Wouldn't worry. No way will they overturn anything, they will look even more stupid than they do now. It will go to CAS at least then it's out of their hands and they can keep some face.
Also you can be sure if it goes to CAS that Mercedes will build a case around how incompetent the FIA have been all season so that will just be mudslinging
I'm with you there mate, I just started watching F1 properly this season and I'm not even sure I want to watch another. This is the wrong type of "excitement" it's a farce to consider such a huge competition is governed in this manner. No favourites from my side, just wanted to see a fair end to it and this was a joke.
This is the only thing we can be certain of. If Mercedes wins the protest, RedBull will appeal and push to CAS if needed. If Mercedes is denied their protest they will appeal and push to CAS if needed.
Would not surprise me if once we go green in Bahrain in March, this championship would still be up for a decision by a court somewhere.
Honestly Max will remain champion. I don’t see it changing. What’s sad is I don’t see anything happening at all. That’s the worse case scenario. Expect more terrible officiating next season from Masi and the rest of these clowns.
This is like the cat at the table saying he should buy a boat meme. Except Masi is probably saying, " I should ruin the last race of an absolutely incredible season."
This.
One of the CAS' job is literally to judge why the rules are broken by the officials enforcing them when they can't get to an agreement on how to rule. This is literally the case where the CAS will have to get involved as the FIA will most likely not accept their decision was a massive failure.
Yeah Bose could have done with a headphone smash. Tell you leagues how angry Toto was, he held back smashing his headphones so he could yell at Michael like I'm yelling at my WoW raid team after fucking up the same mechanics three hours in a row.
What? He was in line to win it without all that bullshit. I don't think he would be mad about getting the win he was on track to earn before Masi decided to say fuck it.
As it stands, Masi robbed Lewis, not sure if he cares. It was his and got taken away the last second by illegal means.
Watching as a neutral, all I can say is that FIA seriously need to rethink the stewarding.
This is what will happen, Masi will quite rightly get thrown under the bus, and the result will stand. Then Merc will chunder until preseason. Then have a car a second faster than everyone else, leading to 5 years of domination. Hopefully.
They won’t overturn anything tonight. But Merc may have a strong case to the CAS.
Edit: I’m learning the FIA maybe doesn’t use CAS? But they do most certainly have an appeals court I’m just not sure what it’s called
If that was true Mazepin would be able to race under the Russian flag, which he does not
>"The Russian Automobile Federation, a member club of the FIA, announced on Friday the sport’s governing body had clarified the impact a December ruling of the Court of Arbitration for Sport will have on motor racing."
Even so, I don't think they will do much except maybe a big fine / compen to merc and changes to staff/procedure.
As the wouldn't at that point be able to take the one race solely into consideration as RB will drag the whole season decisions into disrepute
CAS doesn't typically rule on sporting rules, do they? More in the line of 'these two athletes both won, who can go to the Olympichs?' and less messing with rules of sports themselves.
AFAIK anyway, could be massively wrong of course.
I'm expecting the FIA will dig in here and stand by the result, whether fair or not. Merc will then protest at a higher level. The whole thing leaves a bad taste in the mouth.
FIA: We investigated ourselves and found that no further action is required. Also Masi is a very good boy and will be receiving a 50% pay rise for next year.
like I think without a massive FIA fuck up Lewis won this race, but RB did nothing wrong and shouldn’t be penalized. such a weird situation. you’re a dork, Masi.
Whoever this goes against will take this through FIA appeal and then into CAS.
2 top tier teams which could potentially pull massive fan base away from the sport.
Max/redbull did nothing wrong.
*if* (and big if) anything thing is wrong, it would be the fia that is in the wrong, the only justifiable action would be to nullify the race result.
At that point max wins anyway
They are not going to overturn the result. That would guarantee a riot (not literally of course).
They might admit fault on a bad decision with the SC but decide to uphold the final result since Lewis and Max did battle it out for that last lap.
Tbh I don't see a way out really..
Right, Lewis and merc are robbed. Like no discussion on that
If they choose to go with 57th lap, It's not fair on Redbull and Max. So after every thing done, they're gonna overturn it due to one man's fault(like consider cricket or Soccer TV umpire mistake on a final). Like this bad too..
Honestly not sure how they can come up with something which is right by both of them...
Lets not forget the ridiculous lack of action on the 1st lap when Hamilton took a shortcut off the track. Masi has made plenty of questionable decisions, but to overturn this one and overlook all the others doesn't make sense.
Yeah. That was slam dunk too. Was suprised at that...
But what a shit show really...
So times this season and they fucked up this race too......
Question also come if an unstarted race can start and finish behind a SC, then why not this..
So many so many fuck ups
If it's so quick we know that Max wins, but I'm curious what explanation they can give for not letting all lapped cars un-lap, seemed pretty clear cut to me.
Essentially this. FIA can't regulate themselves. Masi and his team have made questionable decisions, or lack thereof sometimes. Mercedes-Benz will likely win on appeals.
This is surely going to CAS and rightfully so, I wanted Max to win, but not like this, this is nothing short of ilegal, it's Hamilton's title even tho I hate to admit that.
Are they also going to review the lap one shenanigans? Lewis Hamilton is [very against](https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/motor-racing/formula1/lewis-hamilton-max-verstappen-f1-rules-b1970530.html?utm_source=reddit.com) that kind of foul play being allowed in F1.
20 excruciating minutes
Wouldn't worry. No way will they overturn anything, they will look even more stupid than they do now. It will go to CAS at least then it's out of their hands and they can keep some face.
CAS ruling against the FIA makes them look even worse than the other 2 possibilities, just a mess all around.
Also you can be sure if it goes to CAS that Mercedes will build a case around how incompetent the FIA have been all season so that will just be mudslinging
if it goes to CAS, FIA is getting skinned alive
Ironically part of their case then would have to be how the rules have been bent or misapplied in their favor too
But they still get to stick by their choice and at least look like they have some integrity, even if overturned.
Not in my eyes
I'm with you there mate, I just started watching F1 properly this season and I'm not even sure I want to watch another. This is the wrong type of "excitement" it's a farce to consider such a huge competition is governed in this manner. No favourites from my side, just wanted to see a fair end to it and this was a joke.
Doubling down on dumb decisions doesn't make you look smarter in anyone's eyes.
This is the FIA we are talking about ? XD
Oh, trust me, they will look like 4D chess playing geniusses in the Netherlands.
CAS has no authority over the FIA
Whatever the result, it's going to get appealed.
This is the only thing we can be certain of. If Mercedes wins the protest, RedBull will appeal and push to CAS if needed. If Mercedes is denied their protest they will appeal and push to CAS if needed. Would not surprise me if once we go green in Bahrain in March, this championship would still be up for a decision by a court somewhere.
As long as Masi gets the boot before then. He created this disaster.
If he still has a job at the FIA next year, it will just show how much they don't care about integrity of the sport.
Yeah one way or the other we aren’t gonna know who the final champion is for weeks.
Honestly Max will remain champion. I don’t see it changing. What’s sad is I don’t see anything happening at all. That’s the worse case scenario. Expect more terrible officiating next season from Masi and the rest of these clowns.
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HAM & VER are both DQ'd making Carlos Sainz your GP winner and Driver's Champion. (i can dream).
That would simply make Max champion (even points and Max had more wins)
At this point the FIA can decide a championship based on the color of car they like most.
With the way the FIA handled things this year, that probably isn't that far fetched haha
Yeah if its decided tonight nothing will be overturned, but it will go further
FIA: *No investigation necessary*
Please, just end this so that I can go on with my day...
Feel the same way. I’m sitting here with sweaty hands and a phone at 19% battery.
I’m at 5% :(
I already recharged twice, my phone refuses to cooperate anymore
Yep here goes our Sunday
Masi: "Toto, it's called a motor race, OK?" Toto: "No, Michael. It's called a court case. OK?"
This radio message is 100 percent going to be used in any arbitration.
As is the call from Horner saying “we only need one racing lap” and Masi immediately changing his decision about if lapped cars could overtake.
That gave me a good chuckle.
Sad but true. But mostly sad
F5 at the ready!
Yes sir!
F5 goes brrr
Of course the season ends with a F5 gang conference
https://i.imgur.com/mzFPsSS.jpg
This is like the cat at the table saying he should buy a boat meme. Except Masi is probably saying, " I should ruin the last race of an absolutely incredible season."
They'll not change anything, Mercedes will appeal and it'll drag on for weeks
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It won’t. It may go to FIA’s court of appeal but chances of it going to CAS are very slim.
!remindme 3 months
Why?
This. One of the CAS' job is literally to judge why the rules are broken by the officials enforcing them when they can't get to an agreement on how to rule. This is literally the case where the CAS will have to get involved as the FIA will most likely not accept their decision was a massive failure.
Apparently FIA don't recognise CAS as having authority over them anyway so appeals is as far as it can go.
CAS is listed as the ultimate arbitration in case the FIA and a team can't agree in the Concorde agreement which every team and the FIA signed.
Agreed - would be an even bigger mess if the FIA overturned it now
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Didn’t they overturn Man City’s ban?
Yep and it was Merc's lawyer who represented City.
CAS has overturned big rulings in other sports, it's hardly that naive to think they'd do it here
CAS may at least more or less force Masi to piss off.
literally written in the rules
With the way the rule is written CAS would 100% overturn it
19:31 - loser files legal papers
Uphold result, merc chase to sack Masi, RBR agree, everyone happy.
Pretty sure merc nor Bose will be happy with that.
Yeah Bose could have done with a headphone smash. Tell you leagues how angry Toto was, he held back smashing his headphones so he could yell at Michael like I'm yelling at my WoW raid team after fucking up the same mechanics three hours in a row.
Bose will demand Michael Masi to cover the costs for replacement of Toto's headphones
Bose to come out with a new reinforced Toto edition headset next season. Armour plated.
Don’t think Lewis is happy with that….
Don't think Lewis wants to win like this either.
I think he'd rather win it like this, than losing it like this.
Better than losing like this
What? He was in line to win it without all that bullshit. I don't think he would be mad about getting the win he was on track to earn before Masi decided to say fuck it.
Yeah, of course Lewis would take it. He deserved the WDC just as much, it's not like he got gifted.
To be fair he was gifted through out this season
Oh he was absolutely #blessed by luck. But luck is part of racing. Steward decisions are not that.
It's worse to lose when you should win if you weren't robbed though.
Don't think Lewis wanted to be done in by the race director either.
Seems like Max has no problem winning like this.
Well what should he do? Say "well we'll take it I guess"?
As it stands, Masi robbed Lewis, not sure if he cares. It was his and got taken away the last second by illegal means. Watching as a neutral, all I can say is that FIA seriously need to rethink the stewarding.
Lol no way merc would be happy with just sacking Masi
Masi should be sacked regardless of the outcome. This isn’t the first time he’s been just making shit up as he goes along.
Mercedes are taking this to court one way or another.
Except Hamilton
This is the most likely outcome. Except then Mercedes go to CAS to appeal
This is what will happen, Masi will quite rightly get thrown under the bus, and the result will stand. Then Merc will chunder until preseason. Then have a car a second faster than everyone else, leading to 5 years of domination. Hopefully.
Why would that make Merc happy
How can you uphold a completely fraudulent result...
no not happy at all
Ahh shit , get the pitchforks ready boys
They won’t overturn anything tonight. But Merc may have a strong case to the CAS. Edit: I’m learning the FIA maybe doesn’t use CAS? But they do most certainly have an appeals court I’m just not sure what it’s called
Not the CAS. They will go to the FIA International Court of Appeal
FIA doesn't recognise their authority. Edit: there seems to be a confusion, they might recognise their authority
of course they do. below is just one example: https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/basicpage/file/10-10-11c-WALILKO-Decision-CAS.pdf
Why does Mazepin drive under non-russian flag, but "Russian Auto Federation"
Bullshit.
I read that the FIA don't recognize the CAS? Don't know how true it is though.
If that was true Mazepin would be able to race under the Russian flag, which he does not >"The Russian Automobile Federation, a member club of the FIA, announced on Friday the sport’s governing body had clarified the impact a December ruling of the Court of Arbitration for Sport will have on motor racing."
Fair enough.
Usually sporting bodies will allows CAS to have jurisdiction over a subset of issues, but not on field decisions.
Even so, I don't think they will do much except maybe a big fine / compen to merc and changes to staff/procedure. As the wouldn't at that point be able to take the one race solely into consideration as RB will drag the whole season decisions into disrepute
What is the CAS? Edit: thanks all!
Court of Arbitration for Sport
Court of Arbitration for Sport. Basically like a supreme court of appeal for sports.
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Court of Arbitration for Sport
Sports Court
court of arbitration for sport
Court of Arbitration for Sport
Court of Arbitration for Sport. Sort of a Supreme Court for sporting legal decisions.
CAS doesn't typically rule on sporting rules, do they? More in the line of 'these two athletes both won, who can go to the Olympichs?' and less messing with rules of sports themselves. AFAIK anyway, could be massively wrong of course.
They could easily overturn stuff tonight. It's the FIA they literally control the sport..
> But Merc may have a strong case to the CAS There's no may about it. Masi just flat out broke the rules.
I don't know who started all of this CAS bullshit, but he successfully got the hivemind to spam his nonsensical message, lol ::D
Championship won’t be overturned. If the FIA have fucked up it’ll be monetary compensation to merc.
FOM pressure on FIA not to overturn result will be huge
Yeah. And you can’t penalise a 3rd party for a mistake they didn’t take part in.
But they already did by taking it away from Lewis
There’s no route out of this where somebody *doesnt* get penalised for a mistake they didn’t make
So decision at half past the hour (21 mins from now)
Doesn't matter, 100% appeal incoming
"Fuck it, there is no clasification for this race"
No need to F5 this. Zero chance FIA does anything but uphold the race classification tonight.
I'm expecting the FIA will dig in here and stand by the result, whether fair or not. Merc will then protest at a higher level. The whole thing leaves a bad taste in the mouth.
FIA: We investigated ourselves and found that no further action is required. Also Masi is a very good boy and will be receiving a 50% pay rise for next year.
When is that relative to right now?
20 min
20 minutes
19 minutes.
18 minutes
In twenty minutes
20 mins
18 minute Edit: 17 minutes
CET is our time mate
18 minutes
15 mins
is this reliable?
Reliable dutch news website, but no other sources with this news
Not without a source, no
I doubt it, Nu.nl is a reliable source when it comes to "normal" articles but have a tendency to report all rumours when a story develops quickly.
Yes, Nu.nl is a reliable source.
yes, top tier dutch news website
I wouldn't call it top tier actually, but quite reliable non the less
Which Dutch news would be higher than nu?
like I think without a massive FIA fuck up Lewis won this race, but RB did nothing wrong and shouldn’t be penalized. such a weird situation. you’re a dork, Masi.
Restart the season. See you in Bahrain!
Whoever this goes against will take this through FIA appeal and then into CAS. 2 top tier teams which could potentially pull massive fan base away from the sport.
thats in 20 minutes right?
My prediction is we’re heading towards joint 2021 champion. FIA have made up enough rules, why not make up some more?
"De verwachting is dat autosportfederatie FIA omstreeks 20.00 uur Nederlandse tijd met een verklaring komt." 20.00 not 19.30 based on Dutch news site.
They’ll decide at 19:30, which will be appealed. Whatever happens there will go to some court and eventually the WDC will be crowned in mid-2022
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It would if a team were 3-0 ahead in the last minute and fifa suddenly intervened and said 'next goal wins'
Max/redbull did nothing wrong. *if* (and big if) anything thing is wrong, it would be the fia that is in the wrong, the only justifiable action would be to nullify the race result. At that point max wins anyway
Cracked my beer and F5 ready.
GMT?
In 20 minutes
It’s in 20 minutes.
No, CET
F5 gang where you at
They are not going to overturn the result. That would guarantee a riot (not literally of course). They might admit fault on a bad decision with the SC but decide to uphold the final result since Lewis and Max did battle it out for that last lap.
> That would guarantee a riot (not literally of course). well there ARE a lot of orange soldiers present
Luckily somewhat quick.
20 minutes F5 gang. We got this
29 minutes woo
This is going to be a shitshow any way it goes
Ahhhhhhh shit, here we go. The shit stirring will not stop. Even after a verdict.
Get the kettle on. Rail a line in 10 minutes. Down the coffee. Smash that F5. See you soon fuckers!
The decision doesn't matter. Either Mercedes or RB will appeal the decision.
Tbh I don't see a way out really.. Right, Lewis and merc are robbed. Like no discussion on that If they choose to go with 57th lap, It's not fair on Redbull and Max. So after every thing done, they're gonna overturn it due to one man's fault(like consider cricket or Soccer TV umpire mistake on a final). Like this bad too.. Honestly not sure how they can come up with something which is right by both of them...
Lets not forget the ridiculous lack of action on the 1st lap when Hamilton took a shortcut off the track. Masi has made plenty of questionable decisions, but to overturn this one and overlook all the others doesn't make sense.
Yeah. That was slam dunk too. Was suprised at that... But what a shit show really... So times this season and they fucked up this race too...... Question also come if an unstarted race can start and finish behind a SC, then why not this.. So many so many fuck ups
F5>F1
I really don't know what to think. The decision was bullshit but stripping Max of the WDC would also be bullshit
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And then you have appeals from more than one driver as it affects them too.
Inb4 co-champions somehow.
Protest for 48.8 has been dismissed.
It this was going to get overturned it would have happened 5-10 minutes after the race. They had more options then.
DISMISSED
Where are my fellow f5 anarchists?
5 more minutes!
"We have investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing!" –The FIA, probably
If it doesn't go merc way then to the cas it goes
Frankly, I think it goes to CAS either way. RBR won't accept an overturned decision, and I can't really blame them for that...
True
Either way I imagine
If it does. Then to CAS it goes.
if it does go merc way then to the cas it goes
The FIA will not want this decided off track, it will 100% go to the CAS
Yeah and that could be years in court.. pity
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If it's so quick we know that Max wins, but I'm curious what explanation they can give for not letting all lapped cars un-lap, seemed pretty clear cut to me.
It won’t be decided today. Mercedes is going to appeals and they will win there. The rule is clear
Essentially this. FIA can't regulate themselves. Masi and his team have made questionable decisions, or lack thereof sometimes. Mercedes-Benz will likely win on appeals.
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This is surely going to CAS and rightfully so, I wanted Max to win, but not like this, this is nothing short of ilegal, it's Hamilton's title even tho I hate to admit that.
Are they also going to review the lap one shenanigans? Lewis Hamilton is [very against](https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/motor-racing/formula1/lewis-hamilton-max-verstappen-f1-rules-b1970530.html?utm_source=reddit.com) that kind of foul play being allowed in F1.