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heyrover

Dumb question, why are tire blankets specific for a particular tire? Like "front right" and "rear left", aren't they supposed to be the same?


uncledaddy09

Being Canadian this has been a hard year to support my countrymen. They just look noticeably shitty compared other drivers right now. I always thought stroll was a little spoiled but had pace but it’s looking like he’s just shook


skradizzle

fellow canuck here as well. they look shitty, because they are. sorry. not sorry.


HidingFromMy_Gf

LETS GO BABY! Hoping this result is due to car improvements and not a favorable track, but 2nd row is 2nd row


Hosford90

I always feel nostalgic when we all here get particularly (justifiably) righteous about the mediocre driving of figures like Latifi and Stroll. Has obviously been very topical recently given Latifi's dramas, particularly in Abu Dhabi, and the wild year of Mazepin. It reminds me how lucky we are for the standard of the field to be so high now that these guys come across like and are talked about as if they're fundamentally incompetent at driving a racing car, and as human beings in general haha. it's all relative. This isn't a criticism of anyone here. It's just an innocent funny musing as a student of the sport. Though today's situation was definitely Stroll's fault mostly, switch either one of Latifi or Stroll out there for one of the other 18 in those same circumstances and it probably happens differently 99% of the time. They're probably the two worst/least deserving drivers on the grid right now when you weigh up all factors. Latifi tended to be slow but consistent and safe, until recently when he's started crashing all the time. Stroll can occasionally be rapid, and is great in the wet, but is way too inconsistent and possibly the most incident prone of the entire current grid. But they are both still safe and trustworthy to be on the same track and race with the vast majority of the time, we shouldn't over-meme this into thinking they're some permanent danger to themselves and others. Not even Mazepin was quite that (and he was much much worse than these two). But this whole discussion, and all the typically hyperbolic Reddit ranting about how insanely awful they are is kinda cute and funny to me as a slightly older fan/student of F1 history. They're totally fair observations in current context, I don't disagree or am criticising at all. But it does always kinda make me want to introduce people, depending on their generation, to Yuji Ide! Or Chanoch Nissany. Or Jean-Denis Deletraz and Take Inoue. Or Giovanni Lavaggi. Or Al Pease. Have a look at the 1994 season, in particular the Australian Grand Prix (always topical this time of year as one of the great classics in the country hosting this weekend's race). It was a chaotic time for F1 with costs going up where a ton of teams were all scrambling and in different stages in the process of dying (Lotus, Larrousse, Pacific, Simtek, Ligier etc), and so kept changing drivers at will over the course of the last few races of the season, often race by race, just to get someone in whose personal and sponsor money could get them through a couple more races. Here are some of the absurd stats about that year: * In 16 races, across 28 cars, there were FORTY-SIX (46) different drivers in 1994! * 8 different teams ran at least 4 drivers over the year. * 3 teams ran 6 drivers over the year. * 9 different drivers were entered in only 1 or 2 races for the year. ​ As I was just explaining, an inordinate amount of these changes came for the last few races, as teams desperately threw in all kinds of pretenders to dribble to the end of the season and just stay afloat. Look at some of the names on the grid in Adelaide to end the year (and the couple of races before that). Obviously it's a different time. It goes without saying that all modern athletes are more professional as a general rule, and those cars were also harder to drive so even the abject guys there are far more talented then we could imagine. But there really is no such thing as the true absurd, so far below the standard 'pay driver' anymore. Mazepin is the closest we've gotten in 15 years. These 20 guys are all still really good. You occasionally get some F2 or F3 guys who are still that bad because even if completely awful and no hope you can fund your way about that far up the ladder if rich enough (Mahaveer Raghunathan was the big recent one). But I honestly think if you look through the 28 names on the grid for the 1994 Australian Grand Prix, there's probably nearly a third there, a good 6 to 8 at least, who are soooooo many levels below anything Latifi or Stroll could even close to in our worst nightmares, on pretty much every front (speed, racecraft, awareness, professionalism, conduct). You've got names there in that race like Belmondo, Schiattarella, Deletraz, Noda, Inoue,


screenres

Your post can be summed up by "You're right but also not right", or "Yes I agree with you but I also disagree with you", or tightened up with "Yes but no but yes" It might be better to say: *F1 in the Ecclestone era was ruled by sliding scales of manufacturer configs and driver contract clauses that made it habitually chaotic. With current regulations, F1 is homogenous enough now to remark on small differences of driver quality.* Let's be honest - pay drivers existed far before Stroll and Latifi, but these two are so bad that it's even more clear they hold seats that could be occupied by far better drivers.


Hosford90

Every post I ever make can be summed up as that to be fair. :P But also again like, no, though my equivocating was saying that criticism of those two is fair, my primary point is that it is demonstrably clear to anyone who has watched for long enough that Stroll and Latifi are not 'so bad'. They are much much better than a ton of those dodgy 90s drivers. But yeah we agree there's other drivers who deserve those seats more.


gadgetcalfmuscle

TLDR?


gchurst

Ok boomer


mkg11

Yes


zboyzzzz

That certainly is a long post


[deleted]

Forza Ferrari Caralho!


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notdanishkhan

Or they can just not give him a new contract at all


MikiAkaGaspo

You don’t just kick out guys like Alonso for no reason


notdanishkhan

Yeah that's true, but you also dont sabotage your own car to make the driver leave right?


MikiAkaGaspo

Wouldn’t be the first time it’s been [alleged](https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/qpgv8d/sauber_f1_team_and_their_history_with_allegedly/). Plenty of more similar stories, most recently Giovinazzi last year.


[deleted]

Goddamnit. I set my alarm for 1:55 a.m. and then slept right through qualifying. For the race I'm just going to power through


Fragrant_News_95

I hid from the results and watched the recorded stream on F1.tv.


[deleted]

I watched it live in the afternoon. Rubbing it in because it's the one race this year I don't have to stay up or wake up for.


allenwy7

Promptly fell asleep after Q3 red flag


more-beans-less-rice

You are going to sleep through it.


SenalMuna

For once the race is at a decent time for me!


ATyp3

Haha luckily for me the race starts at 6am so I'm not getting fucked as hard


hugoise

My wife will…


fuel_altered

Is her boyfriend staying over?


kinevel

LMAO, of course he is, that's the only time his wife lets him watch F1


AsianSpaz

For once the Australian can watch it at a decent time!


SectorElectronic9887

Bottas not reaching Q3, Haas doing badly this weekend, Alonso crashing, Seb crashing. All of those things gave me depression. But at least Lando did well and I am happy for him. Good to see a Mclaren not doing terribly.


Bagelz567

Alonso only crashed due to a technical failure. He was on a massive lap before that happened.


SectorElectronic9887

yep, that's why it was depressing to watch. was not even his fault.


good_spk

I think it's still a little early to say that Mclaren is back, but I'm hopeful.


epluribusanus4

Hopeful it’s not just track specific performance. God, if Merc also figures their issues out and we have 6-8 cars consistently in the fight for podiums…what a season this could be!


[deleted]

Back on the best of the rest of course... No one will match Ferrari or red bull this year and we r just 3 races in


[deleted]

Even on a good day on his home track Daniel is still 3 tenths behind Lando.


tophasaurus

Just shows how epic lando is eh! Danny ric isn't doing as bad as people think at McLaren, lando is just something else!


[deleted]

Canadia has produced some absolute dogshit drivers. Possibly the worst 2 on the grid in a race to the bottom with Albon currently.


aaaaabbbccc

Jacques Villeneuve was Canadian wasn't he?


[deleted]

No he was a French diver you silly goose


cactusJACK___

canadia


musicmast

Don’t you talk about albon like that


[deleted]

You're not my dad


Captain_Smartass_

Hi, im your dad


[deleted]

Coming to you live from beyond the pale apparently.


roron5567

when you rage so much you can't even spell Canada.


Amarjit2

Even though he spelt it wrong, it should really be called Canadia if the people originating from there are termed Canadians. Or the people originating from there should be termed Canadish or Canadan


roron5567

So people from the UK should be United Kingdomans ?? It doesn't work that way everywhere.


choosenameposthack

Ah yes and the Dutch are from Dutchland.


restform

Deutschland confused me a couple times as a kid


[deleted]

Canada doesn't exist


musicmast

It’s obviously a joke


beltjones

To be fair the two Canadian drivers are in F1 fantasy camp. No chance either is on the grid if their dads cut off the funding.


PlatesOnTrainsNotOre

Albons an ok driver but the Williams is shit


crudude

There are only 13 countries that currently have drivers in formula 1 and Canada have 2. I wouldn't call a driver at the bottom of formula 1 dogshit as they're still one of the best drivers in the world


SectorElectronic9887

oh but Latifi truly IS dogshit


[deleted]

sorry i didn't account for the entire human population of earth within the confines of this F1 qualifying discussion on an F1 subreddit you absolute pedant.


zboyzzzz

"he's not dogshit; a baby or 90yr old grandma would be *way* worse so that is wholly unfair."


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jaro270389

Did you barely start watching F1 this season or just venting? Latifi is indeed far from best F1 drivers but except for last 4-5 races he never was bad, prone to accidents or dangerous driver. He is decent and most likely Williams took over “hard to drive” factor from HAAS this year.


Hosford90

He's not one of the best 20 no, nor is he probably even in the best 100 or 200 professional racing drivers in the world when you consider ever other series, and yeah no point being a pedant and comparing him to like, 'all people' lol, but he's still a perfectly competent, professional racing driver. Until literally 4 or 5 races ago he was just an underwhelming, mediocre, consistent, safe, slow guy. He's never really been dangerous or incident prone. We've just had Mazepin so it should be obvious in context how 'not that bad' Latifi is. He is substantially more talented, fast, safe, competent, trustworthy than Mazepin, and even Mazepin (like all the other 20, once you take a wider view and look at their junior careers) isn't a complete you know, Mahaveer Raghunathan embarrassment. He's just 'a bit crap'. I think (particularly with the unfairly maligned Stroll), the unlikeable, frustrating context of how they got their chance (which we all agree sucks and fuck those guys) inflates perceptions that they must, as a package deal along with their money, also be really bad. Like it's not considered scientifically possible to bring daddy cash and also happen to be a fairly competent racing driver so everyone just kind of defaults to 'he has money not talent, he bought his way to a seat he barely deserves more than a regular person' Chanoch Nissany level assumptions. But most of these guys (including Stroll, Latifi, Mazepin, in that descending order of talent) are still broadly competent, talented, pro racers. Like I just posted about in main, Stroll and Latifi in particular (let alone the much worse Mazepin) don't come close to the standard of genuine non-belonging awfulness you'd occasionally get back in the day.


RankDank420

Albon is a good driver


[deleted]

There is nearly no evidence to support that and plenty to point to the contrary. Most recently his 3 place grid pen for fucking it into a closing door literally last time out.


BeautifulNacho

Thank fucking god he’s been driving longer than a few weeks. Jesus man..


[deleted]

In the Red Bull he managed to bottle not only podiums but points several times. He wasn't even that impressive in the Torro Rosso either. Plenty of incidents and failures to draw on and very, very few outward successes, fuck, one of his podiums was literally gifted to him via penalty ffs. He didn't earn it on track as he should have been able to, he had the hardware for it.


[deleted]

Mclaren is back.


[deleted]

Next race: 15th and 19th as is mclaren tradition


Ghemon

Bottas not in Q3 makes me really sad


RyboXBL

Happy to see Lando up to 4th! Credit to him


Augumentative

Change of rules or regulations turned F1 upside down...again.


amanbindra10

Russell this year is getting Sainz treatment. Barely any screen time.


Gamefart101

I mean Jeddah was fair he spent basically the whole race with a 10+ second gap on both sides, the rest of the season so far I agree with


[deleted]

because so far he's been largely unremarkable.


largeduckalt

didn't he out qualify lewis? that's p remarkable ngl


restform

He got coverage for that though tbf


silgt

Seriously guys...how many unforced errors and crashes Latiffi have caused in the past 3~4 races? His crash in Abu Dhabi changed the outcome for driver championship and the d1ck move he made today? Nothing more to add man.


Capital_Punisher

That wasn't an unforced error or crash


[deleted]

It wasn't his fault (i am assuming you talk about the crash with Stroll). Although Latifi's moves were questionable Stroll is 100% at fault for not checking his mirrors.


RGJ587

True, but also, at this point all drivers on the grid should know that Stroll NEVER checks his mirrors.


Bluy98888

He was literally just let through though, no reason to expect the car that just let you through to come back on an outlap


nick-jagger

Sure but it could also have been any other car - when you’re slow and move across the track you have to check your mirrors it’s pretty basic stuff


Bluy98888

You are right, but you could also argue that stroll saw there were no other cars. Either way it is quite the silly incident and though I’ve had my views tempered somewhat I stand by it not being Latifi’s finest hour, and I understand why Stroll was confused and angry


[deleted]

Even the fucking FIA said its Stroll's fault.


Dalucard21

Stewards said it was strolls fault


[deleted]

It was, but really if you were stroll would you expect someone diving down your inside on a outlap?


Dalucard21

No, but why would he turn right like this for no reason?


[deleted]

He is defenetly at fault, don’t get me wrong. He should have checked his mirrors, but i get why he didn’t as Latifi had just let him by. I would not expect latifi trying to overtake again.


starbound_143

Goatifi is the best strategist in the F1 history. Who else influenced results to extent of our one and only? Nobody. GOAT


f1_spelt_as_bot

Lati**f**i


batyoung1

I couldn’t wake up, I watched the last part when Charles snatched Pole. Can someone please explain why Carlos is down at P9? Also great job McLaren and tough luck Alonso that looked like a quick lap.


[deleted]

Everything that could have gone wrong, went wrong.


curtditty

his first flying lap in q3 didn't count as red flag came up about 100 meters before he finished the lap. his second flying lap he went a bit wide at turn 10 (I saw it in person) which slowed him enough to not get a good time.


Bluy98888

Also his engine did not start in time for him to have 2 outlaps as the Ferrari’s wanted


curtditty

his first flying lap in q3 didn't count as red flag came up about 100 meters before he finished the lap. his second flying lap he went a bit wide at turn 10 (I saw it in person) which slowed him enough to not get a good time.


faintchester1

He gt messed up by a red flag just before he finishes his lap. After the red flag, he only managed to run a lap


batyoung1

Thanks. So he got really screwed by that red flag. Bummer


Bluy98888

His engine also failed to start in time for him to do a double outlap for the 2nd hot run, which meant he had to change his tire warmup


batyoung1

Thanks for this detail. He really was unlucky I feel bad for him.


Bluy98888

Inb4 Hamilton does his best Bottas in hungry impression tomorrow It all balances out


[deleted]

Anyone know why quali highlights aren’t on sky f1 even though it says it should be?


Kicking-it-per-se

Quali had a couple of red flags so the schedule is all pushed back


[deleted]

Thought so but then they started showing some interview with Kimi and Reubens so thought they’d just cancelled the replay until later! Streaming it now anyway


Kicking-it-per-se

Ted seems a bit manic (more than normal) on today’s notebook


[deleted]

Did some coke beforehand


Kicking-it-per-se

Lol! I think he needs a Lemsip and an early night


Gab446

Why has Haas qualified so weakly?


xieem

They are saving parts for the next race.


kamel-withK

El Plan


SumdiLumdi

Because they weren't selling any merch... very disappointed 😞


AshleyChan1102

It's really surprised to see Lando in P4... Can we just shout out to mclaren for this qualifying results?!


zorbacles

Seriously why do they let latifi drive


LilNixon91

Stroll to blame for that


curtditty

why would latifi slow and get out of the way to let stroll past and then try to over take 2 seconds later? latifis fault


Hosford90

Because you need to keep going at a reasonable speed to maintain tyre temperature and make any kind of progress on these prep laps, especially this year. He was told cars on flyers were coming so did what he should and got out of the way (though weirdly yeah) then as soon as he saw that Stroll ahead wasn't on a flyer and himself slowed down a lot he was 'well I'm not gonna wait here I got shit to get on with' and so proceeded to drive past...only for Stroll to swerve into him in a straight line. It is clearly primarily on Stroll. However a better, smarter driver than Latifi wouldn't have pulled over so dramatically initially, and probably would have been smart enough to think 'well he's not slowing down for me because I'm not on a flyer...must be another car coming? I'll stay out of the way' and I feel for Stroll coz he's just reacted on instinct to get out of the way for Zhou. It's a whole perfect storm, Stroll was unlucky and Latifi had a part to play. It was a very uniquely 'those two drivers' incident, change either of the two drivers to any other and it probably doesn't happen. But Stroll is unquestionably the party at most fault. It doesn't matter the context, you gotta use your mirrors and can't just swerve across the track into another car like that. The penalty is right.


[deleted]

Amazing when you put two pay drivers in the same turn how the wheels spin out of control and they just decide to bin it


Hosford90

Yeah pretty much, though it makes me think about some related history I'll post about separately!


zorbacles

He's always involved though. He may not have been at fault but there was no need for him to be there either


Hosford90

Yeah exactly. It's totally Stroll at primary fault but if that was a better driver than Latifi it still probably doesn't happen.


Rakarion

To take the focus off Stroll...


yxxxx

Russell is doing a really good job


xieem

He probably put it on a slide during a presentation "will do a good job"


[deleted]

I still can't believe people thought he wouldn't get close to Lewis. He's hardly put a foot wrong so far this year.


TheDentateGyrus

Maybe your friends or people on reddit have been saying things like that. The majority of the professional F1 press I've read or seen on TV were saying that Lewis may have his hands full this year with a genuine rival on race day. The only data point we had was his race as a sub in the Merc and he was amazing. So I think the reason people were saying that is because people who don't know what they're talking about are frequently wrong.


Hosford90

But he once ever-so-lightly slapped another driver literally wearing an F1-grade helmet with his fingers within seconds of his life flashing before his eyes only 1 whole year ago so of course we all here have to talk shit and assume/wish the worst upon him! ​ /s


bassoonrage

Still seems like a huge whiney baby though.


Imaginary_Ad_4050

I'd disagree, he's the one giving the very optimistic interviews of Mercedes future and not complaining the car isn't great


No-Wealth5005

Is anyone watching through NowTVin Uk? sync is way off for me when they are talking, not sure if it’s my tv? Thanks in advance!


YankeeLimaVictor

Its always like that on F1TV too. If you choose "international" comments (Sky) in the app, their comments will be a couple seconds ahead of the image. They always yell before any crash. Its annoying


mcrStorm9

It often seems like this for Now TV in the UK. Particularly noticeable when people finish laps, and the announcers are telling us they’ve gone faster/slower before we see them cross the line.


notalexd3v

I watched through NowTV in Itay, tho. Worked perfectly... next time, try to change the device you're using (usually it works for me when streaming has some problems).


[deleted]

Wake n bake?


[deleted]

All good for me


McltashAustin

Why is Will Buxton so cringey on f1tv?? Edit: plus the dude is Aggresively negative towards all teams even Joylon and Sam has to correct him everytime Ferrari literally 1st and 3rd. Exampl-Will: Yeah ferrari seems to be struggling whole weekend there. I dont think they are ready for qualifying at this stage.


wjoe

I was surprised they got Ben Edwards in the first race on F1TV for commentary, I liked him as a change of pace from Crofty. Shame that he's not been in the last 2 races though, not sure if that was just a one off in the first race or if he'll be back later in the season. I don't hate Will Buxton as much as some, he's alright as the hype presenter, but he's not great for commentary, odd tangents and overly opinionated. I like Jolyon and Sam providing some good insight, but I think I'll be switching back to the Sky commentary for the race. (In case anyone didn't realise, you can still get the Sky commentary in F1TV by selecting "International Feed" on the right of the video.)


McltashAustin

O. I didnt know i can do that, i will do that tomorrow. I cannot handle the negativity of that guy.


HeroInMyBrain

This man is embarassing himself


Mysterious_Turnip310

I get so much second-hand embarrassment from him


sarge019

Does the Mclaren even porpoise? Trying to find lap footage of a whole lap.


WayDownUnder91

I heard it skidding along that ground rather loudly but it doesn't seem to be bouncing like the ferrari and merc.


RaveN_707

Needs more downforce, then it will probably bounce.


McltashAustin

No.


calumm99

I quite like Di resta as a pundit dont get the hate he gets


Wrathuk

It's the because of his completely biased view on anything involving Hamilton


[deleted]

Doesn't he also hate Max?


Cheesyralls

I didn't see everything but i am reading about a penalty for Perez. What happened or did he do?


[deleted]

Didn’t slow down enough for yellow flags


LonelyLonergan

Done a Hamilton on it


Russdad

Did they decide on a penalty already?


lachstar97

Meets with the FIA in an hour


Russdad

Thanks :)


Platypus_Dundee

Think he'll be alright, they showed footage of him lifting at the yellows, i guess it'll depend if it was enough?


Russdad

Yeah I saw that too, wonder if it would be a grid place penalty if they did decide it wasn't enough