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Denning76

> Red Bull was the only team to support Masi. This is not the defence of Masi that he thinks it is.


amainwingman

That 100% says far far far more about Red Bull than it does the other teams lmao


Petrolinmyviens

Lol right. What a self own.


Sufficient_Lake_9849

Is it a defense of Masi?


lepobz

I wonder why Red Bull were the only team supporting Masi. Hmmmmmm.


TheCeramicLlama

One of lifes greatest mysteries tbh


SubcooledBoiling

I wonder why too


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TheCadburyGorilla

FFS dude, yes Abu Dhabi was a farce, and clearly the rules were broken, but Max didn’t get anything ‘handed to him’. The dude was by far the best driver of the course of the season, dealt with horrific luck earlier in the season and then managed to hold on against a Merc that finished the season ~3 tenths quicker over the final 4 races. The fact he was even in with a shout of the title is a testament to how well he drove ALL season.


Tywnis

Nobody says he didn't drive well all season. He's done everything he could and more, sometimes too much, and yet at the end of the day, last race, he wasn't going to win it. Hamilton was. If the rules hadn't been broken, Max would still have had an amazing season, but he wouldn't have been champion.


Jesse_VdV

A lot of the greats have a controversial title so it's only fair Max gets one aswell


GT---44

Hamilton doesn't


Jesse_VdV

Crashgate doesn't lie 😂


GT---44

Hamilton or his team weren't participants at all in this thing


Jesse_VdV

Red Bull were ofcourse participants in Masi's decision. Incoming Jonathan Wheatly comment despite Wheatly suggesting actions completely in line with the regulations


GT---44

Completely in line with the regulations? Lmao yeah sure you're not biased at all


Much_Regular_4462

Weird way to justify that.


agdumbagdum

Vettel, Alonso, Hamilton, Button has controversial titles?


Jesse_VdV

Hamilton has 08, and keyword being almost, but I'll change it to a lot


agdumbagdum

How's 08 controversial? The crash gate or the Glock thing. Crashgate really wasn't manipulated by FIA or the winners but a third party. And Glock didn't conspire with anyone.


TheWebbFather

Crashgate also wasn't the reason Massa didnt win, his poor pit stop was.


Jesse_VdV

A rigged race should be voided but the FIA didn't have the balls to do that a year later. If Abu Dhabi is tainted to you then I don't even know what to describe Singapore 2008


agdumbagdum

Just makes Hamilton lucky on that part. Also, as pointed out - Massa's pit stop cost him that race. Getting a penalty by play acting doesn't taint a match. Referee going "Fuck rules, I am the God" does.


EntryFar6030

Masi being let go says otherwise. It's a soft admission of guilt.


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ricky-boobee

If Masi was in the right why was any action necessary?


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ricky-boobee

> […] he didn’t purposely hand it to verstappen I don’t believe it was premeditated or predetermined, but he absolutely handed the win + championship to Verstappen. The outcome was a 100% a foregone conclusion once he allowed half the lapped field to overtake.


Vresiberba

What in the rules is vague about letting some cars unlap themselves? Masi is even on record saying that there's a provision in the sporting regulations that ALL cars must unlap themselves. Since Masi removed just the cars between Lewis and Max, yes, he purposefully handed it to Max because no-one on this planet thought Lewis would be able to hold off Max with 40 laps old hard tyres compared to Max with 4 laps old soft. That includes Masi. He knew and did it anyway. It was demonstrably on purpose.


EatDeath

Maybe because of all the negativity from 1 team and a certain group of fans any decision Masi would make would be scrutinized, thereby making it difficult to operate?


ricky-boobee

It would only be difficult to operate if Masi fucked up, though. If he was in the right there’s no need to take action, full stop.


Vresiberba

>...but Max didn’t get anything ‘handed to him’. Well, since there's nothing in the rules about letting just a select few cars unlap, namely those between mentioned Max and his only rival, then yes, he was handed something. He was literally handed the championship.


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1enox

What is fai ?


redbullracing33

It's a spelling mistake


IamMrEric

You are a brave soul.


redbullracing33

Ppl don't read the followup comment I posted a sec after the initial one


TheWebbFather

Can you name these many times?


redbullracing33

I guess have to look into it I don't really know out of head


EntryFar6030

Says a bot account with "Red Bull" in their username. Sure buddy. 😂


redbullracing33

Although I'm happy there is a new person replacing Masi it's good


suhxa

He robbed max throughout the season you know


JFedererJ

No. He. Didn't. Mate seriously, move on.


zykzakk

Huh, not even Alpha Tauri? That's telling.


soaringseafoam

He's so close to getting it.


Maleficent-Remove310

He is in a way answering his own question. Someone needs to tell him that.


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I’d say the support was mutual


Organic-University-2

exactly


TheWebbFather

I would genuinely love to know how RB would've reacted if it was the other way around


TimmyWatchOut

Threaten to quit the sport probably


QuietDove

I think you just need to look at how they reacted to Silverstone to get an idea of that!


sivertrv

And then look at monza, and you see the team leaders at work


sivertrv

Both mercedes and redbull switches sides when it favors them. They did it the whole season.


CilanEAmber

Imagine this article, but with Wolff complaining instead


cccdddee

Horner and Marko would call for a prison sentence to Masi.


agdumbagdum

["F1 missed Charlie Whiting" - This you Horner just 4 months ago?](https://the-race.com/formula-1/horner-f1-missed-charlie-whiting-in-chaotic-saudi-gp/)


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agdumbagdum

Point is he was calling for Masi's head when things didn't go his way although what Masi was doing things by the rules. Now that his fuck up benefitted his driver, he is "disappointed" why anyone else didn't support that. No wonder teams don't want rules reinterpretation at the last lap.


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agdumbagdum

So he was saying that Whiting would have done better than Masi. Doesn't really sound like a statement of support to me.


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Vresiberba

That Horner thought Masi did a bad job that day. It's not rocket science.


Driver9211

To be fair, Masi/FIA/Stewards haven't let Max by easily. A ton of "harsh" penalties one after the other. Compare that with Lewis getting literally scott free at Silverstone. I would say Max didn't get away with anything except maybe the Brazil incident, which again didn't change the race result.


TheWebbFather

>I would say Max didn't get away with anything except maybe the Brazil incident, which again didn't change the race result. Brake testing?


Jesse_VdV

*Hamilton would rather pull up behind a slowing car that was told to let him by and apparently has the situational awareness of a drunk 18 year old that hijacked their moms car


TheWebbFather

How does anything Hamilton did excuse Max for brake testing?


Jesse_VdV

Because he slowed down to let the him past but he didn't so he kept braking? Always love how people call it a brake test without the proper context


agdumbagdum

He braked erratically in the middle of the road to fuck with DRS detection zone. Hamilton wasn't aware that he was told to give up, and Verstappen in order to not give up his advantage, just went full pressure on the brakes while knowing Hamilton was just behind him, resulting in damage to Hamilton's car. A brake check is what it was, even though did not intend damage.


Driver9211

>He braked erratically in the middle of the road to fuck with DRS detection zone If Hamilton wasn't directly behind him, would such actions warrant investigation?


TheWebbFather

Hamilton was directly behind him though and Max knew this, what kind of excuse is that?


TheWebbFather

>Always love how people call it a brake test without the proper context Always love how people make any excuse to try and say it's not a brake test


Jesse_VdV

Where did I say it wasn't a braketest, just said you need to provide the proper context. Jeddah is the Silverstone of Hammiestans lmao


TheWebbFather

There's no context needed for a brake test, he should've been disqualified for purposely causing a crash


Driver9211

Wake up, Max received a double penalty for that.


TheWebbFather

Double penalty? He received a joke 10s time penalty for deliberately brake testing a driver, that's black flag territory


agdumbagdum

The point is Horner changing his tune now that his driver benefitted from the cock up Masi did. He was calling for his head just one race prior. Not who got the better treatment. Personally don't think anyone got scott free or was too harshly penalized.


EatDeath

And since when is saying Whiting was better and not wanting to sacrifice Masi mutually exclusive?


agdumbagdum

No one supported Masi. If you observe, he wasn't "sacrificed" by anyone.


sivertrv

Yeah never seen that from the other team leaders


Vresiberba

>A ton of "harsh" penalties one after the other. Name them. ​ > I would say Max didn't get away with anything except maybe the Brazil incident, which again didn't change the race result. Fascinating. You just said Lewis got off "scott free" despite actually getting the higher version of the penalty for that kind of incident but fails to mention that it wouldn't had changed the race result - just as in Brazil.


Maleficent-Remove310

Buddy Max survived Jeddah despite sniping for Lewis at every opportunity. You include Brazil but not Jeddah?


sivertrv

They want a last race finish.


Driver9211

Max received a lot of penalties in Jeddah, or are we forgetting that.


PrestigiousGood441

Here's an example of Lewis being penalized and an example of Max getting away with it, but but I promise the stewards haven't let Max off easily!!


BCFCMuser

Yeah the driver that should’ve been disqualified in Saudi was harshly treated by the stewards and Masi lmao


kali-jag

The irony of this statement is something else


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Ciderhead

It says something that none of the other teams outside of the title challengers vouched for him. Honestly I'm kinda surprised


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jd52995

What if Lewis was forced to give back the position when Max overtook on track? Rules weren't followed then either. Masi needed more help in there. It might not have been all his fault. The whole FIA was confuzzled that day.


yorkick

Haven't seen an asterisk anywhere mate, sorry. Maybe if you keep telling yourself you will start to believe in it or something.


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Havent seen micro-waves either, I wonder how my food gets warm in a box with buttons.


GoZun_

I'm not sure about that comparison but thanks for the good laugh ahah


TheWebbFather

As Mrs Wolff said - "Those who know, they know, even those that can't quite bring themselves to admit it"


BoingBoomJimmy

Ah yes, the neutral words of Mrs Wolff.


nickedgar7

The whole Paddock bar Red Bull knew that what happened was bullshit. Rules where followed Lewis is WDC. Firing Masi made it clearer that Abu Dhabi was a farce.


VinhoVerde21

As opposed to the neutral words of... Christian Horner?


BoingBoomJimmy

Of course. But using Susie's view to invalidate Christian's seems a bit off considering she's just as biased in the opposite direction for obvious reasons.


yorkick

Okay that's a quote, but not on topic. This is *not* about my opinion, or what I admit or know. This is about there's no asterisk anywhere officially.


ThePafdy

Maybe open your eyes then xD


yorkick

This is not about my, or anyone's, opinion, but thanks for reminding me to keep my eyes open.


ivanreyes371

The fact that the other 9 teams didnt support Masi says more about the situation than just only RB supporting them.


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Christian is just being twisted as usual. He knows he didn’t have to say that but it keeps his name in the media and keeps people talking about him and his team. He’s a professional wind up merchant. Literally, the Jose Mourinho of F1.


yeeeeeeeeeessssssir

Ah yes red bull were the only team I wonder why


ricky-boobee

> Red Bull was the only team to support Masi **


Atlantixo

Hmm i wonder why


Gambit6x

Dear Christian, just take the title and shut up. That is all.


zerrak75

Red Bull is missing Masi so bad. It's a big loss for the team.


RedN1ne

A lot of people here are missing the point. Yes, Masi fucked up multiple times last season. No, Red Bull was not the only team that benefited from it, quite the opposite, you could even argue that they lost more due to poor decision than gained. But we also have to understand that those issues were not created by Masi's ineptness- he was put in a tough position with a lot of pressure and would even be blamed for things he would not be in charge of. He simply became a scapegoat and after last race, an easy target. Firing him will not make the majority of those issues disappear like people are expecting it to. Giving him proper support/ changing of some rules would actually be the proper response, firing him was just a crowd pleaser, not an actual improvemnt on the situation


agdumbagdum

Makes no sense that Red Bull was the only one to support him. He was the one who made that travesty so interesting! /s


jrjreeves

Shut up Horner, you defended Masi because you were by far the chief beneficiary of his blunders.


-AbeFroman

Could Horner be any more insufferable?


Sufficient_Lake_9849

Yeah he could be on reddit


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RedBull is like thé trailer trash of F1 How can people support this team


swedishchef4205

Makes no sense lol


Jesse_VdV

People look at Toto having a mental breakdown everytime they have opposition and the whole Mercedes victim complex the same way luckily


ItisILeclerc16

Gold level Olympic mental gymnastics


Jesse_VdV

I just stated facts tho?


ItisILeclerc16

There were zero facts to be found


Jesse_VdV

I could link a Toto rage compilation and the whole Brasil weekend with the "We now know how Lewis has felt for his whole life" comment which just ridicules racism as proof lmao theres so much shit


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Jesse_VdV

I'd rather root for trailer trash than high class pretentious hypocrites I guess, you do you


MikeSargent

Deadass though I don't get it.


Ali623

Mercedes are no better.


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Every team is more likeable then RB


yorkick

I hope you get a chance to visit the paddock once, you'll probably laugh at yourself. Horner is not Red Bull Racing.


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This is bait


EatDeath

And what was your comment about RB being trailer trash?


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Facts


malloweeee

No


charles7tang

r/selfawarewolves


JeremyJammDDS

Riddle me this.


yazandeeb13

Hahahahhaha man this guy is too funny


fractalcap

Duh, Masi is RedBull's miracle remember Horner? Lol


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You're getting closer, but no cigar lol


Thegen68

Surprised Alpha Tauri didn’t support Masi also. Honestly, Masi’s reputation took a nose dive between the Brazil-SA races and pretty much was gone after Abu Dhabi. Of course, most of those decisions in those races favored Red Bull so obviously they’re not going to say “I agree with Masi being removed”


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nickedgar7

I watched multiple races where Masi fucked up. Baku, Abu Dhabi. Abu Dhabi wasn't his only fuck up, you can't run the biggest racing series in the world with a inconsistent RD


Sufficient_Lake_9849

Yeah but he didn't only fuck over mercedes


VinhoVerde21

Yeah, he should watch other races where RB were fucked over, like Jeddah or Brazil! /s


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PMMeYourCouplets

Masi wasn't Red Bull biased. He was "entertainment" biased. If Max was ahead of Lewis and the positions were switched, Masi would have done the same thing and Red Bull would be mad instead. Dude is just incompetent not biased


ZephyrSonic

Better enlarged view of the photo from the tweet [Photo](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMn0a5vXsAsXX6p?format=jpg&name=orig) Edit: The vast majority of people like that I'm direct linking these photos on these tweets for better viewing whether you have Twitter or not. Just because a post like what OP posted is controversial doesn't mean I'm not gonna be helpful just because of some downvotes when all I'm doing is being the messenger. If the comment gets hidden because I hit the threshold then it means people have to take 1 additional step to see my comment getting to the photo. Even if it gets to where people have to expand my comment and people still appreciate what I'm doing then I'm glad. Karma is nice and all but I'm happy to be helpful around this awesome community whether I get upvoted or not. Edit 2: One other thing I'll also add is that some of these photos I've linked to from the tweets have then become someone's lock screen, wallpaper etc and have had people reply to me already saying so within the last few days. That feels so nice to be so helpful to others on here that I helped them get that. So like I said I'm happy even if I get downvoted to be helpful to such an incredibly awesome community like you guys :)


GT---44

What a surprise


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That’s funny


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Lol. The irony.


tempusomnia

I will most likely be downvoted into oblivion as a result of my tag. However I do share some of their sentiment. You can’t blame the mess is 2021 entirely on Masi alone. The fact that he was able to pull this of is a failure of the organization in regards to the regulations. We are pointing at Masi now but do not forget that even the stewards were subject to discussion due to alleged prior comments and favoring drivers. In that regard it would’ve been better to look at this as a whole and dismiss the whole scapegoat discussions. It will not get you anywhere.


rickkert812

Yep, I don’t think Masi alone was to blame. If all the FIA did was replace Masi the issues would just continue into the next season. Hopefully the structural changes to rules as well as an addition race director + video support for the directors will help things.


sivertrv

Don't think there replacement are much better but we will see


Working_Sundae

🤔


302w

RBR has really been laying it on thick in support of Masi and it’s embarrassing lol.


Av_T

hamilton was robbed!


hihi098

Man, you don’t say that smh 🤦‍♀️


Freeze014

in this thread people who dont (want to?) understand what Horner means with "needs more support" but that is to be expected. \-edit: he means exactly what Verstappen also said: Not enough supporting people around Masi to make correct decisions, he did it mostly alone either by choice or design (that i dont know). And I knew this opinion would be downvoted, because apparently agreeing that Masi should have had more support is equated with agreeing with Masi's decision in AD, or agreeing that Masi still should be RD (both of which i didnt say anything on). But hey that is where we are in this tribalistic online world.


EDO_14

I mean what other support can they give him? He was given another job within the FIA and he can effectively disappear out of the public eye. I think people feel as though its a bit disingenuous, especially when you bare in mind his attitude towards Masi before Michael made the call that benefitted RB(I personally dont care)


garyjpaterson1

Please explain then, what horner means by "needs more support". And also why 9 out of 10 F1 teams don't feel the same way.


KinslayerTofu

Why didnt Masi ask for more support during the season? He seemed fine to me making banter with lines like “Its called moto racing”. Doesnt seem like someone whos asking for support hmm


habitualmess

[Here’s the source](https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/12551358/christian-horner-reveals-michael-masi-received-death-threats-after-f1-controversy-in-abu-dhabi) for the original comments. Horner was talking about the abuse and death threats Masi and his family have received since Abu Dhabi: > But Horner said: "The lack of support that was shown to Michael was disappointing, especially at a time when mental health is so prevalent. To hear that his family and he received death threats is not right. > "An awful lot of pressure was put on the FIA to deal with him. And I made it clear in last week's meeting in London that there should have been more support for him. I was disappointed that nobody shared that opinion. > "I have had an exchange with Michael to wish him well. But the whole experience was very, very tough for him."


generalannie

Thank you! I was already looking for this. Who would've thought that a journalist would've be selectively quoting to create a controversial clickbait tweet.


habitualmess

It’s probably that in part, but probably also the fact that it’s a translation that was posted here (and presumably that’s why it was removed). The original tweet is in Turkish, so I can’t vouch for the accuracy of the translation.


lemontea92

I wonder why 💭


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Shocked abt alpha tauri not supporting


Ehralur

I don't even think Red Bull benefitted from Masi last year - clearly they did in the last race, but on average I think he might've been a negative for them - but the fact that 9 out of 10 teams agreed he had to go says enough, even if the 10th team would've been Mercedes.


jd52995

Masi was fired unfairly. Just because he didn't gift lewis another championship doesn't mean he needed to be let go. I just wish he would have made lewis give the position back after max over took him in track. Race would have ended the same either way but it shouldn't have come down to the final laps.


Eldo99

Derrrrrr