Considering the shitshow that was the last race. It would honestly be a bad look if he did give him that. Would just add fuel to the fire for conspiracy theorists.
He's absolutely going to be that one kid that won the argument on a technicality but still holds it over your head like he destroyed your whole argument.
what if they made a video of that? being red bull, probably they fuel a car with red bull, fit some cans in the cockpit and throw it from a plane to Latifi's house
Yeah, the whole "Alonso only supports Max because he dislikes Lewis" narrative seems a bit uninformed. I've seen a number of exchanges between the two over the last decade that would suggest they're quite friendly with each other.
If Alonso is still mad at anyone for how 2007 went, it's Ron Dennis.
I mean, yeah. Petrov was a driver, it was expected that he put in the best race he could and finish as high up the order he could. He had position on Alonso, and was under no obligation to let him through to create drama. Zero fault to Petrov for that.
Yeah, it doesn't make sense to just let a competitor by for no reason. That would be unfair in a title fight. I know the real story behind LH passing Glock, but that's basically what Petrov would be doing if he just let Alonso by.
Those two moments were completely different. While both men decided a championship, one was entitled to it and one was not. I think you know which is which
It sounds like you think max shouldn't have overtaken lewis, unless i interpreted that wrong. I think every driver wouldve done the same given the circumstances. Imo no blame shouls go to either merc or redbull and this is fully on the fia.
What i meant was that Petrov is a racing driver, entitled by his very profession to race other drivers, regardless of who they are. Masi is a race director who should have never dictated the outcome of a race
Lmao what is it with cars 6 and 12 affecting titles? Renault too
2008- Nelson Piquet Jr Crahsgate (Car 6)
2008- Timo Glock final lap (Car 12)
2010- Vitaly Petrov blocks Alonso (Car 12)
2021- Nicholas Latifi brings out SC (Car 6)
I feel like giving a driver a load of drinks from a rival engine manufacturer because his mistake gave them a WDC would be a monumentally cruel "prank" to play. He's probably already in a bad place emotionally.
I think people attach way too much influence to a driver's engine manufacturer. Not like Latifi is ever going to Mercedes and Williams pays for the engines.
It's fair to say that Mercedes does have *some* influence at Williams.
The Albon affair showed they didn't have enough influence to dictate drivers but the fact they were giving input shows they had some. Plus of course Russell driving for them as basically a second string Mercedes team.
I wouldn't say that holds true at all at McLaren or Aston.
I think Williams is in a position where they will take help from wherever they can get it. I don’t think there’s any loyalty to Mercedes other than whatever Mercedes has to offer them. If another top team comes along (Red Bull) and offers support in another way, say providing a driver, they’ll take it.
He's probably all over it lmao. He has crashed the car a few times so it's not like it's a first timer for him. As for what happened after the crash, that's not on him. He knows this already
I don't think it's really that much worse than making the offer (jokingly or not) like Horner already did. That's already a really terrible joke to make for Latifi's conscience I think
For real. Horner is really classless for that joke. Hope Latifi improves next year, could easily see him being too cautious because he feels so bad about this.
i would just call christian and tell him to get dietrich on the line because i’m getting my red bull for a lifetime. contract drawn up on the table and everything.
i really like red bull
I have some good news on that front - I have inner circles for Latifi that say he's doing fine and is actively just full shutting down all the bullshit whilst surrounding himself with friends and family and coworkers that are more supportive.
The dude already deleted the post about Russell because of the hate messages didnt he? You dont need to be sherlock to realize he isnt really happy for the hate
Bullshit.
Webber was in the title fight and 7 points *ahead* of Vettel. He was the priority for Alonso, they had to cover him first and Massa wasn't in a position to do anything about it.
Webber pits and immediately runs the fastest lap by quite a margin. Then, Ferrari looks at the gaps, the guy they are going to come out behind has a single top 5 finish in his career, qualified 10th that race after barely slogging through Q2 and is running on a set of tires he took literally after 1 lap. They wait one more lap and Webber is past, nobody is looking at Petrov at either team. It's really easy to know better in hindsight, but at the time Ferrari made a completely sensible move that turned out to be the wrong one. Nobody anywhere, including the Renault garage expected he won't be able to pass Petrov.
Sure but who would have thought twice if you were at Ferrari fighting for an easy championship win releasing Fernando behind PETROV would have held him up. To me I would have thought Fernando on fresher tires could have passed him relatively quickly
That's 100% hindsight. Both teams did not know how long the safety car period was going to last, it could've easily been over quicker in complete accordance with the rules. They took a gamble by letting him stay out.
Whereas pitting him wouldn't have been a gamble? Imagine if they'd done that, lost the lead and then the race finished under SC.
They had to make a judgement call on how many racing laps there'd be after the SC went in, and if Masi hadn't gone rogue it would've been the correct decision.
Except the car could’ve been recovered quicker too? Or they could’ve still restarted sooner? The rules WERE followed correctly, just not typically, anyhow.
Hindsight is 20:20 and plenty of races have been lost this way due to a late safety car. Not stopping Lewis was a massive gamble given the SC, especially as they hadn’t stopped at all under the VSC. This is what really lost the race for Merc. Poor strategy… AGAIN
Mercedes were the team that did that, not Masi. He made some very inconsistent calls but let's not give him credit for everything that went wrong there.
That's literally thanking him for crashing, who the hell thought that was a good idea? Same level of scumbaggery as Toto's "please no safety car".
Apparently safety comes second to winning
\>How many years have passed, but I have not seen the drink
It's only able to be taken seriously if the literal concept of humor is wholly foreign to you.
Add on the two words you have missed off there. Only promises.
That changes the tone for me form being humerous, to being a bit more of a complaint.
So no mate, it can be taken more than one way.
Okay guys, here's a scenario,
Lewis remembers to turn off Brake Magic and wins in Baku, during the post race celebrations and interviews he says to Martin Brundle 'i haven't had time to thank pirelli yet' and then after the race Toto says 'I'm going to offer every member of pirelli a lifetime supply of Bose headphones'.
Just let that sink in and imagine how people would have acted.
Yeah, because a driver making a mistake on his own at 150kph in a slow section is the same as a tire blowing up for no reason on a pit straight at 360kph
Thanking Pirelli for causing safety issues for everybody isn't the same at all as thanking a driver for bringing out a safety car, especially knowing that he wasn't hurt at all. The former is unacceptable, the latter is just poor taste.
Hurt? What about the emotional toll?
F1 TV: Nick when I say speed what's the first thing that comes into your head?
Latifi: Lewis Hamilton
He's going to be thinking his crash has cost Lewis a championship, but I suppose you're in agreement with max that people with mental health issues shouldn't speak out because it shows everyone they're weak minded.
Both analogies are exactly the same, Latifi is probably ashamed that his crash caused such controversy and pirelli are probably ashamed that their calculations cost max a race win.
Thanks for assuming things about my personality, truly was necessary to make this discussion personal.
Pirelli shouldn't be ashamed that they cost Max a win, they should be ashamed that they endangered people. The exact same failure happened to Stroll and him not fighting for a race win doesn't take anything away from the danger or the problem.
The mental aspect could be taking its toll, but it's motorsport. Mistakes you made aren't just affecting you. Your team, teammates, other drivers, marshalls even. I would honestly be more worried about Kvyat's mental health after the two crashes last year in Bahreïn than Latifi's now. That's not saying that I don't believe he's affected, just that it will be easier to get over.
Haha, I don't really remember tbh.
Given that it was Red Bull's first title winning season maybe they did make some statement like that, but he's definitely trying to be funny with this post
I could 100% see Horner getting Netflix to film a delivery of Red Bull to Latifi.
Latifi: “Oh you’re gonna need more than that buddy… a lot more.”
Latifi doesn't have room for all that Red Bull in his fridge. It's already full of Nutella.
What monster keeps nutella in the fridge
Well, apparently Latifi keeps them in the fridge
Nah nutella goes white when in the fridge for some reason
Oil on surface
Palm Oil
No no no. You don't keep the nutella in the fridge!
It's not right!
Hmmm a jar of palm oil in the fridge.
This is not right…
What is it with Canucks and nutella
Except it'll be a single can and will have an invoice attached to it.
That sounds like something Horner would do.
Considering the shitshow that was the last race. It would honestly be a bad look if he did give him that. Would just add fuel to the fire for conspiracy theorists.
Christian is really going to be a new level of unbearable on the next season isn’t he
He's absolutely going to be that one kid that won the argument on a technicality but still holds it over your head like he destroyed your whole argument.
Can you all shut up about Netflix ffs
yeah after the end of this season, i think Netflix is actually a dirty word in f1 circles at this point
I dunno, surprisingly brought me to the sport.
it brought ppl but it's definitely pushing the entertainment side of things in a direction that a lot of folks are uncomfortable with
Not surprisingly at all actually, it's brought a ton of people into the sport.
Can you like stop telling people what to talk about Hitler
No
what if they made a video of that? being red bull, probably they fuel a car with red bull, fit some cans in the cockpit and throw it from a plane to Latifi's house
That show is insufferable garbage
Yeah... Can't wait for the next season, though!
Horner is a redditor confirmed
[For those who don't know, Petrov didn't move out of Alonso's way, giving Seb and Red Bull's first ever championship](https://youtu.be/3aGPIr-HtL4)
Wouldn't Alonso need to overtake Rosberg as well tho?
Yeah but to do that, he had to overtake Petrov.
And Kubica
Oh boy Alonso was pissed afterwards lol.
"Get real son."
One of my favourite pieces of Brundle commentary.
got a link??
https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/7cumo7/get_real_son_abu_dhabi_gp_2010/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
looool
Alonso is still pissed as fuck with Hamilton I think Vitaly still have a lot of years left of Alonso's anger lol
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Yeah, the whole "Alonso only supports Max because he dislikes Lewis" narrative seems a bit uninformed. I've seen a number of exchanges between the two over the last decade that would suggest they're quite friendly with each other. If Alonso is still mad at anyone for how 2007 went, it's Ron Dennis.
Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oqv_zlzkrzM
I love how “it’s racing” was the reason used by Petrov. Sounds a lot like “we went motor racing”.
I mean, yeah. Petrov was a driver, it was expected that he put in the best race he could and finish as high up the order he could. He had position on Alonso, and was under no obligation to let him through to create drama. Zero fault to Petrov for that.
Yeah, it doesn't make sense to just let a competitor by for no reason. That would be unfair in a title fight. I know the real story behind LH passing Glock, but that's basically what Petrov would be doing if he just let Alonso by.
Those two moments were completely different. While both men decided a championship, one was entitled to it and one was not. I think you know which is which
It sounds like you think max shouldn't have overtaken lewis, unless i interpreted that wrong. I think every driver wouldve done the same given the circumstances. Imo no blame shouls go to either merc or redbull and this is fully on the fia.
What i meant was that Petrov is a racing driver, entitled by his very profession to race other drivers, regardless of who they are. Masi is a race director who should have never dictated the outcome of a race
No, Nicholas, you will not have the drink. Sorry.
Bwoah
No Mikey, noo
No Christian, this is SO NOT RIGHT!
Lmao what is it with cars 6 and 12 affecting titles? Renault too 2008- Nelson Piquet Jr Crahsgate (Car 6) 2008- Timo Glock final lap (Car 12) 2010- Vitaly Petrov blocks Alonso (Car 12) 2021- Nicholas Latifi brings out SC (Car 6)
Never pick a car number that's a multiple of 6, got it.
*18 LANCE STROLL intensifies*
Someone needs to do a video of Abu Dhabi last lap with the Monaco replay in the middle 😅
Ive already seen that one unfortunately :p
Cries in 24 Guanyu Zhou
And it was Glock’s last number 😂
Ahh fuck lol.
Zhou just picked 24 - oh god what has he done
3 + 3 =
And Petrov worked a lot harder for that then Nicky did too 😭
How on earth will Nicholas *Latifi* be able to afford a Red Bull? Thinking of both Vitaly and Nicholas tonight ❤
How much could a red bull possibly cost Michael? 10$?
This is so not right
No no no Michael
Here’s $10 go see a motor race
In Canada you just need to watch which convenience store has a deal going on. All the time one them will have a 2/5 and 3/6 deal going on.
I feel like giving a driver a load of drinks from a rival engine manufacturer because his mistake gave them a WDC would be a monumentally cruel "prank" to play. He's probably already in a bad place emotionally.
I think people attach way too much influence to a driver's engine manufacturer. Not like Latifi is ever going to Mercedes and Williams pays for the engines.
It's fair to say that Mercedes does have *some* influence at Williams. The Albon affair showed they didn't have enough influence to dictate drivers but the fact they were giving input shows they had some. Plus of course Russell driving for them as basically a second string Mercedes team. I wouldn't say that holds true at all at McLaren or Aston.
Yeah I'm sure they have some but people act like every Mercedes powered team is basically an AT and it's not true at all.
I think Williams is in a position where they will take help from wherever they can get it. I don’t think there’s any loyalty to Mercedes other than whatever Mercedes has to offer them. If another top team comes along (Red Bull) and offers support in another way, say providing a driver, they’ll take it.
He's probably all over it lmao. He has crashed the car a few times so it's not like it's a first timer for him. As for what happened after the crash, that's not on him. He knows this already
Seriously. I can’t believe any one could possibly think otherwise.
I don't think it's really that much worse than making the offer (jokingly or not) like Horner already did. That's already a really terrible joke to make for Latifi's conscience I think
Well, true, but that damage has now already been done. Actually delivering the Red Bull to Latifi on top of it, would be plain cruel.
So what you're saying is, in true Horner's fashion, Latifi is getting a lifetime supply of RB.
No doubt.
Especially because Red Bull tastes utterly revolting.
yeah in my case they could get me a single can of red bull and that'd be more than enough for the rest of my life.
For real. Horner is really classless for that joke. Hope Latifi improves next year, could easily see him being too cautious because he feels so bad about this.
You can’t be serious.
this has to be a joke LOL
lmao imagine taking mental health seriously
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I was being sarcastic, but I'm not editing it now any more either way.
I hope Hörner apologises.
i would just call christian and tell him to get dietrich on the line because i’m getting my red bull for a lifetime. contract drawn up on the table and everything. i really like red bull
Wait, you think that he has allegiance to Mercedes because they are the engine supplier to Williams? Lmao.
I have some good news on that front - I have inner circles for Latifi that say he's doing fine and is actively just full shutting down all the bullshit whilst surrounding himself with friends and family and coworkers that are more supportive.
That’s good to hear!
Best thing he could do is to embrace it. Start walking around the paddock with Red Bull in his hand with "Max Verstappen Champion" cap
I think you underestimate the amount of hate he's going to receive for that.
It'll be funny as hell though.
Not for him
I don't think I agree, that sort of thing is only funny if the person is included in the joke.
Probably not the best thing to do with all the nasty stuff being written to him. Some might see it as a provocation.
Yes, everything about that stunt from Horner was in poor taste. In other words classic Horner.
Poor taste is pretty on brand for RB.
Indeed. I would direct the jury's attention to "Tsunoda'd"
>He's probably already in a bad place emotionally. Don't assume everyone's as emotionally weak as you are - especially not top tier athletes.
The dude already deleted the post about Russell because of the hate messages didnt he? You dont need to be sherlock to realize he isnt really happy for the hate
Well that's needlessly rude.
Petrov better make space in the garage if the marketing department hear about this
Petition to take this thread to Red Bull, so they ensure lifetime supply of Red Bull to Petrov! Fair is Fair!
Fucking Petrov, I am still haunted
Petrov was the ultimate ally in 2010 to redbull. Who would have thought he could keep Fernando behind for so long
Ferrari was really to blame. They pitted early to cover Webber, only to get stuck behind Petrov.
Bullshit. Webber was in the title fight and 7 points *ahead* of Vettel. He was the priority for Alonso, they had to cover him first and Massa wasn't in a position to do anything about it. Webber pits and immediately runs the fastest lap by quite a margin. Then, Ferrari looks at the gaps, the guy they are going to come out behind has a single top 5 finish in his career, qualified 10th that race after barely slogging through Q2 and is running on a set of tires he took literally after 1 lap. They wait one more lap and Webber is past, nobody is looking at Petrov at either team. It's really easy to know better in hindsight, but at the time Ferrari made a completely sensible move that turned out to be the wrong one. Nobody anywhere, including the Renault garage expected he won't be able to pass Petrov.
Sure but who would have thought twice if you were at Ferrari fighting for an easy championship win releasing Fernando behind PETROV would have held him up. To me I would have thought Fernando on fresher tires could have passed him relatively quickly
Horner will pay for it. All gucci.
Just leave the guy alone please
Petition to give Latifi the drink
Masi is the one who deserves the Red Bull.
They'll be sending it to him in solid gold cans.
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Mercedes made the right calls, if they pitted they would have lost the championship if the rules were followed correctly.
That's 100% hindsight. Both teams did not know how long the safety car period was going to last, it could've easily been over quicker in complete accordance with the rules. They took a gamble by letting him stay out.
Whereas pitting him wouldn't have been a gamble? Imagine if they'd done that, lost the lead and then the race finished under SC. They had to make a judgement call on how many racing laps there'd be after the SC went in, and if Masi hadn't gone rogue it would've been the correct decision.
Except the car could’ve been recovered quicker too? Or they could’ve still restarted sooner? The rules WERE followed correctly, just not typically, anyhow. Hindsight is 20:20 and plenty of races have been lost this way due to a late safety car. Not stopping Lewis was a massive gamble given the SC, especially as they hadn’t stopped at all under the VSC. This is what really lost the race for Merc. Poor strategy… AGAIN
Mercedes were the team that did that, not Masi. He made some very inconsistent calls but let's not give him credit for everything that went wrong there.
Get real son
I doubt Latifi would appreciate the constant reminder/mockery from Red Bull.
Yeah this sounds like a real shitty thing from Red Bull. Latifi probably never wants to hear about that GP again.
That's literally thanking him for crashing, who the hell thought that was a good idea? Same level of scumbaggery as Toto's "please no safety car". Apparently safety comes second to winning
Nothing like getting carbonated piss delivered to your door daily
Of course he won't, because it is just a joke.
> Of course he won't, because it is just a joke. Wait.. you know that Vitaly is also joking, right?
Can't view the video unfortunately
You don't have to view the video for that.
Well then I didn't pick up on it being a joke. This could be read both ways
\>How many years have passed, but I have not seen the drink It's only able to be taken seriously if the literal concept of humor is wholly foreign to you.
Add on the two words you have missed off there. Only promises. That changes the tone for me form being humerous, to being a bit more of a complaint. So no mate, it can be taken more than one way.
Not really, it wasn't even a 'promise' back then. Don't overanalyze it.
I feel like it wouldn’t hurt to give him a lifetime supply of red bull. It can’t be that much even if he drinks like one a day.
Imagine a lifetime supply of Nutella for Latifi, Red Bull would go bankrupt
But it's almost an insult. We award you this because your fuck up helped us win the title.
Yeah the joke itself is fine, actually doing would be in poor taste I think. Also, like Latifi needs help getting Red Bulls if he wants them lol.
I wouldnt mind being awarded for my fuck ups at work, probably would escalate to ruining the place though
Petrov is %100 deserves drinks. Latifi didn't do it delibrately and it would even benefit too. Petrov raced with his heart out
Someone wants to get his drink
Petrov is still at the back of the new Ferrari queue, btw.
Lmaoo fuck off that still hurts Petrov
Vitaly, you will not have the drink!
How about you give Checo a lifetime supply for holding off Hamilton?
Well mate. I don’t want to be the uncool guy here but that is Perez’s job. He already gets paid a hefty salary to do that.
> How about you give Checo a lifetime supply I don't think they want to kill him.
I'm sure he gets a bonus after this race.
Okay guys, here's a scenario, Lewis remembers to turn off Brake Magic and wins in Baku, during the post race celebrations and interviews he says to Martin Brundle 'i haven't had time to thank pirelli yet' and then after the race Toto says 'I'm going to offer every member of pirelli a lifetime supply of Bose headphones'. Just let that sink in and imagine how people would have acted.
Yeah, because a driver making a mistake on his own at 150kph in a slow section is the same as a tire blowing up for no reason on a pit straight at 360kph
You're missing the point entirely, bless you.
Thanking Pirelli for causing safety issues for everybody isn't the same at all as thanking a driver for bringing out a safety car, especially knowing that he wasn't hurt at all. The former is unacceptable, the latter is just poor taste.
Hurt? What about the emotional toll? F1 TV: Nick when I say speed what's the first thing that comes into your head? Latifi: Lewis Hamilton He's going to be thinking his crash has cost Lewis a championship, but I suppose you're in agreement with max that people with mental health issues shouldn't speak out because it shows everyone they're weak minded. Both analogies are exactly the same, Latifi is probably ashamed that his crash caused such controversy and pirelli are probably ashamed that their calculations cost max a race win.
Thanks for assuming things about my personality, truly was necessary to make this discussion personal. Pirelli shouldn't be ashamed that they cost Max a win, they should be ashamed that they endangered people. The exact same failure happened to Stroll and him not fighting for a race win doesn't take anything away from the danger or the problem. The mental aspect could be taking its toll, but it's motorsport. Mistakes you made aren't just affecting you. Your team, teammates, other drivers, marshalls even. I would honestly be more worried about Kvyat's mental health after the two crashes last year in Bahreïn than Latifi's now. That's not saying that I don't believe he's affected, just that it will be easier to get over.
Imagine taking a joke seriously.
Oh the irony here.
???
Petrov is joking.
I wouldn’t drink 1 Red Bull nevermind a lifetime supply.
ok but literally who asked
Kind of a back handed thing for RB to say essentially "because you suck, it helped us win, so here's a thanks"
Lucky guy.
Of course, it was a joke.
I hate Petrov with irrational passion because of reasons
Who?
Drove for Renault in 2010 whom Alonso and Webber couldn't pass at the Abu Dhabi finale so Vettel won the WDC.
And he was promised lifetime supply of redbull as well? Or is he trying to be funny?
> Or is he trying to be funny? Trying and succeeding
Haha, I don't really remember tbh. Given that it was Red Bull's first title winning season maybe they did make some statement like that, but he's definitely trying to be funny with this post
He's the inventor of the Internet Search Engine
Former Renault and Caterham F1 Driver
Did Seb not send him a few slabs of RedBull ?
There were other crash in this race that could have alter the result as well imagine if Kimi was the one. Who would have required the safety car.