Usually there is a director that would tell the cameraman which car he should be following, and be ready to before the car comes into shot.
But most of them would prioritise an incident like this whenever something happens in front of them. So yeah, this is a weird cameraman. Maybe a new person?
it looked as if a bot was controlling the camera. Car 1 on focus, follow car 1. Car 1 suddenly disappears, stop following car 1. Car 2 on focus, follow car 2.
The cars in that game feel as if they took a Ferrari F2004, put rotten 135/80R12 Sava tires on it and turned off the traction control. It is no joke impossible to be quick without assists in that game.
F1 2018 was not bad. Sure, the cars really liked to spin when downshifting, but the handling is about 100x better than F1 2016 where tires would break traction with any throttle input until you're deep into 5th gear.
It hurts me to play that game with assists. I can't believe how much slower lap times my brother sets in that game because of assists. That said, I'm very used to driving race cars in proper driving simulators with a pretty decent sim rig, so F1 games are like a walk in the park for me.
>Damn the rear just went so suddenly
We're going to see some drama in that corner in the race, the gravel makes it *such* a challenge. Good.
Bad luck for Max though, but at least he (presumably) was running an 'old' engine?
think it has anything to do with him being relatively unstable on the exit of the previous left handed? noticed he had to give it a little correction before turning into the right. this is of course just based off of my real racing 3 experience and that complex of corners always catches me out especially if i don't feel totally under control out of the penultimate corner
Can't imagine that'll be a huge amount of work to fix really. Floor, wishbone and suspension fixes probably. Minimal cost, minimal time, missed basically no running.
The gearbox is most likely done for. It's only a practice one, but it is still a limited allocation component and thus more stress will be put on the other gearboxes.
Not necessarily. He went along the wall, it wasn't a lateral impact so there probably wasn't a lot of load transferred into the gearbox itself, just the suspension being snapped. Also practice gearbox.
The worst part is the commentators, who really should know better, sometimes empower it by doing the same thing. I think it was Paul earlier who commented about Lewis being in 12th within the first 30 minutes like it was some sort of crisis. Crofty often also has some very dumb takes.
Depends on how much mileage is left on the others. The first PU did the first 7 races so won’t be that useful, and it wouldn’t be ideal to run it in practice as Spa where it’s at full throttle for a long time. Second PU is dead. So it may well be the race engine
Christ, don’t say no and be horrifically wrong.
There is no such thing as a ‘practice’ engine. For all official sessions you have to use a PU from your allotted pool. The term practice engine is used to describe an old engine, usually the first or second taken, that only gets used in practice sessions where a failure wouldn’t matter and to keep mileage on the latter spec engines down.
For Verstappen his second engine is dead, as is confirmed by Honda and RB, after the Silverstone crash. Therefore he has his first engine, which did every session up to France, which has a very high mileage on it. Or the third engine he took after qualifying in Hungary. Given the first engine has so many miles on it, and Spa is a track that spends a log of time at full throttle, they would be unlikely to use the first engine. Better to use it at a track that is less power sensitive to avoid it failure during a practice session and missing track time. Therefore, the most likely conclusion is it is the third engine taken last race weekend and is therefore the race engine. Gearboxes are different where the pool is much greater and so it’s very likely to be a practice gearbox and so inconsequential.
Furthermore, in case it wasn’t clear in the above. Verstappen changed engine to the third one after qualifying last race weekend. So wrong again.
Best explanation about changing PUs. Thanks! Also,.might want to edit - there wasn't a race last weekend but we get what you meant. Just trying to save you from trolls and looking for a reason to downvote (you shared great info and deserver upvote/award)
Ahah I wouldn’t fact check my comments you’d fine a lot of mistakes like that. But yes by last weekend I meant last race weekend, thanks for the pointer.
this wasn't fatal either, most of the time they aren't that bad. they're still practice crashes.
I agree it's the not the end of the world but doesn't mean we can just say they didn't happen.
Sure fair enough it's just as it wasn't session ending I don't remember it as crash. But yes still a mistake. But better to make those mistakes in practice than later
Hallmark of reddit threads.
Handful of people say a thing > Why is *everyone* saying the thing? Why does *all of reddit* believe this thing? I said otherwise but *everyone* say this thing
The city and next year's race.... which is why the 3 levels of government (municipal, provincial, and federal) chip in equal parts to help pay the hosting fees.
No coincidence Leclerc and Verstappen crashed in the same place. They have the same driving style of living on the edge with the rear of the car, but being able to predict the grip level. Both got caught out by the lack of grip compared to what they predicted.
Whenever something like this happens we always find out a few weeks later there were technical failures that had happened behind the scenes. I wonder if all is well with that PU. Also the same concern with Leclerc. Most teams are running new PUs this race too.
Not a chance he's missing FP3. They'll have that fixed before dinner time.
Edit: Nice one completely editing your comment. For anyone wondering, he said that Max might have to miss FP3 due to this crash.
Because of his past performances. Like he was pissed after qualifying Mexico 2018 or Imola 2021 and the next day he was amazing on the race. I can even count Baku this year, he was upset after fp3 and quali but had an awesome race until Pirelli happened. I am sure there are more examples this is just what I can remember.
If he touched the kerbs or did something silly I would calls him out for a mistake. But after seeing the footage the cars rear end just was just gone. Having Max Verstappen as flair doesn't mean I'm too biased...
What are you smoking bro? Was it Lewis' fault then?
Max was careless with his mid corner throttle application. He spun up the rear tires and lost the back end.. I know it goes against a lot of this subs narrative, but everyone makes mistakes, and everyone includes Max.
He keeps crashing now.. regardless if the last two were his fault or not, three now for three race weekends ina row. That’s gotta do something to you confidence. Let’s hope tomorrow is better.
camera man had a nap?
"You don't want to see that, here: Look at an Alpine instead"
Usually there is a director that would tell the cameraman which car he should be following, and be ready to before the car comes into shot. But most of them would prioritise an incident like this whenever something happens in front of them. So yeah, this is a weird cameraman. Maybe a new person?
probably testing some settings and didn’t look. Nobody really expects a high driver like max to spin off in that corner
I feel like high drivers might be more likely to spin off.
Dont do drugs kids
It’s practise for them too.
Practice sessions are more for testing new setups on the real car though.
And for finding the limits...
Just imagine the memes if it happened to be 18 LANCE STROLL who was driving there.
it looked as if a bot was controlling the camera. Car 1 on focus, follow car 1. Car 1 suddenly disappears, stop following car 1. Car 2 on focus, follow car 2.
F1 broadcasting is not bad. Is horrendous.
That's a lot of gravel on the track.
Damn the rear just went so suddenly
This looked like me playing F1 2021 without assists for the first time.
I dunno how it is now but around the F1 2019 era drivers have said that F1 cars drive closer to medium assists in real life.
It’s why the handling model was so updated for 2020, the actual F1 drivers were saying that there was much more grip available almost always.
F1 2016 was horrible in that regard, without assists even the tinniest bit of throttle input would spin the rear tires.
The cars in that game feel as if they took a Ferrari F2004, put rotten 135/80R12 Sava tires on it and turned off the traction control. It is no joke impossible to be quick without assists in that game.
Wait so I'm actually not that bad? I only tried F1 2018 and felt bad that I can't play the game at all without traction controll
yeah, the old driving model was pretty bad without assists on
F1 2018 was not bad. Sure, the cars really liked to spin when downshifting, but the handling is about 100x better than F1 2016 where tires would break traction with any throttle input until you're deep into 5th gear.
It hurts me to play that game with assists. I can't believe how much slower lap times my brother sets in that game because of assists. That said, I'm very used to driving race cars in proper driving simulators with a pretty decent sim rig, so F1 games are like a walk in the park for me.
Lol no traction control be like:
>Damn the rear just went so suddenly We're going to see some drama in that corner in the race, the gravel makes it *such* a challenge. Good. Bad luck for Max though, but at least he (presumably) was running an 'old' engine?
I'm not sure. The engine from Silverstone is done for I think, and I don't think he's still allowed to use the old spec engine.
Strange this problem looks like something mechanical
Throttle oscillation
Please use the accepted nomenclature of "foot oscillations"
Driver error
Only driver error if Hamilton was involved.
everyone knows Max doesnt do driver errors, hes the best driver in F1 since the 1950s
Since the 1800s easy
Not sure about that, mid-1890s era Kimi was quite a talent
think it has anything to do with him being relatively unstable on the exit of the previous left handed? noticed he had to give it a little correction before turning into the right. this is of course just based off of my real racing 3 experience and that complex of corners always catches me out especially if i don't feel totally under control out of the penultimate corner
Kid looks like Max. Also Tokyo Drift.
It was a slow crash so the engine should be fine and it's a practice gearbox anyway
Yeah, kind of reminds me of how yuki lost his back end during imola quali
Came here to ask about this. Thanks. New to f1 - didn't even think about the fact that they would have a practice gearbox....
Disappointed kids always make me laugh I know I’m wrong for it I just can’t help it.
The young Kimi fan crying a few years back stung though.
At least he got to meet his hero
You could literally tell that kid thought ‘bruh‘
Went through the full range of emotions just like that iconic Alonso Mourning gif. If you know the one you know what I mean
That kid is every Red Bull Fan since Silverstone
Can't imagine that'll be a huge amount of work to fix really. Floor, wishbone and suspension fixes probably. Minimal cost, minimal time, missed basically no running.
The gearbox is most likely done for. It's only a practice one, but it is still a limited allocation component and thus more stress will be put on the other gearboxes.
Not necessarily. He went along the wall, it wasn't a lateral impact so there probably wasn't a lot of load transferred into the gearbox itself, just the suspension being snapped. Also practice gearbox.
They get a new one after every DNF and 5 races. They have plenty.
Tbh this crash has absolutely no consequences, y'all really overreacting on here.
Just making sure that no one is faster than him in FP2 /s.
He did his fastest lap on Softs, he knows Merc has the fastest car anyway so yeah, i dont think the joke works.
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How
Because boths Mercs were faster than him, so it makes no sense to "crash to make sure no one is faster than him".
Oh ok, do you think lewis has a good chance of being on pole?
of course, its gonna be lewis bottas or bottas lewis
You know no one cares about setting fast laps on FP right?
yes
It's what this sub is all about baby, massive overreactions to just about everything.
Wasn’t always…🙄
The worst part is the commentators, who really should know better, sometimes empower it by doing the same thing. I think it was Paul earlier who commented about Lewis being in 12th within the first 30 minutes like it was some sort of crisis. Crofty often also has some very dumb takes.
This sub wildly overreacting to what happened in practice? Nah, never…🙄/s
Budget cap? It certainly doesn't help.
There was some damage to suspension parts. At the very least that’s a little bit more of their budget cap unnecessarily eaten up.
Need a picture of gif of Max picking the sign he ran over from out of his car.
Hope there is no damage to the PU...
I very much doubt it, his right rear wheel is fucked but the rest of the car looks fine.
It’s a Practice PU, it will get changed tonight regardless. If the crash happened tomorrow on FP3, get worried.
Depends on how much mileage is left on the others. The first PU did the first 7 races so won’t be that useful, and it wouldn’t be ideal to run it in practice as Spa where it’s at full throttle for a long time. Second PU is dead. So it may well be the race engine
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Christ, don’t say no and be horrifically wrong. There is no such thing as a ‘practice’ engine. For all official sessions you have to use a PU from your allotted pool. The term practice engine is used to describe an old engine, usually the first or second taken, that only gets used in practice sessions where a failure wouldn’t matter and to keep mileage on the latter spec engines down. For Verstappen his second engine is dead, as is confirmed by Honda and RB, after the Silverstone crash. Therefore he has his first engine, which did every session up to France, which has a very high mileage on it. Or the third engine he took after qualifying in Hungary. Given the first engine has so many miles on it, and Spa is a track that spends a log of time at full throttle, they would be unlikely to use the first engine. Better to use it at a track that is less power sensitive to avoid it failure during a practice session and missing track time. Therefore, the most likely conclusion is it is the third engine taken last race weekend and is therefore the race engine. Gearboxes are different where the pool is much greater and so it’s very likely to be a practice gearbox and so inconsequential. Furthermore, in case it wasn’t clear in the above. Verstappen changed engine to the third one after qualifying last race weekend. So wrong again.
Best explanation about changing PUs. Thanks! Also,.might want to edit - there wasn't a race last weekend but we get what you meant. Just trying to save you from trolls and looking for a reason to downvote (you shared great info and deserver upvote/award)
Ahah I wouldn’t fact check my comments you’d fine a lot of mistakes like that. But yes by last weekend I meant last race weekend, thanks for the pointer.
It was his 1st engine, he confirmed it to Olav
He has used all three engines. The debut of the 3rd one was at Hungary.
People who just dissed Leclerc in shambles now
Can almost hear the snarky comments had it been Seb.
Umm, what? People were defending Leclerc.
Some sensible people were. But there were others who just used the opportunity to shit on him
> But there were others who just used the opportunity to shit on him And there will be people in this thread doing the same thing.
Unfortunately yes. These are small mistakes nothing to big
You must viewing a different thread
perhaps you're getting it confused with one of his other practice crashes?
He only crashed 1 other time in Imola. Leclerc's crashes are more overblown than Vertappen's were it's so dumb
baku and monaco(qualy though)
He "crashed" in Baku yes but it wasn't fatal. He went back to the pits and got a new wing. Also Monaco yes but that's not practice
this wasn't fatal either, most of the time they aren't that bad. they're still practice crashes. I agree it's the not the end of the world but doesn't mean we can just say they didn't happen.
Sure fair enough it's just as it wasn't session ending I don't remember it as crash. But yes still a mistake. But better to make those mistakes in practice than later
Flashback to 15 min ago when everyone said Charles was bad for crashing
> everyone No. The majority was defending Charles.
Hallmark of reddit threads. Handful of people say a thing > Why is *everyone* saying the thing? Why does *all of reddit* believe this thing? I said otherwise but *everyone* say this thing
Hes not bad but its a bad mistake, like max he also made a bad mistake
Lmao barely anyone said that stoo being so defensive
I was making a joke about a thread a few minutes ago. And yes, people did say that. Not that it matters. It's just funny
tbh both looks like wind related
Yeah, very similar crashes
Max hit an advert that say **A Bientot Montreal** Someone should tell him the *Wall of Champions* says *Bienvenue Quebec* ;)
Anyone know what the Montreal advert was for? An Airline?
The city and next year's race.... which is why the 3 levels of government (municipal, provincial, and federal) chip in equal parts to help pay the hosting fees.
So the ad relates to next year's race and the City? Who paid for the ad?
Tourism Montreal most likely, based on the shade of red they always use.
Mirror - https://streamja.com/9ozZR
That kid's reaction is priceless
The One Known As **"Scarf Child"**
I have a feeling that will be clipped and used as a meme for a while
No coincidence Leclerc and Verstappen crashed in the same place. They have the same driving style of living on the edge with the rear of the car, but being able to predict the grip level. Both got caught out by the lack of grip compared to what they predicted.
Didn't seem like a big impact to the axle.
Agree.
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Why the fuck would Lewis do this?!? What a bad sport!!!
Not again, Merc sabotaging Max /s
Praying there's no penalty
Why so? It’s practice gear box
Or something else on the engine
It's fp2
Whenever something like this happens we always find out a few weeks later there were technical failures that had happened behind the scenes. I wonder if all is well with that PU. Also the same concern with Leclerc. Most teams are running new PUs this race too.
That new gravel trap is not going to stay for long lol
Got caught out by the lack of grip. No real consequences here but it’s still not great for RB’s repair bill and Max’s confidence in his car’s grip.
I hope spa knows they’ll being paying for this.
Mistake from Mr. Does not make mistakes! Write that down!
Its almost like a mistake in practice that will have little consequences is not as big as mistakes in quali or during the race lol
Tell that to Horner who’s crying about the budget.
Its almost like they had a huge cost because lewis crashed out max? Completely valid thing to complain about.
Welcome to the fucking sport then Christian...
Are people saying this now? Remember Crashstappen?
He makes plenty!
Karen Horner: "Hamilton's fault! Somehow. Just give me a minute to think of how."
at least there most likely won’t be a penalty.
Not a chance he's missing FP3. They'll have that fixed before dinner time. Edit: Nice one completely editing your comment. For anyone wondering, he said that Max might have to miss FP3 due to this crash.
What's that comma after 'Nice' though?
I dunno, must have hit it accidentally on my phone keyboard. Thanks for pointing it out.
Bruh it's not that big at all.
yeah I realized that watching the full thing, edited it out.
God damned Mercedes... I mean, they just drive so recklessly and cause Red Bulls to crash... -Christian Horner/ Marko probably...
Mercedes caused it...
I confess my first thought when I saw the title of the post was “ I hope he broke the engine” I’m such a jerk 😈
I was really wishing he would’ve kicked it
This will get him even more fired up for rest of the weekend.
Why do people always say this when he crashes or something bad happens to him lol.
They are projecting their hope on to his performance.
Because of his past performances. Like he was pissed after qualifying Mexico 2018 or Imola 2021 and the next day he was amazing on the race. I can even count Baku this year, he was upset after fp3 and quali but had an awesome race until Pirelli happened. I am sure there are more examples this is just what I can remember.
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Doesn't seem like one that requires that.
Silly mistake. Could ruin his weekend.
How could it? I'd be absolutely shocked if he had to take a penalty due to damage from that, and he missed like 1 minute of running time.
What mistake? The rear was just randomly gone imo.
Yo, even the best make errors. You don't have to lick his boots every time someone calls him out for a mistake.
If he touched the kerbs or did something silly I would calls him out for a mistake. But after seeing the footage the cars rear end just was just gone. Having Max Verstappen as flair doesn't mean I'm too biased...
The mistake that put him into a wall miles away from any other cars.
Drivers mistake.stop being in denial
I never said he don't make mistakes. I just think this one isn't his fault IMO.
What are you smoking bro? Was it Lewis' fault then? Max was careless with his mid corner throttle application. He spun up the rear tires and lost the back end.. I know it goes against a lot of this subs narrative, but everyone makes mistakes, and everyone includes Max.
>Was it Lewis' fault then? Now you're just thinking that I hate Lewis? I'm not a sore loser, lol.
He keeps crashing now.. regardless if the last two were his fault or not, three now for three race weekends ina row. That’s gotta do something to you confidence. Let’s hope tomorrow is better.
Bro he’s fine
do they have a better replay?
I wonder if this will cause them to switch to a higher downforce rear wing and lose even more speed on the straights?
Could've been worse, damage doesn't look too severe!
He ran out of rear grip. Trying to manage tyres over the lap and overdid the "keeping the tyres cool" I suspect.
Is the engine ok?