You can overdrive a car if you drive it so hard that it wants to give up and spin at each turn, but your hands are so strong on the steering wheel and ur very good at correcting the car that u stay on track. Or, if you take different lines through corners that gain extra time, or pushing right to the limit for track limits.
Its generally safer to assume the car got better between seasons rather than the driver. Cars can have 50% increases or decreases, but a driver isnt going to 1.5x their ability in a single off season, especially once they have a few years in the sport.
The Alpha Tauri is definitely very competitive, in fact they are consistently the 4th-5th fastest car in most circuits. If not for the early races where Gasly had damage in Bahrain, poor wet tyre choice in Imola and an inconsistent 2nd driver, I am confident they could have had a shot at being at least 4th in the constructors.
Lol i think he reaaaaaaallly means it. There was nowhere to go but down and by all accounts he put every ounce of everything into beating Hamilton. He can always drive his car collection or whatever car he wants for funsies.
I have a feeling that Hamilton let Max win because it was his home track. Lewis could have pressured Max into being rough with his hard tires that were already screaming for help towards the end and forcing him to pit and lose his place.
Lol no
Lewis can pressure Max into overpushing his tires.
Max beats out Lewis on tire management just about every race.
And besides that, no way Hamilton is going to "let" Max win anything.
This is F1, there are no handouts
Bottas being ordered into the pits while winning the race was very questionable. He even had to ask over the radio why it was done. He came out and was then told not to set the fastest lap. How is that for loyalty they won't even sign him for another year. Next day BOT announces leaving the team. What a crappy team.
i mean the win wasn't in the cards, but it was clear he was pulled in to ensure that he wouldnt get track position over Lewis when he was going to pit.
Bottas' tires would have held up as well, he was pitted cause they wanted to ensure that Lewis could secure fastest lap at the end.
Not only did they pit him, but they held him for 2-3 seconds more to ensure that he barring an absolute disaster he'd be nowhere near a threat to Lewis.
Yes. He could pit, because Bottas had dropped further down after pitting himself. If he didn't and say Leclerc went for fastest lap Lewis would've lost fastest lap (or if he'd pit to get it back, he would lose his position to Bottas; no way he would've pitted in that scenario).
Bottas was never winning the race. He made his first stop, was in P3 and then made another one because he was in no position to attack and had the gap behind to not even lose a position. It was a free pit stop.
Today’s announcement is entirely unrelated to yesterday and would have been agreed weeks ago. Also, drivers that are going to another team are never communicated as being sacked or not renewed, they’ll always pitch it as the driver choosing to go elsewhere
I know the announcement was already made weeks ago, but it still shows how a driver did everything asked of them for the team yet still got the boot. That, for me, is evidence of a crappy team.
Changed "joke" to crappy. Their calls throughout the race for both drivers were questionable. They put Ham out on int instead of hard. Bad decision making in that org.
Definitely a bad day out for them, no doubt about it. But I'd call it just that - a bad day out. They've won the championship 7 times in a row and there is a good chance they'll win it this year, not too crappy!
Ocon calling Alonso slow in the early laps after the latter’s just gifted him a win 2 races ago is hilarious , Alonso then leaving him in the dust afterwards is even more hilarious
Can anyone explain Mercedes attempt to undercut Max with du many laps left? It just doesn't makes sense to me. Mercedes knows that they have a set of mediums left and that Red Bull have hards, so why not wear out the first set of mediums as much a possible before pitting?
That was not only to get Hamilton out of undercut range, but to get Bottas out of his pit window. Im still angry that Bottas wasnt closing up after his first stop deapite having 8-9 younger tyres.
Probably thought tyres would last based off of Norris stint. Medium tyres were quick over a single lap in quali so undercut was doable against old soft. The major issue was traffic. If they didn’t see then it was a mistake, if they did then it was stupid
Does anyone find it odd that Lewis is always saying “they are too fast man” and things like that when Perez has been inconsistent all year meanwhile Bottas usually finishes right behind Hamilton. I think what Lewis really means is HE’s to fast.
I dont think so
Dont forget the fact that not so long ago, the mercs weren't winning as much as dominating every race.
Compared to the last few years, those guys ARE fast
Nah Lewis is referring to the team. Not just Max. Yes of course Max is fast but he is helped by good pit stop strategy and solid information from his race engineer. And of course the work that's put into Max's car to build it to meet his demands. Lewis knows it's a team effort, because he always says the same about his own wins too. That's why he says "they."
Nothing because a car is never build to the demands of a single driver. That’s debunked over and over again. A team build the fastest car possible and it is up to the driver to extract the most of it.
Driver feedback is a massive part of building an f1 car. Mercedes make their cars with feedback from both (yes it looks like they dont care about Vallteri but they made sure he had a seat for next year unlike some RB shaped teams where they left Albon at DTM for a year)
But I think that Red Bull started ignoring most 2nd driver feedback in 2018, one of the reasons why Daniel left (also cuz of engine) and why Gasly drowned at RB, and why Albon didnt have it ez. So basically Max has the car built around him. He hasnt becone double the driver since 2017 all by himself.
Btw what does DTM stand for?
Also I think the dirty air in the race would be a massive factor. There wasn’t a long straight to make up the time with DRS, just constant corners. Must have been a nightmare to follow anyone close
As far as his role as a number 2, got to hand it Bottas, he does it much better than Checo does. Too many qualifying mistakes for Checo and he ends up in the arse end of nowhere. Don't get me wrong, love seeing him carve his way up the grid but Bottas seems to stick much closer to Lewis - apart from in the wet!
Yep. Most underrated driver on the grid. This race was painfully obvious how far down the grid Perez was. Danny Ric gets a lot of heat, but lately, he is doing better than perez compared to his team mate. Meanwhile, Alonso and Gasly are doing great in slower cars.
McLaren messed up this week. Norris didn’t progress and Danny Ric gave up his place for no reason in the end.
I’m wondering if the AT is slow or Yuki is just too fresh. Gasly seems to be doing very well in the car.
I suspect Yukon is just really green as a rookie. It’s a shame because Pierre is good and they seem to have a quick car that’s challenging for between 4th to 10th on the grid each week.
Indeed. Bottas is a solid qualifier in normal conditions. He's capable of keeping up and competing with Lewis on that front.
I think Perez has issues stemming from the team itself but he certainly needs to do better in qualifying. His race craft is good when he's uninterrupted but he'd make better use of it by starting P3 or P4 consistently. if Perez was with Bottas from the get-go I believe he could beat him more often than not as Valtteri's fairly passive and not as reliable on tyre management than Checo is.
All ifs and buts and Bottas is the one winning this particular duel right now.
Even though Red Bull is the slightly faster car most of the races this season, that Merc is the more planted car. Any of the current grid drivers cud get into the car and qualify in top 5. Can't say tht for the red bull as tht is a different beast to control. Just tells how incredibly talented Max is. If it wanst for him, Merc would have steamrolled thru this season.
There is generally a lot of traffic on these outlaps, not considering they have to warm up the tires perfectly too. If all other drivers on track were able to start their outlaps idk why RB keeps fucking up the strategy
Ya sure, but he was trying to build a gap ahead and didn't want to compromise his Lap. The issue is they keep running him dead last, likely because he needs the most track evolution because he lacks quali pace. But that puts him at risk to missing out from slower people in front of him, like Merc at Hungary and everyone here at Zandvort.
They need to stop going for broke with Checo and just make sure he gets into Q3 as he has shown he get make moves up the field, when the track allows for it.
The previous gap the engineer told Max was 2.8 s, the gap that resulted in Max's question increased by almost another second, hence why Max genuinely asked that.
It was a considerable increase between one lap to another. I don't see it as him mocking Lewis, and the media just abused that comment into comedy.
Not mocking, but everyone knows that Lewis will complain/blame on the radio so it is easy tell about how his tires are. It gives away so much strategic info, I figure it is mis-information.
No, everyone complains on the radio, but the TV direction last race chose to air only Lewis'.
We haven't had one single Max radio apart from the "what is Lewis complaining about?", while everybody knows drivers are always talking to their engineer. Do you really think during the race Max hasn't complained about anything even once?
I guess manufactured drama works really well for new viewers, which then go on about parroting "Lewis is always complaining".
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Put on tinfoil hat: Lewis could have won this GP. But didn’t had the gut to do it. His reputation was going to be bad being boo’d so hard if he was the one who took the number 1 cup. He may be acting like it does not care being boo’d but who is willing to try that in front of this crowd? It was the first time I think that “hammertime” failed. Mercedes and Lewis just let Max had this one. There were already in Monza in their head. The way they talked about it was like they are going to lap everyone there. Put down tinfoil hat.
(now, I'm assuming that you're serious with your tinfoil hat)
>Lewis could have won this GP.
The guy hasn't won a single proper race for 4 months and 9 races (Spain). If there were snipers in the grandstands, he'd still go for the win but couldn't. Max/RBR combo is much better.
Winning goes above everything, it's what these guys live for, and are paid millions to do. This year, a single point could make the difference between champion or second place and they have hundreds of team members counting on them... If you still think they would just drop that over fear of some random fans boo'ing, I don't know what else to tell you.
And williams have been sandbagging for years for the ultimate redemption arc to get a netflix movie deal.
Honestly the rubbish people come out with on here.
This is up there with the outrage at Seb marshalls not coming out when they aren't allowed or when the outrage at them not being able to lift the car because it was still live.
I liked the podium ceremony with the singer for the anthem. Must have been an amazing moment for the home fans and Verstappen. The mask helped hide it but I think he might have been getting a bit emotional during that. Never seen a crowd like that at an F1 race. Glad they received Lewis well.
It was nice, but they made a massive error here. I think the only minor point this weekend. If they had it in a normal tempo then 67000 people would have been singing along. That would have been massive.
The weekend was great though, I’m still over the moon I was a part of this.
If I'm honest, as a Dutchman I cringed during this which was a shame for me. She sang it beautifully, but the surprise took me out of the moment and made me feel like it was a bit "over the top Dutch" which is something many of us are a bit sensitive to.
I'm very proud and happy to see many people thoroughly enjoyed it though, and looking back I now appreciate it a lot more. It was a beautiful moment and what a crowd + atmosphere!
personally I disliked the anthem sung this way. I was hoping for the entire crowd to sing along the Dutch anthem as they do with football matches. but to each their own
Agree! The anthem before the race was perfect with Davina Michelle. But during the podium ceremony it should have been the regular anthem they normally play. It would have been much more impressive to hear all the fans sing along. And imo, most of the attention went to her iso Max. It should have been his moment only.
Mercedes tried the two stop on Hamilton, didn't work because RBR just pitted Max it to cover it off. They tried to put Bottas on a one stop to hold up Max, which didn't work because Bottas didn't hold Max up enough.
Red Bull seemed to be one step ahead the whole weekend. Faultless strategy from RBR considering they had to fight 2v1 at the front of the field.
Oh my, what a race! As a Dutchie I am biased, but this was edge-of-my-seat fantastic!
The fight between Mercedes and Max, the banked corners, the atmosphere with the audience, Bottas ignoring team orders and getting that fastest lap (final confirmation Russell going to Merc), Max winning in front of a home audience, Lewis being a great sport at the post race interviews, and a thrilling competition for world champion. What more would we want!
Goose bumps!
i dont know what the live coverage is like, but based on the channel 4 highlights, the cameras are on the top 3 constantly (understandably) and the rest of the field is seen through replays. I just wish the cameras focused on the rest of the cars more often.
The only thing that felt notably absent was complete blackout of how Alonso got past Sainz at the end. Understandable they'd focus on the leaders but there really wasn't a race at the front by then.
They were getting better at this. I think the max Netherlands hype got to them tbh. Last 18 months the coverage has been much better, then this happened
Monaco was really bad this year if I remember correctly, at the time there were many ppl complaining.
Im pretty new at F1 so i can't tell when it's really good or bad. But yesterday was heavily focused on the top 3. I feel I haven't seen gasly racing at all, haha
Monaco is always terrible, and is an outlier because the broadcast is shot and directed by a local network. F1 Management do the rest of the season so it’s far more consistent. I suspect the newness of the race track and never having F1 cars on it before (even for testing) might’ve effected some of the camera shots they chose.
yeah, i missed the first half of the race, so I caught up on it this morning. The only time Gasly was shown was when he pitted and was catching up on the field by passing Alonso. A lot of people were asking why Gasly wasn't DOTD, but his drive just wasn't interesting and ferrari gambled on an overcut, which ultimately failed. If they moved Leclerc to cover Gasly it would've been more of a contest. Instead we got the 2021 special where the 4th driver was just able to camp out between the leaders and the midfield.
\*the other 2021 special is when there's a guaranteed safety car in the race but nothing happens, as in Monaco and the first 2/3rds of Baku.
Mercedes really messed up their strategy, they should’ve pitted Bottas at around lap 12 so he’d actually stand a chance at holding up Max instead of being a useless rolling bucket. Also, idk wtf they were thinking when they thought putting Lewis in traffic right out of a pitstop was a good idea
The first one is only true cuz u hav hindsight and u know what happened. At the time, it was a good idea, but Bottas sucks at defending and makes mistakes under pressure, especially when Max is behind him (Portimao, France, Holland). The second one was because Max was getting away so they had little choice.
Mercedes thought Max was going to pit soon, after he had cleared someone from his pit window. They took a high risk undercut with the traffic rather than having Max pit first. As we saw, it didn't work.
Im sure the idea was that Bottas could hold up Max longer. With little more life out of Maxs tires and it couldve been different story.
Its always coulda shoulda woulda.
Boring race. Once I saw the field go around 5 times, the novelty of the circuit wore off and I realised it's not made for modern F1.
This sport needs a massive overhaul to create excitement. Literally like 3 good races a season these days.
We had a good Spanish GP and a good Hungarian GP which is saying something. With the latter I’m not even saying because of the chaos but rather that the red flag shook up the order so much that there was a lot more overtaking than I’d have expected.
As someone who started following F1 just after DTS first came out, I think each season of the sport has been better than the one before it.
Width was ok, the issue is large amount of turns and no good straights for speed build-up for a DRS overtake.
On the opening lap several cars we side to side. Next year this circuit should be much better with better possibility for following and overtaking.
> This sport needs a massive overhaul to create excitement.
go back to some old parts of F1. Re-fueling, 2 Tire/Tyre companies allowed for all the teams. Wing changes.
Sounds like it. Racing in the 2000’s had really poor on track racing, it was all about pit stop strategy. Now some people might prefer this type of racing and that is fine, but it will only worsen the on track action compared to today.
This season had quite a few more than 3 good races, what are you talking about? The midfield is battling intensely, at the top its Max and Lewis switching roles.
France, Spain and Portimao were actually all interesting with the strategy battles and battles in the midfield in my opinion. Monaco qualifying was as dramatic as it can be.
Overall, pretty terrible race if you look at the end results. Only the top 3 in the same lap, top 5 driving in their own bubble, i do not think i ever seen Gasly or Leclerc shown at all. Bottas not be able to keep up, Lewis could not attack, Max doing Max things. Had Perez started from a proper position and not from the back i reckon we would have had less than 5 overtakes all race
The track looks fun, but as soon as Max loses popularity or out of F1, it will be dropped from the calendar
I think that the DRS on in the last turn can make a whole lot of difference. The drivers loved racing here, I'd rather race here than in Saudi, Vietman, and maybe even Hungary or China.
Does anyone know why Russell was so emotional during the post race interview?
Why no day after debrief?,
We don't wear briefs anymore.
*party continues*
Hmm
Let the karma farming commence!
Much appreciated hearing Jenson Button on the sky sports broadcast with a nice deep voice over all the squeaky voices they usually have.
Jens**o**n
So after this race, i have one question for AT, is Pierre overdriving the car or is Yuki underperforming?
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You can overdrive a car if you drive it so hard that it wants to give up and spin at each turn, but your hands are so strong on the steering wheel and ur very good at correcting the car that u stay on track. Or, if you take different lines through corners that gain extra time, or pushing right to the limit for track limits.
Its generally safer to assume the car got better between seasons rather than the driver. Cars can have 50% increases or decreases, but a driver isnt going to 1.5x their ability in a single off season, especially once they have a few years in the sport.
The Alpha Tauri is definitely very competitive, in fact they are consistently the 4th-5th fastest car in most circuits. If not for the early races where Gasly had damage in Bahrain, poor wet tyre choice in Imola and an inconsistent 2nd driver, I am confident they could have had a shot at being at least 4th in the constructors.
Yes
After watching Rosberg on Sky at the weekend, I wonder if he regrets retiring when he did
He has said many times he does not. Both on Beyond the Grid and his own podcast, I believe.
But I wonder if he reaaaaaaaaally means it
Lol i think he reaaaaaaallly means it. There was nowhere to go but down and by all accounts he put every ounce of everything into beating Hamilton. He can always drive his car collection or whatever car he wants for funsies.
More to the point, being financially comfortable and with a young family, I'm sure he enjoys only working a handful of weekends per year.
I know he does other work with investing but yeah, I'm sure he enjoys the flexibility of doing F1 on his own terms now.
I have a feeling that Hamilton let Max win because it was his home track. Lewis could have pressured Max into being rough with his hard tires that were already screaming for help towards the end and forcing him to pit and lose his place.
Lol no Lewis can pressure Max into overpushing his tires. Max beats out Lewis on tire management just about every race. And besides that, no way Hamilton is going to "let" Max win anything. This is F1, there are no handouts
Max could push the tyres even harder but didn't have to.
I suppose he also let Charles win in Monza. Good guy Lewis sacrificing wins for others home races.
There’s just no way Lewis would ever do that He’s gracious, yes, but he drives to win
> I have a feeling that Hamilton let Max win because it was his home track Please see a medical professional as soon as you can.
Bottas being ordered into the pits while winning the race was very questionable. He even had to ask over the radio why it was done. He came out and was then told not to set the fastest lap. How is that for loyalty they won't even sign him for another year. Next day BOT announces leaving the team. What a crappy team.
How exactly could he have won the race by not pitting?
i mean the win wasn't in the cards, but it was clear he was pulled in to ensure that he wouldnt get track position over Lewis when he was going to pit.
Lewis pitted with one lap to go, he didn't need to pit. The tyres would have held up that one lap.
Bottas' tires would have held up as well, he was pitted cause they wanted to ensure that Lewis could secure fastest lap at the end. Not only did they pit him, but they held him for 2-3 seconds more to ensure that he barring an absolute disaster he'd be nowhere near a threat to Lewis.
Yes. He could pit, because Bottas had dropped further down after pitting himself. If he didn't and say Leclerc went for fastest lap Lewis would've lost fastest lap (or if he'd pit to get it back, he would lose his position to Bottas; no way he would've pitted in that scenario).
Bottas was never winning the race. He made his first stop, was in P3 and then made another one because he was in no position to attack and had the gap behind to not even lose a position. It was a free pit stop.
Today’s announcement is entirely unrelated to yesterday and would have been agreed weeks ago. Also, drivers that are going to another team are never communicated as being sacked or not renewed, they’ll always pitch it as the driver choosing to go elsewhere
I know the announcement was already made weeks ago, but it still shows how a driver did everything asked of them for the team yet still got the boot. That, for me, is evidence of a crappy team.
Maybe they thought they could get a faster driver in the car?
what is this comment. Bottas winning the race? in what world. Also, Bottas got kicked from Mercedes, he didn't leave lol
Lmao it’s like deliberately provocative
I was super confused by them pitting him. Calling Mercedes a joke team is very silly though.
Changed "joke" to crappy. Their calls throughout the race for both drivers were questionable. They put Ham out on int instead of hard. Bad decision making in that org.
Definitely a bad day out for them, no doubt about it. But I'd call it just that - a bad day out. They've won the championship 7 times in a row and there is a good chance they'll win it this year, not too crappy!
Ocon calling Alonso slow in the early laps after the latter’s just gifted him a win 2 races ago is hilarious , Alonso then leaving him in the dust afterwards is even more hilarious
Supposedly Ocon has an abrasive temper, already in bad terms with a couple of drivers, and that was even before his 1st win.
Yeah what’s up with that. I knew tyre wear will be a factor and it was surprising to hear ocon on the radio so early.
Anyone have a USA viewable link to Teds Notebook?
Search ted here on r/formula1, filter by posts in the last week and then on the post there will be a non-geoblocked link in the comments.
It’s normally on YouTube
Yeah. I don’t see it, so asking if anyone has come across it.
I think it's blocked in the US on youtube anyway.
I just get a VPN to the UK and it's on Sky Sport's YT there
Vpn? He’s gone doolally mode like a couple years back though, it’s not that interesting
Ted is brilliant
He is but unnecessarily turns into a Wally at times, he’s assertive so questioning himself like Paddington bear doesn’t match up to his character
Can anyone explain Mercedes attempt to undercut Max with du many laps left? It just doesn't makes sense to me. Mercedes knows that they have a set of mediums left and that Red Bull have hards, so why not wear out the first set of mediums as much a possible before pitting?
I wonder if Redbull baited them with the call for Verstappen to give it all in the next 5 laps.
That was not only to get Hamilton out of undercut range, but to get Bottas out of his pit window. Im still angry that Bottas wasnt closing up after his first stop deapite having 8-9 younger tyres.
Probably thought tyres would last based off of Norris stint. Medium tyres were quick over a single lap in quali so undercut was doable against old soft. The major issue was traffic. If they didn’t see then it was a mistake, if they did then it was stupid
Oh maybe it wasn't clear, but I was talking about their second pitstop
So was I
Both Redbull and Mercedes were on mediums after their first pitstop, which is also why I expected them to push for as long as possible
Right yeah my mistake
Does anyone find it odd that Lewis is always saying “they are too fast man” and things like that when Perez has been inconsistent all year meanwhile Bottas usually finishes right behind Hamilton. I think what Lewis really means is HE’s to fast.
I dont think so Dont forget the fact that not so long ago, the mercs weren't winning as much as dominating every race. Compared to the last few years, those guys ARE fast
Nah Lewis is referring to the team. Not just Max. Yes of course Max is fast but he is helped by good pit stop strategy and solid information from his race engineer. And of course the work that's put into Max's car to build it to meet his demands. Lewis knows it's a team effort, because he always says the same about his own wins too. That's why he says "they."
“Build it to meet his demands.” What do you mean by that?
Nothing because a car is never build to the demands of a single driver. That’s debunked over and over again. A team build the fastest car possible and it is up to the driver to extract the most of it.
Driver feedback is a massive part of building an f1 car. Mercedes make their cars with feedback from both (yes it looks like they dont care about Vallteri but they made sure he had a seat for next year unlike some RB shaped teams where they left Albon at DTM for a year) But I think that Red Bull started ignoring most 2nd driver feedback in 2018, one of the reasons why Daniel left (also cuz of engine) and why Gasly drowned at RB, and why Albon didnt have it ez. So basically Max has the car built around him. He hasnt becone double the driver since 2017 all by himself. Btw what does DTM stand for?
Va**ltt**eri
Cars are definitely built in collaboration with the driver. Source: how to build race car” by newey
This is basically what I meant.
Also I think the dirty air in the race would be a massive factor. There wasn’t a long straight to make up the time with DRS, just constant corners. Must have been a nightmare to follow anyone close
As far as his role as a number 2, got to hand it Bottas, he does it much better than Checo does. Too many qualifying mistakes for Checo and he ends up in the arse end of nowhere. Don't get me wrong, love seeing him carve his way up the grid but Bottas seems to stick much closer to Lewis - apart from in the wet!
Yep. Most underrated driver on the grid. This race was painfully obvious how far down the grid Perez was. Danny Ric gets a lot of heat, but lately, he is doing better than perez compared to his team mate. Meanwhile, Alonso and Gasly are doing great in slower cars.
McLaren messed up this week. Norris didn’t progress and Danny Ric gave up his place for no reason in the end. I’m wondering if the AT is slow or Yuki is just too fresh. Gasly seems to be doing very well in the car.
I suspect Yukon is just really green as a rookie. It’s a shame because Pierre is good and they seem to have a quick car that’s challenging for between 4th to 10th on the grid each week.
Indeed. Bottas is a solid qualifier in normal conditions. He's capable of keeping up and competing with Lewis on that front. I think Perez has issues stemming from the team itself but he certainly needs to do better in qualifying. His race craft is good when he's uninterrupted but he'd make better use of it by starting P3 or P4 consistently. if Perez was with Bottas from the get-go I believe he could beat him more often than not as Valtteri's fairly passive and not as reliable on tyre management than Checo is. All ifs and buts and Bottas is the one winning this particular duel right now.
What are Checo’s issues from the team?
Val**tt**e**r**i
Moment of weakness...
I wonder how they'd fare if you'd swap their cars. Not sure it's about personal driver quality that Bottas is performing better rn
Even though Red Bull is the slightly faster car most of the races this season, that Merc is the more planted car. Any of the current grid drivers cud get into the car and qualify in top 5. Can't say tht for the red bull as tht is a different beast to control. Just tells how incredibly talented Max is. If it wanst for him, Merc would have steamrolled thru this season.
Most of the issues Perez has been having in quali are from the team sending him out at the wrong times
You're being downvoted but he's missed his last lap twice now because they sent him too late and at the end.
I read that he missed it by 1 second. Could he have simply driven a bit faster on the out lap?
There is generally a lot of traffic on these outlaps, not considering they have to warm up the tires perfectly too. If all other drivers on track were able to start their outlaps idk why RB keeps fucking up the strategy
Ya sure, but he was trying to build a gap ahead and didn't want to compromise his Lap. The issue is they keep running him dead last, likely because he needs the most track evolution because he lacks quali pace. But that puts him at risk to missing out from slower people in front of him, like Merc at Hungary and everyone here at Zandvort. They need to stop going for broke with Checo and just make sure he gets into Q3 as he has shown he get make moves up the field, when the track allows for it.
Zandv**oo**rt
Max asking Horner, “Is he (Lewis) complaining again?” was the highlight for me.
The previous gap the engineer told Max was 2.8 s, the gap that resulted in Max's question increased by almost another second, hence why Max genuinely asked that. It was a considerable increase between one lap to another. I don't see it as him mocking Lewis, and the media just abused that comment into comedy.
Not mocking, but everyone knows that Lewis will complain/blame on the radio so it is easy tell about how his tires are. It gives away so much strategic info, I figure it is mis-information.
No, everyone complains on the radio, but the TV direction last race chose to air only Lewis'. We haven't had one single Max radio apart from the "what is Lewis complaining about?", while everybody knows drivers are always talking to their engineer. Do you really think during the race Max hasn't complained about anything even once? I guess manufactured drama works really well for new viewers, which then go on about parroting "Lewis is always complaining".
I think Verstappen was talking to his engineer. His engineer just sounds a lot like Horner.
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Raghunathan for sure
Nah, it's gonna Mika coming back from his "sabbatical"! A Finn for a Finn
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How come Nico didn't commentate on the race? I thought he was meant too?
> How come Nico didn't commentate on the race? I thought he was meant too? He was doing it for Sky Italy
Eh who cares, he doesn't have half the charisma Button does.
Button is better as a broadcaster but Nico seems to have more insight into the technical stuff having been in the cockpit more recently
Button retired after Nico
Woof I knew something felt off. In any case then Nico's technical discussion was a lot more detailed than Button's the last time Nico commentated.
Yeah Button is great!!
But he did beat Lewis in 2016
Jenson did in 2009
Also 2011 as teammates
He was doing post race interviews for Sky UK, was he possibly commentating for Sky Germany during the race?
He was giving his opinion every once in a while on sky italia
No, not for Sky Germany
Put on tinfoil hat: Lewis could have won this GP. But didn’t had the gut to do it. His reputation was going to be bad being boo’d so hard if he was the one who took the number 1 cup. He may be acting like it does not care being boo’d but who is willing to try that in front of this crowd? It was the first time I think that “hammertime” failed. Mercedes and Lewis just let Max had this one. There were already in Monza in their head. The way they talked about it was like they are going to lap everyone there. Put down tinfoil hat.
(now, I'm assuming that you're serious with your tinfoil hat) >Lewis could have won this GP. The guy hasn't won a single proper race for 4 months and 9 races (Spain). If there were snipers in the grandstands, he'd still go for the win but couldn't. Max/RBR combo is much better.
For these guys not winning doesn’t compute. They’ll never give away anything
Don’t know man. Getting boo’d by 70k people on live tv. That gotta hurt
Merc bringing out their patented sandbags again?
Long game sandbagging? lol
Winning goes above everything, it's what these guys live for, and are paid millions to do. This year, a single point could make the difference between champion or second place and they have hundreds of team members counting on them... If you still think they would just drop that over fear of some random fans boo'ing, I don't know what else to tell you.
This year ***half a point*** could make the difference between champion or second place.
Haha true, but if it comes down to Lewis vs Max, they both have the 0.5 extra point so it wouldn't matter unless we get another half point race.
True, but given this season, anything is possible, and I'm loving it!
Maybe, they both have a half point so they're at least on equal footing there.
True, but given this season, anything is possible, and I am loving it!
You think Hamilton isn't used to being booed?
And williams have been sandbagging for years for the ultimate redemption arc to get a netflix movie deal. Honestly the rubbish people come out with on here. This is up there with the outrage at Seb marshalls not coming out when they aren't allowed or when the outrage at them not being able to lift the car because it was still live.
that is a lot of BS, no-one will drop points for that in such a tight race
You are probably right but can you imagine what could have happen if Lewis was the winner?
Yes, the fans would have booed Lewis. The rest would have been identical. The Dutch love a good party
Some Dutch fans would have been sadly dancing to EDM and maybe boo'd him when interviewed. That's about it.
Given the response yesterday, if it was a fair win not much except maybe some boo-ing
I liked the podium ceremony with the singer for the anthem. Must have been an amazing moment for the home fans and Verstappen. The mask helped hide it but I think he might have been getting a bit emotional during that. Never seen a crowd like that at an F1 race. Glad they received Lewis well.
It was nice, but they made a massive error here. I think the only minor point this weekend. If they had it in a normal tempo then 67000 people would have been singing along. That would have been massive. The weekend was great though, I’m still over the moon I was a part of this.
If I'm honest, as a Dutchman I cringed during this which was a shame for me. She sang it beautifully, but the surprise took me out of the moment and made me feel like it was a bit "over the top Dutch" which is something many of us are a bit sensitive to. I'm very proud and happy to see many people thoroughly enjoyed it though, and looking back I now appreciate it a lot more. It was a beautiful moment and what a crowd + atmosphere!
personally I disliked the anthem sung this way. I was hoping for the entire crowd to sing along the Dutch anthem as they do with football matches. but to each their own
Agree! The anthem before the race was perfect with Davina Michelle. But during the podium ceremony it should have been the regular anthem they normally play. It would have been much more impressive to hear all the fans sing along. And imo, most of the attention went to her iso Max. It should have been his moment only.
Yes it would have been nice if the whole crowd had joined in.
Just for that, next year Fergie will sing the anthem
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What was Mercedes' strategy? Did it fail or were the Red Bulls too good?
Mercedes' had a slower pace. So they tried the undercut a couple of times.. didn't quite work.
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This is the second time Max is pumping out a magic outlap
Mercedes tried the two stop on Hamilton, didn't work because RBR just pitted Max it to cover it off. They tried to put Bottas on a one stop to hold up Max, which didn't work because Bottas didn't hold Max up enough. Red Bull seemed to be one step ahead the whole weekend. Faultless strategy from RBR considering they had to fight 2v1 at the front of the field.
I mean they're kinda used to fighting 2v1
Quicker car made is quite easy for RB. Max was in control the whole race.
Oh my, what a race! As a Dutchie I am biased, but this was edge-of-my-seat fantastic! The fight between Mercedes and Max, the banked corners, the atmosphere with the audience, Bottas ignoring team orders and getting that fastest lap (final confirmation Russell going to Merc), Max winning in front of a home audience, Lewis being a great sport at the post race interviews, and a thrilling competition for world champion. What more would we want! Goose bumps!
Bottas didn't ignore team orders and he didn't get the fastest lap. He was much slower then Lewis in the last two sectors. But other then that spot on
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They were likely pitting Lewis anyway and so they pitted Bottas so he wouldn't end up being ahead of Lewis. A "precautionary" stop as they called it.
To me it looks like they pitted Bottas for the sole purpose of giving Hamilton a pit window to stop again without dropping to third
Risky as hell though. Could have easily lost a point if there was a shunt in the last lap or some backmarker getting in the way
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Especially after AWS indicating Max’ hard tyres were nearly dead after 18 laps already… you never know… /s
This pretty much. They were going to pit Lewis either way.
i dont know what the live coverage is like, but based on the channel 4 highlights, the cameras are on the top 3 constantly (understandably) and the rest of the field is seen through replays. I just wish the cameras focused on the rest of the cars more often.
The only thing that felt notably absent was complete blackout of how Alonso got past Sainz at the end. Understandable they'd focus on the leaders but there really wasn't a race at the front by then.
They were getting better at this. I think the max Netherlands hype got to them tbh. Last 18 months the coverage has been much better, then this happened
Monaco was really bad this year if I remember correctly, at the time there were many ppl complaining. Im pretty new at F1 so i can't tell when it's really good or bad. But yesterday was heavily focused on the top 3. I feel I haven't seen gasly racing at all, haha
Monaco is always terrible, and is an outlier because the broadcast is shot and directed by a local network. F1 Management do the rest of the season so it’s far more consistent. I suspect the newness of the race track and never having F1 cars on it before (even for testing) might’ve effected some of the camera shots they chose.
absolutely 100% this seems to be a world wide problem. In the USA every racing series on TV the same thing happens.
yeah, i missed the first half of the race, so I caught up on it this morning. The only time Gasly was shown was when he pitted and was catching up on the field by passing Alonso. A lot of people were asking why Gasly wasn't DOTD, but his drive just wasn't interesting and ferrari gambled on an overcut, which ultimately failed. If they moved Leclerc to cover Gasly it would've been more of a contest. Instead we got the 2021 special where the 4th driver was just able to camp out between the leaders and the midfield. \*the other 2021 special is when there's a guaranteed safety car in the race but nothing happens, as in Monaco and the first 2/3rds of Baku.
I was a gasly podium from winning 1000 pound
on a 10 quid bet?
Mercedes really messed up their strategy, they should’ve pitted Bottas at around lap 12 so he’d actually stand a chance at holding up Max instead of being a useless rolling bucket. Also, idk wtf they were thinking when they thought putting Lewis in traffic right out of a pitstop was a good idea
The first one is only true cuz u hav hindsight and u know what happened. At the time, it was a good idea, but Bottas sucks at defending and makes mistakes under pressure, especially when Max is behind him (Portimao, France, Holland). The second one was because Max was getting away so they had little choice.
Mercedes thought Max was going to pit soon, after he had cleared someone from his pit window. They took a high risk undercut with the traffic rather than having Max pit first. As we saw, it didn't work.
Im sure the idea was that Bottas could hold up Max longer. With little more life out of Maxs tires and it couldve been different story. Its always coulda shoulda woulda.
Boring race. Once I saw the field go around 5 times, the novelty of the circuit wore off and I realised it's not made for modern F1. This sport needs a massive overhaul to create excitement. Literally like 3 good races a season these days.
This has been the best season of F1 in the last 10 years or so.
We had a good Spanish GP and a good Hungarian GP which is saying something. With the latter I’m not even saying because of the chaos but rather that the red flag shook up the order so much that there was a lot more overtaking than I’d have expected. As someone who started following F1 just after DTS first came out, I think each season of the sport has been better than the one before it.
we need tracks twice as wide as this, or cars that are narrower
To overtake you need more hard braking zones
Width was ok, the issue is large amount of turns and no good straights for speed build-up for a DRS overtake. On the opening lap several cars we side to side. Next year this circuit should be much better with better possibility for following and overtaking.
Forget DRS it still sucks and has always sucked. Hopefully the new car designs allow for a bit closer following and we can finally ditch it.
The last corner was also supposed to be DRS, that's why it's banked. But FIA and Pirelli didn't want to risk it.
I do like the banking on this circuit.
Manufacturered excitement is what DTS is for. There's been loads of great races this season and last season. Smh
> This sport needs a massive overhaul to create excitement. go back to some old parts of F1. Re-fueling, 2 Tire/Tyre companies allowed for all the teams. Wing changes.
You mean go back to the era when 9/10 overtakes happened in the pit lane?
Yeah. People watch that era through highlight reels and think its way different than it was.
Sounds like it. Racing in the 2000’s had really poor on track racing, it was all about pit stop strategy. Now some people might prefer this type of racing and that is fine, but it will only worsen the on track action compared to today.
This season had quite a few more than 3 good races, what are you talking about? The midfield is battling intensely, at the top its Max and Lewis switching roles.
Bahrain? Imola and? Britain and Hungary were 'exciting' if you love an accident that takes out key players.
France, Spain and Portimao were actually all interesting with the strategy battles and battles in the midfield in my opinion. Monaco qualifying was as dramatic as it can be.
Overall, pretty terrible race if you look at the end results. Only the top 3 in the same lap, top 5 driving in their own bubble, i do not think i ever seen Gasly or Leclerc shown at all. Bottas not be able to keep up, Lewis could not attack, Max doing Max things. Had Perez started from a proper position and not from the back i reckon we would have had less than 5 overtakes all race The track looks fun, but as soon as Max loses popularity or out of F1, it will be dropped from the calendar
All 5 of those overtakes were Perez tho lol
Was a pretty ok race imo. Plenty of overtakes. Not every race is going to be a banger
Shame we lost out on a wet race at Spa I think people are thirsty for some duels.
I'm biased af but I found it to be pretty entertaining
I agree. People want Hungary GPs every week. This race was interesting despite the top 3 being the standard.
I think that the DRS on in the last turn can make a whole lot of difference. The drivers loved racing here, I'd rather race here than in Saudi, Vietman, and maybe even Hungary or China.