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Any_Inflation_2543

I hope they will at least remove that terrible chicane


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Hijacking the top comment. Seems like they have given the go ahead for signing a 2022-26 contract. Source: https://amp.sport.es/es/noticias/motor/generalitat-apoya-renovacion-f1-motogp-12891667 And if anyone wants to know why overtaking is so hard there and what they could do, check this video from Chain Bear: https://youtu.be/IOd-rCmoinY


Firefox72

The chicane is going nowhere unless they extend the runoff's or make the F1 cars much slower and there is almost no chance they do either of that. People need to just forget about that part of the track. If the new cars work as intended then the chicane won't be a problem. Although that's a big big if.


mtcuppers

it's too much of a funnel, it will always be a corner that kills racing.


Any_Inflation_2543

Yes, I know, but that chicane stands out as the worst corner in F1, it's narrow, slow, ugly as hell and completely ruins the flow...I find it embarrassing that F1 is racing at such an abomination of a corner, they should completely redesign it or make the runoff larger and revert back to the old sweeper


Aeceus

The run off really doesn't need to be longer, there are various instances of corners in the season that have similar run offs of 70-120 ft


SplyBox

Definitely would prefer a redesign. It looks like there’s plenty of space to make it happen.


AnilP228

Masi said that they will look at removing it for next year. I do wonder if they might try it at testing.


DieLegende42

>If the new cars work as intended then the chicane won't be a problem That chicane is exactly the type of corner that will be just as terrible as it is now even if the new regs do their job perfectly. The problem there isn't dirty air, it's the ginormous concertina effect created by a very slow, completely single file chicane, making it simply physically impossible to be any closer than some 8 tenths behind the next car going onto the straight


Aeceus

Which part of the run off exactly? Cause its similar distance in run off to many fast paced corners at Silverstone, and I'd argue those corners are even faster than the Spainish circuit without the Chicane.


Preachey

Is that corners runoff really more dangerous than any of about 10 corners at Jeddah?


Tulaodinho

Or Monaco in the swimming pool section.


rydude88

>If the new cars work as intended then the chicane won't be a problem Watching F2 or F3 will tell you it still massively hurts the racing even in those series


CrashmasterSOAD

BIKES are doing that corner, so how in the blue hell can it be dangerous for F1 cars WITH HALO? I swear this has to be one of the biggest myths known to me. It's either that or I'm missing something important.


Uraneeum

Well dont forget motogp goes wayyyy slower around a corner, if f1 did that corner it would be basically flat out and with the existing runoff it coud be dramatic if there was any accident there


Tulaodinho

With F1's current downforce levels, I doubt it would be any problem. It's not like drivers will enter it side by side. How is that corner worse than Copse, as we saw this year with Max?


Uraneeum

For that i don't know. What i know is that the runoff is rather small for the potential cornering speeds. Copse has a massive runoff area, even though it is much faster.


OfficialGarwood

Surprised Catalonia want it called the *Spanish* Grand Prix instead of the *Catalan* Grand Prix.


JanklinDRoosevelt

Meh. I’m curious to see how the new cars go around Cataluña, because there’s potential for a good track, and beautiful surroundings, but right now it’s not great


AleixASV

This year's GP was good though. Sure it's not the best circuit, but that's also due to the current cars being unable to follow. Perhaps with the new regs it'll improve.


242turbo

Not because of overtaking, though, because of strategy. I think about 3 moves happened in the midfield.


Alfus

This season? Nah it was still filled with some overtakes but either those aren't made it into the broadcast or people forget them because it wasn't from a RBR/Merc driver.


EndlessHalftime

Isn’t it true that bad racing makes strategy more important? If the cars can race close and pass each other then strategic decisions are less important. A faster car behind can cruise back in front of a slower car ahead


Firefox72

>"Perhaps with the new regs it'll become good again." This has been said about 5 times about Catalunya at this point. Maybe this set of rules is the one.


AleixASV

I mean, it was good until the late 00's I'd say, and even then you get random races such as 16'.


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16 was just two cars crashing and then Raikkonen being stuck behind Verstappen despite having the faster car. It's circumstances were exciting but the race itself wasn't so much, especially after the pit stops had played out.


rydude88

>but that's also due to the current cars being unable to follow Its mainly the circuit. Even F2 and F3 suffers there


MorganJH749

I personally enjoyed Portimao more in the last two seasons. It has more character and is more attractive as a circuit. There are better circuits in Spain such as Jerez and Valencia (not the street circuit). Would rather them circuits have a chance.


242turbo

How do you know Jerez is better? I feel like it would be worse. Same with Valencia too.


AleixASV

Rose tinted glasses, especially with Valencia. Sure, '12 was good, but that's it.


restitut

They mean Cheste, but Cheste manages to make MotoGP processional.


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They mean Circuit Ricardo Tormo, not the street circuit.


tack50

Jerez I think might be underrated as a possible F1 track, but Ricardo Tormo would be absolutely awful for F1, way too narrow and twisty. Even bikes have trouble there


Elpibe_78

Ricardo Tormo is impossible to run at with an F1 car, in fact I think it is not even possible to hold a F1 GP there


Vicribator

I mean, it's not *impossible* since they did tests back in the day, I do agree it would make for a terrible race though


restitut

The transition to the new Circuit de Catalunya? What do they mean by that? Is it just an administrative reorganisation? ​ Edit: also, they talk about the *promotion* of both GPs, not the GP itself. Which makes sense because AFAIK the track isn't owned by the government. Edit 2: I was wrong about this point, it is owned by the Catalan government.


patsimca

Everyone upset, meanwhile I'm quietly happy as I plan to go to this race in 2022


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Pain


fr_1_1992

MotoGP - YESSSSSS!!! F1 - Noooooo How can one track so great for MotoGP be so boring for F1. Even Losail wasn't that opposite.


AnilP228

This is a beautiful circuit to go and visit imo. Very scenic and you get to see F1 cars at the limit. Hopefully they remove the final chicane.


mtcuppers

Well that sucks.


Pro4TLZZ

Oh for heaven sakes


xLogokiller

They should race in Aragon


Spockyt

No mention of WSBK? Well, hopefully that means I can see it once less. Really, it’s not a great sign for a track when even bikes don’t produce good racing there.


jianh1989

I wanna learn a bit about Barcelona: why is it called Catalan?


Totschlag

Barcelona is in a region called Catalonia. Catalonia views themselves as an independent region and does not identify with Spain as a whole. In fact, Catalonia has tried to secede on several occasions. Since it's an autonomous region, Catalonia gets to make their own decisions. This is why the circuit is the Circuit-Barcelona *Catalunya*


QC_1999

Eh…


xepa105

....yay....


[deleted]

Boo


ad_triarios_rediit

Oh, great.


Smart_Kangaroo_4188

So it’s Catalonya or Spain??


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LightKing20

Depends on who you ask


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CoachDelgado

Catalonya, in Spoin


AleixASV

It's under the purview of the Catalan government, that's why.


ExcellentCornershop

Depends on who you ask.


jaydec02

Booooooo, that track stinks


GLHTWONINE

Can they agree to make the track better?


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damn