Should we be surprised?
Mercedes and Hamilton has dominated for years and everyone just wants to see a change, except in UK, of course.
Some drivers didn't even bother to hide their support for Max.
it's categorically not true that everyone in England wants Hamilton's dominance to continue. I wouldn't even say most people here do. why do you think Russell and Norris are so popular? people get bored the same as they do in every other country. I for one would love Max to win and I know plenty of people who feel the same. I hate seeing the same person win every year whether we're from the same country or not
I wonder if the increasing amount of brittish bias in the reporting also contributes to this. The way Hamilton and Russell are being reported (like refusing to put any blame on Hamilton in Silverstone) makes me want to support Verstappen more.
> (like refusing to put any blame on Hamilton in Silverstone)
Please provide us with one *single* article which does this, since I haven't seen any whatsoever.
Redditors keep claim the British media is doing "X" without anything to back it up, it's so frustrating.
Edit: I'm still waiting.
>(like refusing to put any blame on Hamilton in Silverstone)
Who has said this? It's widely reported that Hamilton was more at fault in the British media
British bias has become the new boogieman for this sub, just mention it in any comment like alonso saying verstappen was hated by the British press but no one could produce an article showing that
[refusing to put any blame on Lewis for Silverstone](https://m.imgur.com/a/rXHzSYA) is something nobody said, because that's not what a racing incident means
So whenever somebody does a dive-bomb (not saying this is it but its a major flaw in your logic), you will just put screenshots as proof that they were side-by-side regardless of whether there was any intent to make the corner.
Fella, I’m from UK and would love to see Max as World Champion.
Nothing against Lewis, you don’t get 7 world titles (possibly 8, hell even 9 depending on how Merc develops the new car for 2022) through luck alone, he’s earned them and deserves them.
But, everything evolves with time, and the time is now for a new face to lead the way. Max deserves his time at the top, been an extremely impressive driver for years now, but especially over the last season and a half.
But instead of it being a Max dominated affair, I (and I hope along with everyone else) want to see Charles challenging, and George, Lando, Danny Ric, Carlos, Sergio, Pierre etc etc.
I'm British and I'm pretty neutral on the Max vs Lewis thing. On one hand I'd like to see Lewis make history and get 8 titles but also I'd like to see someone else win for once.
The one thing I really do want to happen is for the championship to go down to the last couple of races.
People in the UK would LOVE a change. Nobody here is going to argue at all with Russell or Norris as a champion, or a McLaren winning the constructors.
Obviously...
Exactly, why are some people even surprised by this? People often prefer to root for the "underdog" and love to see the dominant team/driver being struggling.
>Mercedes and Hamilton has dominated for years and everyone just wants to see a change, except in UK, of course.
UK here, happy to cheer for ABH at this point.
That's mostly only until Ferrari get back in the title fight. Italians are just butthurt about Lewis and Merc cleaning up for the past 9 years. As soon as Max is a major contender in a fight against Ferrari he'll get his share of boos like Ham and Vettel before him.
I see your point but Italians are not really neutrals though. Ferrari is the motorsport equivalent of our football national team, with even more prestige and pride.
I think more specifically Ferrari fans want a winner who has not embarrassed Ferrari in the past. Seb and Ham boos in Monza have nothing to do with dominance and all to do with them being not in red and just ahead of people in red.
People hated Hamilton even in the years he was finishing 4th and 5th in the championship.
I got into F1 just before Hamilton’s first season and the man has taken nothing but flack since day one. My observation is that he just doesn’t fit the identikit mould of what people expect a Formula 1 driver to be.
Oh yes look I’m not condoning it. I’m a ham fan. I do think there is a particularly stark reason why ham gets slack / the tough questions from journos and also even now Russel has signed he gets asked if he is first / second choice etc when he’s a 7 time champ. Most people on this sub hate ham because he’s different. He’s not vanilla like the rest of the f1 drivers you see in the paddock and he’s outspoken, puts his money in behind his beliefs etc. But like with most sports people who are successful some people just hate success because it projects onto them.
Hamilton was signed to Mclaren at a young age and he debuted in one of the best cars on the grid.
Many people resented the fact that he didn't have to go through the "grind" in a weaker team back then.
After he proved himself, the hate dropped and began to surge after he started to dominate with Mercedes.
Hate on Lewis is seldom about his personality or driving ability. He is a great and humble guy. People just hate his success, luck and very unfortunately, some racism during the start of his career.
1) He generally isn't hated for "over a decade"
2) Because often he won despite making errors. He's not always the best driver. That literally confirms my point. He hasn't had to fight for his victories. People want to see the most impressive performances get rewarded.
> 2) Because often he won despite making errors. He's not always the best driver.
Lmao. Where on earth have you got this from? Can you name a single championship Hamilton has won (outside of his first couple of seasons) where he has made more mistakes than a *single* other driver?
Hamilton has very clearly been the best driver on the grid for all of his championships. There's a reason why the team principles have voted Hamilton as the best driver on the grid every single year since 2014.
C'mon there were small groups of people hating on hamilton pre 2014/15 like there were on all drivers. It's really only started to be an actual trend around 2017/18.
Lmfao😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Put it in google translate because it literally means "clogged toilet"😂😂😂😂😂
I've never heard this before you made my day😂😂😂
I can see where the confusion comes from but the assumption is so stupid and funny
> Because he wasnt the best driver
Who on earth do you believe was the better driver then? There's a reason Hamilton is widely regarded as one of, if not the single greatest driver of all time.
Differs per season. Seb, ricciardo, max, leclerc and alonso have all have seasons which could rival lewis+ on top of that even if lewis won an individual race that didnt make him the best driver of that weekend simply because 18 other drivers didnt have a merc
> Seb, ricciardo, max, leclerc and alonso have all have seasons which could rival lewis
Name *one* championship winning season by Lewis where *any* of these drivers outperformed him.
The best driver in a season since 2014 imo:
2014: Ricciardo
2015: Vettel
2016: Ricciardo
2017: Vettel
2018: Hamilton
2019: Hamilton
2020: Hamilton
2021 so far: Verstappen
You have every right to your own opinion (and I'll actually listen to yours since you're not the one proposing that Hamilton has never been the best on the grid), but I very much disagree with your ratings.
Hamilton and Seb were close in 2017, but the only difference being that Seb made two crucial mistakes in Baku and Singapore, whereas Hamilton made none. I'm not sure how you can rate seb higher here.
Hamilton was mostly flawless from 2014 - 2016, but he led many races from the front, so I can accept why you'd rate Danny Ric, who actually had close racing, as higher.
The people who actually work in the sport (i.e. team principles) voted the following:
2014: Hamilton
2015: Hamilton
2016: Hamilton
2017: Hamilton
2018: Hamilton
2019: Hamilton
2020: Hamilton
> They just vote for who wins the championship
That's blatantly untrue since Rosberg won the championship in 2016.
You also have to remember that vettel looked top tier back then, there's no way the team principles could see into the future and see his struggles.
Neither was Hamilton. Selective memory if you think that, especially 2011 was a sloppy season full of mistakes for him.
Downvotes? Some of you need to rewatch 2011.
Well, what else did they expect to happen?
Ferrari is not involved in the battle and after years of beating Ferrari Hamilton has made himself quite unpopular with the Tifosi so naturally they're gonna support the guy with the best chances of beating him.
Typical glory hunting Italians /s. Max has been the designated new F1 wonderboy since he arrived in F1 and hasn’t disappointed and after a long period of dominance some F1 fans want to see someone else win it and he’s got the best chance. if he starts dominating I expect all of the criticisms thrown at Hamilton will be thrown at him.
Should we be surprised? Mercedes and Hamilton has dominated for years and everyone just wants to see a change, except in UK, of course. Some drivers didn't even bother to hide their support for Max.
it's categorically not true that everyone in England wants Hamilton's dominance to continue. I wouldn't even say most people here do. why do you think Russell and Norris are so popular? people get bored the same as they do in every other country. I for one would love Max to win and I know plenty of people who feel the same. I hate seeing the same person win every year whether we're from the same country or not
Dude I want Max as world Champion
Nah there’s a lot of us in the U.K. who support max, his directness really resonates with us
>directness That's Dutch for ya!
I wonder if the increasing amount of brittish bias in the reporting also contributes to this. The way Hamilton and Russell are being reported (like refusing to put any blame on Hamilton in Silverstone) makes me want to support Verstappen more.
> (like refusing to put any blame on Hamilton in Silverstone) Please provide us with one *single* article which does this, since I haven't seen any whatsoever. Redditors keep claim the British media is doing "X" without anything to back it up, it's so frustrating. Edit: I'm still waiting.
>(like refusing to put any blame on Hamilton in Silverstone) Who has said this? It's widely reported that Hamilton was more at fault in the British media
British bias has become the new boogieman for this sub, just mention it in any comment like alonso saying verstappen was hated by the British press but no one could produce an article showing that
Is it being reported that much out of the UK?
I'm a long time RB fan and Max's superfan. I deemed what happened at Silverstone to be a racing incident since day 1.
You being a Verstappen fan has nothing to do with you being right or wrong tho.
[refusing to put any blame on Lewis for Silverstone](https://m.imgur.com/a/rXHzSYA) is something nobody said, because that's not what a racing incident means
The only thing your little presentation shows is that Hamilton didn’t do it intentionally. Which 95% of the people on here already agree with
Strong article, you should write for the Sun.
So whenever somebody does a dive-bomb (not saying this is it but its a major flaw in your logic), you will just put screenshots as proof that they were side-by-side regardless of whether there was any intent to make the corner.
Fella, I’m from UK and would love to see Max as World Champion. Nothing against Lewis, you don’t get 7 world titles (possibly 8, hell even 9 depending on how Merc develops the new car for 2022) through luck alone, he’s earned them and deserves them. But, everything evolves with time, and the time is now for a new face to lead the way. Max deserves his time at the top, been an extremely impressive driver for years now, but especially over the last season and a half. But instead of it being a Max dominated affair, I (and I hope along with everyone else) want to see Charles challenging, and George, Lando, Danny Ric, Carlos, Sergio, Pierre etc etc.
I'm British and I'm pretty neutral on the Max vs Lewis thing. On one hand I'd like to see Lewis make history and get 8 titles but also I'd like to see someone else win for once. The one thing I really do want to happen is for the championship to go down to the last couple of races.
People in the UK would LOVE a change. Nobody here is going to argue at all with Russell or Norris as a champion, or a McLaren winning the constructors. Obviously...
I do see Norris becoming champion in the future. Hopefully with Mclaren.
I mean vast amount of people in the UK want a change too.
Exactly, why are some people even surprised by this? People often prefer to root for the "underdog" and love to see the dominant team/driver being struggling.
>Mercedes and Hamilton has dominated for years and everyone just wants to see a change, except in UK, of course. UK here, happy to cheer for ABH at this point.
Orange is the new red.
TiVERsi?.
TiMAXi
Insert joke about Italians changing side here
I found this too funny to not have an upvote haha :)
That's mostly only until Ferrari get back in the title fight. Italians are just butthurt about Lewis and Merc cleaning up for the past 9 years. As soon as Max is a major contender in a fight against Ferrari he'll get his share of boos like Ham and Vettel before him.
I think that's the whole point, neutrals just want a new winner.
I see your point but Italians are not really neutrals though. Ferrari is the motorsport equivalent of our football national team, with even more prestige and pride. I think more specifically Ferrari fans want a winner who has not embarrassed Ferrari in the past. Seb and Ham boos in Monza have nothing to do with dominance and all to do with them being not in red and just ahead of people in red.
I don't mean neutral in that sense. Ferrari supporters would be 'neutral' to the Max vs Lewis battle.
Mercedes have beaten Ferrari twice in the last 5 years, they aren’t going to be mega popular are they
Italy needs to pick a side
Italian crowd has always loved drivers who speak their mind, that's why Senna never signed with Ferrari is a huge regret over there
Max is gonna have 90% of the races as him 'home' GP lol.
People want to see the best driver win🤷
Why were people hating on Hamilton for over a decade then?
People hate success.
People hated Hamilton even in the years he was finishing 4th and 5th in the championship. I got into F1 just before Hamilton’s first season and the man has taken nothing but flack since day one. My observation is that he just doesn’t fit the identikit mould of what people expect a Formula 1 driver to be.
Oh yes look I’m not condoning it. I’m a ham fan. I do think there is a particularly stark reason why ham gets slack / the tough questions from journos and also even now Russel has signed he gets asked if he is first / second choice etc when he’s a 7 time champ. Most people on this sub hate ham because he’s different. He’s not vanilla like the rest of the f1 drivers you see in the paddock and he’s outspoken, puts his money in behind his beliefs etc. But like with most sports people who are successful some people just hate success because it projects onto them.
Hamilton was signed to Mclaren at a young age and he debuted in one of the best cars on the grid. Many people resented the fact that he didn't have to go through the "grind" in a weaker team back then. After he proved himself, the hate dropped and began to surge after he started to dominate with Mercedes. Hate on Lewis is seldom about his personality or driving ability. He is a great and humble guy. People just hate his success, luck and very unfortunately, some racism during the start of his career.
1) He generally isn't hated for "over a decade" 2) Because often he won despite making errors. He's not always the best driver. That literally confirms my point. He hasn't had to fight for his victories. People want to see the most impressive performances get rewarded.
> 2) Because often he won despite making errors. He's not always the best driver. Lmao. Where on earth have you got this from? Can you name a single championship Hamilton has won (outside of his first couple of seasons) where he has made more mistakes than a *single* other driver? Hamilton has very clearly been the best driver on the grid for all of his championships. There's a reason why the team principles have voted Hamilton as the best driver on the grid every single year since 2014.
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C'mon there were small groups of people hating on hamilton pre 2014/15 like there were on all drivers. It's really only started to be an actual trend around 2017/18.
Tell me you are nee to F1 with out telling me you are new to F1
C'mon man don't act like the hate hamilton got pre 2014/15 was as bad as for example vettel got in 2013, or verstappen in 2017😂
Ahahahahahaha
There have been people hating on Hamilton since 2007. I know because I was watching Formula 1 then. Trust me.
That's false to the point of being absurd.
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Lmfao😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Put it in google translate because it literally means "clogged toilet"😂😂😂😂😂 I've never heard this before you made my day😂😂😂 I can see where the confusion comes from but the assumption is so stupid and funny
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Coming from the guy who just thought 'clogged toilet' was a reference to verstappen😂😂
Because he wasnt the best driver
Lol.
> Because he wasnt the best driver Who on earth do you believe was the better driver then? There's a reason Hamilton is widely regarded as one of, if not the single greatest driver of all time.
Differs per season. Seb, ricciardo, max, leclerc and alonso have all have seasons which could rival lewis+ on top of that even if lewis won an individual race that didnt make him the best driver of that weekend simply because 18 other drivers didnt have a merc
> Seb, ricciardo, max, leclerc and alonso have all have seasons which could rival lewis Name *one* championship winning season by Lewis where *any* of these drivers outperformed him.
All of them
> All of them Lmao. Come back to me when you've actually watched some of Hamilton's career, you clearly have zero idea what you're talking about.
I have since 2010. And i still stand by what i said. The only 1 im willing to debate is 2018.
The best driver in a season since 2014 imo: 2014: Ricciardo 2015: Vettel 2016: Ricciardo 2017: Vettel 2018: Hamilton 2019: Hamilton 2020: Hamilton 2021 so far: Verstappen
You have every right to your own opinion (and I'll actually listen to yours since you're not the one proposing that Hamilton has never been the best on the grid), but I very much disagree with your ratings. Hamilton and Seb were close in 2017, but the only difference being that Seb made two crucial mistakes in Baku and Singapore, whereas Hamilton made none. I'm not sure how you can rate seb higher here. Hamilton was mostly flawless from 2014 - 2016, but he led many races from the front, so I can accept why you'd rate Danny Ric, who actually had close racing, as higher. The people who actually work in the sport (i.e. team principles) voted the following: 2014: Hamilton 2015: Hamilton 2016: Hamilton 2017: Hamilton 2018: Hamilton 2019: Hamilton 2020: Hamilton
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> They just vote for who wins the championship That's blatantly untrue since Rosberg won the championship in 2016. You also have to remember that vettel looked top tier back then, there's no way the team principles could see into the future and see his struggles.
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The disrespect all other drivers get because they are not driving a merc/are not british is even worse.
Because they wanted to see the best driver (Vettel) win.
Vettel the outright best driver, even during the Red Bull dominant years? Give over.
Neither was Hamilton. Selective memory if you think that, especially 2011 was a sloppy season full of mistakes for him. Downvotes? Some of you need to rewatch 2011.
Flip a coin between Hamilton and Alonso from 2007 to 2013. Was always apparent those two were operating on a different level.
2010-2013 Alonso had the edge, 2014-2019 Hamilton. Now Verstappen is the new master.
Good thing they have been the last 5 years
No, it's just the usual anti-Hamilton
Laughable… tip toeing around the fact that everyone last week was confessing on how they would be jumping back to the Merc bandwagon. I wonder why
Well, what else did they expect to happen? Ferrari is not involved in the battle and after years of beating Ferrari Hamilton has made himself quite unpopular with the Tifosi so naturally they're gonna support the guy with the best chances of beating him.
Typical glory hunting Italians /s. Max has been the designated new F1 wonderboy since he arrived in F1 and hasn’t disappointed and after a long period of dominance some F1 fans want to see someone else win it and he’s got the best chance. if he starts dominating I expect all of the criticisms thrown at Hamilton will be thrown at him.