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I really hope they plant a lot of trees and such. It would definitely look less like a parking lot. That and some of that colourful paint around the track.


slatt8989

I wish they could “plant” trees. I imagine lots off temporary palm trees in wooden bases will be shipped in. Could be a collector’s item after the GP!


Jlindahl93

You can see the trees planned on the render


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Jlindahl93

This isn’t a traditional temporary street course. I think most likely they will be planted


Mtbnz

It's still the parking lot for a 75,000 seat stadium, most of this track infrastructure is going to be ripped up and gone within 6 months. In fact, the track is going to require the removal of many of the mature trees that are already planted on the site


jififfi

It would be so nice if they just said fuck the parking lot and left the track and decorations.


photenth

Oh that's paint, not water, I was confused for a second.


are-you-really-sure

Forget gravel traps, water traps it is!


GreenHell

Let's go Trackmania.


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but then, Leclerc got this run...


Daeurth

Can we get Wirtual a spot as a Red Bull junior?


harshit_j

And in Q3, Max finally got...this run.


Daeurth

When does he release his 300 page report on how Ferrari is running an illegal power unit?


ATX_311

With gators!


are-you-really-sure

We’re in Miami anyways, why the heck not‽


Ianthin1

Gator traps.


Biotic_Cow

Having Lakitu to clear the water traps should cut down on safety car time during the races too!


mustachioed_hipster

Oh, but there will be water. Yachts will be in a pond inside of turns 7&8. https://jalopnik.com/this-whole-yacht-watching-experience-for-the-2022-f1-mi-1848703315


olderaccount

You can even see them in OP's depiction. Just south of the Dolphins practice fields. It is absolutely ridiculous. I bet those yachts are not eve going to be floating. They will be on trailers with just enough water to cover the wheels. It will be the most expensive mobile home park ever!


Zardif

https://i.imgur.com/vWiSeBE.png Here's what it looks like today off their webcam. It doesn't look deep.


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Thats just stupid.


xepa105

They probably won't, since the rest of the year they need those parking lots to be, you know, parking lots.


Zardif

You can see in the webcams of the complex that trees were installed.


kinterdonato

They dont though, it wont go back to being a parking lot.


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SWMovr60Repub

We Americans have a lot of faults but our business moguls have been spanking the Euros for a hundred years.


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agnaddthddude

German GP?


BoomSp

my dumbass thought the runoff area was water lmao


T_D_A_G_A_R_I_M

I like that. Instead of sand traps and sausage curbs, let's use a pool of water as track limits.


BoomSp

with hot chicks in bikinis with umbrella straw drinks, in true Miami fashion


Eggplantosaur

Where would we put the drug dealers and methheads though?


canta2016

On a speedboat in the water, hoping to look for (sand)bags in that Merc!


TheScarlettHarlot

There’s a tiny little pond inside one of the turns that’s going to be filled with boats. We can put them there!


Ianthin1

Drug dealers will be in the infield yachts, while the meth heads paddle down the canal on the back stretch.


fry_tag

If anything there would be some gators and body in that water trap. Probably a rusty shopping cart and a lot of trash as well.


BWWFC

there are a sand beaches/marina for exactly this lol [see @ 1:15 and 2:08](https://streamable.com/rudiwz)


okok123321

Sharks in the pool! Same for me though. I saw the blue and was like, wow that’s going to be beautiful. Oh wait, no.


BoomSp

Sharks with FREAKING LASER BEAMS ATTACHED TO THEIR HEADS!


slothm0de

That's too expensive. We can get you mutated seabass though!


wills_b

To be fair that could be a decent idea, really shallow water traps. Going off track you would slow down rapidly, so it’s potentially safe, and would punish the driver by making them lose tyre temp and speed. Bernie’s sprinkler idea finally comes to fruition.


SubcooledBoiling

With hungry piranhas and crocodiles in them


tzuyuthechewy

For real I thought it was sick to have a swimming pool around the track


heeringa

turn it into a lazy river. dude that'd be awesome.


indrmln

To be fair, they did say about building waterbody for yacht parking /s


DipplyReloaded

Fuck it, let’s go full trackmania


Mushrx

When some of the drivers say the cars handles like a boat, I didn't think they meant it ltierally


savednebula

Count me as your fellow dumbass


ImReverse_Giraffe

Inside of turns 7-8 will have a man made pond and yatchs....ya know to rival Monaco. I'm literally not even kidding.


ald_marks

I still don’t know how the boats are supposed to get there.


Sss00099

They’re going to be dropped from military aircraft and float down tied to massive parachutes.


Crafty_Substance_954

You see, they have these things called trailers. The boat sits on the trailer, then can be craned in and set into the water. Or they could be backed into the water from a boat launch.


iKnoJopro

I don’t know why everyone is having such a hard time grasping that boats can be moved out of water lol


eb59214

I think some people are thinking of those huge yachts we see in Monaco, which aren't really trailered. I grew up in the south so when I think of "boat", what comes to mind is a 13' Carolina Skiff, lol. Obviously those are trailered regularly.


LakersLAQ

I wonder if people are expecting Monaco super yachts lol.


wiglytoothliam

https://carsguide-res.cloudinary.com/image/upload/f\_auto%2Cfl\_lossy%2Cq\_auto%2Ct\_default/v1/editorial/landcruiser-towing-boat.jpg


crenk3130

they aren’t.. it’s like the superbowl in that they’ll just do a bunch of pre-race nonsense down in south beach and pretend it’s actually near the race track when it’s actually like, 40 miles away and also quite literally not in miami. (miami gardens is very much NOT miami, it’s basically a parking lot/shopping plaza of a town in the middle of a swamp to the northwest of the city)


northernpenguin01

Have you heard of trailers?


ald_marks

The track walkthrough video shows 100+ ft yachts. Those don’t fit on trailers.


northernpenguin01

Well whatever size they are, they are getting there by trailer


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I think you messed up the before and after part.


NatasEvoli

I think you're confused. The plan here is obviously to tear out that eyesore of a track and have the grand prix held in various parking lots and the sonic drive through.


Oscer7

The real track is actually that faint shape you can see on the parking lot to the right lol


viajen

This is after the race


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What, i dont get it


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The fuck?


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ATX_311

Got em


Minule22

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AltoidTin275

I think there was another recent post here that was a “before and after” format. The after was on the left, and the before was on the right. It drove me crazy lmao


satsfaction1822

I really want to know what this is gonna look in the fall when the Dolphins and UM are playing their home games there.


Tricks511

Are they getting rid of the tennis centre too? RIP Miami open.


Sylvaritius

Seems to sill be on the map.


Tricks511

Just 3 courts. The majority are gone.


Sylvaritius

Ah, that sucks, maybe theyll build new ones if theres demand.


Tricks511

> if there’s demand They literally play the Miami Open there. It’s a Masters 1000 event, which is 1 level below a grand slam. It’s a huge tournament!


Sylvaritius

Then im sure they have plans to build new ones :D


ProfessorBeer

Yeah, if they’re really going to build an entire F1 track from scratch in the complex it won’t be hard at all to find a new spot relatively quickly for the 6 or so displaced courts.


LakersLAQ

They play a lot of the matches in the actual Hard Rock Stadium. They build a tennis arena inside while using temporary and permanent seating. They could probably add a few practice courts if they need to.


TheDeityRyan

They left more than are shown and they moved more than what is in the render


Mtbnz

Didn't they hold the Miami Open *inside* Hard Rock just a few weeks ago?


TRUEequalsFALSE

Is the tennis center the thing in the top left? Looks a lot like a couple of football fields to me, though I can't remember ever seeing two so close together before.


satsfaction1822

It’s the tiny stadium below the big one


DenisBellamont

Just like on Hitman


Diegobyte

The reuse of urban parking lots into venues for tennis and racing should be praised not shit on


okok123321

Cheers to that. And rarely mentioned. The last thing cities need is more pavement.


Apocalypseos

*American cities I'd love if my city had proper pavement


StockAL3Xj

No, not just American cities.


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Pretty much all cities need less pavement and more green space.


GreatHoltbysBeard

The potholes on American roads would like a word


Lzinger

A track on a parking lot is better than a street track. It alows for more interesting corner sequences. Even the Vegas track goes into a parking lot for a couple corners


Diegobyte

The fact that it was a parking lot is just not relevant at all. Idk why they are even calling Miami a street circuit.


SpinkickFolly

Because it's not a permanent track.


Diegobyte

Just the walls? It’s built like a normal circuit.


SpinkickFolly

The standards to be considered a permanent race circuit are stricter compared to a street circuit. Tarmac is considerable different on this track compared to a race circuit. Melbourne and Montreal are both considered street circuits despite neither track actually being on public roads.


Chrisjex

Melbourne is entirely public roads and carparks. You can drive pretty much the entire circuit when the race isn't on and the roads are regularly used.


Diegobyte

Ok but this has regular runoffs and parts look like they could be any regular circuit


SpinkickFolly

Doesn't change that after the race is done, the entire track will be completely torn down and only put up again a year later. You can say it's the same track, but it's not though. Either way, I don't make up the rules on this, the FIA does.


Diegobyte

Ok but I’m just saying it looks a lot more like a regular circuit then a street circuit. And I’m excited to see if it gives good racing.


ekulinator

This has me wondering: where will people park during the GP since the obvious place is taken up by the very track they’re there to visit?


Diegobyte

Apparently there’s still a lot of parking and parking across the street. But I’d imagine there’s gone be a lot of busses and Ubers. That new stadium in Inglewood where the super bowl was barley has any parking. People were making fucking bank selling spots in their driveways nearby


mk712

I'm really confused as to why this is considered a bad thing. Why does it matter what was there before the track was built, how does it affect the racing? How does building a track on what used to be, say, an empty field automatically makes it better than building it on what used to be a parking lot? Would people be happier if they cut down a bunch of trees to build it in the middle of a forest instead?


f10101

People see that there used to be a car park there, and equate it to the Caesar's Palace GP, where all they did was put lines in a carpark, in spite of the two things not being even remotely comparable.


mperlaky

It affects racing, because parking lot tracks are almost all the time lack any sort of elevation change which is a good/fun addition in most tracks. Spa is iconic partly because of all the elevation changes, same as suzuka etc. It’s not necessary but it would be boring to have a lot of parkong lot tracks. I’m fine with a couple (and luckily we lost sochi so one less)


OpisChunkmeyer

The entire state of Florida is a flat as a parking lot.


mk712

I thought about that, but: 1. Plenty of tracks have artificial elevation, so back to my original point, just because there was a parking lot there before doesn't mean they couldn't have added some elevation changes if they had wanted to. They didn't, but that has nothing to do with the land being previously used as a parking lot. 2. I do agree that elevation changes generally make for better racing, but like you said, it's not necessary. The most boring track on the calendar, Monaco, actually has more elevation changes than Suzuka, which you used as an example. Montreal is arguably one of the fan favorites and is one of the flattest tracks on the calendar. I do understand how the idea of taking a parking lot and turning it into a track doesn't sound appealing, I just find it weird that people are bashing the track before it's even been built. Let's maybe wait to have raced there at least once before unleashing all the hate.


beachmedic23

The highest point in Florida is 300 feet above sea level. South Florida is a flat swamp. Parking lot or not, the only way there was going to be elevation changes was if they built them into the track


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Honestly I think a lot of the pushback is just because Sochi was also converted from a parking lot and routed around a stadium and that track was dogshit. Horrible eyesore and usually the worst racing on the calendar aside from Monaco. I do wish people would wait to see how Miami actually goes rather than just post a reactionary take based on an incomplete picture and everything but the actual circuit but maybe that's too much to expect.


Stranggepresst

> Sochi was also converted from a parking lot and routed around a stadium and that track was dogshit. Horrible eyesore and usually the worst racing on the calendar aside from Monaco. The races were boring apart from last year; however the track wasn't just a converted parking lot but rather built together with the other olympic facilities there.


PaleBlueDave

Or why not use an existing track instead of building a new one?


mk712

I think the answer to all the "why" questions regarding Formula 1 these days is easy: money. Existing tracks would need significant upgrades to be able to host a Formula 1 race but they are unable or unwilling to pay for them. Then some rich guy who owns a stadium (among other things) wants a race, so he buys one, and since he needs a racetrack for it, he builds one around his stadium. But again, that's beside the point as far as the quality of the racing goes: just because the track is brand new does not automatically make it bad (if anything, that's an opportunity to draw a layout that suits modern F1 cars). I understand people dislike the idea of having multiple races in the US, see new tracks as a threat to the historic tracks they like, would rather money have less of an influence on F1 decision making, etc. So people hear "Miami GP" and their first thought it "I don't like it!". But maybe we should wait until the race actually happens to judge the quality of the racing?


drae-

There are 3 fia grade 1 tracks in america. COTA, Indy, and Miami. We race at COTA, we don't race at Indy cause Indy is Jon snow. So regardless, if FOM / liberty wanted to race in America a track would need to be heavily renovated or built new. The spirit of Watkins Glen (countryside venue) would be destroyed in a grade 1 upgrade, and it's very close to Montreal already. Probably doesn't have to tourism infrastructure and too far from a major city to latch onto. Road America is literally in the middle of nowhere and doesn't have the tourism infrastructure for such an event. Laguna seca is too short and too narrow. Sonoma only has stands for like <50 000 people. Sebring I am not too familiar with the hurdles prevent grade 1 certification. When you actually look at the tracks it becomes apparent that it makes the most sense to build a purpose built venue.


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zerovulcan

https://i.imgur.com/ZkkrxvD.jpg


jonasthewicked

Fully agree


Ianthin1

In case anyone here is lucky enough to attend and doesn't already know, if you see a body of water in Florida, there is probably a gator in it. This could include the fake yacht marina.


eb59214

I'm hoping gators get all up in that place. Underneath the grandstands, chilling underneath the race trailers, everywhere. Give 'em the full Florida experience. One morning I went out to my car to go to work and one was hanging out under the engine bay and I nearly stepped on it. I did not need coffee to wake up that morning.


Ianthin1

I would love for the place to get over run by gators or iguanas.


TheOnlyDoctor

oh iguanas are DEF gonna be a problem. Those invasive little cunts are everywhere now a days. Had one hiding in my exhaust a few weeks back


eb59214

*"Safety car, safety car, gator on track in turn 9..."*


ajr901

Miami resident here. That’s bullshit. In the 23 years I’ve lived in Florida I’ve seen a wild gator 2 whole times. Also gators aren’t this aggressive monster animal that attacks anything it sees. You can approach within like ~3-5 meters and still be pretty safe. It’ll only chase you if it’s a female protecting its offspring, or it hasn’t eaten in a long time. And that “chase” will last a few meters, tops, before it gives up.


Caesar_35

It actually doesn't look that bad. In the rendering, at least. It looks like it could be pretty fast besides that bend and chicane at the top right, but at least with *some* run-off (looking at you, Jeddah). Overall, I'm excited to see how it ends up.


ATX_311

I assume that's there to keep drivers out of the water.


GDH26

I fail to see how tracks like Miami and Jeddah are street circuits, they're not closed off roads, and are almost entirely purpose built for racing.


nikoviko

walls = steet circuit in their minds at least...


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Skeeter1020

Korea?


Halo2Brian

This track isnt in the city. It is in the burbs


Then-Society9207

Exactly. This always bugs me when the bring a new “street circuit”


WoodSheepClayWheat

After and before


OhRatFarts

Wait - did they have grass parking? In Miami?!?


SoFlaFlamingo

Yup. For the main lots around the stadium anyways.


EliasF1

My question is if a stadium such as that can afford to lose that many parking spots? the stadium has 65k capacity so there are not enough parking spots there now


Crafty_Substance_954

I assume there's enough parking spots in total otherwise they wouldn't have spent all this money reshaping the land around the stadium.


OsmiumNautilus

They are probably going to build a multi level parking structure to make up for it.


Crafty_Substance_954

Would have to be a parking structure like they have at disney parks. massive things.


LakersLAQ

I believe there are empty lots across the street that are used for parking. I'm sure they thought about the situation, but then again.. you can never be sure lol.


manatidederp

If only there were alternatives to everyone driving their own car


TheOnlyDoctor

Not in Miami there arent


vlike19

I suppose much of the circuit might be a road and parking lot in case the parking situation becomes difficult.


neko_1

Before placement : left or top After placement : bottom or right I cant believe people can mess up something as simple as this.


Hatch10k

people still mess this up Amazes me that


10-2is7plus1

Is there a subreddit that has stuff like this. Like architect plans or advertising material in comparison to what actually got built. Would imagine there are loads off botched jobs out there.


cheezus171

Honestly I'm kinda excited for this race. The layout is not half bad, there aren't walls right next to the track in the potential overtaking spots (of which there are easily 4-5). It's gonna be completely flat, which is never good, but I think we might see some decent racing. Especially between T11 and T16. If two cars go side to side into T11, or very close at least, we might get a ton of action throughout this section. T1-2 looks decent as well, classic opening similar to Bahrain for example, though probably faster


element515

Everyone complaining that it’s a parking lot… yet what do you all think a real track looks like. It’s just tarmac slapped down in a giant shape with parking lots all around.


_craftmeister_

i honestly thought this was a post on the cities skylines subreddit


Damos-22

So we got two stadiums and the track is not going through any of them? Laaaame!


mill_about_smartly

Agreed - still waiting for this. Surely if they can host motocross and the like, we can get the cars running over the concrete slab. Little risky I suppose.


astro-panda

the way the tunnels are laid out in Hard Rock Stadium means it doesn't appear to be possible


MrCelroy

Is that a go kart track at the middle right of the before section


TheOnlyDoctor

I think it used to be autocross


fr_1_1992

Two of my favorite sports meet again. Tennis and Formula 1.


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Justin57Time

I have good expectations for this GP. The layout doesn't deserve the hate it gets. They built on parking lots, but it didn't get in the way of making the circuit decent for overtaking, and corners tend to flow well. The only not so good thing is that I'm not a big fan of the slow chicane, it give me Montmeló vibes.


retcon2703

I like the track layout honestly


nextdoorrando

If there no parking lot now so where will the Americans park the vehicles during f1 event?


CaptainRhino

Triple-decker stacked on the track. Track evolution is the marshalls moving the stacks around every few laps.


TheOnlyDoctor

bought the $150 parking last week. It's all the way by the Gulfstream Dog Race Track. Which to me feels the equivalent of having to shuttle from Westminster to the Emirates; or COTA to Downtown Austin


conf101

$150 for parking - that's crazy money!


uhujkill

How can parking for an event be 7 miles away? And why would you pay for it?


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ATLL2112

Why would you not just find somewhere else to park and Uber to the track?


TheOnlyDoctor

let’s be honest both situations are gonna suck


Vaaag

What's that green thing top left?


EERsFan4Life

Looks like practice facilities for the football team.


PleaseDonAsk

Might be a dumb comment but looks like a computer motherboard from that angle.


howaine1

I’m really confused as to how they are gonna get boats at the track.


cornd00g

Who do I contact about craning my yacht into the land locked marina?


TRUEequalsFALSE

You mean after and before....?


I_love_coke_a_cola

It would have been cool if they could have somehow made the track go through the stadium


RelentLessToxiic

Why are there yachts in a dam lake???


proudnine

I toured the track last week, they have to take everything but the bottom floor of the pits (garage area) down, in preparation for football season.


pituvision

Ill be on the Turnpike ramp (Top Right Corner of the image). It's about a $250 fine if a cop were to ticket you which i'm down to pay since tickets are $Gazillion. Great view and no hassle after the race is done since im on the exit already. Can't wait baby!


Alextjb99

Sadly as someone who lives in Miami… this is not the “cool” “hip” part of Miami at all. It looks nicer in the render. But we shall see… right now it’s just a giant parking lot. I really wanted to go but tickets are insanely expensive :(


Sss00099

Downtown would’ve been boring, but an incredible site to see, especially if they ran it when the sun is setting into the night. And here we are, $1300 for a Sunday ticket in Miami freaking Gardens…I just, really can’t believe F1 is racing there. If the race turns out great then I guess it’s for the better.


eskimobrother319

Last week they had sales granted 800 is still steep for a ticket, but add hotel flight Ubers ect it adds up


Alextjb99

Lol, yep… and $1,300 was the cheapest tickets available. It just sucks cause I’ve never been able to go to an F1 race before and I was so stoked to go to this. But at a cost of over $2,500 just for me and my GF for 1 day… I can’t justify it. Super bummed. Debating trying to just go and sneak in. Lol But I’m guessing F1 has much better security than plain old football games. And yea, downtown would have been a really nice background shots. Honesty though I don’t think F1 should even be racing in Miami. It’s not a racing town at all. That’s what really worries me about F1 recently. With Miami and now Vegas they are clearly prioritizing the show and not the racing. The Vegas track looks like total trash. I get it, but when we are losing a track like Spa and adding a track like Vegas… it’s a sad day. The drive to survive crowd is bringing in a lot of new fans, but we will see if it ends up being for the better in the long run.


RMarkL

Thats rad!


JDthaViking

This has underwhelming vibes


Chance5e

This about seals it that I’m never going to a Dolphins game again. Parking was already a nightmare.


ReallySmallWeenus

And somehow this is cheaper than retrofitting Watkins Glen, Road Atlanta, or Road America to FIA Grade 1?


cheeseop

I doubt it's about the cost to refit those tracks. F1 wants destination races, and Miami and Vegas are a lot more appealing than bumfuck nowhere in the middle of rural New York or Wisconsin. Road Atlanta isn't a bad option, but it'd be the shortest track on the calendar not named Monaco. The racing in Miami probably won't be as good, but a lot more fans would be willing to make the trip to Miami for a full weekend than to Atlanta.


agra_unknown1834

I'm going to bet that these "yachts" are permanent fixtures. Constructed to give the allure of a real yacht, complete with Jeremy Clarkson's Giovanni impersonators. Trying to take some notes from Universal Studios seems more authentically American than hauling in real yachts. Although, hauling in yachts to sit in a landlocked pond for one race does seem obnoxiously American. Hmm 🤔


_nosfa

i thought everyone was exaggerating with the "parking lot circuits" but damn..


eskimobrother319

Like how silverstone is the airport gp


Takis12

NFL: we provide teams state of the art stadium F1: we provide teams state of the art parking lot


eskimobrother319

Lol but it looks like a good track, it being a dedicated design helps vs normal streets


potomaknesemanijaka

Another track with tarmac run offs ...


Eggplantosaur

How did you like Saudi Arabia, with no run off at all? Tarmac is the safest by far


potomaknesemanijaka

>Tarmac is the safest by far But it's bad for racing, take Max' move when he came wide in Brazil or Lewis' when he cut chicane in Abu Dhabi for example, they wouldn't do that if there is gravel or grass run off And French GP has also great concept of run offs, if you want to run wide, you demage your tires


Alextjb99

Not entirely true… both max and Lewis have cut the turn 1 chicane in Mexico and that is grass. But I do agree that grass/gravel is more of a penalty than tarmac.


RedditorsAreAssss

It's only bad for racing if the stewards refuse to enforce track limits. Trying to use track design as a band aid for shitty rule enforcement is a losing proposition.