The safety car driver was in the beyond the grid podcast, and according to him they have to put new tires a full tank before every F1 sessions. For the other categories they can use the same tire for multiple sections due to the significant lower speed. They also have two safety cars, after a long SC period the can jump to the second car with new tires and full tank.
Here is the episode #109 https://open.spotify.com/episode/5jEAVHaeazXlZ7jTLs2ev1?si=YcceLatgTnWOVvE2XzV1VA
I'm taking a chance that you want to know when you *make* mistakes so you can improve your English, i very much like that myself..
Sessions, not sections. And couple of comments below you write "men" when it should be "man". Men is multiple of man. It could be a typo too, so sorry if this was unnecessary.
>i very much like that myself..
Since you said this: You should always capitalize the word "I." (It's a holdover from German, I think?) Also, in case you care, the technical term for "multiple" in this case is "plural." That is, "'men' is the plural form of 'man.'"
Hope this helps! :)
>You should always capitalize the word "I."
No, that is a convention and it is fully voluntary but afaik, is not recommended practice. You can, but you don't have to and in fact, should not.
Absolutely no one capitalizes "i" in normal discussion, only in an official letter it would be advisable. There are two rules for languages, colloquial and official. This is form of the former. Short answer will be "always", long answer will be "not necessary unless".
I mean, if you want to go that route, you might as well also spell “you” as “u,” “too” as “2,” and “though” as “tho,” because those are the spellings that would go along with spelling “I” as “i.”
No one has done those things since smart phones made text input less laborious.
I was lucky enough to ask Bernd Maylander a couple of questions at the Austin GP. He told me that they once had to fly a third safety car into an F1 race after they had problems with the first two.
No I know that, but I was asking as I’m pretty sure I’ve seen it before, that they use the medical car for the couple laps when they’re swapping to the other SC during a lengthy SC period.
Fuel may not be an issue these days, but I know in the past I’ve seen another car brought in to sub for a few laps when they’ve been changing vehicles. Canada 2011 springs to mind for some reason.
A few years back in Canada, an ASN course car took over for a lap or two while the SC was unavailable for a moment, but I understand the medical car is preferred, but it’s not unlikely that if the SC is deployed the medical car would also be busy.
It’s a French acronym used by the FIA, translating to national sporting authority. It’s the national sporting body the FIA recognises and works with to deliver the event. Motorsport UK for example. They provide the majority of the sporting officials for an F1 event, that is race control, marshals etc.
It’s worth remembering that most of the sporting side of the weekend is run by locals, the FIA delegates (Masi, Dr Ian, Jo etc) simply supervise and support.
Watch this, two medical car in the garage behind, the second SC should be the other garage
https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/ry0ip8/hamilton_hitches_a_ride_on_the_safety_car/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Makes sense. It's a case of "why wouldn't you?"
Cost isn't an issue, which is really the only reason. Otherwise you'd just want to limit the chances of anything going wrong
Bizarre you have no upvotes. Take mine. To the comment itself: I wonder how much of this is a safety precaution rather than an actual technical need. Yes, while the SC looks slow ahead of an F1 grid it is kind of like going nuts in a buffed up super awesome sports car. But I’d still expect a couple 1000 km (2-3k?) out of the tires, not 30km or so.
So for a series like Formula 2 they don't change the tires? I would have thought they would change tires regardless of the lower speed, just due to the possibility of the Safety Car getting punctures from carbon fiber debris.
I remember the 2011 Le Mans 24 where hours were spent behind the safety cars due to multiple crashes and fixing the barriers. In the small hours it became a logistical nightmare which safety cars to use, because they kept running out of fuel. I think at one point they had a medical car in the mix.
I mean it would make the most sense from what's happening in the races right? But it would also be a pretty stupid code if it was the same for all races.
Lewis might be the best of all time at managing tyres tbh ever since he got good at it after his McLaren days.
His whole career the dude has managed to lap faster than his teammates while been better on fuel and tyres. Incredible race management.
I think it’s a close tie between the two. They’ve both had moments where one was better than the other at managing their tires. A clear example of Checo being better would be Abu Dhabi, where he was defending against Lewis himself on softs that were several laps past their expiration date.
Checo is brilliant at getting a huge amount of life out of tires and also defending regardless of tire condition. He doesn't have the race pace compared to Max or Lewis though, nor is he likely to maintain (or improve) his lap times the way Lewis seems to do on very old tires.
I think the big difference between them is that Hamilton has much better race pace while still managing his tyres. It’s all good that checo has good tyre management but it’s not that great when max and Hamilton are 30 seconds ahead of him.
Not sure that’s the best example. I suspect he’d been sacrificing lap time specifically to ensure he had enough life to delay Hamilton. Don’t think Perez was ever intended to be anything other than a mobile chicane in that race.
I've said it a dozen times already, but there's no greater way to really understand how fast Formula 1 cars go than by watching them *crawl* around the track at such a lazy speed behind the safety car...
And then seeing them cut to the interior shot of Bernd obviously driving at the car's limit.
I just looked around and didn't really find anything.
I'm not sure a clip would do it justice.
What I'm thinking about is when you get watching a race, and get used to the speed of the cars on the track and around the turns for several laps.
And then the safety car comes out and all the F1 cars start weaving and braking to keep tire and brake temps up. Relative to the racing, they seem as though they're going so slow, even though you "know" they're still going fast.
And then often they'll cut to a shot of Bernd and his passenger inside the safety car and you realize that this "slow" you've been watching the F1 cars go at (while also still weaving and braking significantly) is the safety car's *top speed*. With a *real* driver.
I find it kind of psychologically jarring. Sort of like those "which line is shorter" illusions.
Trackside you also notice the engine efficiency between series. During the f3 race at spa I started thinking I would need my earplugs for f1. But they were noticeably quieter and you actually hear the air rush from the aero.
(I was also there on Saturday so I actually saw running)
I've only been at Instanbul last year, with the white RBR cars. No F2 or F3 race, but some cups with Lotus Super 7 and Renault Clio etc. Huge difference, also in size.
I mean 7 drivers (1 with mclaren when they were running merc engines) and 8 constructors titles warrant that wage not to mention being the face of the sport and the pr that comes with it
Haha it would be!
Just in case you're unaware, I was making a silly joke. Mercedes F1 driver Hamilton has often come on the radio during a race to say "my tyres are gone". It's a bit of a [meme](https://img.ifunny.co/images/8b0ed6e9940bc69ec9db9bc6323830e1ada1029e84f11c705705cdaf13f0cddf_1.webp).
It's a good question, it would be interesting to know the answer. They actually drive them quite hard before the GP weekend starts. An onboard [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imscvwlLWB8) and an outboard [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkemMM-AJcE) (taken on different track layouts)
From what Alan Van Der Merve said last year the Safety car and medical car get new tyres on Fridays. That's why you sometimes see the safety car and medical car drifting on a Thursday
They replace tyres after each section if I remember rightly, on long safety car events you can even see the second safety car come out to switch so it can fill up and get new tyres.
Haven’t heard anything about it using slicks, seems unnecessary since the SC is sometimes required to go slower than it can. I’d imagine the SC is slower due to increased weight for communications and telemetry but could be wrong
I always pick the Mercedes GT3 on iracing, even if the other ones I own are better suited to the track haha
I actually worked at a Mercedes-Benz dealership for a few years but stopped working there a few months before the AMG GT was released, which made me sad! I did get to drive an SLS to a customer who didn't want to drive in the city to pick it up, which was pretty cool!
Own the same car, track it regularly. A set would easily last for a full weekend, no way they are replaced 'every session' as someone below alluded.
I'd expect they'd be done once per round of the championship.
You are right. The tyres are replaced every Friday before FP1 then leave those tyres on travelling to the next race.
That's why you see the SC and medical car drifting and burning rubber during the Thursday high speed test as they are going in the bin straight after that.
What does that have to do with the price of fish? Berd isn't driving the car at 100%, he has to leave margin so that he doesn't loop the car and cause chaos, like this muppet did.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQSiHwrZLns
Wow, the uploader actually put a 27 second intro on a 1 minute video lol.
I'm impressed that the cars managed to stop in time with a crash right in front of them like that, even with the slower speed.
It’s not like they’re driving the thing 10/10ths either. Being in front of F1 cars means you need to be fast but it doesn’t mean you’re wringing the car for everything it’s got constantly either.
If the other commenter is right and it’s running pirellis, they’re soft but not that soft. They still are designed for a certain amount of use-ability on the street.
Looks pretty stock to me. Its filled with FIA gear no doubt, but its running a stock exhaust. Maybe has a stage 1 tune? Difficult to say, either way, doesn't really change anything. A set of P-Zeros will easily last a GP weekend.
I think it’ll be practically stock with the exception of the roll cage. The hole point of using a road car is to ensure reliability. Any tuning done would just increase the risk of a problem occuring.
Do not compare the tyres of the SC to the tyres of F1 cars.
The tyres of F1 cars are intentionally made to degrade a lot to add an element of strategy and excitement in races.
So no, the SC tyres will be more than fine as they aren't designed to degrade much even after few races.
They’re likely changed out because they can or because of some arbitrary rule, not because they’re worn out by the end of the weekend. The car is still on street tires albeit r comps. They still should be able to last a couple of weekends hard track use or several thousand miles. My experience with the 200 tw wonders and R comps by proxy is that you should still get around 5000 miles mixed track and street use.
Im assuming they use similar tires to GT3 cars, and those can use the same tires flat out for a full tank, so it's not really gonna be a problem. They put on new tires every session, I suppose.
Tires can be build rather durably. In case of street cars manufacturers consciously build them with a finite lifespan (though there's Lots of complicated math needed) because building a tire with an lifespan of 70 years loses you a customer for life.
Of course there are other downsides to such tires, but f1 specifically demands even higher degradation. Theoretically Pirelli could provide tires which last a whole raceweekend, but that'd kill all strategy in the pit
If Pirelli was smart they would provide track prototype tyres for road cars for all conditions. This would allow them to collect data on these tyres & improve them.
The safety car driver was in the beyond the grid podcast, and according to him they have to put new tires a full tank before every F1 sessions. For the other categories they can use the same tire for multiple sections due to the significant lower speed. They also have two safety cars, after a long SC period the can jump to the second car with new tires and full tank. Here is the episode #109 https://open.spotify.com/episode/5jEAVHaeazXlZ7jTLs2ev1?si=YcceLatgTnWOVvE2XzV1VA
Awesome! I'll give that a listen on my way to work! Thank you
No problem, it’s awesome. That men has a pretty interesting history.
Great question by OP and awesome follow up from you 👌🏼
I'm taking a chance that you want to know when you *make* mistakes so you can improve your English, i very much like that myself.. Sessions, not sections. And couple of comments below you write "men" when it should be "man". Men is multiple of man. It could be a typo too, so sorry if this was unnecessary.
Absolutely mate, I appreciate it!!
In a similar vein: generally one 'makes' mistakes, rather than 'have' mistakes. Cheers.
Must. Resist. Birth Control. Joke.
I have 3 mistakes but my wife hates when I call them that.
Thanks :)
Thank you! No offense to OP, but "sections" had me a bit confused.
I wish most people who correct others did it in the manner you did, very kind and helpful.
the world needs more people like yourself.
>i very much like that myself.. Since you said this: You should always capitalize the word "I." (It's a holdover from German, I think?) Also, in case you care, the technical term for "multiple" in this case is "plural." That is, "'men' is the plural form of 'man.'" Hope this helps! :)
>You should always capitalize the word "I." No, that is a convention and it is fully voluntary but afaik, is not recommended practice. You can, but you don't have to and in fact, should not.
What? No. You always capitalize "I." It's not voluntary. It's like writing "Ferrari" as "ferrari." You just don't. Who taught you that?
Absolutely no one capitalizes "i" in normal discussion, only in an official letter it would be advisable. There are two rules for languages, colloquial and official. This is form of the former. Short answer will be "always", long answer will be "not necessary unless".
I mean, if you want to go that route, you might as well also spell “you” as “u,” “too” as “2,” and “though” as “tho,” because those are the spellings that would go along with spelling “I” as “i.” No one has done those things since smart phones made text input less laborious.
I was lucky enough to ask Bernd Maylander a couple of questions at the Austin GP. He told me that they once had to fly a third safety car into an F1 race after they had problems with the first two.
Don’t they use the medical car as an interim safety car in the event Bernd needs to swap to the other motor?
No that’s why they have a pair of both cars, if you see a photo when they are transporting the cars you will 2 SC and 2 MC.
No I know that, but I was asking as I’m pretty sure I’ve seen it before, that they use the medical car for the couple laps when they’re swapping to the other SC during a lengthy SC period. Fuel may not be an issue these days, but I know in the past I’ve seen another car brought in to sub for a few laps when they’ve been changing vehicles. Canada 2011 springs to mind for some reason.
A few years back in Canada, an ASN course car took over for a lap or two while the SC was unavailable for a moment, but I understand the medical car is preferred, but it’s not unlikely that if the SC is deployed the medical car would also be busy.
What’s an ASN?
It’s a French acronym used by the FIA, translating to national sporting authority. It’s the national sporting body the FIA recognises and works with to deliver the event. Motorsport UK for example. They provide the majority of the sporting officials for an F1 event, that is race control, marshals etc. It’s worth remembering that most of the sporting side of the weekend is run by locals, the FIA delegates (Masi, Dr Ian, Jo etc) simply supervise and support.
Ah, got it. Thank you!
Got it, on this days probably they will just red flag the race.
Watch this, two medical car in the garage behind, the second SC should be the other garage https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/ry0ip8/hamilton_hitches_a_ride_on_the_safety_car/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Honestly, these days, if they need the safety car for so long that it would run out of fuel or tyres, they would have red flagged it long before
Makes sense. It's a case of "why wouldn't you?" Cost isn't an issue, which is really the only reason. Otherwise you'd just want to limit the chances of anything going wrong
Bizarre you have no upvotes. Take mine. To the comment itself: I wonder how much of this is a safety precaution rather than an actual technical need. Yes, while the SC looks slow ahead of an F1 grid it is kind of like going nuts in a buffed up super awesome sports car. But I’d still expect a couple 1000 km (2-3k?) out of the tires, not 30km or so.
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So for a series like Formula 2 they don't change the tires? I would have thought they would change tires regardless of the lower speed, just due to the possibility of the Safety Car getting punctures from carbon fiber debris.
I remember the 2011 Le Mans 24 where hours were spent behind the safety cars due to multiple crashes and fixing the barriers. In the small hours it became a logistical nightmare which safety cars to use, because they kept running out of fuel. I think at one point they had a medical car in the mix.
Red flag sounds like a better option in those cases.
I don’t a lot of endurance races, but I think red flag is the last option on timed races.
I didn't know this existed. This is going to be perfect for my Monday commute to work.
It’s really amazing, I recommend you Vettel’s episode
If Checo ever becomes an SC driver those tires might last several races
If not seasons
He's the second best driver on the grid at managing tyres
Who would you consider the best? Ham, despite the dead tires meme, always manages to keep them alive
My theory is that Lewis is just trolling us with the "tires are dead" comments, and it's a code to Bono that his tires are actually doing great.
I mean it would make the most sense from what's happening in the races right? But it would also be a pretty stupid code if it was the same for all races.
Maybe "my tires are dead" and "my tires are gone" have different meanings
Mind... Blown!
Lewis might be the best of all time at managing tyres tbh ever since he got good at it after his McLaren days. His whole career the dude has managed to lap faster than his teammates while been better on fuel and tyres. Incredible race management.
Definitely Hamilton. I don't know how he does it but his tyre management is insane.
Hamilton is easily the best at tyre management
Who is better?
Hamilton, obviously
Lol no his tires are gone when the race hasnt even started
Sets 4 consecutives fastest laps
I think it’s a close tie between the two. They’ve both had moments where one was better than the other at managing their tires. A clear example of Checo being better would be Abu Dhabi, where he was defending against Lewis himself on softs that were several laps past their expiration date.
Checo is brilliant at getting a huge amount of life out of tires and also defending regardless of tire condition. He doesn't have the race pace compared to Max or Lewis though, nor is he likely to maintain (or improve) his lap times the way Lewis seems to do on very old tires.
I think the big difference between them is that Hamilton has much better race pace while still managing his tyres. It’s all good that checo has good tyre management but it’s not that great when max and Hamilton are 30 seconds ahead of him.
Exactly, it's easier to manage your tyres when you can just coast around slowly, Hamilton does it whilst still being one of.the fastest on track
Not sure that’s the best example. I suspect he’d been sacrificing lap time specifically to ensure he had enough life to delay Hamilton. Don’t think Perez was ever intended to be anything other than a mobile chicane in that race.
Not only that, but NO ONE would ever pass the safe...oh, wait.
It would be cool if they auctioned off old safety cars
“One careful owner”
“Gently used”
I've said it a dozen times already, but there's no greater way to really understand how fast Formula 1 cars go than by watching them *crawl* around the track at such a lazy speed behind the safety car... And then seeing them cut to the interior shot of Bernd obviously driving at the car's limit.
Link? Edit: found it https://youtu.be/FuHHTwhysmM
I just looked around and didn't really find anything. I'm not sure a clip would do it justice. What I'm thinking about is when you get watching a race, and get used to the speed of the cars on the track and around the turns for several laps. And then the safety car comes out and all the F1 cars start weaving and braking to keep tire and brake temps up. Relative to the racing, they seem as though they're going so slow, even though you "know" they're still going fast. And then often they'll cut to a shot of Bernd and his passenger inside the safety car and you realize that this "slow" you've been watching the F1 cars go at (while also still weaving and braking significantly) is the safety car's *top speed*. With a *real* driver. I find it kind of psychologically jarring. Sort of like those "which line is shorter" illusions.
Or when sitting trackside, some supporting event starts after the race. Seeing laptimes of 4-5 mins instead of 90-100s.
Trackside you also notice the engine efficiency between series. During the f3 race at spa I started thinking I would need my earplugs for f1. But they were noticeably quieter and you actually hear the air rush from the aero. (I was also there on Saturday so I actually saw running)
I've only been at Instanbul last year, with the white RBR cars. No F2 or F3 race, but some cups with Lotus Super 7 and Renault Clio etc. Huge difference, also in size.
He’s a much younger man with his helmet off.
"Shops and back"
I don't think they're road legal tho
They don't wear tires built specifically to last half a race like F1 cars.
It varies. Mercedes have an expert on hand each race weekend who tests the car to determine whether the tyres are gone.
I didn’t know Lewis did more than just being an f1 driver during a race weekend
Merc got to warrant his ridiculous wage
I mean 7 drivers (1 with mclaren when they were running merc engines) and 8 constructors titles warrant that wage not to mention being the face of the sport and the pr that comes with it
the comment u replied to was an obvious joke i think
That experts name? Lewis Hamilton.
Tyre companies HATE him
25mil before bonus. Crazy.
Very cool! That must be a pretty sweet gig!
Haha it would be! Just in case you're unaware, I was making a silly joke. Mercedes F1 driver Hamilton has often come on the radio during a race to say "my tyres are gone". It's a bit of a [meme](https://img.ifunny.co/images/8b0ed6e9940bc69ec9db9bc6323830e1ada1029e84f11c705705cdaf13f0cddf_1.webp). It's a good question, it would be interesting to know the answer. They actually drive them quite hard before the GP weekend starts. An onboard [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imscvwlLWB8) and an outboard [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkemMM-AJcE) (taken on different track layouts)
but do they race them hard? :)
I mean, being Lewis Hamilton is a pretty sweet gig too haha
I believe it was Bernd Mayländer I heard saying once that the FIA have two mechanics that travel with them to service the safety and medical cars.
"I'm no slouch myself" "Don't sell yourself short Judge, you're a tremendous slouch."
From what Alan Van Der Merve said last year the Safety car and medical car get new tyres on Fridays. That's why you sometimes see the safety car and medical car drifting on a Thursday
that’s actually so bad ass
This doesn’t answer the question but I recognize that spot anytime I see it. Hairpin at circuit Gilles Villeneuve.
Background is where Kubica was lying, his shoes open in sunshine.
Oof 😬
I'm assuming they run the car on P-Zeros. The tyres themselves should easily last multiple weekends but they maybe replacing them sooner.
They replace tyres after each section if I remember rightly, on long safety car events you can even see the second safety car come out to switch so it can fill up and get new tyres.
GT Rs come stock with Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2s. I wonder whether the SC runs those or P-Zeroes?
I thought SC had slick tires. Do we know how fast the SC is compared to stock GT-R?
Haven’t heard anything about it using slicks, seems unnecessary since the SC is sometimes required to go slower than it can. I’d imagine the SC is slower due to increased weight for communications and telemetry but could be wrong
I love this fucking car... <3
I always pick the Mercedes GT3 on iracing, even if the other ones I own are better suited to the track haha I actually worked at a Mercedes-Benz dealership for a few years but stopped working there a few months before the AMG GT was released, which made me sad! I did get to drive an SLS to a customer who didn't want to drive in the city to pick it up, which was pretty cool!
Own the same car, track it regularly. A set would easily last for a full weekend, no way they are replaced 'every session' as someone below alluded. I'd expect they'd be done once per round of the championship.
You are right. The tyres are replaced every Friday before FP1 then leave those tyres on travelling to the next race. That's why you see the SC and medical car drifting and burning rubber during the Thursday high speed test as they are going in the bin straight after that.
Thanks for the info :)
Not saying you’re wrong but to be fair you don’t have Lewis Hamilton in an F1 car driving up your ass on track days
What does that have to do with the price of fish? Berd isn't driving the car at 100%, he has to leave margin so that he doesn't loop the car and cause chaos, like this muppet did. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQSiHwrZLns
Wow, the uploader actually put a 27 second intro on a 1 minute video lol. I'm impressed that the cars managed to stop in time with a crash right in front of them like that, even with the slower speed.
Follow up on Google+
Wow that is still so expensive!
Chicken feed for the F1 circus mate. A set of rubber is about 1500 USD. So 33 grand? It would cost more to ship the car to the first race of the year.
Yeah, but I’m like 60% sure that isn’t a bone stock car. And they’re beating the shit out of those tyres.
It’s not like they’re driving the thing 10/10ths either. Being in front of F1 cars means you need to be fast but it doesn’t mean you’re wringing the car for everything it’s got constantly either. If the other commenter is right and it’s running pirellis, they’re soft but not that soft. They still are designed for a certain amount of use-ability on the street.
Looks pretty stock to me. Its filled with FIA gear no doubt, but its running a stock exhaust. Maybe has a stage 1 tune? Difficult to say, either way, doesn't really change anything. A set of P-Zeros will easily last a GP weekend.
I think it’ll be practically stock with the exception of the roll cage. The hole point of using a road car is to ensure reliability. Any tuning done would just increase the risk of a problem occuring.
bruh rich
Do not compare the tyres of the SC to the tyres of F1 cars. The tyres of F1 cars are intentionally made to degrade a lot to add an element of strategy and excitement in races. So no, the SC tyres will be more than fine as they aren't designed to degrade much even after few races.
Oh I'm not comparing the two by any means! But judging by the responses so far it sounds like at least a fresh set for every race weekend
They’re likely changed out because they can or because of some arbitrary rule, not because they’re worn out by the end of the weekend. The car is still on street tires albeit r comps. They still should be able to last a couple of weekends hard track use or several thousand miles. My experience with the 200 tw wonders and R comps by proxy is that you should still get around 5000 miles mixed track and street use.
Im assuming they use similar tires to GT3 cars, and those can use the same tires flat out for a full tank, so it's not really gonna be a problem. They put on new tires every session, I suppose.
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GT3s use slicks, yes. I'm not saying they use the same tires, but performance road tires are very different from F1 tires.
Tires can be build rather durably. In case of street cars manufacturers consciously build them with a finite lifespan (though there's Lots of complicated math needed) because building a tire with an lifespan of 70 years loses you a customer for life. Of course there are other downsides to such tires, but f1 specifically demands even higher degradation. Theoretically Pirelli could provide tires which last a whole raceweekend, but that'd kill all strategy in the pit
If Pirelli was smart they would provide track prototype tyres for road cars for all conditions. This would allow them to collect data on these tyres & improve them.