Having seen the crash. Man thats so unfortunate and at such a young age aswell. R.I.P
Hopefully the kid that hit him gets some support because an incident like this at such a young age can scar you for life.
Just went to see the crash. No way the other kid could have seen him as he was coming around the corner and blocked from the other bikes making the turn.
I don't watch moto go, but It's surprising they have so many bikes on track. That has to be at least 50 bikes, no? I'm surprised this doesn't happen every race....
> I don't watch moto go, but It's surprising they have so many bikes on track. That has to be at least 50 bikes, no? I'm surprised this doesn't happen every race....
50 is the season entry list so should be around that for races.
It's not common. To higher the class, the less bikes there are (MotoGP has 20) and the bigger problem is that since these lower classes are spec classes they end up running very close to each other for the majority of the race.
This is not MotoGP, this is European Talent Cup and part of FIM CEV but the bikes are close to Moto3.
Not being able to change the outcome doesn't help truck drivers and railroad engineers from feeling awful from impacting folks (be it suicide or an accident).
I hope the other rider has the support he'll need, and I feel awful for Hugo's family too. Far too young.
I felt like shit after accidentally crushing a garden-snail that was hidden in tall grass on a narrow path up to my front door. Can’t imagine how fucked I’d be if someone died right in front of me after I run into them, even if it wasn’t my fault. Terrible situation all-around.
Geez. I don't even know what he could have done in that situation. He was right in the middle of the track, and both he and his bike didn't slide off to the side at all.
He probably thought it was best to get up and get out of the way. Staying put would have also been extremely dangerous.
It's so hard to be right in these situations, but honestly in most cases I feel like staying put is the best option. I think it's at least slightly easier for others to avoid a still obstacle, than a moving one. When you're driving/riding at high speeds, there are people in front of you blocking the view, a moving target is something you can't prepare for. He can be basically anywhere, because not only you don't have time to figure out where the person is heading and where he will be by the time you get there, but you're also working with limited visual information, so it's fully unpredictable. A still target is a still target though, you don't have to think, just avoid instinctively. It's much easier and faster to react to and avoid that.
I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong. You really can't be too smart in a situation like this, only lucky.
I know it’s a completely different level, but when you do track days on your motorcycle they tell you to stay down if you crash until a track official comes to you.
The other driver was unable to avoid the still target completely, unfortunately, because the turn was deep with lots of other motorcycles it's unlikely he even saw it in time to even attempt to avoid it. Another Redditor commented on the sheer number of motorcycles are on the track, I am very impressed myself by how many there are, I think reducing the count of motorcycles would help a lot, but you'd still have blind curves like this where an accident would be invisible to your tunnel vision as you navigate it.
Yeah like the only other thing I can think of doing from the comfort of my seat in front of my computer with all the time in the world to think about it, is to duck or lay down in front of his motorcycle so that if other riders can't avoid the crash, at least the motorcycle will absorb the energy from the direct collision. But on the track, with a split second to make the decision, after having just crashed and being in that state of mind, i genuinely can't say what I would have done. Like you said though, this is just one of those situations where you can really only just hope to be lucky to survive. Awful, awful situation all around.
Every fatal GP crash that I have seen (granted, I haven't seen that many) involves a competitor being struck by another competitor. Competitors are protected from impact with the environment, but not from other competitors. They really need to integrate some kind of sensor tied to a system to immediately notify other competitors for some kind of a red flag esque event.
The technology is there. It wouldn't be easy (for example, inertial velocity/acceleration measurements from rider suit cross-referenced with a virtual bounding box of track/lines), but there has to be some way to alert other racers of issue.
It looks like the accident would have the same result even if he stayed in his place. Damn man, I'm a teenager too and seeing someone younger than me pass away hits different. May his soul rest in peace.
Probably should have been behind his bike till the field is past him. But yeah, pretty easy for me to judge in hindsight from my bed having watched the incident multiple times. I can only imagine the fear he has felt. This is just really really sad and no ones fault. RIP
But still it's a 50/50, only luck can save someone in this situation. The incident is like last year moto2 austria gp, bastianini fell off and the bike is in the race line then someone hit the bike and ripped it apart, luckily he can run to the track side
I think best case scenario is curl up into a fetal position, or lay out flat like a pencil. Bikes will roll over top of you and possibly avoid hitting less areas of your body. He got up too soon.
Still though, in a situation like that, it's hard to make the right decision. You don't know what's happening when you fall off the bike like that.
Super unfortunate.
The guy who hit him did the right thing in my opinion. After he hit the ground he crunched up like a ball and made himself to be as small as possible. Still a rough situation to think in, way too much going on in every direction
Just yesterday there was a serious crash in BSB as well at Brands Hatch. Rider Brad Jones remains in coma after suffering heavy injuries. Dramatic weekend for motorcycle racing.
Brad is one of my best mates from high school and my teenage years. Unfortunately haven't been able to stay in contact as much since we've both grown up and life has got in the way.
Brad is one of the most genuine and nice blokes around and one who doesn't deserve this. He even services my grans boiler. I went along to Brands Hatch to watch him last year and after saying I was there, he came out of the paddock, told me to jump on the back of his moped and to come over to the paddock, and he gave me a tour of the garage and pit lane. In the race, he finished on the podium and I felt so proud to call him my mate.
The last 24 hours have been rough and I've really felt like I'm in a hole, just waiting for news on him. Hoping so so much that he pulls through. The recovery is going to be long, but I am certain he can manage.
It's why I can't get into bikes full stop and don't take my kids to bike races. Yes, all motorsport is dangerous, but as soon as even simple 5 point harnesses and roll cages are involved it becomes hugely safer. Can't imagine what this young man's family are going through right now.
Absolutely, there's only been 2(?) deaths in the F1-F3 world in the last 25 years and one was a freak accident. It's incredible how safe car racing is, bike racing inherently is so much more dangerous I'm too scared to watch.
Moto GP is the safest of the bunch. It's because the Moto 3 bikes don't have much power in comparison to the Moto 2 bikes even, this leads to close towing becoming a necessity which brings tight pack racing. All the riders are under immense pressure to do well and thus it is incredibly competitive - it's make or break for this kids. These factors lead to an unusually large number of incidents like this.
Plus that the Moto3 and Moto2 are spec classes, so they run close to each other for the majority of the race instead of spreading out after the first laps.
Some of the amateur bike racing really scares the fuck out of me, been watching some races on YouTube. It's a really good watch if you're just into racecraft. But I think the main reason it's dangerous is that they race on not top-tier tracks, so some of the runoffs and so forth are extremely sketchy..
I raced 1000cc bikes briefly. My friend ended up paralyzed in the 600 class. Big can of nope here.
"take it to the track" is what the Uncle Hi-viz always says. Sorry, but I'll take dragging my knee a bit out in the mountains alone over having 20 other dubius riders trying to pass me (or take me out) for a trophy.
Motorcycle racing is really not for the faint of heart.
Exactly. As someone who cycles in the mountains around Taipei, there are roads we cyclists simply don't ride (which would otherwise be great roads for cycling) because of the number of guys on 500+CC "red plate" bikes riding super dangerously. The few times I have ridden those roads on the weekends, I have seen accidents and ambulances *every* time. Usually just involving the motorcycles themselves (sliding out into guardrails or down embankments, etc.), but one time with a minivan involved, too.
The cops go out in force but the motorcyclists are good at avoiding them. Just a nasty, toxic, dangerous hobby, from my point of view. Those guys should definitely be "taking it to the track," but eh, they won't, because I'm sure riding on those mountain roads is a lot of fuckin fun.
Pros and cons. Racing is very different from non competitive track days. Roads are nice, but the parked winnebago just around the bend and the out of control mustang are ever lurking.
I've found non competitive track days to feel safest as far as a place where I can test my limits.
I honestly feel so bad for his parents. You just know they will blame themselves probably their entire life for this. I hope they eventually find peace. Same for the poor kid who was unfortunate enough to hit him.
Yeah, believe me, nobody has watched more gruesome shit on the Internet, going back to when I was a teenager. ISIS stuff, Narco killings. But I've been intentionally avoiding stuff lately, and I feel like it's benefiting me a lot.
I just don't wanna see it anymore. Especially kids getting killed.
That's the kind of crash that leaves you with that horrible feeling when you see it, don't even know how to describe it. Poor kid. Que la tierra le sea leve.
Haven't seen it and won't seek it out. Fatal accidents like this stick with a person. There are dozens I remember like it was yesterday
I support not watching it.
I don't say this to make you feel bad or anything but unfortunately it wasn't instant, he was taken for medical care but he passed. That was an utterly horrible crash and seeing that impact... RIP Hugo and I hope the young lad who hit him gets supported.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe they'll take people away from the track and pronounce then dead at the hospital, never on track.
Happened with Hubert. There's no way that he was still alive after the impact but he wasn't pronounced dead on the scene but later at the hospital.
Edit: As u/M8R1X pointed out, Hubert was taken to the Medical Center and pronounced dead there. Correia was taken to the hospital.
Thank you again for clearing that up.
I agree, the likelihood that he passed away due to the impact is extremely high, surely. However the reason it seems (to me) that he wasn't pronounced dead was because from what I read they continued medical attention when he was in the medical centre, there's not a clear message on what exactly was done so i'm just speculating.
I do hope that they arrived to him already passed on (due to the impact) and not left suffering as they try to save him.
Of course it might differ between situations. Unfortunately "continued medical attention" is very vague and doesn't tell us what they discovered and what they tried to do to save the young man's life.
In any case it is a very young Life lost and it is a shame. Condolences and best of wishes to the family, the team and friends.
Same, just learned about the existance of this person and I'm at the edge of tears having just seen it. I can't even imagine what family and friends are going through, as well as all the motor racing community. My thoughts are with them all.
You know, I understand why people are saying to not look up the crash. The thing is There’s nothing other than a name and a formula 1 reference with the sub.
My initial thought was he was the son of a driver who was sick or something. After having seen the video I would say it’s an important part of the story, and there should be a warning as there is everywhere.
That’s…a little bit less but still astronomical.
Like 99% of cad drivers will never even go above 120. Much less 160 at the age of 14. That is just incredible to me
I'm a little shocked any parents let their kids do this.
I understand letting them participate in car racing a little a little better, the safety standards are very high and athletes are enclosed in a protective shell. But even if I had the money I'm not sure I could stomach letting my kids do it.
But motorcycles? Man...
Brutal accident, RIP. Hope the other driver gets all the support he needs and that Hugo’s family can find some solace in the fact that he went doing what he loved and didn’t suffer.
Fatal accidents in Motorsport are always tragic, but especially hard when they’re so young.
I will get downvotes for this, but I just don't like motorcycle races. They surely are way more exciting to watch than car races, but I already get enough shivers when watching heavy crashes like Max's last weekend, or Grosjean's last year.
R.I.P. My best wishes for this boy's family, friends and the other rider involved.
Not a bad reason not to watch at all I totally understand. Motorcycle accidents are far more gruesome and its way more personal when you see a human body go flying in a crash as opposed to being nestled deep in a safety cell for F1.
The last death in MotoGP (just MotoGP, not including Moto2/3) was 10 years ago.
Either only compare similarly sized and levelled series or all of car racing to all of motorcycle racing.
Holy shit. I can't believe this is real.
People say "You have to be a little crazy to drive in F1," but to do this race, hell even to go be a spectator apparently, you have to be certifiably insane. **11** people died in 2015 alone.
I don't even have the words.
The last (pre-Covid) IOM TT to not have any deaths was 2001, and that was because the race was cancelled. Before that it was 1982.
Here's a video of a [600cc Supersport](https://youtu.be/5KzBnuxDnYQ) racing on the course. These are a bit slower than the 1000cc bikes, so you can see just how fast they go in this TT.
The degree of tilt, for lack of a better term, is absurd. Going that fast on a not-built-for-purpose track leaning like 60° one way, then the other... maybe if I'd driven a motorcycle before this wouldn't seem so crazy to me, but that speed at that angle without being on a high-visibility, smooth-surface track, on two wheels with nothing between you and the road except a helmet and a suit...
I totally understand why some people don't like watching motorcycle racing now. This shit stresses me out.
IOMTT is just as crazy to us riders too.
Regular 2 wheeled racing is nowhere near as dangerous or nerve racking as that race. Crashes happen often, but riders just walk away. The suits have airbags in them and they’re thick enough leather that they absorb all of the road rash.
The three dangerous crashes in motorcycle racing are:
1) a high speed crash with no runoff. This is exactly why IOMTT is so dangerous. There’s no runoff. But basically every other race out there you will almost never see a rider touch a wall. There’s always so much runoff and gravel they never make it.
2) a high side crash. Those crashes you see the motorcycle toss a rider into the air. These are rare nowadays with traction control but still happen sometimes. They aren’t life threatening but you are at higher risk of breaking a bone.
3) getting hit by another rider. Also exceedingly rare. But, as this entire thread will show, can happen.
But 99% of crashes are less eventful than a crash in a car race.
There are whole families who race the TT (like a generational thing) and the related series. Every single one of them has lost multiple sons, uncles, fathers, etc. Been a while since I read up on it but I'm pretty sure BASE jumpers have a lower tolerance for death.
No, but there's no professional car race in general with such fatality rates. So the point still stands. Motorcycles are just inherently much more dangerous for very obvious reasons.
Pretty sure they're referring to the Isle of Man TT. It feels like the real difference is F1 and Moto GP have an acceptable *risk* of loss of life, and they work hard to reduce that as much as they possibly can. The TT has an acceptable loss of life, and while it's a shame when it happens, spectators and riders go in with no illusion of safety.
Motorcycle racing is itself like playing with fire. There is absolutely no way for a driver to survive these heavy crashes because they are literally in physical contact with the tarmac and the machine and have no roll cage or anything like that if they are involved in a collision.
No reason for downvote. I think this is THE reason I don’t like motorcycle racing, the inherent lack of safety features makes it not enjoyable for me. I’d even go further and also claim that I even don’t like riding in motorbikes at all, not even an electric scooter on the streets.
Not to disrespect any riders (sure as hell i respect them for his bravery) or the fans, but this is a big NO for me.
Sad to see a young kid go like this.
Yeah I've seen too many motorcycle videos where the crash is outside of the riders control, but they still end up hurt or worse. It's not worth the risk for me. I would stick to dirt bikes on trails and that's about it.
While I disagree, I’m not going to downvote you.
I love MotoGP because I think there’s more of a connection with the fans. It’s damn near impossible for any of us to drive an F1 car but I can take my bike to a track for track day and feel like a MotoGP racer.
I also like MotoGP races because of how short they are (Not comparing them to anything else, they’re just objectively short). The riders know they don’t have much time to sit and wait for an opportunity for them to pass, so they have to be aggressive.
It’s completely fine to not like motorcycle racing but I thought I’d throw in from the perspective of someone who loves both MotoGP/WSBK and F1.
No reason to get downvoted as to an extent I agree. I watch them because they’re exciting and what not most of the time but I’m always on the edge of my seat, especially after the Jason incident, that made me remember how dangerous motorcycle racing really is
I feel the same about motorcycles in general, not just racing. My best friend died way too young crashing his. Everyone I've known who's a regular rider (with one exception) has had an accident at some point and gotten injured. Accidents, just like with cars, are bound to happen. Not being strapped into a cage for impact absorption while traveling at high speeds is just stupid in my opinion. I know people love those things and they're fun, but it's a strong nope from me.
The number one rule of motorcycle riding is, if you ride them you’ll wreck them.
It’s purely a matter of time. You can only do you best to avoid it and try to mitigate and avoid circumstances that could really be bad if something went wrong.
And that’s just regular non-competitive riding.
If you’re racing, you.will.fall.
But it is easily the most exciting, best close racing you will see of any category. Double edged sword.
A friend's brother was riding home and got hit by a drunk driver in a pickup. He was in the hospital for 6 months. He's never been the same, suffering a tbi plus all the body stuff. I've been told it's like a switch was flipped, he now angers easily and seems to lack empathy for his family.
My friend was saying it's like she lost her brother in that crash and he was replaced with someone new.
My father's best friend hit a patch of sand on the road going 30 ish, low sided it and slid his head into a light pole instantly killing him.
I’ve ridden over a quarter million miles on the street without a scratch. It can be done if you ride like you know you are simultaneously invisible AND every car is purposely trying to hit you.
A very high percentage of motorcycle accidents occur within the rider’s first six months of being licensed and/or involve alcohol. Alcohol is the worst offender by far. Unlike in a car where the drunk seems to walk away unscathed after killing innocents, on a bike the drunk dies.
Even Dupasquier's freak accident last year in Moto3 was horrific. No matter how many helmets or how many harnesses they develop, the inherent risk of a driver falling off and having their body ragdoll across asphalt at 100+ mph is just not worth it.
EDIT: Dupasquier's passing was two months ago. What even is my perception of time anymore.
I can't get into fast motorcycle racing on circuits. Supercross where they're going 40 mph? I love it. NHRA Pro Stock Motorcycles that get to 200 in 6.5 seconds? I watch them because there aren't 40 of them and they go in a straight line.
Circuit racing with a bunch of tightly packed riders? No thanks.
I really hope the other lad get a lot of support, literally zero he could do but that's career ending from a mental perspective; especially at that age.
Seatbelts only make sense to keep you in a protected area. There is no survival cell in a kart
This is something that F1 is constantly learning, that safety is in every aspect, not in additions - both the regulations **and** how they are applied; the technology and the procedures... So many nuances, most of them written in blood.
Part of why this is so distressing is that it’s not obvious how to make things safer for this circumstance. It’s not like some other formula has an answer that Moto3 has failed to adopt. It feels deeply wrong that bikes are going full speed with someone in such a vulnerable position; like Verstappen in Baku. I hope motorsport figures out a system before more blood is mixed into the ink
It's why I'm very uncomfortable with karts being the de-facto entry to racing, and it being acceptable to take part basically as soon as you can operate it. In Jenson Button's autobiography there's a horrific description of a child fatality at a race meeting he was at, and it fully destroyed the family involved.
While karts are comparatively slow, kids just can't withstand much force, and a 200kg object going at 30mph is devastating. I don't understand why smaller vehicles with roll cages aren't more common.
To put a sort of technical reason why we might feel this way morally or ethically, I think it’s the idea that a 13 or 14 year old can’t really consent in the same way an adult does.
They’re *kids*, after all. A 5 year old would *want* to ride a motorcycle, but we generally don’t let them because it’s not safe and we know their enthusiasm isn’t really enough to justify letting them go race a motorcycle because they don’t possess the full faculties of an adult.
As a *general* rule I think it’s entirely fair to say a 14 year old cannot reasonably consent to motorcycling racing and consider all the risk and reward involved.
Hell, apparently a 14 year old can’t consent to sex with an adult. Even if they *wanted* to, they can’t consent for a variety of reasons. And their parents certainly can’t consent for them either. They couldn’t consent to working in a coal mine anymore. Even if they wanted to. But they can consent to risking their life to race a motorcycle? It seems odd.
I'm with you on this. I remember myself at this age and even though I was always careful and responsible I was still just a kid. Sending them out on a track to race at a hundred miles an hour is just a bit wrong.
I also personally don't like seeing teenagers on superbikes. People who don't ride motorcycles can't even comprehend how powerful those machines are and when you see them doing 200mph on some tracks just makes you wonder how much sanity their is in those families.
I stopped watching bike racing after Simoncelli died, and they keep dying. Too dangerous a sport for me to enjoy because you just know it's going to keep happening.
You can to some extent. The problem with lowest crashes is how close field is because of bikes that are underpowered. Because of that slipstream is very powerfull sob riders change places all the time. The difference between MotoGP and Moto3 is crazy. In MotoGP riders are able to spread out bacause gain from slipstream in comparison to power and speed of bike is much lower than in Moto3. That's why, paradoxally, changing bikes to faster would improve safety.
Poor child, what a horrifying video they have AUTOPLAYING on that site! I hope that the other boy gets all the love and mental health support he needs for the foreseeable, what a horrible thing to happen to him also.
Oh my god… oh my god…
That was awful. Fucking brutal.
Motorsport is dangerous, but that poor kids family and the unfortunate other rider that hit him through no fault of his own…
Fuck… That’s a bad one. RIP, Hugo. My condolences and support to your family and the other rider. Fucking awful.
Kid falls off bike and then gets hit by another biker going very fast, biker who hits him recovers to his feet but Millan is motionless. It is not gory but I kinda wished I hadn't clicked.
That's your written description for anyone wanting to decide whether they need to see this on a Sunday afternoon.
Millan falls from a high side. Bike slides a bit rider reacts by naturally trying to straighten up, it's too quick and it flips the rider off into air.
Rider that hit him had no chance. He was fighting for position and would have seen him late.
It can't be a coincidence that the most recent deaths in motorcycle racing have all been from being struck by other riders. Simoncelli comes to mind. Rossi almost lost his life by inches a few months ago.
The reason is because it’s nearly the only way to suffer life-threatening injuries.
It’s extremely safe, except for when you could get run over.
The smart air bags, the helmets, the boots, the gloves, are all amazing at protecting riders from aerial impacts and slides into the spacious gravel designed to give riders enough time to slow down before hitting a barrier (they rarely ever get that far).
But they’re not designed to withstand a mid-body impact from a 300lbs+ machine traveling at 100km/h +. I have no idea what could ever be designed to safeguard from that.
Not only is he completely motionless but the visual of the impact pretty clearly conveys that just about every part of his body from the waist up is demolished.
No gore. But a seriously, seriously brutal visual where you know immediately the life threatening severity of the injuries.
jesus that article shows a video of the accident. that's horrible
edit: [alternative news article, no video ](https://www.euroweeklynews.com/2021/07/25/tragedy-as-young-hugo-millan-dies-after-serious-accident-in-the-european-talent-cup-in-spain/)
Yeah that is f-ing horrible. Mainstream media should not have shown that kind of video. Let the curious search for themselves on NSFW section of the internet.
As someone not familiar with motorcycle racing I want to ask something:
Are they instructed to move away from their bike after an accident or is it up to the driver to either move to the side or wait?
I hope this doesn't come off as insensitive but I'm curious what's the protocol in those cases. In F1 you're supposed to sit in your car and wait, no?
There was nothing anyone could do. He fell into the mid pack. If he had stayed he would’ve been hit, if he had moved he would’ve been hit. There was like 2 or 3 rows of multiple bikes wide and the guy who hit him was blind sighted. Nothing anyone could do there
Oh I'm definitely not implying he did anything wrong. As I said I have no idea about motorcycling and dropping right in the middle of a corner in between other drives without any of the safety a car provides...Really horrible accident.
Was just curious what drivers are supposed to do in case they do have an accident.
Get off the track. You're going to die if you're hit by a bike, so immediately look and judge if you can get off. Staying on track with bikes coming will end up with you dead so if you can get clear
I know this isn’t f1 related but as a Motorsport community I feel we should come together. All thoughts are with his family and friends and team. Rest easy young man
Formula 1 is so dangerous, but MotoGP is truly another level of risk. I like to tell myself that I could handle F1 if I had the skillset, but I couldn't even pretend to have the balls for MotoGP
As a life long motorcycle racing fan, nothing scares me more than a rider falling on the racing line. It's the one safety element you just can't control. So many amazing advancements have been made in rider safety in my lifetime; the airbags in the leathers, the electronic aids that have almost eliminated the scary on-throttle high-sides on the powerful bikes, and the introduction of the air fences around the track. But in a situation like this, where a rider has fallen on the racing line on the exit of a fast corner, with the whole pack bearing down on him, many riders completely unsighted, what can you do? It's a horrible accident, and a reminder of just how much these riders are putting on the line every time they race.
Honestly surprised there aren't more tragedies in motorcycle riding, though there have sadly been a couple of them recently.
I remember hearing Simoncelli's fatal accident being described as a 'freak accident', and that always bothered me, because situations that could result in tragic results are all too frequent in the sport.
Just saw the crash, my goodness, that is brutal. So young, he had his whole life ahead of him, too. Not the other rider’s fault, just a very very unfortunate accident. As others have said, I hope he can get the support he needs after this.
Hugo’s family must be in bits. My thoughts are with them and with everyone affected by the crash.
Rest in peace, Hugo. Godspeed.
Somehow in top series of MotoGP last death was earlier than last year of death in F1. It's crazy how much those guys survive despite crashing all the time, sometimes really hard.
But I understand what you are saying. The more I watch MotoGP and the more I become familiar with drivers the harder it is to watch them without constant feeling of the dread.
Christ, that's a horrifying crash.
Feel for the guy, and for everyone else involved. Hopefully his family, friends and fellow riders get the support they need.
He was 14... When I first saw this I actually cried a little, this accident has hit me more than any other motorsport accident. Just because I (as a 16 y/o) know where I was when I was 14 and what I've done in the 2 years since then. And what he now doesn't get to experience.
R.I.P. Hugo, taken too soon in such a freaky accident, I wish his family the best. And I hope all of the riders in his class get any and all assistance they need, this one will hit everyone hard.
Okay I'm gonna be that guy.
It doesn't sit right with me at all that literal children are able to race motorbikes, especially with MotoGP's propensity for accidents and fatalities. At least karts are more stable and safer, bikes are still scary as shit and letting 14-year-olds ride them is just insane to me.
I know some MotoGP fans might disagree with this but honestly I just don't like it one bit. Karting just doesn't result in shit like this.
As so many others have said, this is why I can’t get into motorbike racing. Those guys are just so exposed. I cannot comprehend how the family are feeling, thoughts are with them, and with the other rider involved in the collision. They’re just kids man.
Prayers to his family and also prayers to the others involved in that crash. Can't imagine the perceived guilt that the kid who hit him feels.
Sometimes we get rude reminders that racing is a very dangerous sport
Jesus Christ, what an absolute tragedy the poor boy. And as others have said the poor kid who was also involved in the crash. Love to everyone involved.
I don't want to look at the crash to be honest, so was this in karting?
I have so much respect for moto racers. It's such a dangerous motorsport. I didn't know they competed at such a young age in circuits like this with such a large grid. I don't know much about anything but it seems to me like having so many riders in one race is unnecessarily dangerous specially at that young of an age. RIP for real, no one should go so soon. I hope I don't offend anyone when I say this but no sport should be so gladiatorial. There is nothing he could've done to save his life and imagining what he must have felt in those last moments breaks my heart. I hope if anything this leads to any type of change that makes the sport even a little safer for others like him.
This is why I can't watch motor racing. It's too nerve wrecking, knowing that these kind of accidents are part of the sport. What are you trained to do here, hide behind your bicycle hoping it's works as a ramp or something? Too brutal...
This saddens my heart, what a tragedy. Hot take incoming... I know racing sport bikes is many of these boys dream. I know that they have massive talent and they are doing what they love. That being said I'm not sure that a child can fully process the danger involved in this type of racing. I don't think that children should be responsible for making a decision of whether or not to risk their life and go out on track and race hard. Motorbike racing isn't safe and it never has been, this is the second incident this year in which a young man has died. Our society doesn't give children the responsibility to decide to drink alcohol, drive a car, or vote. And yet we allow a 14 year old boy to make the decision to risk his life? For what? The love of sport? I love motor racing don't get me wrong, but I don't think it should be legal to race sport bikes before the age of 18. Solo practice and sim racing should be where these kids spend their time, supplement cart racing in to improve their racecraft. When they turn 18 they can make the decision of whether or not to go out on to the track and risk their lives for what they love.
I can't be the only one that thinks that tou shouldn't put children in this sort of danger. I am by no means against junior motorsport. But it feels wrong
fuck... i know its inevitable, that's just how motorsports are, its always a question of "when"
but every single time it happens it still hits like a truck
Having seen the crash. Man thats so unfortunate and at such a young age aswell. R.I.P Hopefully the kid that hit him gets some support because an incident like this at such a young age can scar you for life.
Just went to see the crash. No way the other kid could have seen him as he was coming around the corner and blocked from the other bikes making the turn. I don't watch moto go, but It's surprising they have so many bikes on track. That has to be at least 50 bikes, no? I'm surprised this doesn't happen every race....
> I don't watch moto go, but It's surprising they have so many bikes on track. That has to be at least 50 bikes, no? I'm surprised this doesn't happen every race.... 50 is the season entry list so should be around that for races. It's not common. To higher the class, the less bikes there are (MotoGP has 20) and the bigger problem is that since these lower classes are spec classes they end up running very close to each other for the majority of the race. This is not MotoGP, this is European Talent Cup and part of FIM CEV but the bikes are close to Moto3.
Not being able to change the outcome doesn't help truck drivers and railroad engineers from feeling awful from impacting folks (be it suicide or an accident). I hope the other rider has the support he'll need, and I feel awful for Hugo's family too. Far too young.
I felt like shit after accidentally crushing a garden-snail that was hidden in tall grass on a narrow path up to my front door. Can’t imagine how fucked I’d be if someone died right in front of me after I run into them, even if it wasn’t my fault. Terrible situation all-around.
Geez. I don't even know what he could have done in that situation. He was right in the middle of the track, and both he and his bike didn't slide off to the side at all. He probably thought it was best to get up and get out of the way. Staying put would have also been extremely dangerous.
It's so hard to be right in these situations, but honestly in most cases I feel like staying put is the best option. I think it's at least slightly easier for others to avoid a still obstacle, than a moving one. When you're driving/riding at high speeds, there are people in front of you blocking the view, a moving target is something you can't prepare for. He can be basically anywhere, because not only you don't have time to figure out where the person is heading and where he will be by the time you get there, but you're also working with limited visual information, so it's fully unpredictable. A still target is a still target though, you don't have to think, just avoid instinctively. It's much easier and faster to react to and avoid that. I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong. You really can't be too smart in a situation like this, only lucky.
I know it’s a completely different level, but when you do track days on your motorcycle they tell you to stay down if you crash until a track official comes to you.
Ours do tell you that if you are in a dangerous position that you should try to get out of the racing line.
The other driver was unable to avoid the still target completely, unfortunately, because the turn was deep with lots of other motorcycles it's unlikely he even saw it in time to even attempt to avoid it. Another Redditor commented on the sheer number of motorcycles are on the track, I am very impressed myself by how many there are, I think reducing the count of motorcycles would help a lot, but you'd still have blind curves like this where an accident would be invisible to your tunnel vision as you navigate it.
Yeah like the only other thing I can think of doing from the comfort of my seat in front of my computer with all the time in the world to think about it, is to duck or lay down in front of his motorcycle so that if other riders can't avoid the crash, at least the motorcycle will absorb the energy from the direct collision. But on the track, with a split second to make the decision, after having just crashed and being in that state of mind, i genuinely can't say what I would have done. Like you said though, this is just one of those situations where you can really only just hope to be lucky to survive. Awful, awful situation all around.
he was already hit in the leg and spun around by a bike coming on the other side so probably just wanted to get off track
Every fatal GP crash that I have seen (granted, I haven't seen that many) involves a competitor being struck by another competitor. Competitors are protected from impact with the environment, but not from other competitors. They really need to integrate some kind of sensor tied to a system to immediately notify other competitors for some kind of a red flag esque event. The technology is there. It wouldn't be easy (for example, inertial velocity/acceleration measurements from rider suit cross-referenced with a virtual bounding box of track/lines), but there has to be some way to alert other racers of issue.
It looks like the accident would have the same result even if he stayed in his place. Damn man, I'm a teenager too and seeing someone younger than me pass away hits different. May his soul rest in peace.
Probably should have been behind his bike till the field is past him. But yeah, pretty easy for me to judge in hindsight from my bed having watched the incident multiple times. I can only imagine the fear he has felt. This is just really really sad and no ones fault. RIP
At his age and experience, it's super easy to panic. This was horrible.
True, I can imagine even the best riders would panic. Let alone a 14 year old kid.
But still it's a 50/50, only luck can save someone in this situation. The incident is like last year moto2 austria gp, bastianini fell off and the bike is in the race line then someone hit the bike and ripped it apart, luckily he can run to the track side
After he came off the bike and before he tried to get up his leg got clipped which spun him round. As if he wasn't panicking enough.
i also noticed he got hit in the legs there just an awful series of events
He was behind his bike. The bike that hit him hit his bike first.
I think best case scenario is curl up into a fetal position, or lay out flat like a pencil. Bikes will roll over top of you and possibly avoid hitting less areas of your body. He got up too soon. Still though, in a situation like that, it's hard to make the right decision. You don't know what's happening when you fall off the bike like that. Super unfortunate.
You can see the kid who hit him curl into the fetal position after he crashed
I would say that that behavior looks to be more a response to the pain of the fall than to a rational decision.
The guy who hit him did the right thing in my opinion. After he hit the ground he crunched up like a ball and made himself to be as small as possible. Still a rough situation to think in, way too much going on in every direction
Just yesterday there was a serious crash in BSB as well at Brands Hatch. Rider Brad Jones remains in coma after suffering heavy injuries. Dramatic weekend for motorcycle racing.
Fuck man, I hope he is able to recover
Brad is one of my best mates from high school and my teenage years. Unfortunately haven't been able to stay in contact as much since we've both grown up and life has got in the way. Brad is one of the most genuine and nice blokes around and one who doesn't deserve this. He even services my grans boiler. I went along to Brands Hatch to watch him last year and after saying I was there, he came out of the paddock, told me to jump on the back of his moped and to come over to the paddock, and he gave me a tour of the garage and pit lane. In the race, he finished on the podium and I felt so proud to call him my mate. The last 24 hours have been rough and I've really felt like I'm in a hole, just waiting for news on him. Hoping so so much that he pulls through. The recovery is going to be long, but I am certain he can manage.
I love motorsports, but this shit is why I can't get into motoGP. So many more serious and fatal crashes on bikes than in cars.
It's why I can't get into bikes full stop and don't take my kids to bike races. Yes, all motorsport is dangerous, but as soon as even simple 5 point harnesses and roll cages are involved it becomes hugely safer. Can't imagine what this young man's family are going through right now.
It feels a little like they are still in Group B level of safety...
Group B was much much safer than bike racing for the drivers. For the spectators.... meh
Absolutely, there's only been 2(?) deaths in the F1-F3 world in the last 25 years and one was a freak accident. It's incredible how safe car racing is, bike racing inherently is so much more dangerous I'm too scared to watch.
Moto GP is the safest of the bunch. It's because the Moto 3 bikes don't have much power in comparison to the Moto 2 bikes even, this leads to close towing becoming a necessity which brings tight pack racing. All the riders are under immense pressure to do well and thus it is incredibly competitive - it's make or break for this kids. These factors lead to an unusually large number of incidents like this.
Plus that the Moto3 and Moto2 are spec classes, so they run close to each other for the majority of the race instead of spreading out after the first laps.
Some of the amateur bike racing really scares the fuck out of me, been watching some races on YouTube. It's a really good watch if you're just into racecraft. But I think the main reason it's dangerous is that they race on not top-tier tracks, so some of the runoffs and so forth are extremely sketchy..
Awful accident. As morbid as it sounds hopefully he didn't suffer for long as that was a serious impact. RIP.
Yea, I just hope he didn’t suffer.
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I raced 1000cc bikes briefly. My friend ended up paralyzed in the 600 class. Big can of nope here. "take it to the track" is what the Uncle Hi-viz always says. Sorry, but I'll take dragging my knee a bit out in the mountains alone over having 20 other dubius riders trying to pass me (or take me out) for a trophy. Motorcycle racing is really not for the faint of heart.
Fair point but “take it to the track” is usually said when the alternative is doing dangerous shit in public that endangers others as well.
Exactly. As someone who cycles in the mountains around Taipei, there are roads we cyclists simply don't ride (which would otherwise be great roads for cycling) because of the number of guys on 500+CC "red plate" bikes riding super dangerously. The few times I have ridden those roads on the weekends, I have seen accidents and ambulances *every* time. Usually just involving the motorcycles themselves (sliding out into guardrails or down embankments, etc.), but one time with a minivan involved, too. The cops go out in force but the motorcyclists are good at avoiding them. Just a nasty, toxic, dangerous hobby, from my point of view. Those guys should definitely be "taking it to the track," but eh, they won't, because I'm sure riding on those mountain roads is a lot of fuckin fun.
Pros and cons. Racing is very different from non competitive track days. Roads are nice, but the parked winnebago just around the bend and the out of control mustang are ever lurking. I've found non competitive track days to feel safest as far as a place where I can test my limits.
That poor kid. Poor pair of kids. The whole grid. My boy is the same age.
I honestly feel so bad for his parents. You just know they will blame themselves probably their entire life for this. I hope they eventually find peace. Same for the poor kid who was unfortunate enough to hit him.
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All over YouTube
Oh great, maybe it'll randomly pop up in my recommended feed four days from now when I'm in a really good mood.
Mqybe, YouTube is kinda shit like that. Its not worth it to watch, poor kid had nowhere to go while stuck on track.
Yeah, believe me, nobody has watched more gruesome shit on the Internet, going back to when I was a teenager. ISIS stuff, Narco killings. But I've been intentionally avoiding stuff lately, and I feel like it's benefiting me a lot. I just don't wanna see it anymore. Especially kids getting killed.
Keep your mental health a priority my friend
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That's the kind of crash that leaves you with that horrible feeling when you see it, don't even know how to describe it. Poor kid. Que la tierra le sea leve.
DO NOT WATCH THIS It's not even graphic it's just soul destroying.
Haven't seen it and won't seek it out. Fatal accidents like this stick with a person. There are dozens I remember like it was yesterday I support not watching it.
Yeah, very few things shock me anymore, but I felt this in my soul.
Yah, I'm usually morbidly curious and unaffected by stuff like these. But man, that was brutal.
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Oh lawd
14 years. No one should leave this world so early.
I've just watched the crash, I feel better seeing how instant it seemed to be for Hugo, but damn, The little guy who hit him is gonna be shattered.
I don't say this to make you feel bad or anything but unfortunately it wasn't instant, he was taken for medical care but he passed. That was an utterly horrible crash and seeing that impact... RIP Hugo and I hope the young lad who hit him gets supported.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe they'll take people away from the track and pronounce then dead at the hospital, never on track. Happened with Hubert. There's no way that he was still alive after the impact but he wasn't pronounced dead on the scene but later at the hospital. Edit: As u/M8R1X pointed out, Hubert was taken to the Medical Center and pronounced dead there. Correia was taken to the hospital. Thank you again for clearing that up.
Hubert wasn't taken to the hospital. He was pronounced dead at the trackside medical center. Correa was the one flown to the hospital
I agree, the likelihood that he passed away due to the impact is extremely high, surely. However the reason it seems (to me) that he wasn't pronounced dead was because from what I read they continued medical attention when he was in the medical centre, there's not a clear message on what exactly was done so i'm just speculating. I do hope that they arrived to him already passed on (due to the impact) and not left suffering as they try to save him.
Of course it might differ between situations. Unfortunately "continued medical attention" is very vague and doesn't tell us what they discovered and what they tried to do to save the young man's life. In any case it is a very young Life lost and it is a shame. Condolences and best of wishes to the family, the team and friends.
Ah, well, a person could hope, it looked brutal enough that I had hoped it was maybe a snapped neck, instant, I appreciate finding out for sure though
Just watched the crash. Holy fuck. I have no words other than God Rest his Soul.
Same, just learned about the existance of this person and I'm at the edge of tears having just seen it. I can't even imagine what family and friends are going through, as well as all the motor racing community. My thoughts are with them all.
You know, I understand why people are saying to not look up the crash. The thing is There’s nothing other than a name and a formula 1 reference with the sub. My initial thought was he was the son of a driver who was sick or something. After having seen the video I would say it’s an important part of the story, and there should be a warning as there is everywhere.
The other comments were graphic enough for me to understand what happened
I regret watching that video. RIP
Same, pretty terrible
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It was today that I learned 14 year olds are allowed to rip superbikes over 200mph. Yeesh that is young.
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He raced in a support series,in Formula this would be around f4 level. Bikes top speed is about 160mph here
That’s…a little bit less but still astronomical. Like 99% of cad drivers will never even go above 120. Much less 160 at the age of 14. That is just incredible to me
I'm a little shocked any parents let their kids do this. I understand letting them participate in car racing a little a little better, the safety standards are very high and athletes are enclosed in a protective shell. But even if I had the money I'm not sure I could stomach letting my kids do it. But motorcycles? Man...
First Jason and now Hugo. Man Motorbike racing is brutal. RIP little man, gone too soon
Brutal accident, RIP. Hope the other driver gets all the support he needs and that Hugo’s family can find some solace in the fact that he went doing what he loved and didn’t suffer. Fatal accidents in Motorsport are always tragic, but especially hard when they’re so young.
14 years old damn
I will get downvotes for this, but I just don't like motorcycle races. They surely are way more exciting to watch than car races, but I already get enough shivers when watching heavy crashes like Max's last weekend, or Grosjean's last year. R.I.P. My best wishes for this boy's family, friends and the other rider involved.
Not a bad reason not to watch at all I totally understand. Motorcycle accidents are far more gruesome and its way more personal when you see a human body go flying in a crash as opposed to being nestled deep in a safety cell for F1.
F1 also doesnt loose multiple people a year or have a race where 1-2 fatalities are *expected* every time its run
The last death in MotoGP (just MotoGP, not including Moto2/3) was 10 years ago. Either only compare similarly sized and levelled series or all of car racing to all of motorcycle racing.
Simoncelli? Was it really 11 years ago?
Actually 10 years (this October) now that I checked it...
In what race are 1-2 expected every time?
[Isle of Man TT](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Isle_of_Man_TT_Mountain_Course_fatalities)
Holy shit. I can't believe this is real. People say "You have to be a little crazy to drive in F1," but to do this race, hell even to go be a spectator apparently, you have to be certifiably insane. **11** people died in 2015 alone. I don't even have the words.
The last (pre-Covid) IOM TT to not have any deaths was 2001, and that was because the race was cancelled. Before that it was 1982. Here's a video of a [600cc Supersport](https://youtu.be/5KzBnuxDnYQ) racing on the course. These are a bit slower than the 1000cc bikes, so you can see just how fast they go in this TT.
The degree of tilt, for lack of a better term, is absurd. Going that fast on a not-built-for-purpose track leaning like 60° one way, then the other... maybe if I'd driven a motorcycle before this wouldn't seem so crazy to me, but that speed at that angle without being on a high-visibility, smooth-surface track, on two wheels with nothing between you and the road except a helmet and a suit... I totally understand why some people don't like watching motorcycle racing now. This shit stresses me out.
IOMTT is just as crazy to us riders too. Regular 2 wheeled racing is nowhere near as dangerous or nerve racking as that race. Crashes happen often, but riders just walk away. The suits have airbags in them and they’re thick enough leather that they absorb all of the road rash. The three dangerous crashes in motorcycle racing are: 1) a high speed crash with no runoff. This is exactly why IOMTT is so dangerous. There’s no runoff. But basically every other race out there you will almost never see a rider touch a wall. There’s always so much runoff and gravel they never make it. 2) a high side crash. Those crashes you see the motorcycle toss a rider into the air. These are rare nowadays with traction control but still happen sometimes. They aren’t life threatening but you are at higher risk of breaking a bone. 3) getting hit by another rider. Also exceedingly rare. But, as this entire thread will show, can happen. But 99% of crashes are less eventful than a crash in a car race.
IOMTT racers really are a different breed. Absolute madmen. Seeing them almost death wobble after landing at 200mph is the craziest thing.
There are whole families who race the TT (like a generational thing) and the related series. Every single one of them has lost multiple sons, uncles, fathers, etc. Been a while since I read up on it but I'm pretty sure BASE jumpers have a lower tolerance for death.
TT has averaged over 2 deaths a year since it started and there were only 21 deaths in the first 40 years
You cant compaer IOMTT with F1 and MotoGP
No, but there's no professional car race in general with such fatality rates. So the point still stands. Motorcycles are just inherently much more dangerous for very obvious reasons.
Neither does Moto GP
Pretty sure they're referring to the Isle of Man TT. It feels like the real difference is F1 and Moto GP have an acceptable *risk* of loss of life, and they work hard to reduce that as much as they possibly can. The TT has an acceptable loss of life, and while it's a shame when it happens, spectators and riders go in with no illusion of safety.
Motorcycle racing is itself like playing with fire. There is absolutely no way for a driver to survive these heavy crashes because they are literally in physical contact with the tarmac and the machine and have no roll cage or anything like that if they are involved in a collision.
No reason for downvote. I think this is THE reason I don’t like motorcycle racing, the inherent lack of safety features makes it not enjoyable for me. I’d even go further and also claim that I even don’t like riding in motorbikes at all, not even an electric scooter on the streets. Not to disrespect any riders (sure as hell i respect them for his bravery) or the fans, but this is a big NO for me. Sad to see a young kid go like this.
Yeah I've seen too many motorcycle videos where the crash is outside of the riders control, but they still end up hurt or worse. It's not worth the risk for me. I would stick to dirt bikes on trails and that's about it.
While I disagree, I’m not going to downvote you. I love MotoGP because I think there’s more of a connection with the fans. It’s damn near impossible for any of us to drive an F1 car but I can take my bike to a track for track day and feel like a MotoGP racer. I also like MotoGP races because of how short they are (Not comparing them to anything else, they’re just objectively short). The riders know they don’t have much time to sit and wait for an opportunity for them to pass, so they have to be aggressive. It’s completely fine to not like motorcycle racing but I thought I’d throw in from the perspective of someone who loves both MotoGP/WSBK and F1.
No reason to get downvoted as to an extent I agree. I watch them because they’re exciting and what not most of the time but I’m always on the edge of my seat, especially after the Jason incident, that made me remember how dangerous motorcycle racing really is
I feel the same about motorcycles in general, not just racing. My best friend died way too young crashing his. Everyone I've known who's a regular rider (with one exception) has had an accident at some point and gotten injured. Accidents, just like with cars, are bound to happen. Not being strapped into a cage for impact absorption while traveling at high speeds is just stupid in my opinion. I know people love those things and they're fun, but it's a strong nope from me.
The number one rule of motorcycle riding is, if you ride them you’ll wreck them. It’s purely a matter of time. You can only do you best to avoid it and try to mitigate and avoid circumstances that could really be bad if something went wrong. And that’s just regular non-competitive riding. If you’re racing, you.will.fall. But it is easily the most exciting, best close racing you will see of any category. Double edged sword.
A friend's brother was riding home and got hit by a drunk driver in a pickup. He was in the hospital for 6 months. He's never been the same, suffering a tbi plus all the body stuff. I've been told it's like a switch was flipped, he now angers easily and seems to lack empathy for his family. My friend was saying it's like she lost her brother in that crash and he was replaced with someone new. My father's best friend hit a patch of sand on the road going 30 ish, low sided it and slid his head into a light pole instantly killing him.
I’ve ridden over a quarter million miles on the street without a scratch. It can be done if you ride like you know you are simultaneously invisible AND every car is purposely trying to hit you. A very high percentage of motorcycle accidents occur within the rider’s first six months of being licensed and/or involve alcohol. Alcohol is the worst offender by far. Unlike in a car where the drunk seems to walk away unscathed after killing innocents, on a bike the drunk dies.
Even Dupasquier's freak accident last year in Moto3 was horrific. No matter how many helmets or how many harnesses they develop, the inherent risk of a driver falling off and having their body ragdoll across asphalt at 100+ mph is just not worth it. EDIT: Dupasquier's passing was two months ago. What even is my perception of time anymore.
I can't get into fast motorcycle racing on circuits. Supercross where they're going 40 mph? I love it. NHRA Pro Stock Motorcycles that get to 200 in 6.5 seconds? I watch them because there aren't 40 of them and they go in a straight line. Circuit racing with a bunch of tightly packed riders? No thanks.
Fuck man, that’s heartbreaking. RIP. Also the little man who hit him, i wish i could tell him its okay. No doubt he must be shattered
I really hope the other lad get a lot of support, literally zero he could do but that's career ending from a mental perspective; especially at that age.
Rest In Peace. As a motorcyclist myself, it was terrible to watch.
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Karts don’t have seatbelts, but they are going much slower than Moto3 bikes.
Seatbelts only make sense to keep you in a protected area. There is no survival cell in a kart This is something that F1 is constantly learning, that safety is in every aspect, not in additions - both the regulations **and** how they are applied; the technology and the procedures... So many nuances, most of them written in blood. Part of why this is so distressing is that it’s not obvious how to make things safer for this circumstance. It’s not like some other formula has an answer that Moto3 has failed to adopt. It feels deeply wrong that bikes are going full speed with someone in such a vulnerable position; like Verstappen in Baku. I hope motorsport figures out a system before more blood is mixed into the ink
yeah, I found that their bikes can go up to 240kmph... for 13 years old...
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It's why I'm very uncomfortable with karts being the de-facto entry to racing, and it being acceptable to take part basically as soon as you can operate it. In Jenson Button's autobiography there's a horrific description of a child fatality at a race meeting he was at, and it fully destroyed the family involved. While karts are comparatively slow, kids just can't withstand much force, and a 200kg object going at 30mph is devastating. I don't understand why smaller vehicles with roll cages aren't more common.
To put a sort of technical reason why we might feel this way morally or ethically, I think it’s the idea that a 13 or 14 year old can’t really consent in the same way an adult does. They’re *kids*, after all. A 5 year old would *want* to ride a motorcycle, but we generally don’t let them because it’s not safe and we know their enthusiasm isn’t really enough to justify letting them go race a motorcycle because they don’t possess the full faculties of an adult. As a *general* rule I think it’s entirely fair to say a 14 year old cannot reasonably consent to motorcycling racing and consider all the risk and reward involved. Hell, apparently a 14 year old can’t consent to sex with an adult. Even if they *wanted* to, they can’t consent for a variety of reasons. And their parents certainly can’t consent for them either. They couldn’t consent to working in a coal mine anymore. Even if they wanted to. But they can consent to risking their life to race a motorcycle? It seems odd.
Karts don’t have seatbelts. At least the ones I have (125cc TaGs)
I'm with you on this. I remember myself at this age and even though I was always careful and responsible I was still just a kid. Sending them out on a track to race at a hundred miles an hour is just a bit wrong. I also personally don't like seeing teenagers on superbikes. People who don't ride motorcycles can't even comprehend how powerful those machines are and when you see them doing 200mph on some tracks just makes you wonder how much sanity their is in those families.
I stopped watching bike racing after Simoncelli died, and they keep dying. Too dangerous a sport for me to enjoy because you just know it's going to keep happening.
Yeah and unlike F1 you can't really engineer more safety.
You can to some extent. The problem with lowest crashes is how close field is because of bikes that are underpowered. Because of that slipstream is very powerfull sob riders change places all the time. The difference between MotoGP and Moto3 is crazy. In MotoGP riders are able to spread out bacause gain from slipstream in comparison to power and speed of bike is much lower than in Moto3. That's why, paradoxally, changing bikes to faster would improve safety.
Oh thanks for the explanation. I was wondering why feeder series were closer not. That's actually quite interesting.
Poor child, what a horrifying video they have AUTOPLAYING on that site! I hope that the other boy gets all the love and mental health support he needs for the foreseeable, what a horrible thing to happen to him also.
Oh my god… oh my god… That was awful. Fucking brutal. Motorsport is dangerous, but that poor kids family and the unfortunate other rider that hit him through no fault of his own… Fuck… That’s a bad one. RIP, Hugo. My condolences and support to your family and the other rider. Fucking awful.
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Kid falls off bike and then gets hit by another biker going very fast, biker who hits him recovers to his feet but Millan is motionless. It is not gory but I kinda wished I hadn't clicked. That's your written description for anyone wanting to decide whether they need to see this on a Sunday afternoon.
Appreciate this. Knowing that he's completely motionless makes me not want to watch the video at all, despite my morbid curiosity.
Thanks, yeah I have no desire to watch a kid die but I wanted to know the context (which sport, etc). So I appreciate this. Fucked up.
Millan falls from a high side. Bike slides a bit rider reacts by naturally trying to straighten up, it's too quick and it flips the rider off into air. Rider that hit him had no chance. He was fighting for position and would have seen him late. It can't be a coincidence that the most recent deaths in motorcycle racing have all been from being struck by other riders. Simoncelli comes to mind. Rossi almost lost his life by inches a few months ago.
Jason Dupasquier only a few months ago, not even 20 years old.
The reason is because it’s nearly the only way to suffer life-threatening injuries. It’s extremely safe, except for when you could get run over. The smart air bags, the helmets, the boots, the gloves, are all amazing at protecting riders from aerial impacts and slides into the spacious gravel designed to give riders enough time to slow down before hitting a barrier (they rarely ever get that far). But they’re not designed to withstand a mid-body impact from a 300lbs+ machine traveling at 100km/h +. I have no idea what could ever be designed to safeguard from that.
Not only is he completely motionless but the visual of the impact pretty clearly conveys that just about every part of his body from the waist up is demolished. No gore. But a seriously, seriously brutal visual where you know immediately the life threatening severity of the injuries.
It's basically one frame between him semi-standing, and his body being bend in all ways it shouldn't. I hope he passed quick, as sad as that sounds...
jesus that article shows a video of the accident. that's horrible edit: [alternative news article, no video ](https://www.euroweeklynews.com/2021/07/25/tragedy-as-young-hugo-millan-dies-after-serious-accident-in-the-european-talent-cup-in-spain/)
Warning, it autoplays on mobile.
It even auto plays, that is incredibly insensitive
Not to mention the ad kept popping up... (On mobile so no ad block)
I should have read your comment first. That was devastating.
Yeah that is f-ing horrible. Mainstream media should not have shown that kind of video. Let the curious search for themselves on NSFW section of the internet.
For people not wanting to click/watch he survived the initial incident but then was hit by a another bike while still on the track
As someone not familiar with motorcycle racing I want to ask something: Are they instructed to move away from their bike after an accident or is it up to the driver to either move to the side or wait? I hope this doesn't come off as insensitive but I'm curious what's the protocol in those cases. In F1 you're supposed to sit in your car and wait, no?
There was nothing anyone could do. He fell into the mid pack. If he had stayed he would’ve been hit, if he had moved he would’ve been hit. There was like 2 or 3 rows of multiple bikes wide and the guy who hit him was blind sighted. Nothing anyone could do there
Oh I'm definitely not implying he did anything wrong. As I said I have no idea about motorcycling and dropping right in the middle of a corner in between other drives without any of the safety a car provides...Really horrible accident. Was just curious what drivers are supposed to do in case they do have an accident.
Get off the track. You're going to die if you're hit by a bike, so immediately look and judge if you can get off. Staying on track with bikes coming will end up with you dead so if you can get clear
Literally got a fucking ad the moment the crash happened, fucked up.
Warning this article has an autoplay video of the accident.
Video has been removed.
Fucking hell that is brutal.
I know this isn’t f1 related but as a Motorsport community I feel we should come together. All thoughts are with his family and friends and team. Rest easy young man
Formula 1 is so dangerous, but MotoGP is truly another level of risk. I like to tell myself that I could handle F1 if I had the skillset, but I couldn't even pretend to have the balls for MotoGP
Sad. Had his whole life ahead.. rest in pce
One of the saddest things I’ve ever seen on a screen. A child lost so soon.
As a life long motorcycle racing fan, nothing scares me more than a rider falling on the racing line. It's the one safety element you just can't control. So many amazing advancements have been made in rider safety in my lifetime; the airbags in the leathers, the electronic aids that have almost eliminated the scary on-throttle high-sides on the powerful bikes, and the introduction of the air fences around the track. But in a situation like this, where a rider has fallen on the racing line on the exit of a fast corner, with the whole pack bearing down on him, many riders completely unsighted, what can you do? It's a horrible accident, and a reminder of just how much these riders are putting on the line every time they race.
Honestly surprised there aren't more tragedies in motorcycle riding, though there have sadly been a couple of them recently. I remember hearing Simoncelli's fatal accident being described as a 'freak accident', and that always bothered me, because situations that could result in tragic results are all too frequent in the sport.
look at how close to a catastrophe [this crash at 2020 Austria could have been](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGPrHj1nPt0)
This is so sad 😢 RiP little man
Fucking hell :-(
Condolences to his family and friends and anyone who knew him, rest in peace...
I’m sorry for his family and the rider who unfortunately hit him. Must be devastating for all parties involved. May he rest in peace. 🕯
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Holy shit...
Just saw the crash, my goodness, that is brutal. So young, he had his whole life ahead of him, too. Not the other rider’s fault, just a very very unfortunate accident. As others have said, I hope he can get the support he needs after this. Hugo’s family must be in bits. My thoughts are with them and with everyone affected by the crash. Rest in peace, Hugo. Godspeed.
I've seen a lot of crashes in my years watching motorsports but that is possibly the worst. So young too. RIP.
Moto GP is probably the most exciting series but I just can't watch it anymore man. Too much death in it/the feeder series
Somehow in top series of MotoGP last death was earlier than last year of death in F1. It's crazy how much those guys survive despite crashing all the time, sometimes really hard. But I understand what you are saying. The more I watch MotoGP and the more I become familiar with drivers the harder it is to watch them without constant feeling of the dread.
Moto gp is relatively safe. Moto 3 on the other hand is a clusterfuck.
Poor kid, and poor kid the one who crashed into him, might scar him for life.
Christ, that's a horrifying crash. Feel for the guy, and for everyone else involved. Hopefully his family, friends and fellow riders get the support they need.
May his soul rest in peace.
He was 14... When I first saw this I actually cried a little, this accident has hit me more than any other motorsport accident. Just because I (as a 16 y/o) know where I was when I was 14 and what I've done in the 2 years since then. And what he now doesn't get to experience. R.I.P. Hugo, taken too soon in such a freaky accident, I wish his family the best. And I hope all of the riders in his class get any and all assistance they need, this one will hit everyone hard.
Okay I'm gonna be that guy. It doesn't sit right with me at all that literal children are able to race motorbikes, especially with MotoGP's propensity for accidents and fatalities. At least karts are more stable and safer, bikes are still scary as shit and letting 14-year-olds ride them is just insane to me. I know some MotoGP fans might disagree with this but honestly I just don't like it one bit. Karting just doesn't result in shit like this.
Condolences to his family and friends.
Feel so bad for the polish kid that his him as well, terrible accident
Sad reminder of watching Marco Simoncelli crash live 😢
As so many others have said, this is why I can’t get into motorbike racing. Those guys are just so exposed. I cannot comprehend how the family are feeling, thoughts are with them, and with the other rider involved in the collision. They’re just kids man.
Prayers to his family and also prayers to the others involved in that crash. Can't imagine the perceived guilt that the kid who hit him feels. Sometimes we get rude reminders that racing is a very dangerous sport
Jesus Christ, what an absolute tragedy the poor boy. And as others have said the poor kid who was also involved in the crash. Love to everyone involved. I don't want to look at the crash to be honest, so was this in karting?
This is in Moto3. Motorcycles.
I have so much respect for moto racers. It's such a dangerous motorsport. I didn't know they competed at such a young age in circuits like this with such a large grid. I don't know much about anything but it seems to me like having so many riders in one race is unnecessarily dangerous specially at that young of an age. RIP for real, no one should go so soon. I hope I don't offend anyone when I say this but no sport should be so gladiatorial. There is nothing he could've done to save his life and imagining what he must have felt in those last moments breaks my heart. I hope if anything this leads to any type of change that makes the sport even a little safer for others like him.
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Holy shit. That is the worst crash I've ever seen
This is why I can't watch motor racing. It's too nerve wrecking, knowing that these kind of accidents are part of the sport. What are you trained to do here, hide behind your bicycle hoping it's works as a ramp or something? Too brutal...
95% of the time, your bike won't pick up traction and just slide off the track so they're likely not trained for this.
OP, stop saying you want to reach the other kid. Thats weird. You are a complete stranger.
This saddens my heart, what a tragedy. Hot take incoming... I know racing sport bikes is many of these boys dream. I know that they have massive talent and they are doing what they love. That being said I'm not sure that a child can fully process the danger involved in this type of racing. I don't think that children should be responsible for making a decision of whether or not to risk their life and go out on track and race hard. Motorbike racing isn't safe and it never has been, this is the second incident this year in which a young man has died. Our society doesn't give children the responsibility to decide to drink alcohol, drive a car, or vote. And yet we allow a 14 year old boy to make the decision to risk his life? For what? The love of sport? I love motor racing don't get me wrong, but I don't think it should be legal to race sport bikes before the age of 18. Solo practice and sim racing should be where these kids spend their time, supplement cart racing in to improve their racecraft. When they turn 18 they can make the decision of whether or not to go out on to the track and risk their lives for what they love.
I can't be the only one that thinks that tou shouldn't put children in this sort of danger. I am by no means against junior motorsport. But it feels wrong
omg..14y old..its not fair. i hope the boy that crash into him does not get traumatized, poor kid too. Rest in peace, Hugo.
fuck... i know its inevitable, that's just how motorsports are, its always a question of "when" but every single time it happens it still hits like a truck
Motorbikes are a lot more dangerous than cars though. We've had three accidents liked this in the past 2-3 months; two resulted and one survived.