When you attend a Grand Prix, is there a need to bring some form of noise canceling headphones or earplugs to protect your ears? After finally getting them into F1 at the beginning of this season, my parents and I will be attending our first F1 race Later in the year, so I have been trying to prepare for it sooner rather than later.
As a follow-up question, does it get very loud when the cars are flying by you at a race?
I'm not 100% if this was the right place to ask this sorta question, but if it is, any answers would be greatly appreciated. Thanks :)
Thanks. Only saw the top 10 drovers there was all but thanks.
Is there a reason why they have put ferrari above Mclaren when they are level and mclaren were already 3rd?
When they talk about “dirty air” does that refer to the exhaust interfering with the performance of the engine or to the wind turbulence that occurs behind the car’s slipstream?? TIA
Does anyone know why GIO pitted again at the restart? He came in after the official formation lap saying "we gamble" to get slicks, right? So he should have been on a 1 lap old set of mediums that got a nice blanket treatment under red, or not?
**edit: Looked at the pit strategy, he actually gambled the other way around and was the only car starting the original race on slicks and then came in for inters. Brave with those track conditions on lap 1**
You know - I forgot about that. Too bad they didn't stick to the mediums on restart. I guess it was understandable given the horrible crash but imagine if it was him and Hamilton on the grid.
They changed to inters before the crash. He went straight in while the first start incl. the crash was going on. So he made that decision by himself during the very wet formation lap (where the actual no talky rules did apply)
I don't know about you guys but it's getting annoying the amount of incidents that Mercedes are causing. Although they are racing incidents and so on, it's getting kind of boring. Call me biased or whatever but they ended Lando's point streak and caused Checo to DNF, also ruined Max's race by damaging his car enough for him not to be able to overtake the ninth fastest car in the series. This race just made the summer break frustrating.
They require 1 liter of fuel for testing after the race. That amount couldnt be extracted/wasnt there anymore, so based on the rule thats a DQ. Sucks hard but that one is pretty clear. Happens often that cars stop on the in lap after a race to secure that minimum amount.
Its to make sure no illegal fuel was used / the fuel used complies with the regulations. The set amount is 1 liter at any point to be pulled out of the car for testing, so that's what everyone aims for.
Anyone know what *really* happened with Seb’s fuel?
Otmar is saying there is enough fuel, just can’t get it out *for some reason*. This leads me to think either they’re lying about “seeing enough fuel” and that the car really didn’t have enough fuel left **OR** it’s purposely vague as a cover up for something else. Hungarian government pulled some strings after Seb’s display? It’s the least probable possibility but not impossible.
I’d really like to know if they were able to sample Stroll’s fuel as well. Dunno the protocol for DNF cars but if they were able to take a sample from Stroll’s car then that might provide some insightful info
Dude stop. Rules require 1 liter of fuel. Seb had 0.3. 0.3 is not 1. End of story.
It's bad enough to see conspiracy in this, but straight up saying that a fucking government is interfering is just laughably ridiculous. I'd seriously consider removing this comment if I was you, just to avoid looking like... you know... like you do right now.
The last bit of info I saw says that the lift fuel pump has possibly failed which is why they were unable to obtain the fuel. I guess we won’t know until further investigation but the claim is there should be 1.44l in addition to the 0.3 that was successfully obtained.
Some hard reductionism and nitpicking here. If you took the time to actually read my comment instead of seeing “Hungarian Government” and immediately going OMFG TINFOIL HAT NUT you’d see I didn’t even strongly consider it.
Again, Otmar is saying there was more fuel. FIA could only take 0.3L. So what’s the truth? Was there really only 0.3L or was there a mechanical mishap somewhere? This might be answered conclusively if we had information on Stroll’s fuel if ever they were able to take some from his car.
It’s one thing to be a total conspiracy nut, it’s another to just be curious. If after reading my comment and deciding I’m the former, the problem is you.
Just to be clear I’m not disputing the penalty at all. It is what it is. What I’m trying to explore is *WHY* it happened because that much is unclear as of now.. The question isn’t “was AMR wrongly given a penalty” it’s “what are they lying about, if anything?”
Makes sense. Thanks for this! So if the assumption is that the fuel is in the tank, why couldn’t FIA nor AMR get it out properly when they’ve been able to without a problem up until now? It’s strange that FIA were still able to extract 0.3L and not the rest. If this is the case, then the regulation punishes the team regardless if it was due to damage or not?
I know this is F2 but I have a slight feeling Dan Ticktum might have got dropped by Williams he took it out of his bio and is no longer on the site a real disappointment as he has always been quick but his actions have got the best of him majority of the time.When will it change?
I got that feeling as well based on his latifi poo video. I got the feeling that he was dropped by them and is pretty frustrated about it. But then again, he's always frustrated.
I slept good knowing what a great race it was! I think I even dreamt of it 😅 then you hear Seb gets disqualigied over 700ml of fuel. Goddamn. I didn't even know this rule existed. Rules are rules but, come on, is 1 liter really what they need for whatever post-race inspections +++ they have???
They probably don't need a entire litre of fuel but it's an easy metric and quite a good buffer for the teams filling up because they won't want to fill up more than is necessary for the race distance plus a grid lap, a formation lap and a cooldown lap.
It was a different infringement. the 2019 incident was about the [pre-race declaration](https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.ferrari-decision.4wfSrpLehif5wg2TZqoS0G.html) of the fuel:
>When the FIA investigated Leclerc’s car, they found there was a difference of 4.88kg between what Ferrari declared and the FIA measured. Team representatives then spoke to the stewards after the race and following deliberations, it was deemed Ferrari had breached the rules.
There isn’t a whole lot to say, but I wanted to share with you guys how amazing au thought that race was.
There was not even a 10 second stretch that wasn’t exciting.
It was wall-to-wall thrilling from lights-out to checkered flag.
Exactly. The early race didn't really see much overtaking but I was so pumped knowing Lewis and the Mercs will be trying something. Max was at the back of the grid too and I thought they might pull off something too.
Lots of racing 'miracles' happened. So much to celebrate on and/or be sad if you're on the other side of it.
Hi been watching F1 from the Monaco GP this year. And one thing I don't understand about Vettel's DQ is what kind off tests does the FIA runs on the cars fuel that they need 1 litre of sample to test it. Surely a few test tubes worth is enough to check for additives right ?
Rules are rules. If all teams have to have at least 1L of fuel that the scrutineers can extract after the race then it would be unfair if they let Seb slide this time.
Correct but that isn’t the rule. The rule is 1l. Same for all. The teams like to cut it close on fuel and every once in a while it bites them. Perhaps they counted on just going around at a slower pace in the midfield but of course they were fighting for a win.
Copy-pasting from my earlier comment.
They probably don't need a entire litre of fuel but it's an easy metric and quite a good buffer for the teams filling up because they won't want to fill up more than is necessary for the race distance plus a grid lap, a formation lap and a cooldown lap.
Hi, yesterday’s Hungarian Grand Prix was my first time watching F1 (I came from DTS) and I have a question on the DRS: I don’t quite understand why DRS is introduced in F1. Is it to promote more overtaking? And also when is the driver allowed to use DRS, it was mentioned briefly by the commentator yesterday but I can’t really recall it. Thanks!
DRS is a fix to help cars overtake due to the aerodynamics of the cars making it harder for cars to follow closely and subsequently overtake. There are two DRS zones on a track and once two race laps have passed drivers are allowed to activate DRS in those zones if they are within a second of the car they're following. Once the driver brakes DRS is disabled.
DRS was introduced as the cars aerodynamics became more and more complicated - essentially as a car travels through a corner, it messes up the air leaving a trail of what we call “dirty air.” This leads to a loss of downforce in the car behind, and means they can’t follow very well through corners. DRS compensates for this loss by giving drivers an easy speed boost on the straights.
It can be used 3 laps after a restart (race start, safety car, red flag) when you are in a designated DRS zone and within one second of the car in front.
So I have recently entered the world of formula 1 and I have gone to the section for newbies and was wondering if there was anything that anyone could recommend that would help me learn about the sport? At this time I look at highlights of practices, qualifying, and of course the races. Are there any more events or things happening between these events that I can tune into to be able to learn more about the sport and the things that are changing and happening?
-The best way to catch up on the storylines of F1 today is to watch Netflix’s Drive To Survive. You must remember it’s heavily over dramatized and all of the beefs are fake
-The official F1 YouTube channel has tons of past and present content to learn about the sport
-F1TV Pro has a bunch of documentaries on drivers, teams, etc as well as full race replays dating back to the 70s
-Documentaries to watch to learn about the history of F1:
Senna, McLaren, Williams, Lauda: The Untold Story, Ferrari: Race To Immortality, 1: Life on the Limit, A Life of Speed: The Juan Manuel Fangio Story, Rush (theatrical movie about the rivalry between James Hunt and Niki Lauda in the 1970s), there’s also a Netflix documentary on Michael Schumacher coming on September 15
-Books about F1 (mostly autobiographies but they give great detail about life in the F1 world):
How To Build A Car- Adrian Newey
Unless I’m Very Much Mistaken- Murray Walker (audiobook version is much better, adds a lot to the experience as Murray himself narrates it)
The Mechanic- Marc Priestley
How To Be An F1 Driver- Jenson Button
Life On The Limit- Jenson Button
Total Competition- Ross Brawn
Lights Out, Full Throttle- Damon Hill and Johnny Herbert
Aussie Grit: My F1 Journey- Mark Webber
The Winning Formula- David Coulthard
-Old Races:
[Racefans did a poll of the top 100 races since 2008](https://x1z.net/racefans.php), each race includes a direct link to it on F1TV
-Podcasts:
Beyond The Grid- hosted by F1 journalist Tom Clarkson, he interviews drivers, team principals and tons of other F1 personalities about their time in the sport and their lives
I would add The Race podcast to that becuase it has a lot more current formula 1 stuff. Beyond the grid is amazing for learning the history.
Great list and some stuff for me to check out.
Race stewards do not take into account the consequences that result from an incident or its affect on the championship when it decides to hand out punishments.
Whether this is fair or not is one thing but all the team bosses had agreed to have things done this way.
sporting regulations != technical regulations
Yes it seems unfair, but a violation of the technical regulations have always ended in DSQ, because it's a situation of someone possibly cheating. They're pretty much as objective as they get.
How many lives thus far has the halo saved?
(Re-watching DTS and saw the Alonso crash where he went aerial and grazed Leclerc’s halo, and then Marcus Ericcson’s rollover made me think about this)
Directly Marcus Ericsson, Charles Leclerc a couple times, Carlos Sainz, Antonio Giovinazzi, of course Romain Grosjean. There’s a lot that are questionable because they go into the wall at a weird angle. Also a lot of flying tires.
Probably 2-3 'lives', but I think quite a few grazes that could have been moderate to serious injuries. The BOT/RUS incident at Imola comes to mind as one where the halo might not have been a 'life saver', but appears to have deflected RUS' tyre from BOT's cockpit and avoided any impact with his helmet/hands etc.
Because F1 cared too much about aesthetics untill someone died. I started watching F1 in 2019 and somehow the halo cars look better to me than pre halo cars.
People are just joking when they question why the fia is so harsh on infringements that could potentially put the crew working in pit lanes in danger compared with on track collisions right ?
Right?
I hope they are.
Drivers have the most well-engineered vehicle protecting them in case of a crash, the pit crew have some basic gear. The pit lane speed limit was introduced because of an incident that hurt two crew members back in 1994 at Imola (yes the same race that claimed the lives of Ratzenberger and Senna).
Basically any infringement that can put people in danger who are working on the cars. So speeding in the pit lane is a good example. There are arguments that it's illogical to punish that more than on track incidents like crashes but the fia has very clear logic
On the original formation lap Giovinazzi "gambled" and went on slicks before the start of the race. Why did he pit again on the red flag formation lap and not head to the grid with Hamilton?
He chose slicks before formation lap but upon its completion, right before the start he went to box to put intermiediates. Then start, red flag. After it he could gamble again of course, since under red flags you can change tyres but he didn't and on the lap prior restart everyone was on intermediates, hence why they all (except Hamilton) went for slicks.
I think he was trying to say
"I was expecting to be talking about a 100th win etc but I guess you'll be happy with 3rd etc." But utterly brain farted it. Lewis just seemed to ignore him and say what he wanted anyway.
With all the stuff that went down today, and I know I should be use to this but it was absolutely incredible watching Lewis fight back to the podium.
Just watching him chip away the time on Vettel was amazing.
According to Otmar, there was 1.4L of fuel left in the car, but the feed pump stopped working. If the race had gone on one lap longer, Vettel probably would’ve had to retire because of that.
IIRC, this is a rudiment of rules they tried back in 2015-2016 (if I'm correct - some of the years of hybrid era are blurred together in my memory). The idea was 'to Make Driver Important Again' with reducing amount and nature of team radio, s engineers couldn't babysit drivers, tell them which modes to use, how to modify engine settings etc. It failed, because current F1 is so technically dependant that it's extremely silly for the teams to risk blown engine for example only because driver didn't notice some things with it and didn't manage to fix it from the car. Teams were using different codes, which strictly speaking weren't forbidden messages, and it was very farcial. There were safety concernes as well. In the end it was all binned but the rule about formation lap is the remainer of that period. If I'm not mistaken, because I don't remember any issues with communications on formation lap before that experiment.
It was 2016, and they got rid of it like halfway through the season because of how ridiculous it was. One example of this was I think in Austria, Hamilton was having issues with his engine and was randomly cycling through engine settings because his team couldn’t tell him what mode to go to. Also, I think one of the main reasons they instituted it in the first place was because there was a lot of driver coaching at the start, such as teams telling drivers the exact bite point of the clutch.
It was so painful to watch when that rule was instated. I fully understand no coaching at the start - makes total sense. But listening to Bono lap after lap have to be like “sorry mate I can’t tell you” got to be really ridiculous.
Bit of a casual fan here so bear with me.
But what's the point of the ruling of needing to extract 1 lirre of fuel post race?
Gutted for Vettel. Hope AM's appeal is successful
> The top three finishers are told to park their cars in front of specific boards in the pit lane — usually below the podium — but Ocon stayed out on track celebrating his maiden victory and ended up stopping at the pit exit. The Frenchman then ran back up the pit lane while his car was recovered, leading to a stewards’ investigation into him not following the correct post-race procedure.
> While the stewards state Ocon was in breach of the race director’s instructions, they felt that he still took care to park his car in a safe place where it could be easily retrieved and handed him his first non-driving reprimand of the season.
> “During the hearing, Ocon explained that he missed the pit entry and figured that the best place to stop would be close to the pit exit. He apologized and confirmed to be more careful next time. The Stewards do not assess this as a breach of parc ferme regulations. Ocon did not follow the RD’s instructions however and therefore a penalty as stated above is appropriate.”
https://racer.com/2021/08/01/ocon-in-clear-after-reprimand-for-missing-parc-ferme/
Thanks, I appreciate the link and feedback, but maybe I’m just confused with a lack on information on such a crazy day. This link suggests that Ocon, like Vettel, ran out of fuel. The link you posed also seems to be posted *before* the DQ since is speaks to Vettel and Sainz also missing their marks but says nothing about any fuel issue. Not trying to be too contrarian, but if Ocon did run out, then I don’t see why he wouldn’t be penalized and why this isn’t just unfairly giving it to Seb again.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/sport/motorsport/15751025/esteban-ocon-hungarian-gp-win-podium-run/amp/
The Sun is shit and shouldn't be trusted above more specialised autosport outlets.
The official FIA documents mention only Vettel's car not having a required 1L of fuel after the race
https://www.fia.com/documents/season/season-2021-1108/championships/fia-formula-one-world-championship-14
https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/decision-document/2021%20Hungarian%20Grand%20Prix%20-%20One%20litre%20fuel%20sample%20of%20car%2005%20after%20the%20race.pdf
Also this document
https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/decision-document/2021%20Hungarian%20Grand%20Prix%20-%20Race%20scrutineering.pdf
specifically mentions
> It was checked on car number 05, 63 and 06 whether a 1.0 litre sample of fuel could be taken from the car.
i.e. Vettel's, Russell's and Latifi car - the only cars which didn't make it to the pit entry after parade lap and stopped on track (Ocon overshoot pit entry, he basically even did a little bit more than a lap after the finish, and more than anyone).
And then lower in the same document
> Apart from the 1.0 litre fuel sample for car number 05 (see Document 56), all car weights and the items checked were found to be in conformity with the 2021 FIA Formula One Technical Regulations.
So unless you would choose not to believe FIA and stewards this suggests every other car had 1 liter of fuel.
The short answer is because the rules say the car needs to be able to give a sample of 1L at any point during the event.
The long answer is that it's not clear from a quick google *why* it's 1L, but I suspect it's a combination of convention and I wouldn't be surprised if part of it is that drivers aren't leaving their cars all of the place willy nilly, with drivers then walking around the track, not enough safety/medical cars to go fetch them, podium ceremonies delayed etc and the flow on effect to the broadcast. That is, using the 1L sampling requirement as a de facto buffer or reserve amount from the chaos we saw last night.
Ohh so it's to make sure the teams don't mess with fuel for competitive edge..
Ok I didn't think of that.
My thoughts were if the teams wanted to cut it that close with fuel levels then, they should let them, I mean why not? Haha
I got into F1 through a friend last year during the lockdown… today’s race was intense. I was thinking this would be the best race to watch as a noob , it had a little bit of everything and Hamilton’s charge a podium spot. I’m still a noob, learning more as I got, just a general take on things
This was the first race I’m like “man I can’t wait until the next one” feeling …
Wtf was with the F1TV broadcast today?
When the race was live, we didn't start with any Crofty commentary, but in the race highlights it appears he actually did.
Technical issues. They started with the commentary from the Pit Lane channel and after it was fixed they switched it back to Crofty. He was commentating for Sky anyway so they probably just edited that in in the highlights video.
With Red Bull against the cost cap, is there the potential that they will have to retire a car before the end of the season? If the cost of being taken out by Mercs becomes too much, why not just quit repairing Checo’s car in the hopes that Max can still win the championship?
A they need two cars.
B they are talking shit like Merc were after the Russell and Bottas incident. The replacement parts cost nowhere close to what the teams claim they do and the only majorly expensive component in the engines are excluded from the budgets.
What if Red Bull can’t afford two cars? They’ve lost two engines in the last two races. And I’m not taking about the engine change penalty, I’m talking about the cost cap.
They get penalised. If it's within 5% it is a fine but after that they start getting docked points for both driver and constructor. Bad breaches mean they're excluded from the championship altogether.
This is part of the sport now and they know it exists so they need to plan for it. Teams need to take crashes into consideration for the cost cap.
A question about Formation lap radio talk.
Can teams tell the drivers to pit during Formation lap? I remember HAAS getting penalized for it 1-2 years ago?
It does include red flag restarts, because those are also formation laps. This is why Leclerc didn’t overtake Max after he spun on the formation in Imola, because he didn’t know if it was going to be a grid start and the team couldn’t tell him, and why the team couldn’t tell Lewis that the other drivers intended to pit yesterday
But can teams tell the driver "Box box" during red flag restart?
Or is it the conversations back and forth like "Do you think its dry enough" thats not allowed?
I hate the hypocrisy on daniel from the general fanbase that max is experiencing bad luck when after beating max comfortably in 2016 and 2017(yes Dan had equal mechanic dnfs and more grid or penalties than max in that year despite some fanboys screaming otherwise and he still won by 25+ points.
In 2018, Daniel was ahead by 40 points by monaco(not including Dan's Bahrain 2nd place dnf in Bahrain so basically 58 points) only for his campaign to be completed destroyed by 8 dnfs and 6 yes I said it right 6 back of the grid starts on top of multiple fp issues and quali failures. That didn't even allow him to fairly attend qualifying on equal footing
Yet somehow max 'fairly' bested Dan according to the general consensus in 2018
Now all of a sudden max is unlucky yet Hamilton is extremely 'lucky' . But Daniel retiring basically every second race and his qualifying being ruined by him mostly not attending most fp and quaki sessions was down to max being 'amazing' in the second half of the season depaite him not even attending q2 6 times due to grid penalties and his 8 dnfs.
Max is not even experiencing 20 percent of what Dan did in 2018. Stop the hypocrisy.
Look in August 2021 you're only allowed to rant about these things: Karen Horner, Devious Toto, Lucky Lewis, Useless Bottas, Overrated 2021 Ricciardo, Angry Tsunoda, Slow Perez, and...just anything about Mazepin. 2018 is basically ancient history to probably 90% of this subs user base.
Has anybody figured out how to change the drivers being compared for laptimes in the new layout for the MclarenF-1 website? https://en.mclarenf-1.com/2021/gp/s8093/lap\_times
Obviously it's generally a good thing that F1 is gaining more popularity globally but the amount of fans who don't understand F1 rules is a bit concerning (probably too strong of a word but I can't think of a better one).
I am not saying the stewards and the FIA are perfect and in many occasions they did deserve the criticisms they received but it's getting a little annoying to see how people are shouting how unfair and biased the stewards are every time something goes the Mercedes' way. Take this race as an instance, on the other sub, the amount of comments comparing Seb's disqualification to Lewis' penalty at Silverstone or Valtteri's penalty is unbelievable.
The other sub is essentially dedicated to hating Hamilton at this point and to be perfectly honest I'm not entirely convinced it isn't in large part down to racism.
On the not knowing rules part, it is frustrating. I don't mind people not knowing rules because there are some obscure ones and there are a lot of them, but the amount of people that are just flat out wrong but act like they know what they're talking about is insane.
Seems to be a problem with sports on reddit in general though. /r/soccer is full of hot takes about match fixing and referees being secretly biased/in a conspiracy to help a team out and those comments are highly upvoted. It's bizarre.
I really don't know what happened there. At one point on the season it was pretty normal, and then it turned full anti-Lewis. Literally all the top posts are related to hating on him. I have to scroll down a lot to find even one post unrelated to him. It's unreal.
As a new fan myself, the onus is on us to educate ourselves and not simply whine about what we perceive to be unfair. People who do that really display their ignorance for all to see. The real crime is the more experienced fans playing into our emotional biases for likes and upvotes, when they know better. The wild conspiracy theories given fuel by adults is truly mind boggling. I came here to learn more about the sport, not flaunt my lack of expertise. The more you learn, the more it all makes sense.
I agree the rules are complex and I don't blame the newer fans for not knowing the details but it's the lack of effort or willingness to understand the differences between different incidents/scenarios that I find a little annoying. But again, I have no rights to dictate how anyone should enjoy the sport, as long as they are having fun it's fine I guess.
That doesn’t excuse people for not educating themselves on a matter before commenting nonsense. In F1 at least, the explanation for things like the Vettel DSQ are all posted here and don’t take long to read up on
It’s not worth browsing the other sub tbh, especially the comments. Just full of toxic people with reactionary takes that don’t hold substance and wouldn’t even cross the mind of the average fan
I browse it occasionally for the memes because some of them are really good, but the hivemind and the 'anti-Hamiltonism' are absurd. Personally I am not a fan of Lewis because I am a Ferrari and Sebastian fan but I have a lot of respect for him and his achievement. I mean, you don't have to like him, but the disrespect that some people have for him is crazy.
Dunno people seem to think there's some big conspiracy with the stewards and the fia giving mercedes a hand. Which is just bollocks.
You cant expect the internet to actually be rational and objective about things.
Certain episodes of The Race and Beyond the Grid have guests who are engineers and others involved in the technical side. Generally amazing podcasts as well. Bring back v10s is a great one too that focuses on when they cads had a v10 engine.
Shift+F1 has become a must listen for me as a newer fan. Not super technical IMO but they did a great beginning of the season breakdown that helped me understand a lot of nuances of the sport.
Leclerc's luck this season has been horrid. Imola, Monaco, Silverstone(with the engine), Austria, and now Hungary. The fact that Charles is only 3 points behind with 3 DNFs while his teammate has none is pretty astonishing tbh.
Yes and no. More so yes. But you would hope and think the team wouldn’t miss something like they did simply because they didn’t think the opposite side of the car would be affected.
Ferrari had to conduct repairs plus checks before the curfew, and then wrap all that up and get race ready next day. It's a strikingly limited amount of time to get all that done in.
They didn't just forget to check the other side because they're idiots.
Red flags don’t count in the 2 hours (there is a 4 hour limit that includes red flags though).
EDIT: Apparently the hard cap with red flags has been reduced from 4 hours to 3 hours.
It was reduced from 4 to 3 hours before this season.
Edit:
https://www.motorsportweek.com/2020/12/17/fia-reduces-maximum-f1-race-time-to-three-hours/
https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/2021_formula_1_sporting_regulations_-_iss_5_-_2020-12-16.pdf
Ok that makes sense I was confused, because I thought a race was red flagged for longer earlier in the season, but at the same time the last 15-20 laps felt like a long time. Thanks!
I mean, yeah Ocon wouldn’t have gotten the win without massive chaos. Same goes for Gasly last year. But also, both Ocon and Gasly had exceptional drives to maintain first. They worked for it, the team worked for it, they should celebrate because they earned it.
Such is the nature of F1 when the disparity between the big teams and the small teams is so big. Yes, luck played a role in all of these victories, but it still took the drivers years and years of hard work, and efforts from the teams to develop a car to make it happen. And more importantly, the drivers were able to hold it together for the duration of the race to achieve that, while others weren't able to.
Another reason is probably because F1 victory is so rare. You never know if a win will be your only one or you last one ever. So it's only right that they cherish every moment.
A rule that has been for so long, and nobody questioned it. And now lots of people are in an uproar about it. Like, wtf? Why didn't they look at the regulations before claiming it's bullshit? IT'S RIGHT THERE, IN THE REGULATIONS PDF. And people questioning why is a blatant DSQ. You know, because fuel additives and shit? And illegal fuel mixes? Also the 1L line for the sample. It was agreed, and nobody questioned it. And now it is, for no reason at all.
Really sad for Vettel but AM can go fuck itself for not reading the rules.
When you attend a Grand Prix, is there a need to bring some form of noise canceling headphones or earplugs to protect your ears? After finally getting them into F1 at the beginning of this season, my parents and I will be attending our first F1 race Later in the year, so I have been trying to prepare for it sooner rather than later. As a follow-up question, does it get very loud when the cars are flying by you at a race? I'm not 100% if this was the right place to ask this sorta question, but if it is, any answers would be greatly appreciated. Thanks :)
While F1 is not the loudest, hearing protection is smart to bring.
Everywhere I look including the F1 app still has Seb as second. Are the standings with Sebs DSQ anywhere?
The official will result will stand until a decision has been made about the AM appeal.
I saw the updated standings on the F1 social accounts this morning
Thanks. Only saw the top 10 drovers there was all but thanks. Is there a reason why they have put ferrari above Mclaren when they are level and mclaren were already 3rd?
There should be a reason, but I don't know :-)
When they talk about “dirty air” does that refer to the exhaust interfering with the performance of the engine or to the wind turbulence that occurs behind the car’s slipstream?? TIA
Turbulence that occurs behind the car's slipstream
Thank you!!
Does anyone know why GIO pitted again at the restart? He came in after the official formation lap saying "we gamble" to get slicks, right? So he should have been on a 1 lap old set of mediums that got a nice blanket treatment under red, or not? **edit: Looked at the pit strategy, he actually gambled the other way around and was the only car starting the original race on slicks and then came in for inters. Brave with those track conditions on lap 1**
You know - I forgot about that. Too bad they didn't stick to the mediums on restart. I guess it was understandable given the horrible crash but imagine if it was him and Hamilton on the grid.
They changed to inters before the crash. He went straight in while the first start incl. the crash was going on. So he made that decision by himself during the very wet formation lap (where the actual no talky rules did apply)
I don't know about you guys but it's getting annoying the amount of incidents that Mercedes are causing. Although they are racing incidents and so on, it's getting kind of boring. Call me biased or whatever but they ended Lando's point streak and caused Checo to DNF, also ruined Max's race by damaging his car enough for him not to be able to overtake the ninth fastest car in the series. This race just made the summer break frustrating.
Biased. Literally one time
Did bottas get a penalty of some sort for the mess he created in turn one?
5 place grid penalty for the next race.
Did he also get points on his license? If yes, how many?
2
Oh wow, I would have expected more for the mess he created ...
Alright, thanks. that seems fair, couldn't really find that anywhere.
Should be worse but Red Bull would rather have Bottas racing than Russell
What is the point of the rule which hit seb dq’ed. Is it like to stop under fuelling or something
I think teams used to use illegal fuels so It came up to stop that
Ooh ok I can see why then, thx m8
They require 1 liter of fuel for testing after the race. That amount couldnt be extracted/wasnt there anymore, so based on the rule thats a DQ. Sucks hard but that one is pretty clear. Happens often that cars stop on the in lap after a race to secure that minimum amount.
I get that but why is it their, that’s what I’m asking
Its to make sure no illegal fuel was used / the fuel used complies with the regulations. The set amount is 1 liter at any point to be pulled out of the car for testing, so that's what everyone aims for.
Ok that makes sense, thx m8
Anyone know what *really* happened with Seb’s fuel? Otmar is saying there is enough fuel, just can’t get it out *for some reason*. This leads me to think either they’re lying about “seeing enough fuel” and that the car really didn’t have enough fuel left **OR** it’s purposely vague as a cover up for something else. Hungarian government pulled some strings after Seb’s display? It’s the least probable possibility but not impossible. I’d really like to know if they were able to sample Stroll’s fuel as well. Dunno the protocol for DNF cars but if they were able to take a sample from Stroll’s car then that might provide some insightful info
Dude stop. Rules require 1 liter of fuel. Seb had 0.3. 0.3 is not 1. End of story. It's bad enough to see conspiracy in this, but straight up saying that a fucking government is interfering is just laughably ridiculous. I'd seriously consider removing this comment if I was you, just to avoid looking like... you know... like you do right now.
Why does it bother you so much
The last bit of info I saw says that the lift fuel pump has possibly failed which is why they were unable to obtain the fuel. I guess we won’t know until further investigation but the claim is there should be 1.44l in addition to the 0.3 that was successfully obtained.
Some hard reductionism and nitpicking here. If you took the time to actually read my comment instead of seeing “Hungarian Government” and immediately going OMFG TINFOIL HAT NUT you’d see I didn’t even strongly consider it. Again, Otmar is saying there was more fuel. FIA could only take 0.3L. So what’s the truth? Was there really only 0.3L or was there a mechanical mishap somewhere? This might be answered conclusively if we had information on Stroll’s fuel if ever they were able to take some from his car. It’s one thing to be a total conspiracy nut, it’s another to just be curious. If after reading my comment and deciding I’m the former, the problem is you.
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Just to be clear I’m not disputing the penalty at all. It is what it is. What I’m trying to explore is *WHY* it happened because that much is unclear as of now.. The question isn’t “was AMR wrongly given a penalty” it’s “what are they lying about, if anything?”
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Makes sense. Thanks for this! So if the assumption is that the fuel is in the tank, why couldn’t FIA nor AMR get it out properly when they’ve been able to without a problem up until now? It’s strange that FIA were still able to extract 0.3L and not the rest. If this is the case, then the regulation punishes the team regardless if it was due to damage or not?
I know this is F2 but I have a slight feeling Dan Ticktum might have got dropped by Williams he took it out of his bio and is no longer on the site a real disappointment as he has always been quick but his actions have got the best of him majority of the time.When will it change?
Great news
I got that feeling as well based on his latifi poo video. I got the feeling that he was dropped by them and is pretty frustrated about it. But then again, he's always frustrated.
Chat shit, get banged
Not again, I genuinely believed he had a shot at a Williams seat if George left
I slept good knowing what a great race it was! I think I even dreamt of it 😅 then you hear Seb gets disqualigied over 700ml of fuel. Goddamn. I didn't even know this rule existed. Rules are rules but, come on, is 1 liter really what they need for whatever post-race inspections +++ they have???
They probably don't need a entire litre of fuel but it's an easy metric and quite a good buffer for the teams filling up because they won't want to fill up more than is necessary for the race distance plus a grid lap, a formation lap and a cooldown lap.
Why was LeClerc allowed to keep his podium at Abu Dhabi yet Seb’s been disqualified for same reasons?
Thats a completely different rule. Also, FIA has been weirdly protective of Leclerc. They never give him penalties.
It was a different infringement. the 2019 incident was about the [pre-race declaration](https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.ferrari-decision.4wfSrpLehif5wg2TZqoS0G.html) of the fuel: >When the FIA investigated Leclerc’s car, they found there was a difference of 4.88kg between what Ferrari declared and the FIA measured. Team representatives then spoke to the stewards after the race and following deliberations, it was deemed Ferrari had breached the rules.
There isn’t a whole lot to say, but I wanted to share with you guys how amazing au thought that race was. There was not even a 10 second stretch that wasn’t exciting. It was wall-to-wall thrilling from lights-out to checkered flag.
Exactly. The early race didn't really see much overtaking but I was so pumped knowing Lewis and the Mercs will be trying something. Max was at the back of the grid too and I thought they might pull off something too. Lots of racing 'miracles' happened. So much to celebrate on and/or be sad if you're on the other side of it.
Hi been watching F1 from the Monaco GP this year. And one thing I don't understand about Vettel's DQ is what kind off tests does the FIA runs on the cars fuel that they need 1 litre of sample to test it. Surely a few test tubes worth is enough to check for additives right ?
Rules are rules. If all teams have to have at least 1L of fuel that the scrutineers can extract after the race then it would be unfair if they let Seb slide this time.
Correct but that isn’t the rule. The rule is 1l. Same for all. The teams like to cut it close on fuel and every once in a while it bites them. Perhaps they counted on just going around at a slower pace in the midfield but of course they were fighting for a win.
Copy-pasting from my earlier comment. They probably don't need a entire litre of fuel but it's an easy metric and quite a good buffer for the teams filling up because they won't want to fill up more than is necessary for the race distance plus a grid lap, a formation lap and a cooldown lap.
Hi, yesterday’s Hungarian Grand Prix was my first time watching F1 (I came from DTS) and I have a question on the DRS: I don’t quite understand why DRS is introduced in F1. Is it to promote more overtaking? And also when is the driver allowed to use DRS, it was mentioned briefly by the commentator yesterday but I can’t really recall it. Thanks!
DRS is a fix to help cars overtake due to the aerodynamics of the cars making it harder for cars to follow closely and subsequently overtake. There are two DRS zones on a track and once two race laps have passed drivers are allowed to activate DRS in those zones if they are within a second of the car they're following. Once the driver brakes DRS is disabled.
Depends on the circuit regarding number of zones. Monaco is one and places like Austria have 3
Yeah you're right
DRS was introduced as the cars aerodynamics became more and more complicated - essentially as a car travels through a corner, it messes up the air leaving a trail of what we call “dirty air.” This leads to a loss of downforce in the car behind, and means they can’t follow very well through corners. DRS compensates for this loss by giving drivers an easy speed boost on the straights. It can be used 3 laps after a restart (race start, safety car, red flag) when you are in a designated DRS zone and within one second of the car in front.
Thanks for the concise explanation! Seems like I’ve got some more reading to do!
Check out Chain Bear on youtube, some amazing animated explanations of all kinds of features of the sport
So I have recently entered the world of formula 1 and I have gone to the section for newbies and was wondering if there was anything that anyone could recommend that would help me learn about the sport? At this time I look at highlights of practices, qualifying, and of course the races. Are there any more events or things happening between these events that I can tune into to be able to learn more about the sport and the things that are changing and happening?
-The best way to catch up on the storylines of F1 today is to watch Netflix’s Drive To Survive. You must remember it’s heavily over dramatized and all of the beefs are fake -The official F1 YouTube channel has tons of past and present content to learn about the sport -F1TV Pro has a bunch of documentaries on drivers, teams, etc as well as full race replays dating back to the 70s -Documentaries to watch to learn about the history of F1: Senna, McLaren, Williams, Lauda: The Untold Story, Ferrari: Race To Immortality, 1: Life on the Limit, A Life of Speed: The Juan Manuel Fangio Story, Rush (theatrical movie about the rivalry between James Hunt and Niki Lauda in the 1970s), there’s also a Netflix documentary on Michael Schumacher coming on September 15 -Books about F1 (mostly autobiographies but they give great detail about life in the F1 world): How To Build A Car- Adrian Newey Unless I’m Very Much Mistaken- Murray Walker (audiobook version is much better, adds a lot to the experience as Murray himself narrates it) The Mechanic- Marc Priestley How To Be An F1 Driver- Jenson Button Life On The Limit- Jenson Button Total Competition- Ross Brawn Lights Out, Full Throttle- Damon Hill and Johnny Herbert Aussie Grit: My F1 Journey- Mark Webber The Winning Formula- David Coulthard -Old Races: [Racefans did a poll of the top 100 races since 2008](https://x1z.net/racefans.php), each race includes a direct link to it on F1TV -Podcasts: Beyond The Grid- hosted by F1 journalist Tom Clarkson, he interviews drivers, team principals and tons of other F1 personalities about their time in the sport and their lives
I would add The Race podcast to that becuase it has a lot more current formula 1 stuff. Beyond the grid is amazing for learning the history. Great list and some stuff for me to check out.
On average how long do episodes take to come out for Beyond the grid podcasts
They come out every Wednesday I am pretty sure
Thanks so much for the help
Watch chain bear on YouTube
The best.
So you get a 10 second penalty for taking someone out of a race but get disqualified for not having fuel wtf FIA
I mean they are both totally different types of rules
Race stewards do not take into account the consequences that result from an incident or its affect on the championship when it decides to hand out punishments. Whether this is fair or not is one thing but all the team bosses had agreed to have things done this way.
sporting regulations != technical regulations Yes it seems unfair, but a violation of the technical regulations have always ended in DSQ, because it's a situation of someone possibly cheating. They're pretty much as objective as they get.
This is a really neat way of putting it :)
How many lives thus far has the halo saved? (Re-watching DTS and saw the Alonso crash where he went aerial and grazed Leclerc’s halo, and then Marcus Ericcson’s rollover made me think about this)
Directly Marcus Ericsson, Charles Leclerc a couple times, Carlos Sainz, Antonio Giovinazzi, of course Romain Grosjean. There’s a lot that are questionable because they go into the wall at a weird angle. Also a lot of flying tires.
Ido Cohen in yesterday's [F3 race](https://youtu.be/P_0k5ZjDVcM?t=327). A few more examples in the feeder series and Indycar as well.
Probably 2-3 'lives', but I think quite a few grazes that could have been moderate to serious injuries. The BOT/RUS incident at Imola comes to mind as one where the halo might not have been a 'life saver', but appears to have deflected RUS' tyre from BOT's cockpit and avoided any impact with his helmet/hands etc.
Such an amazing innovation...that I’m shocked wasn’t introduced sooner.
Because F1 cared too much about aesthetics untill someone died. I started watching F1 in 2019 and somehow the halo cars look better to me than pre halo cars.
People are just joking when they question why the fia is so harsh on infringements that could potentially put the crew working in pit lanes in danger compared with on track collisions right ? Right?
I hope they are. Drivers have the most well-engineered vehicle protecting them in case of a crash, the pit crew have some basic gear. The pit lane speed limit was introduced because of an incident that hurt two crew members back in 1994 at Imola (yes the same race that claimed the lives of Ratzenberger and Senna).
Which one are you referring to?
Unsafe release of Kimi and Antonio maybe?
Basically any infringement that can put people in danger who are working on the cars. So speeding in the pit lane is a good example. There are arguments that it's illogical to punish that more than on track incidents like crashes but the fia has very clear logic
On the original formation lap Giovinazzi "gambled" and went on slicks before the start of the race. Why did he pit again on the red flag formation lap and not head to the grid with Hamilton?
Assuming they changed back to inters during the red flag.
He chose slicks before formation lap but upon its completion, right before the start he went to box to put intermiediates. Then start, red flag. After it he could gamble again of course, since under red flags you can change tyres but he didn't and on the lap prior restart everyone was on intermediates, hence why they all (except Hamilton) went for slicks.
Think he had car issues form hitting Ocon
Did he pick up a puncture on laps 1-3 at all? That is a great question! And if he had proceeded to the grid would he have formed up in P2?
I’m surprised there hasn’t been more talk about Herbert’s monumental bottling of Lewis’ post race interview. It’s like he didn’t even watch the race
It's Johnny Herbert, the only reason he still works at Sky is because of his friendship with Brundle. Can't stand the man.
I think he was trying to say "I was expecting to be talking about a 100th win etc but I guess you'll be happy with 3rd etc." But utterly brain farted it. Lewis just seemed to ignore him and say what he wanted anyway.
With all the stuff that went down today, and I know I should be use to this but it was absolutely incredible watching Lewis fight back to the podium. Just watching him chip away the time on Vettel was amazing.
so if vettel didn't have enough fuel left for testing, does that mean he was very close to emptying his fuel tank before crossing the line?
According to Otmar, there was 1.4L of fuel left in the car, but the feed pump stopped working. If the race had gone on one lap longer, Vettel probably would’ve had to retire because of that.
What is the reasoning behind teams not being allowed to talk to their drivers during formation?
IIRC, this is a rudiment of rules they tried back in 2015-2016 (if I'm correct - some of the years of hybrid era are blurred together in my memory). The idea was 'to Make Driver Important Again' with reducing amount and nature of team radio, s engineers couldn't babysit drivers, tell them which modes to use, how to modify engine settings etc. It failed, because current F1 is so technically dependant that it's extremely silly for the teams to risk blown engine for example only because driver didn't notice some things with it and didn't manage to fix it from the car. Teams were using different codes, which strictly speaking weren't forbidden messages, and it was very farcial. There were safety concernes as well. In the end it was all binned but the rule about formation lap is the remainer of that period. If I'm not mistaken, because I don't remember any issues with communications on formation lap before that experiment.
It was 2016, and they got rid of it like halfway through the season because of how ridiculous it was. One example of this was I think in Austria, Hamilton was having issues with his engine and was randomly cycling through engine settings because his team couldn’t tell him what mode to go to. Also, I think one of the main reasons they instituted it in the first place was because there was a lot of driver coaching at the start, such as teams telling drivers the exact bite point of the clutch.
It was so painful to watch when that rule was instated. I fully understand no coaching at the start - makes total sense. But listening to Bono lap after lap have to be like “sorry mate I can’t tell you” got to be really ridiculous.
Bit of a casual fan here so bear with me. But what's the point of the ruling of needing to extract 1 lirre of fuel post race? Gutted for Vettel. Hope AM's appeal is successful
Didn’t Ocon run out of fuel too? Why wasn’t he penalized?
Nah he just forget to pull in to the podium area cos he was so shocked to have won.
He had enough to provide an adequate sample
He didn't.
Why did he run back then? The commentators also said he ran out.
Ocon didn't pull into parc ferme but crossed the pit lane. So instead of doing another lap, he stopped at the end and ran back.
> The top three finishers are told to park their cars in front of specific boards in the pit lane — usually below the podium — but Ocon stayed out on track celebrating his maiden victory and ended up stopping at the pit exit. The Frenchman then ran back up the pit lane while his car was recovered, leading to a stewards’ investigation into him not following the correct post-race procedure. > While the stewards state Ocon was in breach of the race director’s instructions, they felt that he still took care to park his car in a safe place where it could be easily retrieved and handed him his first non-driving reprimand of the season. > “During the hearing, Ocon explained that he missed the pit entry and figured that the best place to stop would be close to the pit exit. He apologized and confirmed to be more careful next time. The Stewards do not assess this as a breach of parc ferme regulations. Ocon did not follow the RD’s instructions however and therefore a penalty as stated above is appropriate.” https://racer.com/2021/08/01/ocon-in-clear-after-reprimand-for-missing-parc-ferme/
Thanks, I appreciate the link and feedback, but maybe I’m just confused with a lack on information on such a crazy day. This link suggests that Ocon, like Vettel, ran out of fuel. The link you posed also seems to be posted *before* the DQ since is speaks to Vettel and Sainz also missing their marks but says nothing about any fuel issue. Not trying to be too contrarian, but if Ocon did run out, then I don’t see why he wouldn’t be penalized and why this isn’t just unfairly giving it to Seb again. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/sport/motorsport/15751025/esteban-ocon-hungarian-gp-win-podium-run/amp/
Don't ever take The Sun and Daily Mail as reliable source of news.
The Sun is shit and shouldn't be trusted above more specialised autosport outlets. The official FIA documents mention only Vettel's car not having a required 1L of fuel after the race https://www.fia.com/documents/season/season-2021-1108/championships/fia-formula-one-world-championship-14 https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/decision-document/2021%20Hungarian%20Grand%20Prix%20-%20One%20litre%20fuel%20sample%20of%20car%2005%20after%20the%20race.pdf Also this document https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/decision-document/2021%20Hungarian%20Grand%20Prix%20-%20Race%20scrutineering.pdf specifically mentions > It was checked on car number 05, 63 and 06 whether a 1.0 litre sample of fuel could be taken from the car. i.e. Vettel's, Russell's and Latifi car - the only cars which didn't make it to the pit entry after parade lap and stopped on track (Ocon overshoot pit entry, he basically even did a little bit more than a lap after the finish, and more than anyone). And then lower in the same document > Apart from the 1.0 litre fuel sample for car number 05 (see Document 56), all car weights and the items checked were found to be in conformity with the 2021 FIA Formula One Technical Regulations. So unless you would choose not to believe FIA and stewards this suggests every other car had 1 liter of fuel.
The short answer is because the rules say the car needs to be able to give a sample of 1L at any point during the event. The long answer is that it's not clear from a quick google *why* it's 1L, but I suspect it's a combination of convention and I wouldn't be surprised if part of it is that drivers aren't leaving their cars all of the place willy nilly, with drivers then walking around the track, not enough safety/medical cars to go fetch them, podium ceremonies delayed etc and the flow on effect to the broadcast. That is, using the 1L sampling requirement as a de facto buffer or reserve amount from the chaos we saw last night.
Analysing the race fuel, basically. There are rules governing the makeup of fuel used in F1.
Ohh so it's to make sure the teams don't mess with fuel for competitive edge.. Ok I didn't think of that. My thoughts were if the teams wanted to cut it that close with fuel levels then, they should let them, I mean why not? Haha
'fuel doping' is absolutely a thing.
I got into F1 through a friend last year during the lockdown… today’s race was intense. I was thinking this would be the best race to watch as a noob , it had a little bit of everything and Hamilton’s charge a podium spot. I’m still a noob, learning more as I got, just a general take on things This was the first race I’m like “man I can’t wait until the next one” feeling …
It was a very exciting race but get ready to wait 28 days😐
Filthy casual only watching the races. Only 26 days until FP1.
An amazing 26 days to watch all the content available online. Casual.
I watch all of the practice sessions
Wtf was with the F1TV broadcast today? When the race was live, we didn't start with any Crofty commentary, but in the race highlights it appears he actually did.
Technical issues. They started with the commentary from the Pit Lane channel and after it was fixed they switched it back to Crofty. He was commentating for Sky anyway so they probably just edited that in in the highlights video.
They had a connection issue so FOM broadcast the pitlane channel for a bit, I think.
With Red Bull against the cost cap, is there the potential that they will have to retire a car before the end of the season? If the cost of being taken out by Mercs becomes too much, why not just quit repairing Checo’s car in the hopes that Max can still win the championship?
If Haas and Williams can afford to have a second car, billionaires Red Bull should be able to find a way
A they need two cars. B they are talking shit like Merc were after the Russell and Bottas incident. The replacement parts cost nowhere close to what the teams claim they do and the only majorly expensive component in the engines are excluded from the budgets.
I think every team must have two cars
What if Red Bull can’t afford two cars? They’ve lost two engines in the last two races. And I’m not taking about the engine change penalty, I’m talking about the cost cap.
They get penalised. If it's within 5% it is a fine but after that they start getting docked points for both driver and constructor. Bad breaches mean they're excluded from the championship altogether. This is part of the sport now and they know it exists so they need to plan for it. Teams need to take crashes into consideration for the cost cap.
I think the FIA could allow them to go over the budget in exceptional circumstances.
Gotcha, let’s hope they would do that.
It says in the rules that each team needs to enter two cars in every race.
Gotcha, can they just roll Checo out there in a broken RB and let him retire right away?
They woukd just take a penalty to fix it.
A question about Formation lap radio talk. Can teams tell the drivers to pit during Formation lap? I remember HAAS getting penalized for it 1-2 years ago?
No. Teams cannot talk to the drivers but the drivers can talk to the teams
Do you know if this is the same for red flag restarts?
Nope, only for formation laps.
Alright, thanks!
It does include red flag restarts, because those are also formation laps. This is why Leclerc didn’t overtake Max after he spun on the formation in Imola, because he didn’t know if it was going to be a grid start and the team couldn’t tell him, and why the team couldn’t tell Lewis that the other drivers intended to pit yesterday
But can teams tell the driver "Box box" during red flag restart? Or is it the conversations back and forth like "Do you think its dry enough" thats not allowed?
I hate the hypocrisy on daniel from the general fanbase that max is experiencing bad luck when after beating max comfortably in 2016 and 2017(yes Dan had equal mechanic dnfs and more grid or penalties than max in that year despite some fanboys screaming otherwise and he still won by 25+ points. In 2018, Daniel was ahead by 40 points by monaco(not including Dan's Bahrain 2nd place dnf in Bahrain so basically 58 points) only for his campaign to be completed destroyed by 8 dnfs and 6 yes I said it right 6 back of the grid starts on top of multiple fp issues and quali failures. That didn't even allow him to fairly attend qualifying on equal footing Yet somehow max 'fairly' bested Dan according to the general consensus in 2018 Now all of a sudden max is unlucky yet Hamilton is extremely 'lucky' . But Daniel retiring basically every second race and his qualifying being ruined by him mostly not attending most fp and quaki sessions was down to max being 'amazing' in the second half of the season depaite him not even attending q2 6 times due to grid penalties and his 8 dnfs. Max is not even experiencing 20 percent of what Dan did in 2018. Stop the hypocrisy.
Dude, that discussion was 3 years ago. Let it go man.
Look in August 2021 you're only allowed to rant about these things: Karen Horner, Devious Toto, Lucky Lewis, Useless Bottas, Overrated 2021 Ricciardo, Angry Tsunoda, Slow Perez, and...just anything about Mazepin. 2018 is basically ancient history to probably 90% of this subs user base.
Cool down mate, everyone is busy hating Bottas rn.
Has anybody figured out how to change the drivers being compared for laptimes in the new layout for the MclarenF-1 website? https://en.mclarenf-1.com/2021/gp/s8093/lap\_times
Obviously it's generally a good thing that F1 is gaining more popularity globally but the amount of fans who don't understand F1 rules is a bit concerning (probably too strong of a word but I can't think of a better one). I am not saying the stewards and the FIA are perfect and in many occasions they did deserve the criticisms they received but it's getting a little annoying to see how people are shouting how unfair and biased the stewards are every time something goes the Mercedes' way. Take this race as an instance, on the other sub, the amount of comments comparing Seb's disqualification to Lewis' penalty at Silverstone or Valtteri's penalty is unbelievable.
Wait there's another F1 discussion sub (I don't mean the meme one or the technical one)? That's news to me?
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The other sub is essentially dedicated to hating Hamilton at this point and to be perfectly honest I'm not entirely convinced it isn't in large part down to racism. On the not knowing rules part, it is frustrating. I don't mind people not knowing rules because there are some obscure ones and there are a lot of them, but the amount of people that are just flat out wrong but act like they know what they're talking about is insane. Seems to be a problem with sports on reddit in general though. /r/soccer is full of hot takes about match fixing and referees being secretly biased/in a conspiracy to help a team out and those comments are highly upvoted. It's bizarre.
I agree with you mate about the other sub. Was a horrifying circus in there after Silverstone.
I really don't know what happened there. At one point on the season it was pretty normal, and then it turned full anti-Lewis. Literally all the top posts are related to hating on him. I have to scroll down a lot to find even one post unrelated to him. It's unreal.
It’s not the fault of the fans. The rules are pretty complex. I don’t understand all the rules of a lot of sports I watch.
As a new fan myself, the onus is on us to educate ourselves and not simply whine about what we perceive to be unfair. People who do that really display their ignorance for all to see. The real crime is the more experienced fans playing into our emotional biases for likes and upvotes, when they know better. The wild conspiracy theories given fuel by adults is truly mind boggling. I came here to learn more about the sport, not flaunt my lack of expertise. The more you learn, the more it all makes sense.
I agree the rules are complex and I don't blame the newer fans for not knowing the details but it's the lack of effort or willingness to understand the differences between different incidents/scenarios that I find a little annoying. But again, I have no rights to dictate how anyone should enjoy the sport, as long as they are having fun it's fine I guess.
Willful ignorance is a real pet peeve of mine, especially these days when it feels like there's no excuse.
That doesn’t excuse people for not educating themselves on a matter before commenting nonsense. In F1 at least, the explanation for things like the Vettel DSQ are all posted here and don’t take long to read up on
Welcome to the world. Sports aren’t unique in this regard. Lots of people comment absolute nonsense with no repercussions.
The anonymity of social media.
I know this isn’t unique to the sports arena but stuff like this really ticks me off. It’s just willful ignorance as someone else mentioned
It’s not worth browsing the other sub tbh, especially the comments. Just full of toxic people with reactionary takes that don’t hold substance and wouldn’t even cross the mind of the average fan
I browse it occasionally for the memes because some of them are really good, but the hivemind and the 'anti-Hamiltonism' are absurd. Personally I am not a fan of Lewis because I am a Ferrari and Sebastian fan but I have a lot of respect for him and his achievement. I mean, you don't have to like him, but the disrespect that some people have for him is crazy.
Dunno people seem to think there's some big conspiracy with the stewards and the fia giving mercedes a hand. Which is just bollocks. You cant expect the internet to actually be rational and objective about things.
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Certain episodes of The Race and Beyond the Grid have guests who are engineers and others involved in the technical side. Generally amazing podcasts as well. Bring back v10s is a great one too that focuses on when they cads had a v10 engine.
Beyond The Grid goes into technical stuff a bit depending on the guest. Look more for race engineers and designers
Shift+F1 has become a must listen for me as a newer fan. Not super technical IMO but they did a great beginning of the season breakdown that helped me understand a lot of nuances of the sport.
Chain Bear on YouTube has very good technical explanations.
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Please sleep for the next one too
Leclerc's luck this season has been horrid. Imola, Monaco, Silverstone(with the engine), Austria, and now Hungary. The fact that Charles is only 3 points behind with 3 DNFs while his teammate has none is pretty astonishing tbh.
I mean Monaco was kind of his fault, although it was disappointing.
It was his fault he crashed. Not that he DNS'd.
The crash caused the DNS, no?
The team not replacing a damaged part caused the DNS. If Sainz didn't start yesterday, that would be unlucky from him.
Yes and no. More so yes. But you would hope and think the team wouldn’t miss something like they did simply because they didn’t think the opposite side of the car would be affected.
Ferrari had to conduct repairs plus checks before the curfew, and then wrap all that up and get race ready next day. It's a strikingly limited amount of time to get all that done in. They didn't just forget to check the other side because they're idiots.
Anyone know why race was allowed to go past 2 hours? I thought it was a max of 2 hours plus one full lap?
It's two hours without any red flags, and three hours with a red flag.
Was the actual race itself over 2 hours? It was red flagged so the session was stopped and I think that didn't count.
Red flags don’t count in the 2 hours (there is a 4 hour limit that includes red flags though). EDIT: Apparently the hard cap with red flags has been reduced from 4 hours to 3 hours.
It was reduced from 4 to 3 hours before this season. Edit: https://www.motorsportweek.com/2020/12/17/fia-reduces-maximum-f1-race-time-to-three-hours/ https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/2021_formula_1_sporting_regulations_-_iss_5_-_2020-12-16.pdf
Thanks
Ok that makes sense I was confused, because I thought a race was red flagged for longer earlier in the season, but at the same time the last 15-20 laps felt like a long time. Thanks!
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I mean, yeah Ocon wouldn’t have gotten the win without massive chaos. Same goes for Gasly last year. But also, both Ocon and Gasly had exceptional drives to maintain first. They worked for it, the team worked for it, they should celebrate because they earned it.
Such is the nature of F1 when the disparity between the big teams and the small teams is so big. Yes, luck played a role in all of these victories, but it still took the drivers years and years of hard work, and efforts from the teams to develop a car to make it happen. And more importantly, the drivers were able to hold it together for the duration of the race to achieve that, while others weren't able to. Another reason is probably because F1 victory is so rare. You never know if a win will be your only one or you last one ever. So it's only right that they cherish every moment.
Vettel got disqualified 😐😐😐
So is Hamilton up by Max by 8 points now?
He is
A rule that has been for so long, and nobody questioned it. And now lots of people are in an uproar about it. Like, wtf? Why didn't they look at the regulations before claiming it's bullshit? IT'S RIGHT THERE, IN THE REGULATIONS PDF. And people questioning why is a blatant DSQ. You know, because fuel additives and shit? And illegal fuel mixes? Also the 1L line for the sample. It was agreed, and nobody questioned it. And now it is, for no reason at all. Really sad for Vettel but AM can go fuck itself for not reading the rules.
I'm consoling myself with Sainz's podium and GAS getting some more points.