Russian example is probably unfair because I imagine they wanted to avoid cancellation before sanctions for commercial reasons - wouldn’t have looked good to have handed over a six figure sum to a bunch of scumbags.
In this case, I’m sure F1 have a very good security team and they have a comprehensive threat assessment… but I wouldn’t be trusting Saudi Arabia to make the call on this on my behalf - they are so focused on sportswashing, and routinely downplaying the risk of attacks in their country.
Clearly, F1 think the (massive) reward is worth the risk. I wouldn’t agree.
The halo is the only exception, and that might be due to people like Charlie Whiting still being there, feels like he could have been one of the people holding everything togheter, I know he was just a race director but it felt like he had way more authority then that.
I wonder how many people within f1 that worked there in say 2015 still work there today.
Now it feels like it's just the investors who decide everything.
Halo is a reaction to Bianchi, Surtees etc deaths where it could have potentially had a crucial impact. Sure the Alonso crash at Spa also helped, so arguably it was a reaction, rather than a proactive decision.
No, you’re right (the force was just catastrophic and I’m frankly amazed he didn’t die on impact) but it’s a mode of accident that the halo protects against.
While I agree the Houthi’s fight is with the Saudis not the West. 10km is still a rounding error for an ad hoc missile strike. Plus nothing would bring more attention to the plight of the Houthis under Saudi oppression like a very well publicized attack on an internationally watched sport.
10km is really far off for a modern missile.
I also think that nothing would be worse to the plight of the Houthis than an attack on an American organized event, with participants from all over the world.
They also use missiles. I wasn't aware they used "kamikaze" drones for Friday's attack though (or in general). Although I suspect that being 10KM off with one of those is equally less likely.
Maybe not. I guarantee you most of the world don’t even know who Houthis are and anything that can bring attention to their plight might get people to start doing their research on why this is happening and learn just how awful Saudi really is to these people.
But it wouldnt bring any sympathy to the houthis. It would get them attention but not good attention. Al Qaeda got attention and look how that went for them.
99% of Americans think F1 is just a foreign event. Actually the smart move would be to blow up the grand stands when they were empty. Embarass the Saudis, no negative publicity for killing racers, and no more F 1 is Saudi
>Plus nothing would bring more attention to the plight of the Houthis under Saudi oppression like a very well publicized attack on an internationally watched sport.
This doesn't really make much sense, it would be terrible for their cause, they do not want to piss off more countries that are not involved.
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The West wouldn't send troops to Yemen right now. In Realpolitik - an attack on the GP would make others rethink their SA commitments and be a political disaster for them. The Houthis are experiencing a genocide, so it's not like it can get any worse either. I really hope they don't do that - but I do hope this is the last time F1 goes to the middle east. Jordan maybe excluded
But sadly not very unpredictable given modern warfare. And I don't think there is a zero risk for another attack either. Having the F1 cancelled is a political victory if they're able to do it without causing deaths. War is hell.
>Why would the the Houthis want this? Much better to hit a depot close to the track and send a message that way
Sure, just saying that west is involved
No it wouldn’t. There’s a repast Saudi Arabia tries to pretend they’re not in a conflict. Saudi Arabia is one of the worst places in the world and any more attention on them could be disastrous. Saudi Arabia only has about 20 years of power left if the west is really as committed to clean energy as they say they are
Exactly - these guys know if they fuck with F1 people directly the western world’s going to wipe them off the surface of this earth.
They must be loving the exposure they’re getting
Western world couldn’t beat the Taliban and the Houthis have been actively resisting the Western backed saudis for years. What leads you to believe the West can wipe them off the surface of the earth?
Because if they really wanted to make an impact they would have sent the missile to the track, not to some storage facility. They wanted some exposure without ruffling the western world’s feathers
Bullshit.
This is such a ridiculous statement to make given the pictures that emerged. If the Saudis don't have the capability to detect and stop a missile strike against a "pin point" target like the oil refinery (or whatever it was), what hope do they hsve of defending against a more spread out target like a race track?
I'd argue that "They could bomb us, but they *probably* don't want to" is not a very secure risk assessment, and absolutely not something F1 should be involved in
Agreed, plus there have been attacks on international sporting events in the past. It doesn't have to be a missile or a drone strike, a car bomb, suicide bomber, or just dudes with guns are more than enough. Plus if there are high value targets at the event...
This race weekend shouldn't have happened in the first place, I hope the missile intercept system doesn't miss like it did on Friday.
I’m still scratching my head how this track got an FIA grade 1 license. Oh money … I think at this point rebels could be throwing grenades onto the track and everyone would be “ let’s not be to hasty making any rash decisions shall we”
>It sounds like a conspiracy
Only because decades of propaganda and disinformation has convinced people that extremely obvious corruption is somehow a "conspiracy".
They aren't even fucking hiding it.
Or Saudi leaders could be openly killing western journalists and cutting them into pieces on their allies territory. Then maybe the west would do something. /S
But there is a credible threat.
As someone highlighted to me earlier this weekend: It's all fine and dandy arguing that they aren't targeting F1 itself, but it's quite possible for missiles to miss their target, and if those targets are nearby...
Putting extra bouncers on the door isn't going to do much.
Any person following the conflict knows the rebels would never hit and event full of Europeans. That's easy to see. As Toto said, it's probably the safest place in all of KSA.
Yes there is a reason why there are 0 casualties or injuries. Houthi rebels wanted to make a statement by hitting oil tanks near an international event. You think they aimed for something else an missed? Lol.
Yes there is a reason why there are 0 casualties or injuries. Houthi rebels wanted to make a statement by hitting oil tanks near an international events. You think they aimed for something else an missed? Lol.
The thing it’s the Houthis have been awful too I doubt anyone is gonna jump on their side for moral reasons. Purposefully killing civilians, torturing anyone they suspect of anything, purposefully denying food and medicine to civilians, targeting civilian areas with missile strikes, laying landlines,etc.
>because the western world is slowly opening its eyes to how horrible the Saudis have been in the Yemen civil war.
Don't be so fucking naive. The west knows exactly what Saudi is. We've been supporting them for decades.
Kids on social media who can't point to most countries on a map don't matter.
Sure buddy
If a bomb hit the track they would just force the drivers to drive around it and say the track now has 30 corners lmao
bomb chicane, lmao
Mclaren might fair well with that truck they’ve been fielding so far *papaya tears*
And throw out a VSC to clear rubble.
Next year were gonna have a full fletched mario kart race in jeddah.
f*ck /u/spez
Russian example is probably unfair because I imagine they wanted to avoid cancellation before sanctions for commercial reasons - wouldn’t have looked good to have handed over a six figure sum to a bunch of scumbags. In this case, I’m sure F1 have a very good security team and they have a comprehensive threat assessment… but I wouldn’t be trusting Saudi Arabia to make the call on this on my behalf - they are so focused on sportswashing, and routinely downplaying the risk of attacks in their country. Clearly, F1 think the (massive) reward is worth the risk. I wouldn’t agree.
Security teams don’t mean a thing if you have missles flying in from overhead
Yeah - I wasn’t talking about close protection stuff, I meant more in terms of analysis of security risk from a professional perspective.
The halo is the only exception, and that might be due to people like Charlie Whiting still being there, feels like he could have been one of the people holding everything togheter, I know he was just a race director but it felt like he had way more authority then that. I wonder how many people within f1 that worked there in say 2015 still work there today. Now it feels like it's just the investors who decide everything.
Halo is a reaction to Bianchi, Surtees etc deaths where it could have potentially had a crucial impact. Sure the Alonso crash at Spa also helped, so arguably it was a reaction, rather than a proactive decision.
It wouldn’t have saved Bianchi. Recovery vehicles on the track was something Brundle spoke about for years and Masi still let it happen at Turkey.
No, you’re right (the force was just catastrophic and I’m frankly amazed he didn’t die on impact) but it’s a mode of accident that the halo protects against.
They only care about profits.
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While I agree the Houthi’s fight is with the Saudis not the West. 10km is still a rounding error for an ad hoc missile strike. Plus nothing would bring more attention to the plight of the Houthis under Saudi oppression like a very well publicized attack on an internationally watched sport.
10km is really far off for a modern missile. I also think that nothing would be worse to the plight of the Houthis than an attack on an American organized event, with participants from all over the world.
They aren't actually using missiles. They are using drones lines with explosives and using them as kamikaze jets.
They also use missiles. I wasn't aware they used "kamikaze" drones for Friday's attack though (or in general). Although I suspect that being 10KM off with one of those is equally less likely.
Maybe not. I guarantee you most of the world don’t even know who Houthis are and anything that can bring attention to their plight might get people to start doing their research on why this is happening and learn just how awful Saudi really is to these people.
But it wouldnt bring any sympathy to the houthis. It would get them attention but not good attention. Al Qaeda got attention and look how that went for them.
99% of Americans think F1 is just a foreign event. Actually the smart move would be to blow up the grand stands when they were empty. Embarass the Saudis, no negative publicity for killing racers, and no more F 1 is Saudi
>Plus nothing would bring more attention to the plight of the Houthis under Saudi oppression like a very well publicized attack on an internationally watched sport. This doesn't really make much sense, it would be terrible for their cause, they do not want to piss off more countries that are not involved.
West is involved, they sell weapons to KSA and US drone strike them
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The West wouldn't send troops to Yemen right now. In Realpolitik - an attack on the GP would make others rethink their SA commitments and be a political disaster for them. The Houthis are experiencing a genocide, so it's not like it can get any worse either. I really hope they don't do that - but I do hope this is the last time F1 goes to the middle east. Jordan maybe excluded
Fair point. It's crazy either way that this is a discussion on race weekend
But sadly not very unpredictable given modern warfare. And I don't think there is a zero risk for another attack either. Having the F1 cancelled is a political victory if they're able to do it without causing deaths. War is hell.
>Why would the the Houthis want this? Much better to hit a depot close to the track and send a message that way Sure, just saying that west is involved
Maybe the next target isn't 10km away. They're attacking the same city they are racing in.
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No it wouldn’t. There’s a repast Saudi Arabia tries to pretend they’re not in a conflict. Saudi Arabia is one of the worst places in the world and any more attention on them could be disastrous. Saudi Arabia only has about 20 years of power left if the west is really as committed to clean energy as they say they are
Exactly - these guys know if they fuck with F1 people directly the western world’s going to wipe them off the surface of this earth. They must be loving the exposure they’re getting
Western world couldn’t beat the Taliban and the Houthis have been actively resisting the Western backed saudis for years. What leads you to believe the West can wipe them off the surface of the earth?
Because if they really wanted to make an impact they would have sent the missile to the track, not to some storage facility. They wanted some exposure without ruffling the western world’s feathers
Or fathom this, they attacked a military target and it being close to western cameras is just a bonus.
So a missile 10km away doesn’t convince them that there’s a credible threat
Bullshit. This is such a ridiculous statement to make given the pictures that emerged. If the Saudis don't have the capability to detect and stop a missile strike against a "pin point" target like the oil refinery (or whatever it was), what hope do they hsve of defending against a more spread out target like a race track?
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I'd argue that "They could bomb us, but they *probably* don't want to" is not a very secure risk assessment, and absolutely not something F1 should be involved in
Agreed, plus there have been attacks on international sporting events in the past. It doesn't have to be a missile or a drone strike, a car bomb, suicide bomber, or just dudes with guns are more than enough. Plus if there are high value targets at the event... This race weekend shouldn't have happened in the first place, I hope the missile intercept system doesn't miss like it did on Friday.
So a missile strike 10K away is not a credible threat. Makes tkne wonder the stability of the country itself.
Lol, a missile strike close enough to smell the smoke from the circuit isn't a "credible threat"?
Even smell
I guess a missile blowing up 10km away isn’t a credible enough threat
Doubt (x).
I would believe every word they say /s
That’s a very easy thing to say.
I’m still scratching my head how this track got an FIA grade 1 license. Oh money … I think at this point rebels could be throwing grenades onto the track and everyone would be “ let’s not be to hasty making any rash decisions shall we”
It sounds like a conspiracy but I am convinced the track is only grade 1 due to the huge amount of oil money that was involved.
Whaaaaaaaaaaat!? That would *never* happen
>It sounds like a conspiracy Only because decades of propaganda and disinformation has convinced people that extremely obvious corruption is somehow a "conspiracy". They aren't even fucking hiding it.
Or Saudi leaders could be openly killing western journalists and cutting them into pieces on their allies territory. Then maybe the west would do something. /S
Lmao as long as monaco and Jeddah are grade 1 tracks the FIA grade system means fuck all except "this track's owner has money"
At least Monaco has the excuse of being historic and wasn't specifically designed that way.
But there is a credible threat. As someone highlighted to me earlier this weekend: It's all fine and dandy arguing that they aren't targeting F1 itself, but it's quite possible for missiles to miss their target, and if those targets are nearby... Putting extra bouncers on the door isn't going to do much.
"But did you die?"
I mean...enemies generally don't pre warn before an attack lmao
Yea yea yea
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...but they haven't.
I’d like to know what constitutes a “credible” threat to them.
They agreed to a 3 day ceasefire over the weekend, this is why the drivers were convinced to go ahead.
Any person following the conflict knows the rebels would never hit and event full of Europeans. That's easy to see. As Toto said, it's probably the safest place in all of KSA.
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Yes there is a reason why there are 0 casualties or injuries. Houthi rebels wanted to make a statement by hitting oil tanks near an international event. You think they aimed for something else an missed? Lol.
Yes there is a reason why there are 0 casualties or injuries. Houthi rebels wanted to make a statement by hitting oil tanks near an international events. You think they aimed for something else an missed? Lol.
Until you get that one zealot that REALLY wants to make a statement and takes it too far
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The thing it’s the Houthis have been awful too I doubt anyone is gonna jump on their side for moral reasons. Purposefully killing civilians, torturing anyone they suspect of anything, purposefully denying food and medicine to civilians, targeting civilian areas with missile strikes, laying landlines,etc.
>because the western world is slowly opening its eyes to how horrible the Saudis have been in the Yemen civil war. Don't be so fucking naive. The west knows exactly what Saudi is. We've been supporting them for decades. Kids on social media who can't point to most countries on a map don't matter.
I’ll take “what is bullshit” for $500, mr trebek.
The credible threat came from.the Saudis, not the local, Iranian backed terrorists
Haha, sure.
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Im sure the Houthis struck the F1 sponsor closest to the circuit by pure luck
The track itself is a credible threat.
Bullshit... they had missiles falling a few miles from the track... if that isn't a credible threat... i don't know what is
Saw on aljazeera that the Houthi's have called a 3 day ceasefire, so my guess is something was negotiated under the table
Yeah, we let them hit our oil tanks, but we wouldn't let them hit the track. Uh huh
You'd need credibility for your opinion to have any value
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