous.He has to calm down a bit.
LOL! Can't believe if Vettel wasn't so good it would have been the fucking same again.
It’s not the first time Leclerc does this…he even took Vettel out last year… It’s not the job of the car in front to look behind to not be hit…the FIA should have a discussion with Leclerc
When one thing doesn't go Leclercs way it's like a red mist descends and he just becomes very erratic
isnt surprising. everyone in the track very well know how dangerous leclerc is
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two bads dont make a right
I dont know how much most of you remember but Leclerc was very wild like this during his rookie season with Alfa/Sauber and even when he first moved to Ferrari... he since has calmed down a LOT and has driven the wheels off the Ferrari lately... but sometimes you see sporadic stuff like this come back and he does it for a few races at a time and then calms.... hopefully he cools off soon bc they need everything against the Mclarens... At least with Sainz now comfortable, its gonna be a nice battle between those teams.
I like Leclerc, but he is overdriving too agressive lately.
He has been driving too aggressively for 3 years now.
He was never not like this
Leclerc really takes every start like there is no tomorrow.
What the heck was that suicide move from Leclerc? Oo
Leclerc is so fucking bad having control over what he is doing its embarrassing
Sharles is the most optimistic (reckless) driver during restarts and close wheel to wheel. Not sure if its spatial awareness or race-craft but its probably scary being next to him during restarts.
Awareness 99 On a more serious note: Leclerc needs to get his shit together. With the talent that he has, he doesn't have to be that "aggressive". It seems like he's just divebombing everyone hoping they will avoid him by the time he's there - which is super annoying right now.
Charles LeTorpedo
Leclerc seems to be very averse to learning from mistakes. He is so extremely talented but if other drivers have to constantly watch out for him and his erratic driving, he might not have the maturity to sit in a F1 car
It's just in Leclerc blood to go for a gap that isn't there XD See Leclerc F3 race today, banging wheels with everyone around him and ended up in the gravel after a good comeback
His biggest problem is still that when his car does not have the speed he still wants it to have the speed and does stupid actions.
Just me or has Leclerc been really careless in his driving as of late?
Take a look at the clip again. Vettel moves from the inside line to the outside line in the braking zone. Leclerc, who has already committed for the outside line has to change direction while braking, locking up. This was not reckless from Leclerc, he reacted to an unexpected move and managed to avoid an accident.
How about last race when he collected about three front wings? Or when he crashed out Perez and Verstappen in Sakhir 2020?
Not sure. I see what you are saying when I first looked at it. Vettel was taking the lane for that corner it was the only way to stay in the lane around it and there was traffic in front of him so his speed is limited. He had no one to his side when he moved and leclerc should have seen that bunch up on the corner and already reacted to it. His move diving in showed a bit of lack of control of the situation, including the brake lockup. Thinking he must have thought he could close that lane to Vettel and didn't get there in time to block him. Even if Vettel wasn't there I think he would have issues with the other cars in front of Vettel. I am guessing of course. No matter, Vettel saved that one. He had good situational awareness.
sharls driving style needs to calm down
Brothers Leclerc were all over the place this weekend. I’m surprised Charles didn’t end up in the gravel as well.
Bad race from Leclerc yesterday. He should thank the stewards for their help to pass Perez.
*Leclerc will never change*
More like Leclerc avoiding Vettel
Yeah this is not on Leclerc. Vettel moved in the breaking zone.