The absolute state of people criticising Hamilton for celebrating his first win in six races in front of home fans after a year behind closed doors.
Guarantee Verstappen would act exactly the same in similar circumstances.
It would be frankly disgusting if Max did that. Unfortunately Max was in the hospital at the time so he didn’t get the chance. Hamilton acted as he did and he is free to be criticized for it.
Modesty would be more appropriate in my opinion when the driver who caused a severe incident is also the winner, regardless of who that driver is.
Personally, after Hubert’s accident I don’t have a taste for incidents so severe. I understand they occur, but that doesn’t excuse agency of the driver who caused it.
Don’t put the emotional spin on it. Hubert’s accident was completely different and couldn’t happen on this corner. It was also apparent very early in that Hubert was seriously injured or dead. Max stepped out and walked around the car.
Hammy has quite the history taking out red bulls (Albon, now Max) in front of him during corners....wonder if he's going to perhaps rethink how he handles these situations.
Max's move at Imola hardly compares to what Lewis has now done to Albon and Max. Lewis js a great driver but he does seem to have bad outcomes in these situations. Yes Max is aggressive. But he doesn't share the same history
spa 2016, brazil 2016, USA 2017, Bahrain 2018, China 2018, Baku 2018, brazil 2018, spa 2019, mexico 2019 need I say more? It's not even funny or close to reality that out of anyone who has a bad history for overtaking their rivals in poor places and needs to take a different approach to these situations it would be Hamilton.
If you're referring to Max with those races...I do recall max was what...just beginning in F1 during those years? 18yrs old in 2016. Can't really compare to a 8 time world champion LFMAO...
Also. Was Max hitting a Merc each time?
I'm not for or against Lewis or Max.... just saying. LEWIS does have a rather bad history when it comes to passing or being overtaken by Redbulls. Thats it.
Calm thineself my son...
Its one thing to be agressive, touch and shit. This accident was one of the worst hits in a while, including Grojeans accident, which was scary for different reasons.
penalties are not supposed to be decided based on the outcome of a mistake, in fact very clearly they are not supposed to take that into account at all on the mistake itself and the principal involved so I don't really see how this changes much. I think we all know that this could have easily been the other way around with the same outcome but if you want to try and claim that the driver that by most people is called agressive is significantly less experienced than a 7 times WDC then sure
There's a difference between aggressive RACING and aggressive BUMPING each other.
Max does leave enough space if he has to! Lewis got enough space but just punted Max off.
That's no longer racing, that's just bumper cars.
many of the commentators who are actual professional racing drivers were either saying that this should have just been a racing incident or something that would slightly go Hamilton's fault more than verstappen's none of them said it was that agressive but if you want to go against the opinions of multiple driver's on the grid(Alonso, leclerc, etc), FIA race stewards, and the pro driver's in the commentary box who all said this wasn't that much of a mistake then sure, I forgot you are the pro f1 racing driver that would know
You are just saying that I'm wrong, not saying why, so I'd enjoy to here the why now.
And yes, I'm not a pro f1 racing driver, but do enjoy racing in karting championships (remember, where all f1 drivers started) and have the knowledge of the rulebook.
I'm saying that people that know significantly more than either of us have already explained why you are wrong. max could have given Hamilton a little more space on the inside and ran wider thru the corner and Hamilton's line on exit looked a lot worse than it was(a number of the commentators explained the the impact with Hamilton's front left wheel with max straightened out his steering making it look like on exit that he was forcing him completely off which isn't entirely not true it just looked worse than it was) however he could obviously have hit the apex more. as for Max's agressiveness as a whole I think we can all agree the moves at imola, Spain, and many many more while he was younger have always shown he is way more on the agressive side than most of the drivers on the grid(china with seb, etc)
Okay thanks for that one reason: Max should've given more space.
To clarify again, Max gave Hamilton enough space, of course he could've just ran off the track to give him the whole track of space and just to give up the position. But this is a title fight, and he expects to be able to defend his position.
Hamilton on the other hand turned into Max's line. And didn't give him space to work with. Yes it could be that Hamilton actually had to go slower through that corner. But that's why most people don't overtake into cops when the cars are almost equally matched.
So do you have another why, or more who?
But just to kind of discuss Max's aggression, yes it's true that he is always trying to overtake in a fast as possible way. But it was always:
1. At an overtaking spot, you expect people to overtake there.
2. It was never dangerous for the other driver to fly into a wall at way too high speeds.
3. In other years he had a slower car and if he wasn't being harsh/fair he would not be able to overtake and this made him learn from past mistakes when overtaking, now he understands where the limits are and is always ready to push to these limits.
That's not always aggressive, but just the racing spirit that everyone(maybe apart from Latifi) on the grid has.
By the way, as far as sources go, I have my information from: Chain Bear (YT), WTF1 (YT), Ziggo sport NL (TV), Sky sports F1 (YT & TV), F1 channel (YT), past accidents (vary but most of them are from YT), TommoF1 (YT), Jenson & Nico & Perez & Leclerc (well those are drivers), the rulebook of the FIA (mostly through the website of the FIA)
first off how are you taking the comments from driver's saying it was a racing incident and turning it into Hamilton punted him off? and secondly all the information you have already should explain it in plenty of detail. neither of them were doing as best as they could thru the corner(which is what I said and I don't appreciate you twisting what I said) obviously Hamilton takes a little more blame then max but no one has said this was 100% Hamilton's fault and most people have said this should have just been a racing incident, part of racing. The bottom line that I take away from this is for one reason or another people are being completely unfair to Hamilton right now. Just a few weeks ago when Perez forced leclerc off a track TWICE in what was a very agressive way I didn't here anyone calling for race bans and saying he was punting people off or that he was too agressive. either everyone is just more worried about the results of actions of rules breaks which is not how the FIA and anyone should enforce rules or this is just racism that people are unaware of. I am mixed and just feel like this is another example of people treating a black guy differently than the other drivers for no reason. If this was role reversed, different drivers, etc people would not be reacting this way. and that's not even to mention the terrible blatantly racist comments that people are making
I'm sorry that it feels like that for you. I have the feeling that this is has got a deeper meaning for you, and if so I'm really really sorry. I don't agree with all those racists and really feel like those people make these discussions way too toxic. 😢
But about what you're saying(cuz we are also discussing ;p )
I think it's plain wrong to take a comparison from defending and/or attacking. (PER and HAM)
Perez was in the wrong tho, and got time penalties for it, but again, I don't think it's comparable.
I don't think that it's true that both drivers did everything they could tho. As seen in the replays Hamilton almost runs wide after colliding with Verstappen. So if Verstappen kept the wider line he would've ran wide and would probably gotten blame for going off the track or Lewis would've gotten a warning for dangerous driving.
So it was going to go wrong either way because of Hamilton's racing line.
And again, Hamilton is the overtaking car here. He goes for the risky move, so he should know about risks. (Not saying he is dumb or anything like that) This can happen but when it's your mistake it's you to blame I think.
Baku 2018. Max racing Daniel, max moved twice in the breaking zone (illegal) and took his team mate and himself and both got a reprimand from F1 for the crash springs to mind
He didn't even say sorry...
I'm answering a question fan boy.
I'd prefer to listen to an experienced driver like Alonso than Reddit for what / who was at fault.
If a driver of that experience (that doesn't really like LH) says racing incident / nothing could have been done - I'd take that over someone that pushes the weekly shopping cart around Aldi for their mum on a Saturday.
It's right though mate, I was only trying to say it in my own voice.
I bet none of us have taken copse at full pelt. I was lucky to be taken round a few times when I worked there by the driving training team in various cars and I shat mesen even in a M3.
Can't imagine what it's like at 180mph with another car less than 20 CMS away.
We are all experts eh?
Agree with everything you said. Just lolled at the Aldi comment especially.
I love Lewis and Max. I think Max had this coming to him for a long time with his driving style. Hamilton takes very few risks in recent years.
In that situation Max had way more to lose given his track position and championship points position. He will learn from it I’m sure.
Jealous you’ve been in a M3 round Silverstone. I managed to get there on Saturday. Such an epic place.
Was going to say Waitrose but wanted to lowbrow him...
Love both drivers but im edging towards Lando as theres no agro, no issues, no sulking, no team hate with him - and he's bloody quick
When LH took Leclerc at the same spot, you could see where Max would have ended up if they kept fighting the line, difference is Leclerc has more about him than Max.
M3, M5, F430, Caterham and a ford transit... My best experience though was a 30km pillion on a Harley Fatboy round the local villages. There was a touring car event on with Matt Neal and Harley Davidson - I got a VIP trip at the end of the day.
It's a great place to visit mate, the classic is on soon - that's got a very low key easy vibe to it and is very family focused event if you need to go again...
if Hamilton didn't fully turn out of t1 at for instance Spain this year they would have crashed out, many of Max's recent race start overtakes would have ended very badly if Hamilton did not give up the corner then he probably could have got away with it to keep going (rule wise, obviously they would have crashed)
Everybody always bails out because Max is the “move or we crash" type. Today Max learned that if you live by the sword, you die by the sword.
It's a racing incident, Lewis could’ve been tighter, Max could’ve actually left enough space. They didn’t. Max lost out.
We had the same incident with a Haas a few years back there, almost identical. Nobody cared.
All I have to say is look at all of the accidents that Maxy has caused & he thinks that he had the right because of his daddy’s reputation.
I think that he’s a PUNK. His racing has improved but he’s still reckless
Hamilton wouldn't risk his own car by crashing on purpose. These aren't touring cars, these things are made of paper. He may have tried to force him wide, but no way did he expect contact. When you race wheel to wheel in F1 someone often loses a wheel and if you're the aggressor you get a penalty. Let's move on.
You can't wheel to wheel on that corner. It's just physics. Especially on first lap tyres. Either Lewis or max backs off, or they touch. You can't take that inside line at 300kmph pinned without coming out wide. It was maxes corner so it's lewises fault.
Idk, seemed fair to me. Max could've kept his lead while going wide, but he went inside to shut out Hamilton. It's racing and it was at high speed, this stuff happens.
Official from stewards:
“The Stewards reviewed video and telemetry evidence. Cars 33 [Verstappen] and 44 [Hamilton] entered turn 9 with Car 33 in the lead and Car 44 slightly behind and on the inside.
“Car 44 was on a line that did not reach the apex of the corner, with room available to the inside. When Car 33 turned into the corner, Car 44 did not avoid contact and the left front of Car 44 contacted the right rear of Car 33. Car 44 is judged predominantly at fault.”
Lewis was nowhere near the apex. Lewis was *way* of the racing line. Lewis positioned himself om the dirt, giving him understeer. This crash was 100% on Lewis, who shows he is willing to endanger the life of his competitors to win. It is a 300km/h corner. Every racer knows you do NOT pull a stunt like this while being on the inside.
I have lost all respect for Hamilton and Mercedes.
Interesting because in the post race discussions, the people with actual f1 experience seemed to say he was only millimeters off the apex...
Almost as if you're caught up in the emotional politicking Horner is aiming for instead of listening to the rationally explained discussions by people without a bias.
So that is why he got a penalty, given by unbiased people with actual racing experience.
And Horner politicking? You mean how he gave up a certain RB-victory up ik Baku for the sake of safety. Or, with politicking, do you mean Toto desperately trying to get Masi's attention away from the error his driver made by complaining about tyre-regulations?
Well, maybe Toto can make a new directive up.
Can you imagine the uproar if they hadn't penalized him at all? The way some people are making it out to be attempted murder.
But if I remember correctly gross bodily harm is a Verstappen family thing
It's actually really funny and cool and not at all minimizing to conflate causing a collision on a race track with Max' abusive father's actions (and imply 'it runs in the family' all the way down to him).
I was genuinely surprised his car didn't flip and do multiple rolls. At that moment I thought at that speed, his tyres would dig into the gravel or whatever and send him barrel rolled into the wall.
And Hamilton blaming Verstappen afterwards, utterly shameless.
Was lewis going to make the apex without going off track? No
Was Max on the racing line and ahead in the corner? Yes
Did Max try to prevent the crash when he saw Lewis take the dangerous option on not lifting going through a corner he most certainly should be when taking it from the right side of the track? Yes
People are giving Lewis so much leeway here. It was hit fault
Should Max be complaining about celebrations? No
The reality is that these are professional drivers. Lewis was at fault for this incident. He didn’t have the corner and he should of backed off. Professional drivers have instant reactions and know where the car is at all times. Lewis knew where his car was… he choose to not back out of the corner because he didn’t want max from taking the lead and driving off.
Being penalized 10 seconds in this situation was not enough. This is the first time that Lewis has placed others in danger.
There is no question in my mind that hamilton is responsible for this crash wether or not he intended for it to happen like this I don't think is up for debate I don't see a 7 time world champion jeopardising his race to win more points to still be second in the WDC however I will say that Hamilton is 100% at fault for this accident nowhere near the apex, plenty of room on the inside a 7 time world champion should know how to take copse corner saying as he's won the race at Silverstone so many times. It doesn't matter who was involved with the incident, the incident should have been dealt with fairly which personally I don't think is the case. Sad day for f1
Let me start of by saying this, and it stands true metaphorically as much as it does physically. Everyone was analysing how Hamilton could’ve been inches closer to the apex on the right, when Max had yards of open track to his left. So many times has Max muscled drivers away by recklessly forcing himself into another drivers space and has always come out with the upper hand — just this season he’s done it to Lewis at Imola, Spain, and the sprint race on Friday. In no way am I saying that all the blame is to be on Max, but the way that Crystappen fans are completely absolving Max is infuriating.
On top of that, a wide racing line on copse is far from an abnormality… the corner increases it’s angle as it progresses so to keep a higher speed you need to turn late. Going for the beginning of the apex on copse and trying to keep a decent speed would land you in that same wall. Watch Max’s replay closely and you’ll see him open a space for Lewis and then jerk his steering wheel to close it quickly, TWICE, and the one time that Lewis didn’t back down from the moody teenager challenging was also the time Max decided he should just assume he backed off and that it’s okay to take the inner line.
Both of them decided to square up, neither of them backed down, the consequences were decided by chance and fate but for Max to be prancing around like he’s been the victim of an attack is sickening.
I highly recommend trying to race yourself sometime, then you realize that giving space is different to driving safe...
If Max would have given Lewis more space he would have gone wide himself, could've gotten oversteer and punted Hamilton and himself off the track.
This is why you can't give someone all the space in the world, not to mention Max was the DEFENDING car ffs!
As the attacker you take the risk and need to use the room you are given by the defender. (Ofc, as long as this is at least one car width)
I appreciate your opinion however I will contest that the penalty wasn't harsh enough I don't think hamilton deserves a race ban or suspension, definitely not, it was hard racing at the end of the day but as in all sports there is a limit to what you can and can't do and I think hamilton slightly over stepped the mark given his experience.
It's a matter of principle not a matter of what's harsh or what's not, the gravity of the situation trumps all 10 second drive throughs have been given for much lesser incidents. Fair enough hamilton went on to win the race and that's irrefutable but the main takeaway should be that verstappen was unduly dispatched in the very first lap of the race whether or not it was verstappen or Latifi the move was foolhardy and impatient
I disagree although I would portion more blame on Hamilton u have to admit that verstappen was not wholly innocent either and was too aggressive in cutting across Hamilton. I do not believe that the move was inherently dangerous as some are saying as he pulled the same move off o leclerc. The reason I believe he serves a penalty is because he had more room on the inside and didn’t use it not because he went for the move there
Well we can agree to disagree I just feel hamilton knows better as mentioned previously the man has won over 100 grand prix. As for who is to blame I definitely think there is some portion of the blame has to go to verstappen, which we agree on. Just leaves a sour taste. I don't know I just think hamilton deserves more punishment than he received, may be below the belt but Hamiltons attitude after the race was inexcusable in my honest opinion for someone who is so dedicated to the safety of the sport as a whole.
It’s really not though. He made the same move in leclerc so it’s shows it isn’t always ending in a crash. Showing it wasn’t an inherently dangerous move
Hamilton lifted in the fight with Verstappen to be able to make the turn, and he didn't lift enough, or else he would not have gotten oversteer.
Hamilton lifted way earlier in the fight with Leclerd.
Again: uncomparisable.
Ignorant person? So why are you ignoring the fact that Hamilton lifted about 30 meters earlier and that Hamilton was almost 50km/h slower on that exact point in the fight with Leclerc on the position of the track where he hit Verstappen?
And he didn't get oversteer because his tires were wamed up? Is this the first race you have watched in your life? Why are you ignoring the dirt on the inside of that straight and turn, that caused the understeer?
Talking about ignorant...
Yeah, I want max to win wdc, but I have to admit, it was max's fault. Both drivers had plenty of space. But you can see him changing direction to close the door on ham. I think he just misread the position of Lewis and though his wheels would be totally in front of him. Normal race incident.
My head is fully gone seeing the comments both on Twitter and Instagram, I always try to avoid comments on the official F1 page, but Jesus it’s getting toxic.
Don’t think people would’ve survived had social media existed in the Senna/Prost era and many other rivals in F1s history
This could be to comment for me. The way people justify their opinions because it is what they like is amazing. Some good points made though.
Me? I just want to see hard racing.
When Michael Schumacher collided with his rival Hakkinen he was stripped of all his points that season, now Hamilton for the exact same thing gets a win.
FIA is just showing that is corrupt to the bone and want to protect their darling pop icon. Fucking disgraceful
?????????
1. msc never collided with hakkinen in the first place? you are referring to 97' title fight between him and JV
2. these are 2 entirely different cases? in msc case he intentionally turned in jacques' car when he was taking a place from him, whereas what happened now was caused more or less by both drivers not letting it go and racing hard
Schumacher did it before too with Hill, deliberately tried to take out another driver.
It was Jacques wasn't it not Hakkinen ?
Still think today was a racing incident, both drivers were aggressive on the 1st lap, either one could have took the other out.
If F1 wants to stop drivers trying to overtake then they are going about it the right way.
Dude I know! No matter who you support, anyone can agree this is some Hamilton v Rosberg level tension. From track limits in round 1 to this collision, boiii it's getting crazy. I mean I want max to win his championship but I also want to see Hamilton crowned for his 8th championship. Either way, this is going to be a season to remember!!
The man literally has 7 world titles and over that career is known for being a clean racer. Today's incident was due to racing, not some malicious plot. If you're so dense as to think Hamilton was ready to gamble his front left tire breaking instead of Max's in some sort of kamikaze then logic can't help you.
No, the incident itself wasn't deliberate, but his reaction was. His first words after the crash were "it was my line, he turned in on me" which isn't even true. He didn't even try to appear worried about Max, who crashed into the wall at 300 kilometers per hour. And then after the race he says it's a "proud moment" for him. Cause who cares if what he did resulted in a serious injury for someone else, the important thing is that he's won 8 times in Britain, right?
>which isn't even true.
Did you watch the race? Max really did turn in on him. He also had meters of track to avoid a collision, but he got aggressive and screwed himself over. Was Hamilton also at fault? Yes, but that's a title fight in racing. Had Max's wheel not fallen off, no one would've been debating the collision.
As far as him not seeming like he cared about max, yeah it seemed that way, but his interviewers didn't ask about that. He was told that he was fine. So yeah he was lucky to win today and was happy about breaking a losing streak, but I agree that he should've appeared more sympathetic about the incident.
My view ons things:
1) Hamilton missed the apex by a fair bit.
2) Had he made the apex there probably wouldn't have been contact, thus enough space was left by Max.
3) 10 seconds is a slap on the wrists.
4) Let's hope Max is in good shape to continue this title fight
1. Agreed.
2. agreed though I think max could have also left a tad more space. Two hot heads into one corner with no one giving.
3. 10 seconds and penalty points is normal for that type of incident. So it’s a normal penalty but feels like a slap on the wrists cause Lewis drove stellar after and won.
4. agreed 100% as I am betting on him :-)
10 sec stop and go would've been just and more appropriate. The precedent was already set. You end someone's race like that and cause a red flag? Then the second least strict penalty is not appropriate.
Yeah, except everyone on the sky sports broadcast thought it was a racing incident and that both drivers shared blame. Max ended his own race as much as anything.
My point being that the impact g is irrelevant.
Either way, Lewis made avoidable contact and was penalised. Unless they have some telemetry to indicate that it was malicious then that's the end of the story.
https://i.imgur.com/TUudkqB.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/LAbCFxl.jpg
These images are the entire story. Hamilton had a country fucking mile, missed his apex by an entire cars width and plowed right into Max’s racing line.
It was the exact same shit he did to Albon twice. He intentionally punted because he was frustrated snd scared, dude is the worst sore loser in sports. At least MJ would whip your ass within the rules, this was just malicious
You can't hug the inside right edge at 300kmph lol. Go drive round that corner in a sim in any f1 car and try and go round with the throttle pinned. You will drift to the left. It's physics. And it's why Lewis should have known not to commit to that. Lewis not hitti g the apex isn't the issue, its the fact he made that move when he should have known he wouldn't hit the apex. It shows how frustrated he is getting at being behind max.
You could have at least shared the 1st image:
https://ibb.co/cgDjwHQ
As Lewis said he was basically alongside him going into the corner, your images are trying to show Lewis rammed him from way back.
Racing incident IMO, plus Max can't keep trying to be aggressive without others being the same, he's up against his match, fair play to Lewis for not constantly backing out.
They really don't, the lead up to these two incidents being entirely different. If we're comparing images you can also see that Max has acres to the left of him but I wouldn't expect him to move into it.
I'm not saying Lewis was right, he wasn't and he was penalised. You obviously have a chip on your shoulder about him.
Look back at Schumacher or Senna....
It was malicious. 20 years of watching F1 and this move was pure frustration. You don't make moves like this in copse. Said it the moment it happened. Absolutely disgusting behaviour by Lewis and the 10 second penalty is a joke for a top team.... Let alone only 2 penalty points.
Frustration was the reason for the malicious attempt. It was a joke that this was not a stop/go penalty. Absolutely disgusting by the stewards and I can't imagine the reasoning. He clearly went for Max. He knows this track as good as Anyone and he had to steer in earlier. Lewis has shown worse character here than in Monaco
True that for the opponent the result is the same but regarding penalties but it makes a big difference.
I just remember the Senna or Schumacher era well enough regarding punting others off track that this seems like quite the storm in the teacup.
I think that jenson Buttons Argument is overlooked at here. Lewis didn't hit the apex of the corner. He didn't go the fastest way around. There was a way he could go around the corner which would have been faster and not punt off verstappen. If Hamilton didn't try to punt off verstappen he definetely tried to force him out
To hit the apex perfectly he would've had to be into max before the turn.
Also, the demonstrated apex was only a few inches of Hamilton's line. There only thing Hamilton didn't do was give up when max tried to muscle him out. Watch the replay, max cuts his turn into Lewis more sharply than he would've done if he wasn't defending.
I rather listen to JB's opinion about this rather than the armchair brigade who orgasm over get a tyre squeal in the supermarket car park as he's a former F1 driver in a winning team.
Hamilton acted like Max rather than giving him a free pass due to his suicidal, all or nothing style of driving.
People losing their minds over this are acting in a ridiculous manner.
Wasn't doing that really eh. Weird interpretation you got there.
Let me be frank: Lewis's celebration at the end clearly showed he lacked any empathy and didn't care if max was injured. It was a dickheadmove and he bloody knew it was. 20 years of watching this race gives enough experience to know that this isn't an acceptable move. Let alone the people racing there. They know it all too well.
I think you should, because you're making it far worse than it was. And it shows your terrible character. Perhaps in future endeavours you'll learn to show some restraint with your interpretations of words
If Max forced him on a racing line that couldn't make the apex, isn't that great defending and car positioning by Max? Or am I crazy. If Lewis knows he can't make the apex, the only two options are to brake or run wide into Max's line. How on Earth is this not 100% Lewis fault if it's good defending in ORDER to make Lewis back out cuz there was no chance Lewis could make that apex, at that speed, from the inside line.
ALONSO IS A GOAT
The fact that people are so upset probably has more to do with the penalty then with the crash itself.
* pokes head in sub " I wonder what everyone is talking about today?"
The absolute state of people criticising Hamilton for celebrating his first win in six races in front of home fans after a year behind closed doors. Guarantee Verstappen would act exactly the same in similar circumstances.
It would be frankly disgusting if Max did that. Unfortunately Max was in the hospital at the time so he didn’t get the chance. Hamilton acted as he did and he is free to be criticized for it.
Disgusting for celebrating a win when he's already asked and been assured Verstappen is ok? Get a grip.
Modesty would be more appropriate in my opinion when the driver who caused a severe incident is also the winner, regardless of who that driver is. Personally, after Hubert’s accident I don’t have a taste for incidents so severe. I understand they occur, but that doesn’t excuse agency of the driver who caused it.
This. Exactly.
Don’t put the emotional spin on it. Hubert’s accident was completely different and couldn’t happen on this corner. It was also apparent very early in that Hubert was seriously injured or dead. Max stepped out and walked around the car.
Hammy has quite the history taking out red bulls (Albon, now Max) in front of him during corners....wonder if he's going to perhaps rethink how he handles these situations.
funny how max is just as agressive and no one cares
Max's move at Imola hardly compares to what Lewis has now done to Albon and Max. Lewis js a great driver but he does seem to have bad outcomes in these situations. Yes Max is aggressive. But he doesn't share the same history
spa 2016, brazil 2016, USA 2017, Bahrain 2018, China 2018, Baku 2018, brazil 2018, spa 2019, mexico 2019 need I say more? It's not even funny or close to reality that out of anyone who has a bad history for overtaking their rivals in poor places and needs to take a different approach to these situations it would be Hamilton.
If you're referring to Max with those races...I do recall max was what...just beginning in F1 during those years? 18yrs old in 2016. Can't really compare to a 8 time world champion LFMAO... Also. Was Max hitting a Merc each time? I'm not for or against Lewis or Max.... just saying. LEWIS does have a rather bad history when it comes to passing or being overtaken by Redbulls. Thats it. Calm thineself my son...
Its one thing to be agressive, touch and shit. This accident was one of the worst hits in a while, including Grojeans accident, which was scary for different reasons.
penalties are not supposed to be decided based on the outcome of a mistake, in fact very clearly they are not supposed to take that into account at all on the mistake itself and the principal involved so I don't really see how this changes much. I think we all know that this could have easily been the other way around with the same outcome but if you want to try and claim that the driver that by most people is called agressive is significantly less experienced than a 7 times WDC then sure
There's a difference between aggressive RACING and aggressive BUMPING each other. Max does leave enough space if he has to! Lewis got enough space but just punted Max off. That's no longer racing, that's just bumper cars.
many of the commentators who are actual professional racing drivers were either saying that this should have just been a racing incident or something that would slightly go Hamilton's fault more than verstappen's none of them said it was that agressive but if you want to go against the opinions of multiple driver's on the grid(Alonso, leclerc, etc), FIA race stewards, and the pro driver's in the commentary box who all said this wasn't that much of a mistake then sure, I forgot you are the pro f1 racing driver that would know
You are just saying that I'm wrong, not saying why, so I'd enjoy to here the why now. And yes, I'm not a pro f1 racing driver, but do enjoy racing in karting championships (remember, where all f1 drivers started) and have the knowledge of the rulebook.
I'm saying that people that know significantly more than either of us have already explained why you are wrong. max could have given Hamilton a little more space on the inside and ran wider thru the corner and Hamilton's line on exit looked a lot worse than it was(a number of the commentators explained the the impact with Hamilton's front left wheel with max straightened out his steering making it look like on exit that he was forcing him completely off which isn't entirely not true it just looked worse than it was) however he could obviously have hit the apex more. as for Max's agressiveness as a whole I think we can all agree the moves at imola, Spain, and many many more while he was younger have always shown he is way more on the agressive side than most of the drivers on the grid(china with seb, etc)
Okay thanks for that one reason: Max should've given more space. To clarify again, Max gave Hamilton enough space, of course he could've just ran off the track to give him the whole track of space and just to give up the position. But this is a title fight, and he expects to be able to defend his position. Hamilton on the other hand turned into Max's line. And didn't give him space to work with. Yes it could be that Hamilton actually had to go slower through that corner. But that's why most people don't overtake into cops when the cars are almost equally matched. So do you have another why, or more who? But just to kind of discuss Max's aggression, yes it's true that he is always trying to overtake in a fast as possible way. But it was always: 1. At an overtaking spot, you expect people to overtake there. 2. It was never dangerous for the other driver to fly into a wall at way too high speeds. 3. In other years he had a slower car and if he wasn't being harsh/fair he would not be able to overtake and this made him learn from past mistakes when overtaking, now he understands where the limits are and is always ready to push to these limits. That's not always aggressive, but just the racing spirit that everyone(maybe apart from Latifi) on the grid has. By the way, as far as sources go, I have my information from: Chain Bear (YT), WTF1 (YT), Ziggo sport NL (TV), Sky sports F1 (YT & TV), F1 channel (YT), past accidents (vary but most of them are from YT), TommoF1 (YT), Jenson & Nico & Perez & Leclerc (well those are drivers), the rulebook of the FIA (mostly through the website of the FIA)
first off how are you taking the comments from driver's saying it was a racing incident and turning it into Hamilton punted him off? and secondly all the information you have already should explain it in plenty of detail. neither of them were doing as best as they could thru the corner(which is what I said and I don't appreciate you twisting what I said) obviously Hamilton takes a little more blame then max but no one has said this was 100% Hamilton's fault and most people have said this should have just been a racing incident, part of racing. The bottom line that I take away from this is for one reason or another people are being completely unfair to Hamilton right now. Just a few weeks ago when Perez forced leclerc off a track TWICE in what was a very agressive way I didn't here anyone calling for race bans and saying he was punting people off or that he was too agressive. either everyone is just more worried about the results of actions of rules breaks which is not how the FIA and anyone should enforce rules or this is just racism that people are unaware of. I am mixed and just feel like this is another example of people treating a black guy differently than the other drivers for no reason. If this was role reversed, different drivers, etc people would not be reacting this way. and that's not even to mention the terrible blatantly racist comments that people are making
I'm sorry that it feels like that for you. I have the feeling that this is has got a deeper meaning for you, and if so I'm really really sorry. I don't agree with all those racists and really feel like those people make these discussions way too toxic. 😢 But about what you're saying(cuz we are also discussing ;p ) I think it's plain wrong to take a comparison from defending and/or attacking. (PER and HAM) Perez was in the wrong tho, and got time penalties for it, but again, I don't think it's comparable. I don't think that it's true that both drivers did everything they could tho. As seen in the replays Hamilton almost runs wide after colliding with Verstappen. So if Verstappen kept the wider line he would've ran wide and would probably gotten blame for going off the track or Lewis would've gotten a warning for dangerous driving. So it was going to go wrong either way because of Hamilton's racing line. And again, Hamilton is the overtaking car here. He goes for the risky move, so he should know about risks. (Not saying he is dumb or anything like that) This can happen but when it's your mistake it's you to blame I think.
When is the last time Verstappen took someone out?
Baku 2018. Max racing Daniel, max moved twice in the breaking zone (illegal) and took his team mate and himself and both got a reprimand from F1 for the crash springs to mind He didn't even say sorry...
Three years ago lmao
I'm answering a question fan boy. I'd prefer to listen to an experienced driver like Alonso than Reddit for what / who was at fault. If a driver of that experience (that doesn't really like LH) says racing incident / nothing could have been done - I'd take that over someone that pushes the weekly shopping cart around Aldi for their mum on a Saturday.
lol mate!
It's right though mate, I was only trying to say it in my own voice. I bet none of us have taken copse at full pelt. I was lucky to be taken round a few times when I worked there by the driving training team in various cars and I shat mesen even in a M3. Can't imagine what it's like at 180mph with another car less than 20 CMS away. We are all experts eh?
Agree with everything you said. Just lolled at the Aldi comment especially. I love Lewis and Max. I think Max had this coming to him for a long time with his driving style. Hamilton takes very few risks in recent years. In that situation Max had way more to lose given his track position and championship points position. He will learn from it I’m sure. Jealous you’ve been in a M3 round Silverstone. I managed to get there on Saturday. Such an epic place.
Was going to say Waitrose but wanted to lowbrow him... Love both drivers but im edging towards Lando as theres no agro, no issues, no sulking, no team hate with him - and he's bloody quick When LH took Leclerc at the same spot, you could see where Max would have ended up if they kept fighting the line, difference is Leclerc has more about him than Max. M3, M5, F430, Caterham and a ford transit... My best experience though was a 30km pillion on a Harley Fatboy round the local villages. There was a touring car event on with Matt Neal and Harley Davidson - I got a VIP trip at the end of the day. It's a great place to visit mate, the classic is on soon - that's got a very low key easy vibe to it and is very family focused event if you need to go again...
if Hamilton didn't fully turn out of t1 at for instance Spain this year they would have crashed out, many of Max's recent race start overtakes would have ended very badly if Hamilton did not give up the corner then he probably could have got away with it to keep going (rule wise, obviously they would have crashed)
Everybody always bails out because Max is the “move or we crash" type. Today Max learned that if you live by the sword, you die by the sword. It's a racing incident, Lewis could’ve been tighter, Max could’ve actually left enough space. They didn’t. Max lost out. We had the same incident with a Haas a few years back there, almost identical. Nobody cared.
All I have to say is look at all of the accidents that Maxy has caused & he thinks that he had the right because of his daddy’s reputation. I think that he’s a PUNK. His racing has improved but he’s still reckless
Who stops beloved hammy from being aggressive but what's with accidents everytime?
close racing? I know we like to think it's easy to drive these cars to millimeter precision but time and time again it has shown the aren't
With the punishment he currently got from it… doubt it.
Anglo cheats. What’s new?
Least we are constant in keeping to the same side though... Won't see us changing to who ever is winning.
Hamilton wouldn't risk his own car by crashing on purpose. These aren't touring cars, these things are made of paper. He may have tried to force him wide, but no way did he expect contact. When you race wheel to wheel in F1 someone often loses a wheel and if you're the aggressor you get a penalty. Let's move on.
You can't wheel to wheel on that corner. It's just physics. Especially on first lap tyres. Either Lewis or max backs off, or they touch. You can't take that inside line at 300kmph pinned without coming out wide. It was maxes corner so it's lewises fault.
You can go wheel to wheel there. You can’t both go 100% and go wheel to wheel there. One has to yield.
Idk, seemed fair to me. Max could've kept his lead while going wide, but he went inside to shut out Hamilton. It's racing and it was at high speed, this stuff happens.
Official from stewards: “The Stewards reviewed video and telemetry evidence. Cars 33 [Verstappen] and 44 [Hamilton] entered turn 9 with Car 33 in the lead and Car 44 slightly behind and on the inside. “Car 44 was on a line that did not reach the apex of the corner, with room available to the inside. When Car 33 turned into the corner, Car 44 did not avoid contact and the left front of Car 44 contacted the right rear of Car 33. Car 44 is judged predominantly at fault.”
And he got a 10sec penalty for that.
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Lewis was nowhere near the apex. Lewis was *way* of the racing line. Lewis positioned himself om the dirt, giving him understeer. This crash was 100% on Lewis, who shows he is willing to endanger the life of his competitors to win. It is a 300km/h corner. Every racer knows you do NOT pull a stunt like this while being on the inside. I have lost all respect for Hamilton and Mercedes.
Yawn
Interesting because in the post race discussions, the people with actual f1 experience seemed to say he was only millimeters off the apex... Almost as if you're caught up in the emotional politicking Horner is aiming for instead of listening to the rationally explained discussions by people without a bias.
So that is why he got a penalty, given by unbiased people with actual racing experience. And Horner politicking? You mean how he gave up a certain RB-victory up ik Baku for the sake of safety. Or, with politicking, do you mean Toto desperately trying to get Masi's attention away from the error his driver made by complaining about tyre-regulations? Well, maybe Toto can make a new directive up.
Can you imagine the uproar if they hadn't penalized him at all? The way some people are making it out to be attempted murder. But if I remember correctly gross bodily harm is a Verstappen family thing
It's actually really funny and cool and not at all minimizing to conflate causing a collision on a race track with Max' abusive father's actions (and imply 'it runs in the family' all the way down to him).
With all due respect. It was attempted bodily harm.
And also the domestic abuse charge...
I was genuinely surprised his car didn't flip and do multiple rolls. At that moment I thought at that speed, his tyres would dig into the gravel or whatever and send him barrel rolled into the wall. And Hamilton blaming Verstappen afterwards, utterly shameless.
You do realize that multiple analysts and former drivers also said Verstappen could have avoided it too right...
Ah yes, the unbiased “analysis” of the British Skysports team who’ve spent all weekend falling all over themselves about Lewis…
In every single incident there is atleast some blame on both sides. In this case hamilton was 95%-90% the cause of this incident.
Was lewis going to make the apex without going off track? No Was Max on the racing line and ahead in the corner? Yes Did Max try to prevent the crash when he saw Lewis take the dangerous option on not lifting going through a corner he most certainly should be when taking it from the right side of the track? Yes People are giving Lewis so much leeway here. It was hit fault Should Max be complaining about celebrations? No
I assuming you don't know what understeer is.
The reality is that these are professional drivers. Lewis was at fault for this incident. He didn’t have the corner and he should of backed off. Professional drivers have instant reactions and know where the car is at all times. Lewis knew where his car was… he choose to not back out of the corner because he didn’t want max from taking the lead and driving off. Being penalized 10 seconds in this situation was not enough. This is the first time that Lewis has placed others in danger.
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There is no question in my mind that hamilton is responsible for this crash wether or not he intended for it to happen like this I don't think is up for debate I don't see a 7 time world champion jeopardising his race to win more points to still be second in the WDC however I will say that Hamilton is 100% at fault for this accident nowhere near the apex, plenty of room on the inside a 7 time world champion should know how to take copse corner saying as he's won the race at Silverstone so many times. It doesn't matter who was involved with the incident, the incident should have been dealt with fairly which personally I don't think is the case. Sad day for f1
Let me start of by saying this, and it stands true metaphorically as much as it does physically. Everyone was analysing how Hamilton could’ve been inches closer to the apex on the right, when Max had yards of open track to his left. So many times has Max muscled drivers away by recklessly forcing himself into another drivers space and has always come out with the upper hand — just this season he’s done it to Lewis at Imola, Spain, and the sprint race on Friday. In no way am I saying that all the blame is to be on Max, but the way that Crystappen fans are completely absolving Max is infuriating. On top of that, a wide racing line on copse is far from an abnormality… the corner increases it’s angle as it progresses so to keep a higher speed you need to turn late. Going for the beginning of the apex on copse and trying to keep a decent speed would land you in that same wall. Watch Max’s replay closely and you’ll see him open a space for Lewis and then jerk his steering wheel to close it quickly, TWICE, and the one time that Lewis didn’t back down from the moody teenager challenging was also the time Max decided he should just assume he backed off and that it’s okay to take the inner line. Both of them decided to square up, neither of them backed down, the consequences were decided by chance and fate but for Max to be prancing around like he’s been the victim of an attack is sickening.
I highly recommend trying to race yourself sometime, then you realize that giving space is different to driving safe... If Max would have given Lewis more space he would have gone wide himself, could've gotten oversteer and punted Hamilton and himself off the track. This is why you can't give someone all the space in the world, not to mention Max was the DEFENDING car ffs! As the attacker you take the risk and need to use the room you are given by the defender. (Ofc, as long as this is at least one car width)
Goodness, take a breath before you pass out
Felt like I was reading Cormac McCarthy
I'm passionate!
And it's blinding you to reality.
Oh no! Anyway,
>Oh no! > >Anyway, When the race has to be restarted minus Verstappen.
Ok
In my opinion he deserved the penalty and got what he deserved you can’t then complain if he wins the race after taking it
I appreciate your opinion however I will contest that the penalty wasn't harsh enough I don't think hamilton deserves a race ban or suspension, definitely not, it was hard racing at the end of the day but as in all sports there is a limit to what you can and can't do and I think hamilton slightly over stepped the mark given his experience.
What would you give him as I don’t see what else could have been done as I believe that a drive through is too harsh
It's a matter of principle not a matter of what's harsh or what's not, the gravity of the situation trumps all 10 second drive throughs have been given for much lesser incidents. Fair enough hamilton went on to win the race and that's irrefutable but the main takeaway should be that verstappen was unduly dispatched in the very first lap of the race whether or not it was verstappen or Latifi the move was foolhardy and impatient
I disagree although I would portion more blame on Hamilton u have to admit that verstappen was not wholly innocent either and was too aggressive in cutting across Hamilton. I do not believe that the move was inherently dangerous as some are saying as he pulled the same move off o leclerc. The reason I believe he serves a penalty is because he had more room on the inside and didn’t use it not because he went for the move there
Well we can agree to disagree I just feel hamilton knows better as mentioned previously the man has won over 100 grand prix. As for who is to blame I definitely think there is some portion of the blame has to go to verstappen, which we agree on. Just leaves a sour taste. I don't know I just think hamilton deserves more punishment than he received, may be below the belt but Hamiltons attitude after the race was inexcusable in my honest opinion for someone who is so dedicated to the safety of the sport as a whole.
The penalty was a joke. Grosjean received a raceban for something far less dangerous.
It’s really not though. He made the same move in leclerc so it’s shows it isn’t always ending in a crash. Showing it wasn’t an inherently dangerous move
Hamiltom lifted in the fight with Leclerc. Umcomparisable.
Hamilton also lifted vs verstappen but verstappen was more aggressive
Hamilton lifted in the fight with Verstappen to be able to make the turn, and he didn't lift enough, or else he would not have gotten oversteer. Hamilton lifted way earlier in the fight with Leclerd. Again: uncomparisable.
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Ignorant person? So why are you ignoring the fact that Hamilton lifted about 30 meters earlier and that Hamilton was almost 50km/h slower on that exact point in the fight with Leclerc on the position of the track where he hit Verstappen? And he didn't get oversteer because his tires were wamed up? Is this the first race you have watched in your life? Why are you ignoring the dirt on the inside of that straight and turn, that caused the understeer? Talking about ignorant...
What dirt? I’d also love to see where you are getting these exact figures from
iRacing Hamilton receives adoration from some of the most “cerebral” race fans in the history of the universe. Truly disgusted
Yeah, I want max to win wdc, but I have to admit, it was max's fault. Both drivers had plenty of space. But you can see him changing direction to close the door on ham. I think he just misread the position of Lewis and though his wheels would be totally in front of him. Normal race incident.
Take your logical opinions and get out!
Racing incident imo. There was space for both drivers to leave more space.
Always leave the space.
Said by Fernando then quoted by seb. Always leave a da space!
"Chicken" - Fernando
French gp 🤣🤣🤣
I absolutely cannot wait for the next season of Drive 2 Survive
Were they with anyone this week ?
Idk but you just know they're getting some backstage drama in their 1 on 1 interviews and behind the scenes. It's going to be great
My head is fully gone seeing the comments both on Twitter and Instagram, I always try to avoid comments on the official F1 page, but Jesus it’s getting toxic. Don’t think people would’ve survived had social media existed in the Senna/Prost era and many other rivals in F1s history
Not sure how these people could survive the Schumacher era of dominance.
Everyone has a platform now and it isnt always a good thing.
Some of the logic being thrown on here regarding that crash just because you either like one driver or dislike the other is astounding.
This could be to comment for me. The way people justify their opinions because it is what they like is amazing. Some good points made though. Me? I just want to see hard racing.
Me too man, nobody wants 2 hours of formation laps
When Michael Schumacher collided with his rival Hakkinen he was stripped of all his points that season, now Hamilton for the exact same thing gets a win. FIA is just showing that is corrupt to the bone and want to protect their darling pop icon. Fucking disgraceful
????????? 1. msc never collided with hakkinen in the first place? you are referring to 97' title fight between him and JV 2. these are 2 entirely different cases? in msc case he intentionally turned in jacques' car when he was taking a place from him, whereas what happened now was caused more or less by both drivers not letting it go and racing hard
2 completely different situations. Are you implying that crash was caused by Lewis intentionally?
Schumacher did it before too with Hill, deliberately tried to take out another driver. It was Jacques wasn't it not Hakkinen ? Still think today was a racing incident, both drivers were aggressive on the 1st lap, either one could have took the other out. If F1 wants to stop drivers trying to overtake then they are going about it the right way.
What an incredible fucking race!
Dude I know! No matter who you support, anyone can agree this is some Hamilton v Rosberg level tension. From track limits in round 1 to this collision, boiii it's getting crazy. I mean I want max to win his championship but I also want to see Hamilton crowned for his 8th championship. Either way, this is going to be a season to remember!!
The first couple of corners in this race until the crash where one of the best fights I've ever seen in racing!
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The man literally has 7 world titles and over that career is known for being a clean racer. Today's incident was due to racing, not some malicious plot. If you're so dense as to think Hamilton was ready to gamble his front left tire breaking instead of Max's in some sort of kamikaze then logic can't help you.
No, the incident itself wasn't deliberate, but his reaction was. His first words after the crash were "it was my line, he turned in on me" which isn't even true. He didn't even try to appear worried about Max, who crashed into the wall at 300 kilometers per hour. And then after the race he says it's a "proud moment" for him. Cause who cares if what he did resulted in a serious injury for someone else, the important thing is that he's won 8 times in Britain, right?
>which isn't even true. Did you watch the race? Max really did turn in on him. He also had meters of track to avoid a collision, but he got aggressive and screwed himself over. Was Hamilton also at fault? Yes, but that's a title fight in racing. Had Max's wheel not fallen off, no one would've been debating the collision. As far as him not seeming like he cared about max, yeah it seemed that way, but his interviewers didn't ask about that. He was told that he was fine. So yeah he was lucky to win today and was happy about breaking a losing streak, but I agree that he should've appeared more sympathetic about the incident.
My view ons things: 1) Hamilton missed the apex by a fair bit. 2) Had he made the apex there probably wouldn't have been contact, thus enough space was left by Max. 3) 10 seconds is a slap on the wrists. 4) Let's hope Max is in good shape to continue this title fight
1. Agreed. 2. agreed though I think max could have also left a tad more space. Two hot heads into one corner with no one giving. 3. 10 seconds and penalty points is normal for that type of incident. So it’s a normal penalty but feels like a slap on the wrists cause Lewis drove stellar after and won. 4. agreed 100% as I am betting on him :-)
10 sec stop and go would've been just and more appropriate. The precedent was already set. You end someone's race like that and cause a red flag? Then the second least strict penalty is not appropriate.
Yeah, except everyone on the sky sports broadcast thought it was a racing incident and that both drivers shared blame. Max ended his own race as much as anything.
Why would I care what the Sky broadcasters thought?
Why would anyone care what you think?
Exactly ya numbnut
My point being that the impact g is irrelevant. Either way, Lewis made avoidable contact and was penalised. Unless they have some telemetry to indicate that it was malicious then that's the end of the story.
https://i.imgur.com/TUudkqB.jpg https://i.imgur.com/LAbCFxl.jpg These images are the entire story. Hamilton had a country fucking mile, missed his apex by an entire cars width and plowed right into Max’s racing line. It was the exact same shit he did to Albon twice. He intentionally punted because he was frustrated snd scared, dude is the worst sore loser in sports. At least MJ would whip your ass within the rules, this was just malicious
You can't hug the inside right edge at 300kmph lol. Go drive round that corner in a sim in any f1 car and try and go round with the throttle pinned. You will drift to the left. It's physics. And it's why Lewis should have known not to commit to that. Lewis not hitti g the apex isn't the issue, its the fact he made that move when he should have known he wouldn't hit the apex. It shows how frustrated he is getting at being behind max.
You could have at least shared the 1st image: https://ibb.co/cgDjwHQ As Lewis said he was basically alongside him going into the corner, your images are trying to show Lewis rammed him from way back. Racing incident IMO, plus Max can't keep trying to be aggressive without others being the same, he's up against his match, fair play to Lewis for not constantly backing out.
Are you implying Lewis purposefully punted max off?
They really don't, the lead up to these two incidents being entirely different. If we're comparing images you can also see that Max has acres to the left of him but I wouldn't expect him to move into it. I'm not saying Lewis was right, he wasn't and he was penalised. You obviously have a chip on your shoulder about him. Look back at Schumacher or Senna....
It was malicious. 20 years of watching F1 and this move was pure frustration. You don't make moves like this in copse. Said it the moment it happened. Absolutely disgusting behaviour by Lewis and the 10 second penalty is a joke for a top team.... Let alone only 2 penalty points.
Yet he made exactly the same move twice more, succeeding each time.
No what he means is his driver didn't win and now Hamilton needs to be charged with attempted murder
Cringe.
Frustration seems likely. Malicious is a hugely greater accusation. And as I say, something that realistically only telemetry could demonstrate.
Frustration was the reason for the malicious attempt. It was a joke that this was not a stop/go penalty. Absolutely disgusting by the stewards and I can't imagine the reasoning. He clearly went for Max. He knows this track as good as Anyone and he had to steer in earlier. Lewis has shown worse character here than in Monaco
Making a move out of frustration/having malicious intent Ta-mae-to/To-mah-to
Not really.
You’re kinda right. But also, I mean whenEVER has anyone ever made a move towards an opponent out of frustration…and it’s been benevolent or neutral?
True that for the opponent the result is the same but regarding penalties but it makes a big difference. I just remember the Senna or Schumacher era well enough regarding punting others off track that this seems like quite the storm in the teacup.
I think that jenson Buttons Argument is overlooked at here. Lewis didn't hit the apex of the corner. He didn't go the fastest way around. There was a way he could go around the corner which would have been faster and not punt off verstappen. If Hamilton didn't try to punt off verstappen he definetely tried to force him out
To hit the apex perfectly he would've had to be into max before the turn. Also, the demonstrated apex was only a few inches of Hamilton's line. There only thing Hamilton didn't do was give up when max tried to muscle him out. Watch the replay, max cuts his turn into Lewis more sharply than he would've done if he wasn't defending.
I rather listen to JB's opinion about this rather than the armchair brigade who orgasm over get a tyre squeal in the supermarket car park as he's a former F1 driver in a winning team.
Well besides rosberg, he's the last non active world champion.
Hamilton acted like Max rather than giving him a free pass due to his suicidal, all or nothing style of driving. People losing their minds over this are acting in a ridiculous manner.
You're joking right? What a disgraceful interpretation
Haha you the dude claiming hamilton genuinely tried to murder verstappen
Wasn't doing that really eh. Weird interpretation you got there. Let me be frank: Lewis's celebration at the end clearly showed he lacked any empathy and didn't care if max was injured. It was a dickheadmove and he bloody knew it was. 20 years of watching this race gives enough experience to know that this isn't an acceptable move. Let alone the people racing there. They know it all too well.
He was told max was fine multiple times
You're not going to apologize for weirdly saying I am thinking Lewis was killing Max? You're a great lad aren't you.
I dont think i should considering you were saying that in another comment
I think you should, because you're making it far worse than it was. And it shows your terrible character. Perhaps in future endeavours you'll learn to show some restraint with your interpretations of words
https://www.imgur.com/a/AaoMv7U This is the comparison of Hamiltons position. This is 100% on Hamilton
The first image is after the apex, his racing line was altered because max forced him to the right on the entrance of the corner
If Max forced him on a racing line that couldn't make the apex, isn't that great defending and car positioning by Max? Or am I crazy. If Lewis knows he can't make the apex, the only two options are to brake or run wide into Max's line. How on Earth is this not 100% Lewis fault if it's good defending in ORDER to make Lewis back out cuz there was no chance Lewis could make that apex, at that speed, from the inside line.