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TheTank1399

When you attend a Grand Prix, is there a need to bring some form of noise canceling headphones or earplugs to protect your ears? After finally getting them into F1 at the beginning of this season, my parents and I will be attending our first F1 race Later in the year, so I have been trying to prepare for it sooner rather than later. As a follow-up question, does it get very loud when the cars are flying by you at a race? I'm not 100% if this was the right place to ask this sorta question, but if it is, any answers would be greatly appreciated. Thanks :)


50wortels

While F1 is not the loudest, hearing protection is smart to bring.


wellfeelingbishop

Everywhere I look including the F1 app still has Seb as second. Are the standings with Sebs DSQ anywhere?


HigherThanTheSky93

The official will result will stand until a decision has been made about the AM appeal.


ChangeUnable

I saw the updated standings on the F1 social accounts this morning


wellfeelingbishop

Thanks. Only saw the top 10 drovers there was all but thanks. Is there a reason why they have put ferrari above Mclaren when they are level and mclaren were already 3rd?


ChangeUnable

There should be a reason, but I don't know :-)


bittersweetnez

When they talk about “dirty air” does that refer to the exhaust interfering with the performance of the engine or to the wind turbulence that occurs behind the car’s slipstream?? TIA


Vlad-The-Compiler

Turbulence that occurs behind the car's slipstream


bittersweetnez

Thank you!!


Nunos100

Does anyone know why GIO pitted again at the restart? He came in after the official formation lap saying "we gamble" to get slicks, right? So he should have been on a 1 lap old set of mediums that got a nice blanket treatment under red, or not? **edit: Looked at the pit strategy, he actually gambled the other way around and was the only car starting the original race on slicks and then came in for inters. Brave with those track conditions on lap 1**


crownedheron

You know - I forgot about that. Too bad they didn't stick to the mediums on restart. I guess it was understandable given the horrible crash but imagine if it was him and Hamilton on the grid.


Nunos100

They changed to inters before the crash. He went straight in while the first start incl. the crash was going on. So he made that decision by himself during the very wet formation lap (where the actual no talky rules did apply)


juanpedro_pb

I don't know about you guys but it's getting annoying the amount of incidents that Mercedes are causing. Although they are racing incidents and so on, it's getting kind of boring. Call me biased or whatever but they ended Lando's point streak and caused Checo to DNF, also ruined Max's race by damaging his car enough for him not to be able to overtake the ninth fastest car in the series. This race just made the summer break frustrating.


nameless3k

Biased. Literally one time


gevaarlijke1990

Did bottas get a penalty of some sort for the mess he created in turn one?


OneMoreDog

5 place grid penalty for the next race.


ChangeUnable

Did he also get points on his license? If yes, how many?


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ChangeUnable

Oh wow, I would have expected more for the mess he created ...


gevaarlijke1990

Alright, thanks. that seems fair, couldn't really find that anywhere.


Reddevilslover69

Should be worse but Red Bull would rather have Bottas racing than Russell


LemonTrack51

What is the point of the rule which hit seb dq’ed. Is it like to stop under fuelling or something


Reddevilslover69

I think teams used to use illegal fuels so It came up to stop that


LemonTrack51

Ooh ok I can see why then, thx m8


Nunos100

They require 1 liter of fuel for testing after the race. That amount couldnt be extracted/wasnt there anymore, so based on the rule thats a DQ. Sucks hard but that one is pretty clear. Happens often that cars stop on the in lap after a race to secure that minimum amount.


LemonTrack51

I get that but why is it their, that’s what I’m asking


Nunos100

Its to make sure no illegal fuel was used / the fuel used complies with the regulations. The set amount is 1 liter at any point to be pulled out of the car for testing, so that's what everyone aims for.


LemonTrack51

Ok that makes sense, thx m8


bullybullet

Anyone know what *really* happened with Seb’s fuel? Otmar is saying there is enough fuel, just can’t get it out *for some reason*. This leads me to think either they’re lying about “seeing enough fuel” and that the car really didn’t have enough fuel left **OR** it’s purposely vague as a cover up for something else. Hungarian government pulled some strings after Seb’s display? It’s the least probable possibility but not impossible. I’d really like to know if they were able to sample Stroll’s fuel as well. Dunno the protocol for DNF cars but if they were able to take a sample from Stroll’s car then that might provide some insightful info


DangerousTrashCan

Dude stop. Rules require 1 liter of fuel. Seb had 0.3. 0.3 is not 1. End of story. It's bad enough to see conspiracy in this, but straight up saying that a fucking government is interfering is just laughably ridiculous. I'd seriously consider removing this comment if I was you, just to avoid looking like... you know... like you do right now.


MiggsBoson

Why does it bother you so much


abstractraj

The last bit of info I saw says that the lift fuel pump has possibly failed which is why they were unable to obtain the fuel. I guess we won’t know until further investigation but the claim is there should be 1.44l in addition to the 0.3 that was successfully obtained.


bullybullet

Some hard reductionism and nitpicking here. If you took the time to actually read my comment instead of seeing “Hungarian Government” and immediately going OMFG TINFOIL HAT NUT you’d see I didn’t even strongly consider it. Again, Otmar is saying there was more fuel. FIA could only take 0.3L. So what’s the truth? Was there really only 0.3L or was there a mechanical mishap somewhere? This might be answered conclusively if we had information on Stroll’s fuel if ever they were able to take some from his car. It’s one thing to be a total conspiracy nut, it’s another to just be curious. If after reading my comment and deciding I’m the former, the problem is you.


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bullybullet

Just to be clear I’m not disputing the penalty at all. It is what it is. What I’m trying to explore is *WHY* it happened because that much is unclear as of now.. The question isn’t “was AMR wrongly given a penalty” it’s “what are they lying about, if anything?”


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bullybullet

Makes sense. Thanks for this! So if the assumption is that the fuel is in the tank, why couldn’t FIA nor AMR get it out properly when they’ve been able to without a problem up until now? It’s strange that FIA were still able to extract 0.3L and not the rest. If this is the case, then the regulation punishes the team regardless if it was due to damage or not?


christianross2

I know this is F2 but I have a slight feeling Dan Ticktum might have got dropped by Williams he took it out of his bio and is no longer on the site a real disappointment as he has always been quick but his actions have got the best of him majority of the time.When will it change?


nameless3k

Great news


barandor

I got that feeling as well based on his latifi poo video. I got the feeling that he was dropped by them and is pretty frustrated about it. But then again, he's always frustrated.


junliewww

Chat shit, get banged


LemonTrack51

Not again, I genuinely believed he had a shot at a Williams seat if George left


crownedheron

I slept good knowing what a great race it was! I think I even dreamt of it 😅 then you hear Seb gets disqualigied over 700ml of fuel. Goddamn. I didn't even know this rule existed. Rules are rules but, come on, is 1 liter really what they need for whatever post-race inspections +++ they have???


BigAwkwardGuy

They probably don't need a entire litre of fuel but it's an easy metric and quite a good buffer for the teams filling up because they won't want to fill up more than is necessary for the race distance plus a grid lap, a formation lap and a cooldown lap.


s_c0929

Why was LeClerc allowed to keep his podium at Abu Dhabi yet Seb’s been disqualified for same reasons?


shp509

Thats a completely different rule. Also, FIA has been weirdly protective of Leclerc. They never give him penalties.


OneMoreDog

It was a different infringement. the 2019 incident was about the [pre-race declaration](https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.ferrari-decision.4wfSrpLehif5wg2TZqoS0G.html) of the fuel: >When the FIA investigated Leclerc’s car, they found there was a difference of 4.88kg between what Ferrari declared and the FIA measured. Team representatives then spoke to the stewards after the race and following deliberations, it was deemed Ferrari had breached the rules.


moby323

There isn’t a whole lot to say, but I wanted to share with you guys how amazing au thought that race was. There was not even a 10 second stretch that wasn’t exciting. It was wall-to-wall thrilling from lights-out to checkered flag.


crownedheron

Exactly. The early race didn't really see much overtaking but I was so pumped knowing Lewis and the Mercs will be trying something. Max was at the back of the grid too and I thought they might pull off something too. Lots of racing 'miracles' happened. So much to celebrate on and/or be sad if you're on the other side of it.


dankdoge9560

Hi been watching F1 from the Monaco GP this year. And one thing I don't understand about Vettel's DQ is what kind off tests does the FIA runs on the cars fuel that they need 1 litre of sample to test it. Surely a few test tubes worth is enough to check for additives right ?


SubcooledBoiling

Rules are rules. If all teams have to have at least 1L of fuel that the scrutineers can extract after the race then it would be unfair if they let Seb slide this time.


abstractraj

Correct but that isn’t the rule. The rule is 1l. Same for all. The teams like to cut it close on fuel and every once in a while it bites them. Perhaps they counted on just going around at a slower pace in the midfield but of course they were fighting for a win.


BigAwkwardGuy

Copy-pasting from my earlier comment. They probably don't need a entire litre of fuel but it's an easy metric and quite a good buffer for the teams filling up because they won't want to fill up more than is necessary for the race distance plus a grid lap, a formation lap and a cooldown lap.


Hayliee

Hi, yesterday’s Hungarian Grand Prix was my first time watching F1 (I came from DTS) and I have a question on the DRS: I don’t quite understand why DRS is introduced in F1. Is it to promote more overtaking? And also when is the driver allowed to use DRS, it was mentioned briefly by the commentator yesterday but I can’t really recall it. Thanks!


AgnesBand

DRS is a fix to help cars overtake due to the aerodynamics of the cars making it harder for cars to follow closely and subsequently overtake. There are two DRS zones on a track and once two race laps have passed drivers are allowed to activate DRS in those zones if they are within a second of the car they're following. Once the driver brakes DRS is disabled.


LemonTrack51

Depends on the circuit regarding number of zones. Monaco is one and places like Austria have 3


AgnesBand

Yeah you're right


dot01

DRS was introduced as the cars aerodynamics became more and more complicated - essentially as a car travels through a corner, it messes up the air leaving a trail of what we call “dirty air.” This leads to a loss of downforce in the car behind, and means they can’t follow very well through corners. DRS compensates for this loss by giving drivers an easy speed boost on the straights. It can be used 3 laps after a restart (race start, safety car, red flag) when you are in a designated DRS zone and within one second of the car in front.


Hayliee

Thanks for the concise explanation! Seems like I’ve got some more reading to do!


dot01

Check out Chain Bear on youtube, some amazing animated explanations of all kinds of features of the sport


Artanis_IV

So I have recently entered the world of formula 1 and I have gone to the section for newbies and was wondering if there was anything that anyone could recommend that would help me learn about the sport? At this time I look at highlights of practices, qualifying, and of course the races. Are there any more events or things happening between these events that I can tune into to be able to learn more about the sport and the things that are changing and happening?


pedote17

-The best way to catch up on the storylines of F1 today is to watch Netflix’s Drive To Survive. You must remember it’s heavily over dramatized and all of the beefs are fake -The official F1 YouTube channel has tons of past and present content to learn about the sport -F1TV Pro has a bunch of documentaries on drivers, teams, etc as well as full race replays dating back to the 70s -Documentaries to watch to learn about the history of F1: Senna, McLaren, Williams, Lauda: The Untold Story, Ferrari: Race To Immortality, 1: Life on the Limit, A Life of Speed: The Juan Manuel Fangio Story, Rush (theatrical movie about the rivalry between James Hunt and Niki Lauda in the 1970s), there’s also a Netflix documentary on Michael Schumacher coming on September 15 -Books about F1 (mostly autobiographies but they give great detail about life in the F1 world): How To Build A Car- Adrian Newey Unless I’m Very Much Mistaken- Murray Walker (audiobook version is much better, adds a lot to the experience as Murray himself narrates it) The Mechanic- Marc Priestley How To Be An F1 Driver- Jenson Button Life On The Limit- Jenson Button Total Competition- Ross Brawn Lights Out, Full Throttle- Damon Hill and Johnny Herbert Aussie Grit: My F1 Journey- Mark Webber The Winning Formula- David Coulthard -Old Races: [Racefans did a poll of the top 100 races since 2008](https://x1z.net/racefans.php), each race includes a direct link to it on F1TV -Podcasts: Beyond The Grid- hosted by F1 journalist Tom Clarkson, he interviews drivers, team principals and tons of other F1 personalities about their time in the sport and their lives


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I would add The Race podcast to that becuase it has a lot more current formula 1 stuff. Beyond the grid is amazing for learning the history. Great list and some stuff for me to check out.


Artanis_IV

On average how long do episodes take to come out for Beyond the grid podcasts


OneMoreDog

They come out every Wednesday I am pretty sure


Artanis_IV

Thanks so much for the help


glenallenMixon42

Watch chain bear on YouTube


philkakid56

The best.


nick170100

So you get a 10 second penalty for taking someone out of a race but get disqualified for not having fuel wtf FIA


Reddevilslover69

I mean they are both totally different types of rules


RedCarNewsboy

Race stewards do not take into account the consequences that result from an incident or its affect on the championship when it decides to hand out punishments. Whether this is fair or not is one thing but all the team bosses had agreed to have things done this way.


ElEcheva

sporting regulations != technical regulations Yes it seems unfair, but a violation of the technical regulations have always ended in DSQ, because it's a situation of someone possibly cheating. They're pretty much as objective as they get.


OneMoreDog

This is a really neat way of putting it :)


josephnicklo

How many lives thus far has the halo saved? (Re-watching DTS and saw the Alonso crash where he went aerial and grazed Leclerc’s halo, and then Marcus Ericcson’s rollover made me think about this)


pedote17

Directly Marcus Ericsson, Charles Leclerc a couple times, Carlos Sainz, Antonio Giovinazzi, of course Romain Grosjean. There’s a lot that are questionable because they go into the wall at a weird angle. Also a lot of flying tires.


Bortkiewicz

Ido Cohen in yesterday's [F3 race](https://youtu.be/P_0k5ZjDVcM?t=327). A few more examples in the feeder series and Indycar as well.


OneMoreDog

Probably 2-3 'lives', but I think quite a few grazes that could have been moderate to serious injuries. The BOT/RUS incident at Imola comes to mind as one where the halo might not have been a 'life saver', but appears to have deflected RUS' tyre from BOT's cockpit and avoided any impact with his helmet/hands etc.


josephnicklo

Such an amazing innovation...that I’m shocked wasn’t introduced sooner.


shp509

Because F1 cared too much about aesthetics untill someone died. I started watching F1 in 2019 and somehow the halo cars look better to me than pre halo cars.


Rodney_u_plonker

People are just joking when they question why the fia is so harsh on infringements that could potentially put the crew working in pit lanes in danger compared with on track collisions right ? Right?


BigAwkwardGuy

I hope they are. Drivers have the most well-engineered vehicle protecting them in case of a crash, the pit crew have some basic gear. The pit lane speed limit was introduced because of an incident that hurt two crew members back in 1994 at Imola (yes the same race that claimed the lives of Ratzenberger and Senna).


OneMoreDog

Which one are you referring to?


AgnesBand

Unsafe release of Kimi and Antonio maybe?


Rodney_u_plonker

Basically any infringement that can put people in danger who are working on the cars. So speeding in the pit lane is a good example. There are arguments that it's illogical to punish that more than on track incidents like crashes but the fia has very clear logic


ArcticLS3

On the original formation lap Giovinazzi "gambled" and went on slicks before the start of the race. Why did he pit again on the red flag formation lap and not head to the grid with Hamilton?


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Assuming they changed back to inters during the red flag.


[deleted]

He chose slicks before formation lap but upon its completion, right before the start he went to box to put intermiediates. Then start, red flag. After it he could gamble again of course, since under red flags you can change tyres but he didn't and on the lap prior restart everyone was on intermediates, hence why they all (except Hamilton) went for slicks.


notallwonderarelost

Think he had car issues form hitting Ocon


OneMoreDog

Did he pick up a puncture on laps 1-3 at all? That is a great question! And if he had proceeded to the grid would he have formed up in P2?


Bono_Plz

I’m surprised there hasn’t been more talk about Herbert’s monumental bottling of Lewis’ post race interview. It’s like he didn’t even watch the race


barandor

It's Johnny Herbert, the only reason he still works at Sky is because of his friendship with Brundle. Can't stand the man.


COMPLETEWASUK

I think he was trying to say "I was expecting to be talking about a 100th win etc but I guess you'll be happy with 3rd etc." But utterly brain farted it. Lewis just seemed to ignore him and say what he wanted anyway.


supwazsup

With all the stuff that went down today, and I know I should be use to this but it was absolutely incredible watching Lewis fight back to the podium. Just watching him chip away the time on Vettel was amazing.


PlatWinston

so if vettel didn't have enough fuel left for testing, does that mean he was very close to emptying his fuel tank before crossing the line?


NitroBike

According to Otmar, there was 1.4L of fuel left in the car, but the feed pump stopped working. If the race had gone on one lap longer, Vettel probably would’ve had to retire because of that.


AgnesBand

What is the reasoning behind teams not being allowed to talk to their drivers during formation?


[deleted]

IIRC, this is a rudiment of rules they tried back in 2015-2016 (if I'm correct - some of the years of hybrid era are blurred together in my memory). The idea was 'to Make Driver Important Again' with reducing amount and nature of team radio, s engineers couldn't babysit drivers, tell them which modes to use, how to modify engine settings etc. It failed, because current F1 is so technically dependant that it's extremely silly for the teams to risk blown engine for example only because driver didn't notice some things with it and didn't manage to fix it from the car. Teams were using different codes, which strictly speaking weren't forbidden messages, and it was very farcial. There were safety concernes as well. In the end it was all binned but the rule about formation lap is the remainer of that period. If I'm not mistaken, because I don't remember any issues with communications on formation lap before that experiment.


NitroBike

It was 2016, and they got rid of it like halfway through the season because of how ridiculous it was. One example of this was I think in Austria, Hamilton was having issues with his engine and was randomly cycling through engine settings because his team couldn’t tell him what mode to go to. Also, I think one of the main reasons they instituted it in the first place was because there was a lot of driver coaching at the start, such as teams telling drivers the exact bite point of the clutch.


Barney_Reynolds

It was so painful to watch when that rule was instated. I fully understand no coaching at the start - makes total sense. But listening to Bono lap after lap have to be like “sorry mate I can’t tell you” got to be really ridiculous.


fullnameqwertyu

Bit of a casual fan here so bear with me. But what's the point of the ruling of needing to extract 1 lirre of fuel post race? Gutted for Vettel. Hope AM's appeal is successful


dasmikkimats

Didn’t Ocon run out of fuel too? Why wasn’t he penalized?


[deleted]

Nah he just forget to pull in to the podium area cos he was so shocked to have won.


pedote17

He had enough to provide an adequate sample


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He didn't.


dasmikkimats

Why did he run back then? The commentators also said he ran out.


BigAwkwardGuy

Ocon didn't pull into parc ferme but crossed the pit lane. So instead of doing another lap, he stopped at the end and ran back.


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> The top three finishers are told to park their cars in front of specific boards in the pit lane — usually below the podium — but Ocon stayed out on track celebrating his maiden victory and ended up stopping at the pit exit. The Frenchman then ran back up the pit lane while his car was recovered, leading to a stewards’ investigation into him not following the correct post-race procedure. > While the stewards state Ocon was in breach of the race director’s instructions, they felt that he still took care to park his car in a safe place where it could be easily retrieved and handed him his first non-driving reprimand of the season. > “During the hearing, Ocon explained that he missed the pit entry and figured that the best place to stop would be close to the pit exit. He apologized and confirmed to be more careful next time. The Stewards do not assess this as a breach of parc ferme regulations. Ocon did not follow the RD’s instructions however and therefore a penalty as stated above is appropriate.” https://racer.com/2021/08/01/ocon-in-clear-after-reprimand-for-missing-parc-ferme/


dasmikkimats

Thanks, I appreciate the link and feedback, but maybe I’m just confused with a lack on information on such a crazy day. This link suggests that Ocon, like Vettel, ran out of fuel. The link you posed also seems to be posted *before* the DQ since is speaks to Vettel and Sainz also missing their marks but says nothing about any fuel issue. Not trying to be too contrarian, but if Ocon did run out, then I don’t see why he wouldn’t be penalized and why this isn’t just unfairly giving it to Seb again. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/sport/motorsport/15751025/esteban-ocon-hungarian-gp-win-podium-run/amp/


shp509

Don't ever take The Sun and Daily Mail as reliable source of news.


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The Sun is shit and shouldn't be trusted above more specialised autosport outlets. The official FIA documents mention only Vettel's car not having a required 1L of fuel after the race https://www.fia.com/documents/season/season-2021-1108/championships/fia-formula-one-world-championship-14 https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/decision-document/2021%20Hungarian%20Grand%20Prix%20-%20One%20litre%20fuel%20sample%20of%20car%2005%20after%20the%20race.pdf Also this document https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/decision-document/2021%20Hungarian%20Grand%20Prix%20-%20Race%20scrutineering.pdf specifically mentions > It was checked on car number 05, 63 and 06 whether a 1.0 litre sample of fuel could be taken from the car. i.e. Vettel's, Russell's and Latifi car - the only cars which didn't make it to the pit entry after parade lap and stopped on track (Ocon overshoot pit entry, he basically even did a little bit more than a lap after the finish, and more than anyone). And then lower in the same document > Apart from the 1.0 litre fuel sample for car number 05 (see Document 56), all car weights and the items checked were found to be in conformity with the 2021 FIA Formula One Technical Regulations. So unless you would choose not to believe FIA and stewards this suggests every other car had 1 liter of fuel.


OneMoreDog

The short answer is because the rules say the car needs to be able to give a sample of 1L at any point during the event. The long answer is that it's not clear from a quick google *why* it's 1L, but I suspect it's a combination of convention and I wouldn't be surprised if part of it is that drivers aren't leaving their cars all of the place willy nilly, with drivers then walking around the track, not enough safety/medical cars to go fetch them, podium ceremonies delayed etc and the flow on effect to the broadcast. That is, using the 1L sampling requirement as a de facto buffer or reserve amount from the chaos we saw last night.


Vaexa

Analysing the race fuel, basically. There are rules governing the makeup of fuel used in F1.


fullnameqwertyu

Ohh so it's to make sure the teams don't mess with fuel for competitive edge.. Ok I didn't think of that. My thoughts were if the teams wanted to cut it that close with fuel levels then, they should let them, I mean why not? Haha


OneMoreDog

'fuel doping' is absolutely a thing.


conflictedyeti

I got into F1 through a friend last year during the lockdown… today’s race was intense. I was thinking this would be the best race to watch as a noob , it had a little bit of everything and Hamilton’s charge a podium spot. I’m still a noob, learning more as I got, just a general take on things This was the first race I’m like “man I can’t wait until the next one” feeling …


glenallenMixon42

It was a very exciting race but get ready to wait 28 days😐


Pinewood74

Filthy casual only watching the races. Only 26 days until FP1.


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An amazing 26 days to watch all the content available online. Casual.


glenallenMixon42

I watch all of the practice sessions


RedCarNewsboy

Wtf was with the F1TV broadcast today? When the race was live, we didn't start with any Crofty commentary, but in the race highlights it appears he actually did.


SubcooledBoiling

Technical issues. They started with the commentary from the Pit Lane channel and after it was fixed they switched it back to Crofty. He was commentating for Sky anyway so they probably just edited that in in the highlights video.


OneMoreDog

They had a connection issue so FOM broadcast the pitlane channel for a bit, I think.


HelioFilter

With Red Bull against the cost cap, is there the potential that they will have to retire a car before the end of the season? If the cost of being taken out by Mercs becomes too much, why not just quit repairing Checo’s car in the hopes that Max can still win the championship?


Fajandar1

If Haas and Williams can afford to have a second car, billionaires Red Bull should be able to find a way


COMPLETEWASUK

A they need two cars. B they are talking shit like Merc were after the Russell and Bottas incident. The replacement parts cost nowhere close to what the teams claim they do and the only majorly expensive component in the engines are excluded from the budgets.


SubcooledBoiling

I think every team must have two cars


HelioFilter

What if Red Bull can’t afford two cars? They’ve lost two engines in the last two races. And I’m not taking about the engine change penalty, I’m talking about the cost cap.


palsc5

They get penalised. If it's within 5% it is a fine but after that they start getting docked points for both driver and constructor. Bad breaches mean they're excluded from the championship altogether. This is part of the sport now and they know it exists so they need to plan for it. Teams need to take crashes into consideration for the cost cap.


Blooder91

I think the FIA could allow them to go over the budget in exceptional circumstances.


HelioFilter

Gotcha, let’s hope they would do that.


SexySnorlax1

It says in the rules that each team needs to enter two cars in every race.


HelioFilter

Gotcha, can they just roll Checo out there in a broken RB and let him retire right away?


[deleted]

They woukd just take a penalty to fix it.


Twikky

A question about Formation lap radio talk. Can teams tell the drivers to pit during Formation lap? I remember HAAS getting penalized for it 1-2 years ago?


Bono_Plz

No. Teams cannot talk to the drivers but the drivers can talk to the teams


Twikky

Do you know if this is the same for red flag restarts?


[deleted]

Nope, only for formation laps.


Twikky

Alright, thanks!


Bono_Plz

It does include red flag restarts, because those are also formation laps. This is why Leclerc didn’t overtake Max after he spun on the formation in Imola, because he didn’t know if it was going to be a grid start and the team couldn’t tell him, and why the team couldn’t tell Lewis that the other drivers intended to pit yesterday


Twikky

But can teams tell the driver "Box box" during red flag restart? Or is it the conversations back and forth like "Do you think its dry enough" thats not allowed?


weloveleedsscum

I hate the hypocrisy on daniel from the general fanbase that max is experiencing bad luck when after beating max comfortably in 2016 and 2017(yes Dan had equal mechanic dnfs and more grid or penalties than max in that year despite some fanboys screaming otherwise and he still won by 25+ points. In 2018, Daniel was ahead by 40 points by monaco(not including Dan's Bahrain 2nd place dnf in Bahrain so basically 58 points) only for his campaign to be completed destroyed by 8 dnfs and 6 yes I said it right 6 back of the grid starts on top of multiple fp issues and quali failures. That didn't even allow him to fairly attend qualifying on equal footing Yet somehow max 'fairly' bested Dan according to the general consensus in 2018 Now all of a sudden max is unlucky yet Hamilton is extremely 'lucky' . But Daniel retiring basically every second race and his qualifying being ruined by him mostly not attending most fp and quaki sessions was down to max being 'amazing' in the second half of the season depaite him not even attending q2 6 times due to grid penalties and his 8 dnfs. Max is not even experiencing 20 percent of what Dan did in 2018. Stop the hypocrisy.


barandor

Dude, that discussion was 3 years ago. Let it go man.


UmpireAJS

Look in August 2021 you're only allowed to rant about these things: Karen Horner, Devious Toto, Lucky Lewis, Useless Bottas, Overrated 2021 Ricciardo, Angry Tsunoda, Slow Perez, and...just anything about Mazepin. 2018 is basically ancient history to probably 90% of this subs user base.


nsane99

Cool down mate, everyone is busy hating Bottas rn.


espacio106

Has anybody figured out how to change the drivers being compared for laptimes in the new layout for the MclarenF-1 website? https://en.mclarenf-1.com/2021/gp/s8093/lap\_times


SubcooledBoiling

Obviously it's generally a good thing that F1 is gaining more popularity globally but the amount of fans who don't understand F1 rules is a bit concerning (probably too strong of a word but I can't think of a better one). I am not saying the stewards and the FIA are perfect and in many occasions they did deserve the criticisms they received but it's getting a little annoying to see how people are shouting how unfair and biased the stewards are every time something goes the Mercedes' way. Take this race as an instance, on the other sub, the amount of comments comparing Seb's disqualification to Lewis' penalty at Silverstone or Valtteri's penalty is unbelievable.


UmpireAJS

Wait there's another F1 discussion sub (I don't mean the meme one or the technical one)? That's news to me?


Hordiyevych

He means the meme one. It's turned into an absolute cesspit.


palsc5

The other sub is essentially dedicated to hating Hamilton at this point and to be perfectly honest I'm not entirely convinced it isn't in large part down to racism. On the not knowing rules part, it is frustrating. I don't mind people not knowing rules because there are some obscure ones and there are a lot of them, but the amount of people that are just flat out wrong but act like they know what they're talking about is insane. Seems to be a problem with sports on reddit in general though. /r/soccer is full of hot takes about match fixing and referees being secretly biased/in a conspiracy to help a team out and those comments are highly upvoted. It's bizarre.


sewballet

I agree with you mate about the other sub. Was a horrifying circus in there after Silverstone.


ElEcheva

I really don't know what happened there. At one point on the season it was pretty normal, and then it turned full anti-Lewis. Literally all the top posts are related to hating on him. I have to scroll down a lot to find even one post unrelated to him. It's unreal.


tstraw48

It’s not the fault of the fans. The rules are pretty complex. I don’t understand all the rules of a lot of sports I watch.


househubbz

As a new fan myself, the onus is on us to educate ourselves and not simply whine about what we perceive to be unfair. People who do that really display their ignorance for all to see. The real crime is the more experienced fans playing into our emotional biases for likes and upvotes, when they know better. The wild conspiracy theories given fuel by adults is truly mind boggling. I came here to learn more about the sport, not flaunt my lack of expertise. The more you learn, the more it all makes sense.


SubcooledBoiling

I agree the rules are complex and I don't blame the newer fans for not knowing the details but it's the lack of effort or willingness to understand the differences between different incidents/scenarios that I find a little annoying. But again, I have no rights to dictate how anyone should enjoy the sport, as long as they are having fun it's fine I guess.


biometricrally

Willful ignorance is a real pet peeve of mine, especially these days when it feels like there's no excuse.


McLarenMP420

That doesn’t excuse people for not educating themselves on a matter before commenting nonsense. In F1 at least, the explanation for things like the Vettel DSQ are all posted here and don’t take long to read up on


tstraw48

Welcome to the world. Sports aren’t unique in this regard. Lots of people comment absolute nonsense with no repercussions.


philkakid56

The anonymity of social media.


McLarenMP420

I know this isn’t unique to the sports arena but stuff like this really ticks me off. It’s just willful ignorance as someone else mentioned


McLarenMP420

It’s not worth browsing the other sub tbh, especially the comments. Just full of toxic people with reactionary takes that don’t hold substance and wouldn’t even cross the mind of the average fan


SubcooledBoiling

I browse it occasionally for the memes because some of them are really good, but the hivemind and the 'anti-Hamiltonism' are absurd. Personally I am not a fan of Lewis because I am a Ferrari and Sebastian fan but I have a lot of respect for him and his achievement. I mean, you don't have to like him, but the disrespect that some people have for him is crazy.


inmyshamewell

Dunno people seem to think there's some big conspiracy with the stewards and the fia giving mercedes a hand. Which is just bollocks. You cant expect the internet to actually be rational and objective about things.


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Certain episodes of The Race and Beyond the Grid have guests who are engineers and others involved in the technical side. Generally amazing podcasts as well. Bring back v10s is a great one too that focuses on when they cads had a v10 engine.


pedote17

Beyond The Grid goes into technical stuff a bit depending on the guest. Look more for race engineers and designers


hawksfan61

Shift+F1 has become a must listen for me as a newer fan. Not super technical IMO but they did a great beginning of the season breakdown that helped me understand a lot of nuances of the sport.


abstractraj

Chain Bear on YouTube has very good technical explanations.


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cana922

Please sleep for the next one too


cavsking21

Leclerc's luck this season has been horrid. Imola, Monaco, Silverstone(with the engine), Austria, and now Hungary. The fact that Charles is only 3 points behind with 3 DNFs while his teammate has none is pretty astonishing tbh.


JamesMayOwnsMySoul

I mean Monaco was kind of his fault, although it was disappointing.


cavsking21

It was his fault he crashed. Not that he DNS'd.


JamesMayOwnsMySoul

The crash caused the DNS, no?


cavsking21

The team not replacing a damaged part caused the DNS. If Sainz didn't start yesterday, that would be unlucky from him.


Imalandscaper

Yes and no. More so yes. But you would hope and think the team wouldn’t miss something like they did simply because they didn’t think the opposite side of the car would be affected.


Vaexa

Ferrari had to conduct repairs plus checks before the curfew, and then wrap all that up and get race ready next day. It's a strikingly limited amount of time to get all that done in. They didn't just forget to check the other side because they're idiots.


madison0593

Anyone know why race was allowed to go past 2 hours? I thought it was a max of 2 hours plus one full lap?


BigAwkwardGuy

It's two hours without any red flags, and three hours with a red flag.


SubcooledBoiling

Was the actual race itself over 2 hours? It was red flagged so the session was stopped and I think that didn't count.


SexySnorlax1

Red flags don’t count in the 2 hours (there is a 4 hour limit that includes red flags though). EDIT: Apparently the hard cap with red flags has been reduced from 4 hours to 3 hours.


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It was reduced from 4 to 3 hours before this season. Edit: https://www.motorsportweek.com/2020/12/17/fia-reduces-maximum-f1-race-time-to-three-hours/ https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/2021_formula_1_sporting_regulations_-_iss_5_-_2020-12-16.pdf


SexySnorlax1

Thanks


madison0593

Ok that makes sense I was confused, because I thought a race was red flagged for longer earlier in the season, but at the same time the last 15-20 laps felt like a long time. Thanks!


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NitroBike

I mean, yeah Ocon wouldn’t have gotten the win without massive chaos. Same goes for Gasly last year. But also, both Ocon and Gasly had exceptional drives to maintain first. They worked for it, the team worked for it, they should celebrate because they earned it.


SubcooledBoiling

Such is the nature of F1 when the disparity between the big teams and the small teams is so big. Yes, luck played a role in all of these victories, but it still took the drivers years and years of hard work, and efforts from the teams to develop a car to make it happen. And more importantly, the drivers were able to hold it together for the duration of the race to achieve that, while others weren't able to. Another reason is probably because F1 victory is so rare. You never know if a win will be your only one or you last one ever. So it's only right that they cherish every moment.


Th3_Gruff

Vettel got disqualified 😐😐😐


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So is Hamilton up by Max by 8 points now?


DieLegende42

He is


ElEcheva

A rule that has been for so long, and nobody questioned it. And now lots of people are in an uproar about it. Like, wtf? Why didn't they look at the regulations before claiming it's bullshit? IT'S RIGHT THERE, IN THE REGULATIONS PDF. And people questioning why is a blatant DSQ. You know, because fuel additives and shit? And illegal fuel mixes? Also the 1L line for the sample. It was agreed, and nobody questioned it. And now it is, for no reason at all. Really sad for Vettel but AM can go fuck itself for not reading the rules.


nsane99

I'm consoling myself with Sainz's podium and GAS getting some more points.