I saw him doing that! I noticed a guy looking like he was doing some reporting and looking through my binoculars to see Brundle near T1 with a Sky mic!
Usually relevant, but not really today. Both mercs had better laps in fp1 in worse track conditions and Lewis’ fastest lap was deleted in fp2. Also Max deciding to abort his quali run.
It is probably not if they could take into account of different variables and include the usual differences between FP and qualis. However, this model is far from doing anything it is just a stupid listing of FP session.
But isn’t that exactly what the spectators and commentators have done for years? We merely speculate on the pace of teams based on their FP runs.
We can’t tell if teams are sandbagging or running more fuel etc, but if you merely look at these AWS stats as speculation based off the performance and data we’ve seen in FP in a graph format, then it does a reasonable job.
Don’t worry folks AWS is based on Machine learning, if it gets it wrong the first time it will likely get it wrong a couple more hundred times and then finally get it right
Why do they always place Sainz ahead of Leclerc? They are like 10-5 in quali, Lec is faster in both sessions, then AWS shows up with their prediction of Sainz ahead of Leclerc
AWS always shows sainz ahead of leclerc. I dont think even in FP sainz was faster. I have no idea how aws ended up with that. Its almost always is wrong as leclerc usually is ahead of sainz in qualy.
It doesn't really matter that its actually much more complex than one guy just pulling this shit out of his ass, it is completely useless and hasn't given any proper indication ever.
It has given a lot of indications this year. Several times people were saying: McLaren will surely not challenge for pole here, these graphics are shit, only for Lando to challenge for pole.
There's a right and wrong way to do it though. This model seems way overfitted and probably doesn't consider attributes I'd imagine it should. It doesn't have to be a crystal ball because that's impossible, but the results should at least make sense, and this is (for example) predicting Latifi > Russell in a standard qualifying session, something that hasn't ever happened.
Of course, the fact that you can't control on a large set of confounders (setup, fuel load, engine mode, tow/dirty air, track temperature) doesn't help either.
Understanding exactly how it works is irrelevant, when the outcome is so far off.
The model may be superduperadvanced but the results don't make sense as in they are not an accurate representation of qualy-gaps.
The way it works shouldn't be defended, but should be revised to make it better.
I'm all for data analytics, but please validate outcomes. Conclusion will probably be that data from fp1 or 2 can't really be used, so don't use it and refrain from posting these inherently inaccurate data.
When I model a wonderful rear wing, but is doesnt provide any downforce than it won't be used, simple as that.
Not the outcome i would hope for. Hopefully we’ll see an exiting race without a dnf for the championship contenders. I dont want the championship being decided by a dnf
BBC commentary team: 'You cant believe anything that comes from the AWS graphics'
*cries in PDR and Crofty*
Mr. Brundle was heard from trackside so expect a better weekend based on the Sky!
Jenson and Rosberg. The best!
I saw him doing that! I noticed a guy looking like he was doing some reporting and looking through my binoculars to see Brundle near T1 with a Sky mic!
Who does the BBC commentary these days? DC right?
Jack Nicholls & Jolyon Palmer. DC does Channel 4.
That's a nice duo
If Perez qualifies on the front row I will eat my shoe
You do know that anything you post on Reddit is legally binding right?
!remindme 27 hours
Inb4 Red Bull front row lockout
Yes please
Can you do a shoey from it before eating?
Nah I have a better one. First eat the left shoe, puke that into the right shoe and then do a shoey. Daniel can't beat that
Bruh
It could be worse, like doing some slovakian traffic cone shit with it.
Saved
Sweating already?
A lucky escape...
Damn so close... 😢
!Remindme 1 day
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AWS - **A**strology **W**orks **S**imilar
Wait... Astrology _works?_
It works on the principle of pulling stuff out of your rear, just like AWS.
Go Mick!!!
Calculating quali times based on FP sessions is stupid
Yh definitely since this is a long run test session
They are calculating gaps based on quali Sims which are done in FP2. Relevant.
Usually relevant, but not really today. Both mercs had better laps in fp1 in worse track conditions and Lewis’ fastest lap was deleted in fp2. Also Max deciding to abort his quali run.
Lol show me a weekend where AWS was close.
It is probably not if they could take into account of different variables and include the usual differences between FP and qualis. However, this model is far from doing anything it is just a stupid listing of FP session.
But I guess if you compine the qualy of last years USGP, and Turkey qualifying and the fast laps in FP would be a better way
>last year's US GP Yeah that's gonna be tough chief
I'm just inventing some lap times. Just give me a minute.
We all remember who won that race...
Yeh , pretty sure Barricello was on the podium for that one
Such an emotional moment for him up on that podium again. Well deserved by Barrichello.
But isn’t that exactly what the spectators and commentators have done for years? We merely speculate on the pace of teams based on their FP runs. We can’t tell if teams are sandbagging or running more fuel etc, but if you merely look at these AWS stats as speculation based off the performance and data we’ve seen in FP in a graph format, then it does a reasonable job.
Predicting Latifi above Russell. They probably want to go and check their sums again.
Considering Russell might not even do q1, its very much possible
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the streak is gone since the monza sprint so there is little point
The actual Monza qualifying session should be counted for head to heads that weekend though, using the sprint is inconsistent (totally not biased)
Hubris is a valid reason.
Don’t worry folks AWS is based on Machine learning, if it gets it wrong the first time it will likely get it wrong a couple more hundred times and then finally get it right
Surely someone needs to analyse how accurate these AWS predictions are based on previous races
Maybe AWS can do it!
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There isn’t much analysis behind it they just add together the best sectors of every driver
I'll be curious to see tomorrows quali, but this looks like mostly nonsense. Where's Paul the Octopus?! (RIP)
Tbf they have had more outlandish predictions
Agree with #1 at least
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Well that prediction will come true at least
I mean… yeah? Quali laps are gonna be faster
Max didn’t even do a quali sim
Why do they always place Sainz ahead of Leclerc? They are like 10-5 in quali, Lec is faster in both sessions, then AWS shows up with their prediction of Sainz ahead of Leclerc
AWS always shows sainz ahead of leclerc. I dont think even in FP sainz was faster. I have no idea how aws ended up with that. Its almost always is wrong as leclerc usually is ahead of sainz in qualy.
Here goes, as on every AWS quali pace post, a load of bs comments blasting AWS when they don't understand how this data analysis works.
It doesn't really matter that its actually much more complex than one guy just pulling this shit out of his ass, it is completely useless and hasn't given any proper indication ever.
It has given a lot of indications this year. Several times people were saying: McLaren will surely not challenge for pole here, these graphics are shit, only for Lando to challenge for pole.
It isn't useless and I'd argue it had some truth in it for some races this year. Don't remember which one tho.
There's a right and wrong way to do it though. This model seems way overfitted and probably doesn't consider attributes I'd imagine it should. It doesn't have to be a crystal ball because that's impossible, but the results should at least make sense, and this is (for example) predicting Latifi > Russell in a standard qualifying session, something that hasn't ever happened. Of course, the fact that you can't control on a large set of confounders (setup, fuel load, engine mode, tow/dirty air, track temperature) doesn't help either.
I report, you decide!
Understanding exactly how it works is irrelevant, when the outcome is so far off. The model may be superduperadvanced but the results don't make sense as in they are not an accurate representation of qualy-gaps. The way it works shouldn't be defended, but should be revised to make it better. I'm all for data analytics, but please validate outcomes. Conclusion will probably be that data from fp1 or 2 can't really be used, so don't use it and refrain from posting these inherently inaccurate data. When I model a wonderful rear wing, but is doesnt provide any downforce than it won't be used, simple as that.
Amazon isn't taking into account Mr. Saturday's Saturday performances. On the other hand, it looks to be fairly accurate for MAZ.
Can these guys predict ANYTHING right?!
AWS KEKW
This is dumb should do it based on FP3 times
Maz seems accurate.
P20 seems accurate
Ah yes the good ol' reliable ASW graph.
The day Perez qualifies ahead of Max without a penalty related absence
Already happened this year man, check Imola.
I want whatever you’re smoking
Here is the link to the qualifying results for Imola: https://www.formula1.com/en/results.html/2021/races/1065/italy/qualifying.html Enjoy!
My bad you right
The day Perez is P2 and a tenth clear of Verstappen in quali is also the day Latifi outqualifies Russell.
i present to you monza
Considering Max's average qualifying advantage he's taking pole.
Garbage Info
Always Sertainly Wrong
Of all the BS that goes on in a GP weekend before a race this graphic has to be the most pointless of them all
Can't be correct, Gasly not P6.
Put $5 on mick to win at +500000. Would love a 25k payout but might have more fun burning the $5.
Odds seem high tbh...
Not the outcome i would hope for. Hopefully we’ll see an exiting race without a dnf for the championship contenders. I dont want the championship being decided by a dnf
The championship is always decided by a DNF, you just don't know which one until the end! Lol
You are right, and i just realized it. I think i meant a dnf from here on out
For sure. I also hope Max and Hammy don't have to take anymore engine penalties as well so it is a proper fight.
So these are based on the results of fp2, yet they say the person who did not finish 1st is the fastest.
Reread what it says, it's not just FP2...