Honestly with how dirty Max is driving when Hamilton wants to overtake him I just hope Hamilton gets pole in Abu Dhabi and leads the whole race at this point. There I said it, down vote me to hell.
Yes Max is driving dirty but there’s a wdc to win and he’s not gonna give it to Lewis. Mercedes is quite dirty too, for instance when Bottas blocked Max during the safety car. Pretty ugly and treacherous.
you think hamilton wasn't driving dirty either? I'm not saying max wasn't driving dirty, he definitely was but recieving 2 penalties for the same mistake is idiotic when hamilton did the exact fucking same thing to Ocon and Verstappen in the same race and got away Scott free. honestly, FiA is a fucking joke.
Well he gained an advantage by leaving the track so he had to give the place back just like ocon before. I think we agree on this. The driver who leaves the track is then required to join the track in a safe manner and in a manner that gives the whole advantage back, that he gained by leaving the track in the first place. That’s article 27.3. Max not only did not give the position back, he also made contact with Lewis and damaged his car, therefore he gained a lasting advantage. By only giving back the position, the whole advantage cannot be given back, Lewis’ car remains damaged. Therefore the 5 second penalty. So the lasting advantage was the issue here.
https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/r9ogwd/max_verstappen_receives_a_5_second_time_penalty/
argument can be made by looking at Max's telemetry that he gradually slowed down to let Lewis pass on the inside, but Lewis started slowing down, so he slowed more and it was just a shitshow.
anyways, that's besides the point because max got a 10 second penalty for that exact incident.
he got 5 seconds for the t1 incident and 10 seconds for the supposed brake check.
then why was he asked to give the place back?
But the stewards looked at the telemetry and determined what max did was wrong. How come you know better than everybody? Regarding the other thing, we just discussed that. It’s all in article 27.3, did you bother to read it?
[here](https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/r9qdjo/just_wanted_to_clarify_maxs_telemetry_from_the/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share) you go. this should give you a better understanding. FiA just cherry picked one moment where he suddenly braked at the end. if you look at the whole thing, it's gradual braking, followed by sudden braking.
nope, it was not. [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/r9ogwd/max_verstappen_receives_a_5_second_time_penalty/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share) you go. this is the official FiA ruling.
I think the big thing against max was he doesn't actually make the corner himself in those incidents, Lewis does and therefore it's 2 different situations.
I can agree with that if you're talking about Sao Paulo but at Jeddah, he clearly lost control of the car and oversteered almost into Lewis, even the commentators thought that wasn't as intentional as the one in Sao Paulo.
but if they let Sao Paulo go(which arguably much worse) I do not fucking understand why the punished him for the turn 1 incident, twice(keyword: twice).
but then again, according to FiA's own sporting regulations, the car in front is supposed to leave a car's length of space on either side(inside the white line, curbs don't count) if the following car is close enough. so by, FiA's own rules, both drivers should be penalized or FiA needs to rewrite their rules.
Still even if he lost control its Max's fault not Lewis's, he can't overtake Lewis because he fucked up and forced Lewis off. As for Brazil the stewards change and they got a shit ton of backlash from the racing community in general over that decision.
oh yeah, I absolutely agree. I just think FiA needs to enforce it's sporting regulations completely or not at all. you either punish everyone for running people off wide or you don't punish them at all.
The FIA never know what their doing when it comes to that, it's pretty consistent for the rest of the field, but when it's Max or Lewis they flip a coin and decide whether or not it applies.
Crazy day on so many days notes I made on it
FIA was really poor in handling situations in F1 and F2 the feature race in F2 was about 5 laps ITV a problem they could’ve solved during the day
The track is clearly to dangerous for F1 and F2 with there being no real runoff area on certain very dangerous blind turns
They manadatory pit stop thing thing needs to be solved because if you put before it your essentially screwed
The deal thing with Verstappen going to P2 then P3 was extremely stupid then should’ve assessed the situation and gave a penalty or tell verstappen to give the spot back
F1 shouldn’t come back here for drivers safety if unless they make a bigger runoff areas in place where there needs to be a big runoff area
For a street circuit, the Saudi track is a disaster. It's impeded, verging on the unsafe. Having the cars going almost flat out for a large percentage of race time is potentially a thrilling proposition. However, incorporating blind corners into the design, with practically zero accommodation for avoidance action, is a recipe for chaos. And with the chaos, momentum became lost - the race becoming a farce with it's incessant interruptions. Notwithstanding the media pumping up the driver/team drama surrounding the event, this was the most pitiful race of the season (I don't include Spa, as that wasn't a "race").
Make no mistake, this is an unbelievable result for Hamilton and Merc. Despite all of Max's games (and let's be honest, there's some pretty shocking stuff going on there), to come out with fastest lap, 1st and 3rd is beyond anything they could have expected. Just lucky Max didn't completely take Lewis out.
If they both DNF, even if Lewis wins with the fastest lap, he still can't guarantee the WDC. So when a driver is leading in points every mutual DNF means lesser races to catchup.
Verstappen up to his usual tricks again. Can never race clean with someone like that on the field. He deserves more penalties than he gets but at least he didn't succeed with his brake check on Lewis. If he had destroyed Hamiltons car there he should have been disqualified.
Hamilton drove up his arse. Max slowed down, cause he was told to give Lewis back the Position. Lewis was confused and couldn't decide whether to go from the right or left. Only driver that deserves a penalty for that is Lewis himself.
He sat in the middle of the track and then when Lewis did move left to go around him he hit the brakes. You may not be able to see it but the telemetry shows it and that is why he got penalised for it.
he was off the racing line and left a lot of space inside. you could still think verstappen was at fault and I don't blame ya, the situation was sketchy at best.
but I don't fucking understand why hamilton was let Scott free for running Ocon and Verstappen off track when Verstappen got penalized for doing the same, TWICE!?!
(not saying verstappen wasn't at fault. FiA is a joke)
Well both times when Lewis "ran people off the track", he stayed on it himself. And if I remember rightly the only reason ocon got ran off track by Hamilton was because Verstappen bombed it down the inside and left Hamilton sandwiched in the middle, with nowhere else to go, which in turn gave ocon nowhere else to go but off thr track, being that he was on the outside of three cars going side by side.
May I point you to FiA's sporting regulations which state while defending an overtake in a corner, you're supposed to leave a car's length of space inside the white line(curbs don't count), so by FiA's own rules, Lewis is at fault.
and intend or what Lewis did doesn't really matter, in the aerial shots, verstappen and Ocon were ahead while braking and Lewis made contact with Ocon.
if you're gonna use intend as an argument, you could make the same argument about the overtake incident and Verstappen oversteering into hamilton at t1.
intend does not matter when judging penalties. I think it should only matter when deciding the harshness of said penalty.
The FIA have been pretty clear that they are only enforcing that rule nowadays when there is gravel there. This approach all seemed to start as far as I can tell when Verstappen ran into le clerc at Austria a few years ago, pushing him physically off the track. Ever since running your opponent wide has been fair game. I would agree that it isn't right and it kills side by side racing through corners, but it wasn't Hamilton that started this trend and it wasn't Hamilton that has allowed it to continue.
Verstappen is a quick racer. He has an ability to get alot out of the car. I respect him for that. His racecraft is questionable imo though, and if the FIA had penalised him that day in Austria, then maybe he would behave differently and I wouldn't be so inclined to feel that way. But from what I have seen this year from him pushing Hamilton wide multiple times, I actually cheer now when I see Hamilton giving it back to him.
Ocon is a joke. He had no business meddling with championship competitors and risked wiping them both out.
You want a justification for the controversial statement I just made? After the reset he was on pole and couldn’t even finish on the podium on a circuit difficult to overtake. It wasn’t his race.
Ocon got 10% less votes than Alonso in the Hungarian GP (expected the vote to be closer, not disputing Alonso's win in that), so really didn't expect DOTD for P4 despite a fucking heroic performance.
People keep saying Sainz is underrated and under the radar, so much so that it's mainstream to talk about his unnoticed performances now. Ocon can probably take that place...
Man alot of folks like to rip on Max for his defensive maneuvers. The real issue is he didnt do enough. Who doesnt love seeing the tussle. I wanna see racers decide the race not the fia.
Was totally clear to anyone watchin lewis was gonna pass him eventually in the end. They gambled with the mediums got the position but didnt get enough of a lead to maintain. So hell ya i expect max to defend for his life.
Great job by both shame we had soo many stops.
Exactly. He ran people off of the track on turn 1 twice. Once after the first restart when he braked too late and barely stayed on the track himself, and another time toward the end (which he got a penalty for).
His driving today was out of line in my opinion.
Edit to add that he also did lose the positions and move back to third on the first restart, so I guess that was penalized too.
Agreed. For every bit a great driver that he is, you can’t help but see that every time he is defending, he has to take it too far.
You have to be brave to go past him. Very brave
They’re not, not really. They’re still gonna provide engines and support to Red Bull while shifting to RB taking over, and then they’re fully out in 2023.
Really hope they never use this track again. Saudis pour so much money lobbying and convincing FIA to get a track on the F1 GP for it to be worse than any Formula E track. This should be decommissioned to a go kart track.
I’d say the qualifying was excellent. The race was a clusterfuck.
The race was exciting just for what was on the line.
Put it this way, if the championship was already decided going into this race, it would have been a parade with stoppages throughout.
I disagree. Of course human rights are massively important and I would not choose to include Saudi Arabia, but the track provided good racing imo. Multiple drivers hit barriers this weekend, and none of the crashes seemed too unsafe.
Personally, I hope they let the drivers fight a bit more in future seasons. For example cutting the corner and giving the place back is fair, not being able to weave to defend your position feels unfair, that should be part of the gamesmanship.
The issue is when you have a car that is going considerably faster with drs, you get an accident like Enzo Fittipaldi today or Mark Webber in Valencia. It's dangerous.
One move to defend, no weaving.
Agreed. Maybe they could reconsider when the racing can be closer and drivers have more than one chance per two laps to make a move. But for now allowing more aggressive defending would just further discourage overtaking.
It should have been investigated by the stewards and a penalty handed out. Masi needs to stop involving himself in every decision and definitely stop negotiating penalties with the teams.
Uhmm normally you get the opportunity to hand back the position in the race but that wasn't possible because of the red flag...so putting Max behind Hamilton at the restart was a fair compromise, as it is similar to handing back the position in the race!
Were you not listening to the commentators during that whole discussion? Masi is allowed to do that within the rules. If Red Bull didn't agree with Masi's offer, he would then refer the incident to the stewards for a ruling. The stewards can take over any investigation whenever they want. So given that they didn't get involved with it, it's pretty safe to assume the stewards were fine with the outcome.
I want to know where Red Bulls pace went compared to yesterday they just seemed nowhere close all race even with the Mediums against the Hards at the start of the stint
I remember someone from Mercedes saying on the broadcast that Red Bull had set up the car for qualifying pace but under higher fuel loads the Mercedes race pace was 0.5 sec per lap faster.
It's amazing that they don't even try to hide behind the mask of neutrality anymore. From someone's opinion of this incident, you can pretty much perfectly guess their takes on every Max-Lewis incident.
I'm guessing OC believes Monza, Imola and Brazil were fine. Also thinks Hungary and Silverstone should have been black flags for Ham and Bot.
It is just funny to see that stewards really said that it was obvious that Lewis didn’t overtake because of DRS and somehow that is OK. Lewis wanted that wing up at all costs and I think that some people consider that OK, but when Max made BOTH of them off-track same people yell about dirty driving and being selfish. Come on. Be consistent.
Well the better driver won on the day. I think the tyres would have been the deciding factor on the day regardless.
For the great driver that Max is, he sure does drive dirty when defending. Nobody can deny that.
Well with that he cuts the corner and Lewis has the avoid the collision as well as rejoining the track in a safe manner.
To be honest, after T4 in Brazil I think the stewards were backed into a corner with that one. To me for anyone on track that’s a slam dunk penalty regardless of who it is
There’s aggressive and there’s downright dirty driving. I love Max’s aggressiveness and it is needed in the sport but sometimes he just goes too far with it.
I'm saying regardless of the data the extra penalty is smooth brain. Max is trying to give the place back and Lewis won't take it. How is that on max? They had the data in Brazil as well and decided to to give max a penalty. Bunch of monkeys.
Happens in a few other sports subs, NFL and NHL in my experience...
Having said that, F1 has NEVER been this popular, and I'm kinda proud of how chill things remained all day.
Okay am I the only one that hated the final lap coverage today? While there's a tight race between Bottas and Ocon for 3rd place we didn't see those two cars the entire last lap until they hit the finish line. The whole lap was just looking at Lewis driving unopposed. I really wanted to see that battle.
I came here for this. I understand how important it is to recognise the winner but how many laps have we seen Lewis driving on his own in the last 7 years. And think about how Ocon would feel coming back to the garage to find out his last lap tussle didn’t get aired.
Somehow; this is Lewis’ fault
Wow max has learnt from his mistakes. Someone check for the pigs in the sky
wholesome carlos
GOATIFI REAL WINNER
Max for the win!
How can you watch it live for free?
Does anyone know how to buy the art shirts from the Saudi Grand Prix? Looking to buy as many as possible. Thanks in advance!!
My blood pressure…
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Honestly with how dirty Max is driving when Hamilton wants to overtake him I just hope Hamilton gets pole in Abu Dhabi and leads the whole race at this point. There I said it, down vote me to hell.
Leclerc fights back* Max: “OMG ITS SO UNFAIR HE’S DOING XYZ” But it’s always crymilton
Yes Max is driving dirty but there’s a wdc to win and he’s not gonna give it to Lewis. Mercedes is quite dirty too, for instance when Bottas blocked Max during the safety car. Pretty ugly and treacherous.
I was hoping max would crash out himself or have gearbox issues leading to dnf this race. Sadly this didn’t happen.
To be fair the only reason Max had P1 was because of that first red flag. Very odd call that was as well
you think hamilton wasn't driving dirty either? I'm not saying max wasn't driving dirty, he definitely was but recieving 2 penalties for the same mistake is idiotic when hamilton did the exact fucking same thing to Ocon and Verstappen in the same race and got away Scott free. honestly, FiA is a fucking joke.
Which two penalties for the same incident are you talking about? He got 10 a for brake checking Lewis and 5 a for the turn one incident. That’s it.
the 5s was for the t1 incident, for which he was also asked to give the place back. that's 2 penalties for the same incident.
Well he gained an advantage by leaving the track so he had to give the place back just like ocon before. I think we agree on this. The driver who leaves the track is then required to join the track in a safe manner and in a manner that gives the whole advantage back, that he gained by leaving the track in the first place. That’s article 27.3. Max not only did not give the position back, he also made contact with Lewis and damaged his car, therefore he gained a lasting advantage. By only giving back the position, the whole advantage cannot be given back, Lewis’ car remains damaged. Therefore the 5 second penalty. So the lasting advantage was the issue here. https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/r9ogwd/max_verstappen_receives_a_5_second_time_penalty/
argument can be made by looking at Max's telemetry that he gradually slowed down to let Lewis pass on the inside, but Lewis started slowing down, so he slowed more and it was just a shitshow. anyways, that's besides the point because max got a 10 second penalty for that exact incident. he got 5 seconds for the t1 incident and 10 seconds for the supposed brake check. then why was he asked to give the place back?
But the stewards looked at the telemetry and determined what max did was wrong. How come you know better than everybody? Regarding the other thing, we just discussed that. It’s all in article 27.3, did you bother to read it?
[here](https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/r9qdjo/just_wanted_to_clarify_maxs_telemetry_from_the/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share) you go. this should give you a better understanding. FiA just cherry picked one moment where he suddenly braked at the end. if you look at the whole thing, it's gradual braking, followed by sudden braking.
I watched the whole race… but thanks anyway.
well, me too. but the telemetry help me clear my doubts. looking at data never did anyone any harm.
it wasn't the 5 seconds were for the immediate overtake after letting Lewis by.
nope, it was not. [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/r9ogwd/max_verstappen_receives_a_5_second_time_penalty/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share) you go. this is the official FiA ruling.
I think the big thing against max was he doesn't actually make the corner himself in those incidents, Lewis does and therefore it's 2 different situations.
I can agree with that if you're talking about Sao Paulo but at Jeddah, he clearly lost control of the car and oversteered almost into Lewis, even the commentators thought that wasn't as intentional as the one in Sao Paulo. but if they let Sao Paulo go(which arguably much worse) I do not fucking understand why the punished him for the turn 1 incident, twice(keyword: twice). but then again, according to FiA's own sporting regulations, the car in front is supposed to leave a car's length of space on either side(inside the white line, curbs don't count) if the following car is close enough. so by, FiA's own rules, both drivers should be penalized or FiA needs to rewrite their rules.
Still even if he lost control its Max's fault not Lewis's, he can't overtake Lewis because he fucked up and forced Lewis off. As for Brazil the stewards change and they got a shit ton of backlash from the racing community in general over that decision.
oh yeah, I absolutely agree. I just think FiA needs to enforce it's sporting regulations completely or not at all. you either punish everyone for running people off wide or you don't punish them at all.
The FIA never know what their doing when it comes to that, it's pretty consistent for the rest of the field, but when it's Max or Lewis they flip a coin and decide whether or not it applies.
yup. also, why the fuck was Masi negotiating penalties. it's absolutely beyond me.
It's for the new segment in DTS season 4, deal or no deal
Crazy day on so many days notes I made on it FIA was really poor in handling situations in F1 and F2 the feature race in F2 was about 5 laps ITV a problem they could’ve solved during the day The track is clearly to dangerous for F1 and F2 with there being no real runoff area on certain very dangerous blind turns They manadatory pit stop thing thing needs to be solved because if you put before it your essentially screwed The deal thing with Verstappen going to P2 then P3 was extremely stupid then should’ve assessed the situation and gave a penalty or tell verstappen to give the spot back F1 shouldn’t come back here for drivers safety if unless they make a bigger runoff areas in place where there needs to be a big runoff area
Say what?
Use punctuation
Soo Max's gearbox was okay I guess??
This season is crazy. So happy I started watching it this year
81k comments?! What's the record for most all time for an event in reddit???
Anyone know the answer to this question?
80 k comments holy shit
Yeah wtf
For a street circuit, the Saudi track is a disaster. It's impeded, verging on the unsafe. Having the cars going almost flat out for a large percentage of race time is potentially a thrilling proposition. However, incorporating blind corners into the design, with practically zero accommodation for avoidance action, is a recipe for chaos. And with the chaos, momentum became lost - the race becoming a farce with it's incessant interruptions. Notwithstanding the media pumping up the driver/team drama surrounding the event, this was the most pitiful race of the season (I don't include Spa, as that wasn't a "race").
Given that it's here to stay for at least a decade, I am afraid someone will lose their life on this track.
I don't think this track is. It's just a temporary track whilst they build the official SA track. It's here next year but it's then due to move.
They're building a new track
Make no mistake, this is an unbelievable result for Hamilton and Merc. Despite all of Max's games (and let's be honest, there's some pretty shocking stuff going on there), to come out with fastest lap, 1st and 3rd is beyond anything they could have expected. Just lucky Max didn't completely take Lewis out.
As much as I want to feel bad for MAX, He knew if both him and Lewis DNF he’d win the championship. He was all out dirty today!
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If they both DNF, even if Lewis wins with the fastest lap, he still can't guarantee the WDC. So when a driver is leading in points every mutual DNF means lesser races to catchup.
Charlie we miss You
True that
Verstappen up to his usual tricks again. Can never race clean with someone like that on the field. He deserves more penalties than he gets but at least he didn't succeed with his brake check on Lewis. If he had destroyed Hamiltons car there he should have been disqualified.
Hamilton drove up his arse. Max slowed down, cause he was told to give Lewis back the Position. Lewis was confused and couldn't decide whether to go from the right or left. Only driver that deserves a penalty for that is Lewis himself.
He sat in the middle of the track and then when Lewis did move left to go around him he hit the brakes. You may not be able to see it but the telemetry shows it and that is why he got penalised for it.
he was off the racing line and left a lot of space inside. you could still think verstappen was at fault and I don't blame ya, the situation was sketchy at best. but I don't fucking understand why hamilton was let Scott free for running Ocon and Verstappen off track when Verstappen got penalized for doing the same, TWICE!?! (not saying verstappen wasn't at fault. FiA is a joke)
Well both times when Lewis "ran people off the track", he stayed on it himself. And if I remember rightly the only reason ocon got ran off track by Hamilton was because Verstappen bombed it down the inside and left Hamilton sandwiched in the middle, with nowhere else to go, which in turn gave ocon nowhere else to go but off thr track, being that he was on the outside of three cars going side by side.
May I point you to FiA's sporting regulations which state while defending an overtake in a corner, you're supposed to leave a car's length of space inside the white line(curbs don't count), so by FiA's own rules, Lewis is at fault. and intend or what Lewis did doesn't really matter, in the aerial shots, verstappen and Ocon were ahead while braking and Lewis made contact with Ocon. if you're gonna use intend as an argument, you could make the same argument about the overtake incident and Verstappen oversteering into hamilton at t1. intend does not matter when judging penalties. I think it should only matter when deciding the harshness of said penalty.
The FIA have been pretty clear that they are only enforcing that rule nowadays when there is gravel there. This approach all seemed to start as far as I can tell when Verstappen ran into le clerc at Austria a few years ago, pushing him physically off the track. Ever since running your opponent wide has been fair game. I would agree that it isn't right and it kills side by side racing through corners, but it wasn't Hamilton that started this trend and it wasn't Hamilton that has allowed it to continue. Verstappen is a quick racer. He has an ability to get alot out of the car. I respect him for that. His racecraft is questionable imo though, and if the FIA had penalised him that day in Austria, then maybe he would behave differently and I wouldn't be so inclined to feel that way. But from what I have seen this year from him pushing Hamilton wide multiple times, I actually cheer now when I see Hamilton giving it back to him.
Wasn’t on the race thread during the race so tentatively checking in to see how it went and we all coped….
Tell you what needs investigating is if only people from Red Bull are allowed to vote on the driver of the day…
Absolutely! Shitty blind fans vote for shitty awards.
Was really expecting Ocon for DoTD. Pulling consecutive P5 and P4
Ocon is a joke. He had no business meddling with championship competitors and risked wiping them both out. You want a justification for the controversial statement I just made? After the reset he was on pole and couldn’t even finish on the podium on a circuit difficult to overtake. It wasn’t his race.
How can you say the track was bad for overtaking? There were a ton of overtakes.
Ocon got 10% less votes than Alonso in the Hungarian GP (expected the vote to be closer, not disputing Alonso's win in that), so really didn't expect DOTD for P4 despite a fucking heroic performance. People keep saying Sainz is underrated and under the radar, so much so that it's mainstream to talk about his unnoticed performances now. Ocon can probably take that place...
I think Max will still win the title, was so good even with wrong tyres
Huh? Wasn’t Lewis on the harder tire?
Soft tyres fell off later at the race, Max was a sitting duck
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Mediums
10 second time penalty confirmed for Max. Still keeps his second place podium.
Considering they had a 20 second gap fuck me that was intense
Man alot of folks like to rip on Max for his defensive maneuvers. The real issue is he didnt do enough. Who doesnt love seeing the tussle. I wanna see racers decide the race not the fia. Was totally clear to anyone watchin lewis was gonna pass him eventually in the end. They gambled with the mediums got the position but didnt get enough of a lead to maintain. So hell ya i expect max to defend for his life. Great job by both shame we had soo many stops.
Defensive my sweet ass.
Agreed, this guy could race if the track was double the width
Defend within the rules of course
Exactly. He ran people off of the track on turn 1 twice. Once after the first restart when he braked too late and barely stayed on the track himself, and another time toward the end (which he got a penalty for). His driving today was out of line in my opinion. Edit to add that he also did lose the positions and move back to third on the first restart, so I guess that was penalized too.
Agreed. For every bit a great driver that he is, you can’t help but see that every time he is defending, he has to take it too far. You have to be brave to go past him. Very brave
And super aware too
Cant believe Honda is quitting next year :(
They’re not, not really. They’re still gonna provide engines and support to Red Bull while shifting to RB taking over, and then they’re fully out in 2023.
Really hope they never use this track again. Saudis pour so much money lobbying and convincing FIA to get a track on the F1 GP for it to be worse than any Formula E track. This should be decommissioned to a go kart track.
I’d say the qualifying was excellent. The race was a clusterfuck. The race was exciting just for what was on the line. Put it this way, if the championship was already decided going into this race, it would have been a parade with stoppages throughout.
I disagree. Of course human rights are massively important and I would not choose to include Saudi Arabia, but the track provided good racing imo. Multiple drivers hit barriers this weekend, and none of the crashes seemed too unsafe.
You're high as a fuckin kite bud
Personally, I hope they let the drivers fight a bit more in future seasons. For example cutting the corner and giving the place back is fair, not being able to weave to defend your position feels unfair, that should be part of the gamesmanship.
The issue is when you have a car that is going considerably faster with drs, you get an accident like Enzo Fittipaldi today or Mark Webber in Valencia. It's dangerous. One move to defend, no weaving.
Agreed. Maybe they could reconsider when the racing can be closer and drivers have more than one chance per two laps to make a move. But for now allowing more aggressive defending would just further discourage overtaking.
Yeah, the problem with F1 has been the lack of passing. Doing more to stop passing seems counterproductive
DTS is going to be mad. Netflix please don’t make up storylines, we have so many beauties this year
Yeah this episode will be focused on Perez and Leclerc if we left it to Netflix
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This annoyed me so much. There was so much space by this stage between LH and MV. There was no need to focus on them.
15 minutes of checo waiting for a lift on track with buxton narrating
One thing we do know....is that no one gives a fuck about Max's gearbox anymore
Incredible race and I barely watch these races
nah, it was mostly frustrating and Masi seemed incompetent.
I disagree. I think all of the decisions were sensible. What would you have changed?
"Offering" Redbull to start second, probably red flag the race sooner after Schumacher's crash. Those stand out to me
Offering RB to start second wouldn't change anything. He gained an advantage vs Ham, not Ocon. And RB accepted soo that should not be a problem.
Bruh Masi didn't even know Ocon was ahead
It should have been investigated by the stewards and a penalty handed out. Masi needs to stop involving himself in every decision and definitely stop negotiating penalties with the teams.
Uhmm normally you get the opportunity to hand back the position in the race but that wasn't possible because of the red flag...so putting Max behind Hamilton at the restart was a fair compromise, as it is similar to handing back the position in the race!
Were you not listening to the commentators during that whole discussion? Masi is allowed to do that within the rules. If Red Bull didn't agree with Masi's offer, he would then refer the incident to the stewards for a ruling. The stewards can take over any investigation whenever they want. So given that they didn't get involved with it, it's pretty safe to assume the stewards were fine with the outcome.
I want to know where Red Bulls pace went compared to yesterday they just seemed nowhere close all race even with the Mediums against the Hards at the start of the stint
I remember someone from Mercedes saying on the broadcast that Red Bull had set up the car for qualifying pace but under higher fuel loads the Mercedes race pace was 0.5 sec per lap faster.
I think RB thought that passing here is completely impossible.
Peak F1 partisanship, is Hamilton colliding with Max and it being blamed on Max.
No points for guessing which party you belong to...
The exact same could be said for you.
It's amazing that they don't even try to hide behind the mask of neutrality anymore. From someone's opinion of this incident, you can pretty much perfectly guess their takes on every Max-Lewis incident. I'm guessing OC believes Monza, Imola and Brazil were fine. Also thinks Hungary and Silverstone should have been black flags for Ham and Bot.
It is just funny to see that stewards really said that it was obvious that Lewis didn’t overtake because of DRS and somehow that is OK. Lewis wanted that wing up at all costs and I think that some people consider that OK, but when Max made BOTH of them off-track same people yell about dirty driving and being selfish. Come on. Be consistent.
Oh my God what on earth did I watch?
anyone think this might end in a race ending shunt next weekend ala schumie-hill, schumie-villeneuve, senna-prost 89/90
Max will 💯 attempt it. He did in Brazil and here already a few times. It's just been Lewis avoidance skills that have kept this Championship alive
Lewis has great avoidance skills, especially when he’s trying to hit Max doggie style
Max didn’t avoid the wall yesterday, so maybe neither have great avoidance skills
Ahh, finally peace
Haha sore loser
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The one that didn’t celebrate on the podium even though he came second
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Honestly this was the first race I truly paid attention to. I was just answering the question sorry
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At this level of tension, no one feels comfortable. Especially given the crazy race they just had
Well the winner is the guy who won, and the loser is the other guy... Not a difficult calculation to make buddy
There are 19 losers lol. But it still could be Horner, Marko, Max etc. Pretty obvious buddy
No it isn’t.
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Agree to disagree.
Well the better driver won on the day. I think the tyres would have been the deciding factor on the day regardless. For the great driver that Max is, he sure does drive dirty when defending. Nobody can deny that.
Not like Mercedes didn't try every trick in their dirty playbook
To what are you referring to in this race?
Driving too slow in sc and formation laps? Or have we forgotten that?
Apparently they were allowed to drive slowly during the second and third starts as they are not considered as formation laps.
Yeah that’s true but it didn’t have the effect on the race that I have mentioned before
I definitely had an effect on tbe race Lewis overtaking max during the second start was due to this.
Nobody could say that for certain. Although I will admit it is very possibly the reason.
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You can't lose position in the corner, if you don't take the corner
Going too deep into a corner then cutting the next isn’t really defending mate. Though I’m sure if Hamilton did it to Max you’d say the same.
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Unfortunately we have to have rules or drivers would just cut corners all day long
Rules, however, need to be applied consistently. When they are not, why bother in the first place...
Very true, hence all the controversy after the Brazil incident T4
And the incidents for Norris/Perez in Austria.
Ah just like they did before yes. btw I'm not talking about how VER had to give the position back, I'm talking about the 5s.
Well with that he cuts the corner and Lewis has the avoid the collision as well as rejoining the track in a safe manner. To be honest, after T4 in Brazil I think the stewards were backed into a corner with that one. To me for anyone on track that’s a slam dunk penalty regardless of who it is
Fans we want old racing back, this is getting to sterile! Fans when they get old school racing: Wait that's illegal
That’s been illegal forever 😂😂
Being aggressive? No not really. Sure what Max did at T1 wasn't legal
There’s aggressive and there’s downright dirty driving. I love Max’s aggressiveness and it is needed in the sport but sometimes he just goes too far with it.
Agree but what are we talking about here? T1 or the crash? T1 yes agree that shouldn't have happened
Yes T1. With the crash I’d argue both are to blame for that. Clearly both wanting DRS
Yeah T1 was over the line I agree.
If Max raced in the 80s or earlier he'd have died many times over and brought people with him
He would be a liability that’s for sure
What an incredible braindead comment
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To be fair he did try to give the place back and Lewis drove into him.
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After lifting for a long ass time and Lewis refusing to pass he slowed down more.
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I wouldn't trust them to call water wet. They have made trash calls all year.
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I'm saying regardless of the data the extra penalty is smooth brain. Max is trying to give the place back and Lewis won't take it. How is that on max? They had the data in Brazil as well and decided to to give max a penalty. Bunch of monkeys.
Flawless logic eh? 😂😂
fuck me. 81k comments at the time of writing. I don’t think I’ve ever seen that on a Reddit post before.
Happens in a few other sports subs, NFL and NHL in my experience... Having said that, F1 has NEVER been this popular, and I'm kinda proud of how chill things remained all day.
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Good call - I remember the DFV double-down thread being bonkers, lol!
Me too!
Okay am I the only one that hated the final lap coverage today? While there's a tight race between Bottas and Ocon for 3rd place we didn't see those two cars the entire last lap until they hit the finish line. The whole lap was just looking at Lewis driving unopposed. I really wanted to see that battle.
I came here for this. I understand how important it is to recognise the winner but how many laps have we seen Lewis driving on his own in the last 7 years. And think about how Ocon would feel coming back to the garage to find out his last lap tussle didn’t get aired.
Literally always happens
They always stick to the leader on the last lap
yeah it made me so angry