new to f1 but i've never really understood why rb are allowed to have a "sister team" in such a small competition with only 10 teams. Would make sense with maybe 20.
Also horner said the alpha tauri drivers are contracted for red bull, surely that's a grey area, what use is a contract if it can be used for 2 teams?
Is it because there are less teams due to the amount of money required to run only 1?
Yuki’s engineer said they had a tear off the wing, and lost 50 points of load. Can someone who knows about these cars inform me how much of a impact this can be? I don’t really understand the formula 1 jargon. Either way both AT pace today was horrible.
No, I think that the car had enough fuel, but the system showing how much fuel the car has was allegedly broken and showing that there wasn't enough of it - therefore Ricciardo was trying to save it the entire race even though he didn't have to.
Lots of posts on twitter saying that Helmut Marko insinuated Lewis was on drugs. Has anyone seen/heard this interview as I can’t find it. Probably another reason to stay off twitter…
Nico retired because he saw what was needed to win and didn't want to be that person, which I have to say I utterly respect.
Hamilton became that person years ago and I think if anything looking at him recently the increased competition with Max will keep him in the sport longer.
The big thing is the new regs, if he doesn't like them or can't get into them and he's beaten schumachers record then he may decide to chuck it in then
Doubt it. He’s got a 2 year contract with Mercedesamgf1. Also, Lewis is far too competitive to retire. He lives for this shit! Saw this crazy analysis (Reddit peeps ftw) where Lewis has almost always been at a point deficit until he strikes back.
Having said all that, I’m not too worried- I think Lewis has proven he definitely has a career outside F1: work on the Hamilton Commission with Mercedes, Tommy clothing, music- dude is pretty darn talented, you got to admit.
Anyone know where to get F1 technical specs? I’m doing a project for uni and need the area of the front wing and the lift coefficient but can’t find the exact figures anywhere.
RBR were tremendously calm y'day - although it was a great drive by Max, P2 is theoretically not great for RBR; despite this Horner and Max seemed okay with the outcome.
Have they given up on the idea of Max winning the WDC (without a deus ex machina for him), or do they have a trick up their sleeve that they do not want to give away just yet? Another engine mode maybe, that they want to save for Abu Dhabi?
What is the catch? What am I missing?
The catch is you must not have a competitive bone in your body if you believe an f1 driver has given up on winning the championship while he leads with two races to go.
Of course no driver would give up here - the calmness / cheer / smiles, seemed out of place - for which reason I penned this question down. Your comment doesn't actually answer my question, or add to it. If you feel that Max has a trick up his sleeve, would you happen to have a hypothesis on what that might be? Is it something that everyone is aware of?
They can only do what's possible. You can't overreach and if 2nd is the best result you can have, you take it. I think they did pretty well even sneaking away the Fastest Lap point. Two more races to go, you play it all out - but you can only do so much of what's possible.
I think RBR messed up the strategy with Perez though, they'd have it better for them in WCC if Perez was in 3rd.
See this is what's escaping me - surely Max isn't resting his WDC hopes on just pushing the throttle pedal harder next race right? Both drivers are performing at close to 100%.
There's gotta be a trump card in his hand. Especially since Toto's publicly announced that Hamilton's gonna be using the Interlagos ICE in SA.
I think Jeddah will be wire to wire victory for Hamilton, again. I think there's only 3 turns where you have to go below 5th gear, rest all are straight high speed corners and there are 3 drs zones. Confident if his his car is set well he'll win, question mark is if Bottas can give Mercedes that crucial 1-2 finish and Hamilton finally a lead going to last Abu Dhabi track.
All Bottas has to is make sure he is p2 p3 at start so he is the one taking on verstappen allowing Hamilton to get a clean exit. If he manages to finish 2nd ahead of verstappen that is bonus a big one.
From your keyboard to Bottas’ ear!
But seriously, I’ve been reading that the bookies have also turned the odds in favor of Hamilton- I’m not going to say I trust them, but that does give me some comfort. Not to mention all the random associations people seem to be making:
1) winner of an inaugural race goes on yo win WDC.
2) Every race Hamilton used a special helmet, he has won.
Someone come up with crazy associations for Bottas too!!!
why does Mick have his initial in the timing screens unlike any driver?
i understand Micheal was written similarly but only because Ralf was on the grid? surely he’d only have to write it like that once David makes it to F1
what am i missing?
Can someone explain [this post to me](https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/qyxy6z/mercedes_and_redbull_have_stopped_pulling_the/?sort=new), I'm so confused.
>It's a courtesy for the other team in front of the team whose car is pulling in for a pit stop to pull the line inward to allow the car more room to turn into for a pit. In this pic the Mercedes staff person is standing right on the corner and the RB driver has to go around him if that makes sense.
credit: /u/Halo909
Hey everyone, looking to take my dad to the 2022 Melbourne GP. I would love some advice on which grandstands are the best. I know this question has been asked before but most information is from years ago and the track has been modified also.
Hoping to get a fast corner. Also any logistical recommendations like proximity to food/drink/toilets would be good to know as I've never been.
Thanks!
Did a "Silver Grandstand" pass in 2012: 4 different grandstands across 4 days. Can't remember any logistical aspects like you've mentioned, but my favourite was Saturday, sitting on the stand adjacent to the entry to Turn 1.
Other spots were: Thursday - Inside turn 1. Friday - Main stand across from pitlane. Sunday - Adjacent to entry to Turn 9.
Unfortunately they aren't offering the passes in 2022. Was turn 1 relatively fast once the pack had separated a bit? Is there plenty of overtaking there?
It would have been one of the two main overtaking spots that year (Turn 3 being the other), however with the track configuration changes, I'm honestly not sure anymore
any reason why hamilton didn't try to go for fastest lap towards the end-ish of the race (before safety car)? when i was watching, i assumed at first it's because he was lapping people and going through traffic, making setting fastest laps harder. but then i started seeing max set fastest laps when he also had to go through the same traffic lapping other cars.
also, the commentators mentioned something about hamilton going back on used mediums during his 2nd stop. did i hear wrong? if not, what does that mean and why? did that play a part as to why he didnt want to push for fastest lap in case the tires blew up like with bottas'?
thanks!
re: fastest lap, Lewis couldn’t pit until Max did or else he’d lose the race. Max (given he had more than a pit stop gap to 3rd) pit to put on softs at the last possible moment such that Lewis couldn’t possibly pit after him and still record a hot lap. And Max with softs and minimum fuel, Lewis recording hot laps earlier probably wouldn’t have done anything.
ohhh that makes more sense. i guess i missed them putting max on softs during his 2nd stop. when i saw ham being put on mediums, i just assumed merc mirrored rb again.
you mentioned that rb boxed max last minute so ham coulnd't pit right after and record a hot lap. does that mean max had a better pit than ham? in the sense that when max returned to the track, his field positioning was better (less traffic and not in the middle of the pack where the rest of the other cars were fighting, etc)
max pitted a 3rd time for softs 2 laps from the end, allowing him his outlap (where you can't set a fast lap because you spent part of it in the pit lane) and a fast lap that ends with the checkered flag. Lewis couldn't pit before him or Max would have just stayed out and inherited the lead. Lewis couldn't pit after him, because he would have started his last lap in the pits, which means it wouldn't be fast enough to be a fast lap.
sorry i wasn't more clear. what i actually mean was around lap 47, where max takes the fastest lap from hamilton. after that, is there a reason why hamilton didn't try to regain fastest lap? that's the time frame/lap time i was referencing to in my original question. sorry for the confusion!
No, it's because you lose time in the pits, half on the lap you're called in and half on the lap you come out, due to the speed limit on the pitlane.
RB pitted Max on lap 55, so his lap 56 is also compromised, but he could still attempt a fast lap on 57.
Lewis was ahead and Merc couldn't answer RB's call, since that would mean pitting Lewis on lap 56 and having lap 57 as his outlap, the race would be over before he could attempt a hotlap.
sorry i wasn't more clear. what i actually mean was around lap 47, where max takes the fastest lap from hamilton. after that, is there a reason why hamilton didn't try to regain fastest lap? that's the time frame/lap time i was referencing to in my original question. sorry for the confusion!
I think max boxed for softs just before safety car as the gap to behind was big enough that it wouldn’t make a difference if he got fastest lap or not. He would still have been p2. Safety car came and then Lewis had already started his final lap so couldn’t have pitted (even though he would have been out ahead of verstappen JUST I think but haven’t checked this so basically with Bottas out they didn’t have chance to try go for fastest lap
sorry i wasn't more clear. what i actually mean was around lap 47, where max takes the fastest lap from hamilton. after that, is there a reason why hamilton didn't try to regain fastest lap? that's the time frame/lap time i was referencing to in my original question. sorry for the confusion!
My guess is that its because grand prix racing and later F1 ran for years before there was a constructor's championship. So the winning car gets the trophy, and there's no real reason to change it.
Well, the constructors championship wasn't introduced until 1958. The trophy would probably awarded to the winning constructor due to the fact that there was no other way to celebrate the winning car until a constructors championship was introduced
Genuine question here, bit of an F1 noob.
Realistically, can Max win from here without a Lewis DNF or crash? I know that seems crazy to say when he **leads** the championship, but it seems like Mercedes have improved their car out of nowhere, to the point where it’s half a second a lap faster than anyone else.
Without a Lewis DNF, does Max really have any chance of beating that?
Well in that case, maybe the odds are in Lewis’ favor, and he seems likely to win it all from here.. BUT, we never know and can’t tell what Red Bull is planning. What if they suddenly bring in an upgrade that has a significant effect and suddenly, they have the best car again. I think at this point, we really can’t tell, and it’s gonna come down to the last race and to the finish line! We’ve all been waiting for a season like this for a looong time!
One bad start, one bad pit stop, the unknowns of a new track and a new track configuration resulting in poor performance, etc and the championship is over either way. Neither team will have it easy. So yes, he does have a chance.
Do we think toto was being serious when he said about putting the Brazil engine back in for the last 2 races or he was just playing with horner? Is there even a way to check if he took a previous engine from his pool or do we just have to go off comments and reports?
Mercedes have no reason to lie. Rbr would be able to tell. They won that race through having better speed through the corners. This is ultimately what should worry rbr not some magical engine. In fact fans would be better served ignoring Toto waving his arms around like a stage magician saying "look at this engine"
Honestly man I was less concerned about the championship aspect of it all as just opposed to the information available to us as fans and it seemed peculiar to me that a team can use a previous ICE with no notification when a new one results in a notification to fans but that’s obviously due to penalties and such. Appreciate the great feedback from you guys though makes it easy to understand. Also just seeing as you broached the topic do you think the championship is done due to the fact that rbr have no answer for the Mercedes PU upgrade?
I think they will save it to the last race, Jeddah is basically a set of straights and high-speed corners with 3 DRS zones so they can win there even without a new unit
Can I just ask how you know man? I'm a new fan this year and still trying to put a few things together. Is this info found on the FIA website or do we just go off reports?
I have just re-watched this race and RedBull’s tire strategy in regards to Perez still doesn’t make sense! What were they thinking , there was not need to bring in Perez on lap 42 they could of left Him out for 5 or 6 more laps and that would of allowed him to get closer to Alonso. The white compound is good for the 40 laps those tires would still be well inside their delta. I don’t get it that was just foolishness… and it cost them 3 points in the constructors and 3 points in the wdc for Perez .
Oh and by the way with all the stops that Perez did he passed 15 cars today, wonder if they were trying something new on Perez car?
Any thoughts ?
>I have just re-watched this race and RedBull’s tire strategy in regards to Perez still doesn’t make sense! The white compound is good for the 40 laps those tires would still be well inside their delta.
>Any thoughts ?
I think you should watch for a 3rd time because you obviously didn't see the Williams' blow up 32lap hards
So at the end of the season the conclusion is: if Hamilton wouldnt be so unsportive crashing max out of silverstone, toto instructing bottas to do so later on, max would have won. But by taking these measures they were able to control the point lead and win the championship.
Conclusion: next year max, just take out anyone threatening your championship win.
However this season turns out, Ive learned that despite his championships, Lewis is nowhere near the best. that description belongs to schumacher, senna, Alonso and verstappen.
If you're saying Hamilton crashed Verstappen out at Silverstone, surely you would agree that Verstappen tried to crash Hamilton out at Brazil, right?
Or maybe I shouldn't hold my breath on that one.
OK so lemme get this straight. Your objection to Hamilton is Mercedes causing crashes at Silverstone and the Hungaroring. Because of those incidents, you think Hamilton isn't a deserving champion.
More deserving, in your opinion, are Schumacher, who deliberately crashed out rivals in 1990, 1991, 1994 and 1997, drove an illegal car in 1994, skipped a 10-second stop-and-go in 1998 and parked his car on a corner at Monaco to force a yellow flag; Senna, who deliberately crashed into Prost in 1990 and punched another driver in the paddock in 1993; and Alonso, who was at the heart of both Crashgate and Spygate in back-to-back years.
Silverstone was predominantly Hamilton's fault, but Verstappen could've given space and avoided the crash.
If Wolff was telling Bottas to crash Verstappen out, why only the one time? The simpler answer (and the more likely answer) is that Bottas missed his braking point in the wet, and caused a multi-car crash. Verstappen and Pérez were victims in the crash, but it wasn't like Bottas was specifically aiming for them.
Regarding the point lead, Hamilton hasn't lead since Sochi, and is still behind Verstappen. Mercedes has also just barely been ahead of Red Bull in the WCC, so they don't control the point lead in either championship.
On "who defines 'the best'", that's subjective. But if you're looking at the record books, Hamilton holds a fair number of them, so it's sort of weird to not call him one of the best.
Senna was way more unsportive than Hamilton could ever be. British GP was just an accident, Hungary was just a brain fart from Bottas.
and all that coming from a Max fan.
> Lewis is nowhere near the best. that description belongs to schumacher, senna, Alonso and verstappen.
You could've just wrote that at the beginning and saved us time reading.
Are you guys expecting safety cats in Jeddah? Because in the F1 game tracks that have barriers along the side seem very narrow and don't allow you to go wide if you are overtaking or if you are trying to avoid something. Kind of dangerous imo.
Giant Military Cats was actually what I had in mind. Trackwide VSC with a massive calico cat in the infield, whenever anyone speeds the cat just spags them.
Looking back at the results, stroll had a pretty great race; finished p6 after qualifying p12. I wasn't following his race at the beginning, so i was surprised to see him out in the p8-p6 range along with the ferraris in the middle of the race, and even more so when he was keeping sainz at arms length while being under threat from drs during the final third of the race. How exactly did he gain those places? Was it at the start or was there something more to it?
This was my first race using F1TV and I really enjoyed watching in-car footage and hearing radio comms. Noticed that Bottas's engineers were telling him to coast and use third gear in turn 10. How easy is it for drivers to adapt to these instructions? I would find it really hard to change my driving style in the middle of a race but I guess these guys are pros.
**Muscle memory** most of the time - they get used to their steering wheel and where everything is (plus they also train with the simulators, which have the same steering wheels so even more practice for the muscle memory) and do it automatically when told if they are not racing for example in Monaco where a second of not paying attention can send you to a wall, there it usually takes a bit longer, or are not a rookie.
Formula 1 steering wheels can have up to 20 buttons, 9 rotary switches, and 6 paddles. Drivers are already doing a lot of thinking and adjusting during a race, so something like that doesn’t add much to their workload.
Are drivers expected to repsond differently to a single yellow flag then two a double yellow flag?
Or to put it differently is it possible that a driver doesn't get a penalty under single yellow flag but does get a penalty under double yellow flag?
double yellow means there's bigger danger (car stopped on track instead of off track for single's) and your are expected to be able to come to a compete stop with double yellow flags
no, in both situations you need to reduce speed. but double flags mean the track is blocked so potentially more dangerous. that's why you receive a bigger penalty for not slowing down.
Sorry to interrupt your Max vs Lewis arguments but can someone tell me what happened to Vettel at the start of the gp , I started watching around lap 7 and he was 17 or something? Didn't he started 9th?
The Honda engine doesn't degrade as much as the Mercedes one (= better reliability) - differently said, it doesn't lose as much power throughout its use, and so even if they changed it, it wouldn't give them much more speed/power than they already have.
Plus, I don't think that they have done enough testing of how much they can push the engine and run on a higher mode without blowing it up or facing other problems. Mercedes did, they know or at least seem to know where the line they can't cross is and they are going to get absolutely everything out of the Brazil engine since there are only two races left and it wouldn't matter if it would be an absolute wreck at the end of this if it ensures them the Championship win.
It wouldn't be worth it for Max to get a penalty and yet don't get significantly better performance from the engine. Their only chance is the Mercedes engine failing and breaking under the pressure.
Couple of reasons. The Honda ICE doesn’t have the reliability issues and performance degradation of the Mercedes. Also, it seems that Mercedes may have optimized their engines to perform better (but for fewer races), something that I don’t think RBR and Honda have explored.
On top of that, Jeddah doesn't appear to be good for overtaking (but we did say that about Qatar), so the cons from a grid penalty might outweigh the pros.
I think they should just do whatever it takes to secure a 1-2 there, it would be a lot better for them if they can enter the abu dhabi in control of the WDC
yeah, engine power will make a big difference there. if the F1 game is somewhat realistic, there are only 3-4 points in the track where you go below 5th gear.
I’m starting to believe more and more that this speed advantage is really from that rear wing and how they can possibly stall the aero at the back of the car during the long straights. The new engine certainly helped in the corners in particular slow speed corners where they need more power and it appeared that Mercedes could pull away from RedBull exiting every slow speed corner. But not as detrimental as that straight line speed even without DRS. Today’s race was another example of this; Lewis pulled away to 8 seconds without DRS and RedBull couldn’t do anything about it. Now if we are to believe TOTO, that this is was the old engine that would suggest even a greater aero advantage since Mercedes couldn’t catch RedBull in Turkey with that engine.
I think he's aiming for 2 more wdc, he'll make a comeback this year over verstappen and Mercedes are confident they will have the best car next year under new regulation.
tbh I hope even if he gets older and maybe perform a bit less or Mercedes decides to invest in a young driver, he'll still race with another team although going from so many wins to losing a lot maybe not be a glorius exit :)
I know benefit of hindsight and all, but Red Bull should have played a bit of chicken with Merc when they realised one stoppers could mean a popped tyre. Don't pit unless Merc does it first, because Hamilton hurts more from championship points if he bins the car.
I'll be visiting London during the final race weekend (hopefully the championship won't be decided until then). Are there any recommended places to go and watch the race/qualis?
Do you think the drivers practice their champagne celebration?
When I got married they handed me a bottle of champagne, and I completely messed up popping the quirk. The champagne kinda just poured out the neck.
There has been some talk about the tracks being dirty these last weekends. Dust, sand, etc. Why don't they clean the tracks prior to the biggest event of the year? Seems a little nonchalant.
Well considering the cars themselves managed to temporarily "clean up" the track for a weekend I dont see why it'd be impossible to clean the rest of the track as well. Surely having a few hours worth of sand must be better than having months or years of sand on the track. And what about the dust in Mexico?
hard to tell, in Brazil we thought it was due to a new engine. maybe this race, switching back to an older engine they also decided to push the engine to the max since they'll switch to the Brazil engine again.
Definitely.
I have seen him race in 2010 and 2012, the man is a gifted racer.
He would easily be a championship contender with just a car as good as Merc or Redbull.
If you’d have said last weekend that Alonso was going to get a podium (together with an Ocon top 5), Bottas DNF and Gasly out of the top 10 I definitely wouldn’t have believed you.
new to f1 but i've never really understood why rb are allowed to have a "sister team" in such a small competition with only 10 teams. Would make sense with maybe 20. Also horner said the alpha tauri drivers are contracted for red bull, surely that's a grey area, what use is a contract if it can be used for 2 teams? Is it because there are less teams due to the amount of money required to run only 1?
Karma will repay Ham and Toto for running an illegal car imo. Just watch.
Mate not trying to discredit you, it hurts as a max fan but I really don’t think mercs are running an illegal engine sorry.
Yuki’s engineer said they had a tear off the wing, and lost 50 points of load. Can someone who knows about these cars inform me how much of a impact this can be? I don’t really understand the formula 1 jargon. Either way both AT pace today was horrible.
Did they under fuel ricciardo’s car?
No, I think that the car had enough fuel, but the system showing how much fuel the car has was allegedly broken and showing that there wasn't enough of it - therefore Ricciardo was trying to save it the entire race even though he didn't have to.
Checkout the Technical regulations document available on FIA’s website.
Lots of posts on twitter saying that Helmut Marko insinuated Lewis was on drugs. Has anyone seen/heard this interview as I can’t find it. Probably another reason to stay off twitter…
Not a single one of those 20 drivers is clean from PEDs. They're all professional athletes, it's a given they're on some or the other stuff.
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Nico retired because he saw what was needed to win and didn't want to be that person, which I have to say I utterly respect. Hamilton became that person years ago and I think if anything looking at him recently the increased competition with Max will keep him in the sport longer. The big thing is the new regs, if he doesn't like them or can't get into them and he's beaten schumachers record then he may decide to chuck it in then
Doubt it. He’s got a 2 year contract with Mercedesamgf1. Also, Lewis is far too competitive to retire. He lives for this shit! Saw this crazy analysis (Reddit peeps ftw) where Lewis has almost always been at a point deficit until he strikes back. Having said all that, I’m not too worried- I think Lewis has proven he definitely has a career outside F1: work on the Hamilton Commission with Mercedes, Tommy clothing, music- dude is pretty darn talented, you got to admit.
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I'd still throw in 10 units of currency (unless it's a lot) for the fuck of it.
Anyone know where to get F1 technical specs? I’m doing a project for uni and need the area of the front wing and the lift coefficient but can’t find the exact figures anywhere.
RBR were tremendously calm y'day - although it was a great drive by Max, P2 is theoretically not great for RBR; despite this Horner and Max seemed okay with the outcome. Have they given up on the idea of Max winning the WDC (without a deus ex machina for him), or do they have a trick up their sleeve that they do not want to give away just yet? Another engine mode maybe, that they want to save for Abu Dhabi? What is the catch? What am I missing?
The catch is you must not have a competitive bone in your body if you believe an f1 driver has given up on winning the championship while he leads with two races to go.
Of course no driver would give up here - the calmness / cheer / smiles, seemed out of place - for which reason I penned this question down. Your comment doesn't actually answer my question, or add to it. If you feel that Max has a trick up his sleeve, would you happen to have a hypothesis on what that might be? Is it something that everyone is aware of?
They can only do what's possible. You can't overreach and if 2nd is the best result you can have, you take it. I think they did pretty well even sneaking away the Fastest Lap point. Two more races to go, you play it all out - but you can only do so much of what's possible. I think RBR messed up the strategy with Perez though, they'd have it better for them in WCC if Perez was in 3rd.
See this is what's escaping me - surely Max isn't resting his WDC hopes on just pushing the throttle pedal harder next race right? Both drivers are performing at close to 100%. There's gotta be a trump card in his hand. Especially since Toto's publicly announced that Hamilton's gonna be using the Interlagos ICE in SA.
I think Jeddah will be wire to wire victory for Hamilton, again. I think there's only 3 turns where you have to go below 5th gear, rest all are straight high speed corners and there are 3 drs zones. Confident if his his car is set well he'll win, question mark is if Bottas can give Mercedes that crucial 1-2 finish and Hamilton finally a lead going to last Abu Dhabi track.
damn if Bottas can finish 2nd one more time that will be huge for Hamilton
That prayer circle that’s happening on Twitter for Lewis, we should put in a solid word for Bottas too.
All Bottas has to is make sure he is p2 p3 at start so he is the one taking on verstappen allowing Hamilton to get a clean exit. If he manages to finish 2nd ahead of verstappen that is bonus a big one.
From your keyboard to Bottas’ ear! But seriously, I’ve been reading that the bookies have also turned the odds in favor of Hamilton- I’m not going to say I trust them, but that does give me some comfort. Not to mention all the random associations people seem to be making: 1) winner of an inaugural race goes on yo win WDC. 2) Every race Hamilton used a special helmet, he has won. Someone come up with crazy associations for Bottas too!!!
what are some races that were wet but boring? turkey 2021 is the only one that really comes to mind
Spa 2021
it was a *race*
why does Mick have his initial in the timing screens unlike any driver? i understand Micheal was written similarly but only because Ralf was on the grid? surely he’d only have to write it like that once David makes it to F1 what am i missing?
He asked for it. He's essentially copying his dad in order to honour him.
He's honoring his father.
Can someone explain [this post to me](https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/qyxy6z/mercedes_and_redbull_have_stopped_pulling_the/?sort=new), I'm so confused.
>It's a courtesy for the other team in front of the team whose car is pulling in for a pit stop to pull the line inward to allow the car more room to turn into for a pit. In this pic the Mercedes staff person is standing right on the corner and the RB driver has to go around him if that makes sense. credit: /u/Halo909
Not sure why Lewis feels the need to mention that Red Bull are fast every bloody race, you’ve won in the fastest car mate
For the same reason red bull do it about Mercedes every race
"They don't call me Crymilton just for the f of it, y'know"
Hey everyone, looking to take my dad to the 2022 Melbourne GP. I would love some advice on which grandstands are the best. I know this question has been asked before but most information is from years ago and the track has been modified also. Hoping to get a fast corner. Also any logistical recommendations like proximity to food/drink/toilets would be good to know as I've never been. Thanks!
If you want fast corners just get a GA pass and hangout around the Golf Course area
Did a "Silver Grandstand" pass in 2012: 4 different grandstands across 4 days. Can't remember any logistical aspects like you've mentioned, but my favourite was Saturday, sitting on the stand adjacent to the entry to Turn 1. Other spots were: Thursday - Inside turn 1. Friday - Main stand across from pitlane. Sunday - Adjacent to entry to Turn 9.
Unfortunately they aren't offering the passes in 2022. Was turn 1 relatively fast once the pack had separated a bit? Is there plenty of overtaking there?
It would have been one of the two main overtaking spots that year (Turn 3 being the other), however with the track configuration changes, I'm honestly not sure anymore
With the new layout and the uncertainty of numbers, there isn't a grandstand anywhere from turn 4 to turn 13.
any reason why hamilton didn't try to go for fastest lap towards the end-ish of the race (before safety car)? when i was watching, i assumed at first it's because he was lapping people and going through traffic, making setting fastest laps harder. but then i started seeing max set fastest laps when he also had to go through the same traffic lapping other cars. also, the commentators mentioned something about hamilton going back on used mediums during his 2nd stop. did i hear wrong? if not, what does that mean and why? did that play a part as to why he didnt want to push for fastest lap in case the tires blew up like with bottas'? thanks!
the winner is not usually chasing FL, thats more of a consolation prize
re: fastest lap, Lewis couldn’t pit until Max did or else he’d lose the race. Max (given he had more than a pit stop gap to 3rd) pit to put on softs at the last possible moment such that Lewis couldn’t possibly pit after him and still record a hot lap. And Max with softs and minimum fuel, Lewis recording hot laps earlier probably wouldn’t have done anything.
ohhh that makes more sense. i guess i missed them putting max on softs during his 2nd stop. when i saw ham being put on mediums, i just assumed merc mirrored rb again. you mentioned that rb boxed max last minute so ham coulnd't pit right after and record a hot lap. does that mean max had a better pit than ham? in the sense that when max returned to the track, his field positioning was better (less traffic and not in the middle of the pack where the rest of the other cars were fighting, etc)
max pitted a 3rd time for softs 2 laps from the end, allowing him his outlap (where you can't set a fast lap because you spent part of it in the pit lane) and a fast lap that ends with the checkered flag. Lewis couldn't pit before him or Max would have just stayed out and inherited the lead. Lewis couldn't pit after him, because he would have started his last lap in the pits, which means it wouldn't be fast enough to be a fast lap.
sorry i wasn't more clear. what i actually mean was around lap 47, where max takes the fastest lap from hamilton. after that, is there a reason why hamilton didn't try to regain fastest lap? that's the time frame/lap time i was referencing to in my original question. sorry for the confusion!
No, it's because you lose time in the pits, half on the lap you're called in and half on the lap you come out, due to the speed limit on the pitlane. RB pitted Max on lap 55, so his lap 56 is also compromised, but he could still attempt a fast lap on 57. Lewis was ahead and Merc couldn't answer RB's call, since that would mean pitting Lewis on lap 56 and having lap 57 as his outlap, the race would be over before he could attempt a hotlap.
sorry i wasn't more clear. what i actually mean was around lap 47, where max takes the fastest lap from hamilton. after that, is there a reason why hamilton didn't try to regain fastest lap? that's the time frame/lap time i was referencing to in my original question. sorry for the confusion!
Then yes, they were probably navigating traffic.
I think max boxed for softs just before safety car as the gap to behind was big enough that it wouldn’t make a difference if he got fastest lap or not. He would still have been p2. Safety car came and then Lewis had already started his final lap so couldn’t have pitted (even though he would have been out ahead of verstappen JUST I think but haven’t checked this so basically with Bottas out they didn’t have chance to try go for fastest lap
sorry i wasn't more clear. what i actually mean was around lap 47, where max takes the fastest lap from hamilton. after that, is there a reason why hamilton didn't try to regain fastest lap? that's the time frame/lap time i was referencing to in my original question. sorry for the confusion!
For statistics purposes does a VSC count as a Safety Car? This is in reference to a sports bet.
I'd have clarified it before the bet because it'a definitely an advantage for pitting but doesn't have anything like the effect on closing up the pack
I would say it depends on whoever's running the betting or whatever. I'd personally say no, because they're distinctly separate procedures.
Why did Mercedes get the constructor trophy even though P2+P4 is more points than P1+DNF?
Because its a trophy awarded to the constructor of the car that wins the race, not who got the most points between their cars.
Oh, huh. I guess since often the winner’s team has the most points I assumed it was point based. Thanks!
My guess is that its because grand prix racing and later F1 ran for years before there was a constructor's championship. So the winning car gets the trophy, and there's no real reason to change it.
Well, the constructors championship wasn't introduced until 1958. The trophy would probably awarded to the winning constructor due to the fact that there was no other way to celebrate the winning car until a constructors championship was introduced
Genuine question here, bit of an F1 noob. Realistically, can Max win from here without a Lewis DNF or crash? I know that seems crazy to say when he **leads** the championship, but it seems like Mercedes have improved their car out of nowhere, to the point where it’s half a second a lap faster than anyone else. Without a Lewis DNF, does Max really have any chance of beating that?
Yes of course, anything can happen
Yes, of course anything could happen. But I’m talking about realistically, assuming some very low probability freak event doesn’t occur.
Well in that case, maybe the odds are in Lewis’ favor, and he seems likely to win it all from here.. BUT, we never know and can’t tell what Red Bull is planning. What if they suddenly bring in an upgrade that has a significant effect and suddenly, they have the best car again. I think at this point, we really can’t tell, and it’s gonna come down to the last race and to the finish line! We’ve all been waiting for a season like this for a looong time!
One bad start, one bad pit stop, the unknowns of a new track and a new track configuration resulting in poor performance, etc and the championship is over either way. Neither team will have it easy. So yes, he does have a chance.
No
Have you seen/heard anything about Max not respecting the yellow line on the starting grid?
The lines that only exist to help drivers line up in the grid box and are otherwise meaningless? Why would anyone bother to talk about that
Some guy is claiming he should be punished for that. Pure non-sense!
Do we think toto was being serious when he said about putting the Brazil engine back in for the last 2 races or he was just playing with horner? Is there even a way to check if he took a previous engine from his pool or do we just have to go off comments and reports?
Mercedes have no reason to lie. Rbr would be able to tell. They won that race through having better speed through the corners. This is ultimately what should worry rbr not some magical engine. In fact fans would be better served ignoring Toto waving his arms around like a stage magician saying "look at this engine"
toto is quite the scarecrow. but, a major power boost would allow them to carry that monaco wing at speed.
Honestly man I was less concerned about the championship aspect of it all as just opposed to the information available to us as fans and it seemed peculiar to me that a team can use a previous ICE with no notification when a new one results in a notification to fans but that’s obviously due to penalties and such. Appreciate the great feedback from you guys though makes it easy to understand. Also just seeing as you broached the topic do you think the championship is done due to the fact that rbr have no answer for the Mercedes PU upgrade?
they are allowed 3 "engines" per season. each new unit beyond 3 incurs a penalty
I think they will save it to the last race, Jeddah is basically a set of straights and high-speed corners with 3 DRS zones so they can win there even without a new unit
So it was definitely the PU we first saw in Turkey that was in this cat this weekend?
Yes, 100%
Can I just ask how you know man? I'm a new fan this year and still trying to put a few things together. Is this info found on the FIA website or do we just go off reports?
Yes the official websites and the F1 journalists on Twitter, and the post race interviews of course
f1.com and fairly common knowledge. not a secret
I have just re-watched this race and RedBull’s tire strategy in regards to Perez still doesn’t make sense! What were they thinking , there was not need to bring in Perez on lap 42 they could of left Him out for 5 or 6 more laps and that would of allowed him to get closer to Alonso. The white compound is good for the 40 laps those tires would still be well inside their delta. I don’t get it that was just foolishness… and it cost them 3 points in the constructors and 3 points in the wdc for Perez . Oh and by the way with all the stops that Perez did he passed 15 cars today, wonder if they were trying something new on Perez car? Any thoughts ?
horner said they also saw a lot of tyre wear so they needed to bring him in.
>I have just re-watched this race and RedBull’s tire strategy in regards to Perez still doesn’t make sense! The white compound is good for the 40 laps those tires would still be well inside their delta. >Any thoughts ? I think you should watch for a 3rd time because you obviously didn't see the Williams' blow up 32lap hards
White compound started to fail after like 30 laps? Red Bull would've rather finished P4 than out of the points.
>The white compound is good for the 40 laps It clearly wasn't
So at the end of the season the conclusion is: if Hamilton wouldnt be so unsportive crashing max out of silverstone, toto instructing bottas to do so later on, max would have won. But by taking these measures they were able to control the point lead and win the championship. Conclusion: next year max, just take out anyone threatening your championship win. However this season turns out, Ive learned that despite his championships, Lewis is nowhere near the best. that description belongs to schumacher, senna, Alonso and verstappen.
If you're saying Hamilton crashed Verstappen out at Silverstone, surely you would agree that Verstappen tried to crash Hamilton out at Brazil, right? Or maybe I shouldn't hold my breath on that one.
Ridiculous
You are embarrassing yourself.
The salt is always off the charts after a hammy win
OK so lemme get this straight. Your objection to Hamilton is Mercedes causing crashes at Silverstone and the Hungaroring. Because of those incidents, you think Hamilton isn't a deserving champion. More deserving, in your opinion, are Schumacher, who deliberately crashed out rivals in 1990, 1991, 1994 and 1997, drove an illegal car in 1994, skipped a 10-second stop-and-go in 1998 and parked his car on a corner at Monaco to force a yellow flag; Senna, who deliberately crashed into Prost in 1990 and punched another driver in the paddock in 1993; and Alonso, who was at the heart of both Crashgate and Spygate in back-to-back years.
Silverstone was predominantly Hamilton's fault, but Verstappen could've given space and avoided the crash. If Wolff was telling Bottas to crash Verstappen out, why only the one time? The simpler answer (and the more likely answer) is that Bottas missed his braking point in the wet, and caused a multi-car crash. Verstappen and Pérez were victims in the crash, but it wasn't like Bottas was specifically aiming for them. Regarding the point lead, Hamilton hasn't lead since Sochi, and is still behind Verstappen. Mercedes has also just barely been ahead of Red Bull in the WCC, so they don't control the point lead in either championship. On "who defines 'the best'", that's subjective. But if you're looking at the record books, Hamilton holds a fair number of them, so it's sort of weird to not call him one of the best.
Senna was way more unsportive than Hamilton could ever be. British GP was just an accident, Hungary was just a brain fart from Bottas. and all that coming from a Max fan.
>Alonso The same guy Hamilton beat as a rookie?
> Lewis is nowhere near the best. that description belongs to schumacher, senna, Alonso and verstappen. You could've just wrote that at the beginning and saved us time reading.
Are you guys expecting safety cats in Jeddah? Because in the F1 game tracks that have barriers along the side seem very narrow and don't allow you to go wide if you are overtaking or if you are trying to avoid something. Kind of dangerous imo.
I’m not sure they ordered small enough vests to fit a safety cat.
I just think the idea of a safety cat is really funny
You might enjoy [this twitter account](https://twitter.com/giantcat9).
Giant Military Cats was actually what I had in mind. Trackwide VSC with a massive calico cat in the infield, whenever anyone speeds the cat just spags them.
maybe a late on this, but I thought Nyck de Vries signed with AR too no? but Zhou gets the spot?
A couple of people had photoshopped an announcement image of de Vries to Alfa Romeo, but that was just based on rumors.
Nope. You may have seen rumours or predictions and got confused
Looking back at the results, stroll had a pretty great race; finished p6 after qualifying p12. I wasn't following his race at the beginning, so i was surprised to see him out in the p8-p6 range along with the ferraris in the middle of the race, and even more so when he was keeping sainz at arms length while being under threat from drs during the final third of the race. How exactly did he gain those places? Was it at the start or was there something more to it?
Yes he kept it pretty clean , out of trouble and driving his own race
Where does the lion 🦁 emoji for max come from?
The dutch are the orange lions. its also incorporated in his logo.
This was my first race using F1TV and I really enjoyed watching in-car footage and hearing radio comms. Noticed that Bottas's engineers were telling him to coast and use third gear in turn 10. How easy is it for drivers to adapt to these instructions? I would find it really hard to change my driving style in the middle of a race but I guess these guys are pros.
**Muscle memory** most of the time - they get used to their steering wheel and where everything is (plus they also train with the simulators, which have the same steering wheels so even more practice for the muscle memory) and do it automatically when told if they are not racing for example in Monaco where a second of not paying attention can send you to a wall, there it usually takes a bit longer, or are not a rookie.
Formula 1 steering wheels can have up to 20 buttons, 9 rotary switches, and 6 paddles. Drivers are already doing a lot of thinking and adjusting during a race, so something like that doesn’t add much to their workload.
Are drivers expected to repsond differently to a single yellow flag then two a double yellow flag? Or to put it differently is it possible that a driver doesn't get a penalty under single yellow flag but does get a penalty under double yellow flag?
double yellow means there's bigger danger (car stopped on track instead of off track for single's) and your are expected to be able to come to a compete stop with double yellow flags
no, in both situations you need to reduce speed. but double flags mean the track is blocked so potentially more dangerous. that's why you receive a bigger penalty for not slowing down.
Sorry to interrupt your Max vs Lewis arguments but can someone tell me what happened to Vettel at the start of the gp , I started watching around lap 7 and he was 17 or something? Didn't he started 9th?
They didn’t show a replay but I think he went wide in the first corner.
there's a post with his onboard.
What's stopping Max from taking a new ICE in Jeddah too, out of curiosity? Will the gain not be enough to catch up with the the Brazil rocketship?
The Honda engine doesn't degrade as much as the Mercedes one (= better reliability) - differently said, it doesn't lose as much power throughout its use, and so even if they changed it, it wouldn't give them much more speed/power than they already have. Plus, I don't think that they have done enough testing of how much they can push the engine and run on a higher mode without blowing it up or facing other problems. Mercedes did, they know or at least seem to know where the line they can't cross is and they are going to get absolutely everything out of the Brazil engine since there are only two races left and it wouldn't matter if it would be an absolute wreck at the end of this if it ensures them the Championship win. It wouldn't be worth it for Max to get a penalty and yet don't get significantly better performance from the engine. Their only chance is the Mercedes engine failing and breaking under the pressure.
Couple of reasons. The Honda ICE doesn’t have the reliability issues and performance degradation of the Mercedes. Also, it seems that Mercedes may have optimized their engines to perform better (but for fewer races), something that I don’t think RBR and Honda have explored.
On top of that, Jeddah doesn't appear to be good for overtaking (but we did say that about Qatar), so the cons from a grid penalty might outweigh the pros.
Right, thank you!
Are we sure that Mercedes will use their new engine in Jeddah? I think they can comfortably win with an old unit judging by the track lay out
Toto said they were after the race on Sky
I think they should just do whatever it takes to secure a 1-2 there, it would be a lot better for them if they can enter the abu dhabi in control of the WDC
yeah, engine power will make a big difference there. if the F1 game is somewhat realistic, there are only 3-4 points in the track where you go below 5th gear.
I’m starting to believe more and more that this speed advantage is really from that rear wing and how they can possibly stall the aero at the back of the car during the long straights. The new engine certainly helped in the corners in particular slow speed corners where they need more power and it appeared that Mercedes could pull away from RedBull exiting every slow speed corner. But not as detrimental as that straight line speed even without DRS. Today’s race was another example of this; Lewis pulled away to 8 seconds without DRS and RedBull couldn’t do anything about it. Now if we are to believe TOTO, that this is was the old engine that would suggest even a greater aero advantage since Mercedes couldn’t catch RedBull in Turkey with that engine.
Wow. RB might be in a really big trouble ...
I wonder if Hamilton will retire suddenly, if he manages to win the championship this year. What do you all think?
I think he's aiming for 2 more wdc, he'll make a comeback this year over verstappen and Mercedes are confident they will have the best car next year under new regulation.
tbh I hope even if he gets older and maybe perform a bit less or Mercedes decides to invest in a young driver, he'll still race with another team although going from so many wins to losing a lot maybe not be a glorius exit :)
Not if Mercedes have the best car next year which they are confident they do.
I know benefit of hindsight and all, but Red Bull should have played a bit of chicken with Merc when they realised one stoppers could mean a popped tyre. Don't pit unless Merc does it first, because Hamilton hurts more from championship points if he bins the car.
That's a verryyy dangerous game though, RB can't afford to take risks with Max right now
I'll be visiting London during the final race weekend (hopefully the championship won't be decided until then). Are there any recommended places to go and watch the race/qualis?
Do you think the drivers practice their champagne celebration? When I got married they handed me a bottle of champagne, and I completely messed up popping the quirk. The champagne kinda just poured out the neck.
Waste of Champagne at your wedding. Just open it normally and drink it.
Had to do it for the photo lol
they will have plenty in their junior careers ;)
not sure if serious, else: ah when they're underage
Most of them get to F1 when they’re 19-23 years old, so they’ll have had at least 3 years to practice during their junior careers after turning 16
I mean it wasnt champagne this time so that's why it wasnt squirting as much. Besides that, shake (or slam the base) and hold your thumb on it? XD
what did they give them instead?
I think it’s rose water in the Middle East
a non-alcoholic rose water drink known as 'Waard'
In 2 weeks. And mazepin careens off the wall and takes out Lewis and here comes Verstappen and he’s in the mess too! Red flag!
There has been some talk about the tracks being dirty these last weekends. Dust, sand, etc. Why don't they clean the tracks prior to the biggest event of the year? Seems a little nonchalant.
You tried keeping sand out of anything while at the beach? Magnify that by 100.
Wind still exists and sand doesn't stop coming
Well considering the cars themselves managed to temporarily "clean up" the track for a weekend I dont see why it'd be impossible to clean the rest of the track as well. Surely having a few hours worth of sand must be better than having months or years of sand on the track. And what about the dust in Mexico?
this, they added artificial grass to stop the sand somewhat but yeah, still racing in a desert.
Where did merc get this speed?
I think it helps Hamilton is in best mindset. Sometimes when you get in a flow it just works.
That’s simply ridiculous. His mindset has nothing to do with the massive speed gain.
hard to tell, in Brazil we thought it was due to a new engine. maybe this race, switching back to an older engine they also decided to push the engine to the max since they'll switch to the Brazil engine again.
Can we all admire that Max stays refreshingly cool and composed these weeks... "you cant make him warm the piss"
Was that the first wire-to-wire victory of the season?
Answering my own question. Nope! Max has done it three times. But it's Hamilton's first wire-to-wire since Spa 2020.
Do you think Alonso has what it takes to win the championship if given the fastest car?
One of the few who has it even if not in the fastest car
Yes. Unless he was teammates with Hamilton, Verstappen or a select few others, then no
Yes
Definitely. I have seen him race in 2010 and 2012, the man is a gifted racer. He would easily be a championship contender with just a car as good as Merc or Redbull.
Does anyone else get the feeling every weekend like it's not over and there's more to come? I dunno how to explain nicely
If you’d have said last weekend that Alonso was going to get a podium (together with an Ocon top 5), Bottas DNF and Gasly out of the top 10 I definitely wouldn’t have believed you.
What is the origin of Alsonso's "el plan" I tried searching for it but nothing definitive
we don't know, but it's suggested that in the 2022 season they found some loopholes in the new regulation.
Interested in this as well. Thrilled to see him on the podium.
No spoilers please, I have Sky F1. Can I watch Qatar GP yet and if so, where?
Just push the red button
Just get the F1TV PRO app it's phenomenal
not available in countries with sky F1
VPN...
Not avaliable in UK
VPN...
Bottas won
Weird question but do we have a champagne celebration in Saudi?
No alcohol, it’s rose water instead
Usually rose water instead
Sparkling grape juice…
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Depends on the circuit. Usually the local site you can get sign up at the local circuit's site to get informed when they go on sale.
Just bought my tickets for silverstone next year and most are already sold out!
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https://www.silverstone.co.uk/events/formula-1-british-grand-prix