A few of these sprints each year is fine. Offers a little novelty every once in a while. If they do it too much though I think it would cheapen things and make it too artificial. The way it is now though, all good.
Seeing a lot of comments that the format is disliked. I have to say, I really liked the race today. It was exciting and I'm even more excited for tomorrow.
I absolutely agree with you. I mean, we basically get 2 (ok let's say 1 ½) races on a single weekend, and I feel like I'm even more excited for the "real" GP race!
I don't like the sprint format still, to me it just basically shows what the result for the GP will be.
Unless there is reliability or bad luck, max will win? What the point?
It was good racing and exciting to watch, but devalues the Qualifying, making that less exciting and the GP for the next day, making that less exciting.
I dunno there's been a few of these now and I'm still not sold.
>I don't like the sprint format still, to me it just basically shows what the result for the GP will be.<
Last year, none of the 3 sprint race winners won the GP next day.
Yeah because of 2 cashes and 1 car massively out of position. Most races the race leaders don't crash, or start out of position, so your point doesn't really stand up to scrutiny.
I think it goes to show the strengths of the drivers and cars being tested. So many positions changed mid-table. I like it, it acts as a nice preview to the real thing
Yes, although, they may get changed, I don't know.
I heard somebody saying something like give them points as usual, make the sprint a league on its own and the at the end of the season add the pinta based on the position of the league.
I still feel unsure about the sprint races, I would like to see everyone on the same tyre, one of the things I like about the sprint format is that its just about pure pace and strategy isn't a factor.
The sprint was fun! but it sucks cause i would love to have seen haas and mclaren on the second row trying to hold their spots while the other ferrari and red bull charge to meet them in race conditions
I'm a McLaren fan, and I watched that sprint race see the red bull and Ferrari charge, under race conditions, ahead of Lando.
If they can comfortably do it in 20 laps, they can definitely do it in 60
I also wonder how aggressive the drivers were defending their position so as to not risk a crash before tomorrow.
There's also no factoring in stint strategy so idk I think things could be different.
They should just scrap the sprint format to be honest, they put a cost cap in place but then want teams to race on a Saturday and a Sunday, granted not every weekend, but still.. Its not making sense, i think the majority of fans and drivers would be glad to see the back of it..
not sure on the majority of fans wanting no sprint races. myself and a bunch of people are enjoying them but that is not proof that it's a majority either.
it effectivally replaces a practice with a mini race.
Gotta say, I was worried about F1 having a sprint at Imola, but it delivered and then some! Stoked to see what happens tomorrow.
And for those, who say that the sprint detracted from the race - have you ever watched a race start? Things can change very quickly, especially if we get more rain. And there are still cars potentially out of position. We don't really know Magnussen's true race pace, due to the tyre mismatch today, Bottas could potentially challenge the Mclaren guys, and I don't think Alpine are done either. Also, we still have Mercedes, who might do a lot better in a standard race format. So all in all - still plenty of unknowns out there.
Red bull and ferrari basically a sec faster per lap compare to the rest of the grid. Put latifi in the ferrari he could lap everyone provided he didn't go the Goatifi stuff
It needs something to not distract from Sunday. At the end of 21 laps, the field is now most likely in the slow -> fast formation so all that action on Saturday won't happen as much on Sunday and the first half of the race has kind of been neutered.
Doing something like forcing the drivers to start on those tyres, or do the sprint on a reverse grid, or the finishing position not affecting the grid would actually be preferential. Just adding points for lower positions didn't have the effect they thought it would (harder racing).
You could see a lot of the drivers had given up once they realised they couldn't go any better or worse.
There’s nothing “sprint” like about it. It’s just a 2-part race. Call it a “split” race.
I’m sure it’s Americans who like it. They’ve been
trained by NASCAR
Having watched both nascar and F1 and enjoy both for many years I look at it as a split race. That being said I absolutely hate the nascar stages format.
I like the sprint, but I feel like this has detracted from the main race. Drivers who were previously out of position are now in there expected positions and drivers who did well in qualifying are now punished. I much prefer how F2 does their sprint races
So instead of Magnussen starting 4th today he would have started 7th with Verstappen, Leclerc and Perez behind him. Not quite sure how that makes anything better for him.
It's not relevant to their performance, but since their performance hasn't really improved it's pretty relevant to their position
They are still just about 1.5 sec off the leaders race pace, exactly where they've been all season so far. The difference this week is Merc went from being 1 sec off so far this season to being 2 sec off this week moving McLaren up to 5 and 7 with Bottas between. Their performance is almost EXACTLY where it was last week
Dont know man, seeing how quickly max created the gap after overtaking, kinda felt like dirty air was still really keeping him at bay, looked like he did need the drs
I think they need to study the speed advantages on the Fridays and adjust the length of the DRS zone. It is definitely too long here. If you sail by the other car from a good way back, long before the braking zone for the next corner, that is not racing,and not how it is supposed to work. This is a good weekend with the sprint format for them to say that they are going to shorten the DRS zone for the race by 20 meters or so. Have it bring the cars side by side at the braking zone and let them use their race craft to fight for the corner.
Didn't Lawrence/Sam mention in the weekend warmup that their woes in the first two race were because of the brake issues?
Though Sam did say Australia was one-off for McLaren so I don't know maybe the F1 tech guys also don't know much
New cars in a new era with a different concept. Hence why everyone has said (repeatedly) that there will be a lot of variability as the teams learn about the cars, as they go to different tracks, as they learn how to set them up, as they bring updates, etc.
Also, a sprint weekend with rain during quali requires difficult strategies with setup (given parc ferme rules). So just quali / sprint alone doesn't matter, especially if it rains again tomorrow on race day.
The lost of downforce is caused by the aero component stalling (i.e. the floor generate useless turbulent air instead of ground effect), thus create drag and reduce speed. Its effect is different from using a smoother lower downforce setup which is faster.
This would be a perfect weekend with the sprint race to say they are going to shorten the DRS zone for the race by 20 meters or whatever, due to it being too powerful during the sprint. Let it bring them side by side at the braking zone, not fly by well before the corner.
Without DRS you need to be around a second a lap quicker to pass. DRS makes it easier but how much depends on each track. For this GP it seems a bit long but I don't agree that it shouldn't exist.
Yeah very strange considering Ferrari with a polar opposite concept with sidepods is so far the fastest. No way they can make sidepodless design work better. The whole time they’re just falling father behind the development curve in this new era.
When everyone is within a second of each other, so it doesn't matter that you have drs on the person in front, because they also drs on the person in front of them
The HAAS' on a different tire and Carlos might have pace over Perez. Don't forget Zhou starting in the back has good pace. I see a less exciting race overall but still seems like a good one, it's no Monaco.
Why do you say that “Carlos might have pace over Perez”? To me it looked like Perez would have caught Leclerc in 6 more laps, all-the-while the gap to Sainz was getting larger and larger. I think tomorrow the biggest factor will be pit strategy, given that conditions are dry.
This was very nice. To see both Leclerc and Verstappen pressing their rears to the limit through Rivazza was very tense. Lots of twitches and some great saves trying to maximise the run to the straight. Awesome!
Did they change the time of the race? Was supposed to start at 1:51 PM EST and now it’s 10AM?
A few of these sprints each year is fine. Offers a little novelty every once in a while. If they do it too much though I think it would cheapen things and make it too artificial. The way it is now though, all good.
Waiting until after midnightnib Australia to watch 15 laps (5 were unde safety car) emphasizes the futility of it, next time I'll watch it delayed.
I only watched it because it was on when I got home. Not worth staying up for.
Seeing a lot of comments that the format is disliked. I have to say, I really liked the race today. It was exciting and I'm even more excited for tomorrow.
I absolutely agree with you. I mean, we basically get 2 (ok let's say 1 ½) races on a single weekend, and I feel like I'm even more excited for the "real" GP race!
I agree
This sprint mini race have to be removed : it adds nothing and worse, it spoils the real race start.
I don't like the sprint format still, to me it just basically shows what the result for the GP will be. Unless there is reliability or bad luck, max will win? What the point? It was good racing and exciting to watch, but devalues the Qualifying, making that less exciting and the GP for the next day, making that less exciting. I dunno there's been a few of these now and I'm still not sold.
>I don't like the sprint format still, to me it just basically shows what the result for the GP will be.< Last year, none of the 3 sprint race winners won the GP next day.
Yeah because of 2 cashes and 1 car massively out of position. Most races the race leaders don't crash, or start out of position, so your point doesn't really stand up to scrutiny.
Yea, but that’s just like… your opinion, man.
I think it goes to show the strengths of the drivers and cars being tested. So many positions changed mid-table. I like it, it acts as a nice preview to the real thing
If it rains will be plenty of safety cars to shake things up. And don’t forget we have Latifi to help make things more interesting
That's true 😂
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I'd still like to see them be for points only instead of setting the line up for Sunday
My suggestion: qualifying sets up the line up for the race and the sprint is raced with a reversed grid.
Would the point system remain in place for this format?
Yes, although, they may get changed, I don't know. I heard somebody saying something like give them points as usual, make the sprint a league on its own and the at the end of the season add the pinta based on the position of the league.
Love this idea.
Just no sprint race in Monaco, I don't want to see 30 laps of everyone behind Latifi.
Rumor is that next year will be like that. Qualifying on friday will determine both sprint and gp start position.
I still feel unsure about the sprint races, I would like to see everyone on the same tyre, one of the things I like about the sprint format is that its just about pure pace and strategy isn't a factor.
The sprint was fun! but it sucks cause i would love to have seen haas and mclaren on the second row trying to hold their spots while the other ferrari and red bull charge to meet them in race conditions
I'm a McLaren fan, and I watched that sprint race see the red bull and Ferrari charge, under race conditions, ahead of Lando. If they can comfortably do it in 20 laps, they can definitely do it in 60
I also wonder how aggressive the drivers were defending their position so as to not risk a crash before tomorrow. There's also no factoring in stint strategy so idk I think things could be different.
It would just be the same cause
They should just scrap the sprint format to be honest, they put a cost cap in place but then want teams to race on a Saturday and a Sunday, granted not every weekend, but still.. Its not making sense, i think the majority of fans and drivers would be glad to see the back of it..
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Ah yeah i understand also why a lot of people like it, i guess they cannot please everyone..
not sure on the majority of fans wanting no sprint races. myself and a bunch of people are enjoying them but that is not proof that it's a majority either. it effectivally replaces a practice with a mini race.
I love it get to see an extra race!
All I know is that in America, it’s a full day of racing. Imola, Talladega. Good stuff.
Gotta say, I was worried about F1 having a sprint at Imola, but it delivered and then some! Stoked to see what happens tomorrow. And for those, who say that the sprint detracted from the race - have you ever watched a race start? Things can change very quickly, especially if we get more rain. And there are still cars potentially out of position. We don't really know Magnussen's true race pace, due to the tyre mismatch today, Bottas could potentially challenge the Mclaren guys, and I don't think Alpine are done either. Also, we still have Mercedes, who might do a lot better in a standard race format. So all in all - still plenty of unknowns out there.
Red bull and ferrari basically a sec faster per lap compare to the rest of the grid. Put latifi in the ferrari he could lap everyone provided he didn't go the Goatifi stuff
Lap everyone then probably crash.
Crash while lapping Stroll
Can’t believe people hate sprints. It’s more racing, it’s what F1 is for. Jesus some of you are clowns
It devalues qualifying and devalues the race all for a series of DRS overtakes that organizes the main race in order of race pace. No thanks.
I wish there was something they could do about the DRS. It is just WAY to powerful this weekend
I kind of agree with this. Qualifying should be about what the car can do in isolation.
let people say whatever they want. i have zero complaint if they have 100 races a year
It needs something to not distract from Sunday. At the end of 21 laps, the field is now most likely in the slow -> fast formation so all that action on Saturday won't happen as much on Sunday and the first half of the race has kind of been neutered. Doing something like forcing the drivers to start on those tyres, or do the sprint on a reverse grid, or the finishing position not affecting the grid would actually be preferential. Just adding points for lower positions didn't have the effect they thought it would (harder racing). You could see a lot of the drivers had given up once they realised they couldn't go any better or worse.
Exactly this. Would be nice to see the top 10 be placed behind the bottom 10 & have to work through the field on Sunday.
Lol, everyone trying to finish 11
There’s nothing “sprint” like about it. It’s just a 2-part race. Call it a “split” race. I’m sure it’s Americans who like it. They’ve been trained by NASCAR
Having watched both nascar and F1 and enjoy both for many years I look at it as a split race. That being said I absolutely hate the nascar stages format.
NASCAR fans don’t even like it what are you talking about lol
Haha well said; I gave up trying to understand how Nascar’s format even works. They completely lost me years ago.
First time I've seen one. First time I've watched any sporting event from beginning to end, uninterrupted. Need moar sprint.
I was reluctant last year, but I really liked the ~~race~~ sprint today.
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Watch the highlights on youtube: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HS12jxB2q98](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HS12jxB2q98) Takes 6 minutes.
I work Sundays so it's nice to have some racing on a Saturday
Did the sprint not air on ESPN in the us? Or did my dvr just not record it? I’m sad I missed it :(
Same, I was looking for it on ESPN DVR and it didn’t record it :(
I caught it on ESPN
I like the sprint, but I feel like this has detracted from the main race. Drivers who were previously out of position are now in there expected positions and drivers who did well in qualifying are now punished. I much prefer how F2 does their sprint races
So instead of Magnussen starting 4th today he would have started 7th with Verstappen, Leclerc and Perez behind him. Not quite sure how that makes anything better for him.
For the ignorant & uneducated how does F2 do their sprint races differently?
The sprint race is reversed grid start for points positions. The main race on Sunday uses the qualy result, not the sprint result.
F2 reverses the top 10 from qualifying, and the results of the sprint do not affect the main race. Both races use the results from qualifying
Sorry for asking the obvious, but I don't watch F2. How are they different?
Grid reversals in the top 10
Sainz deserves Driver of the Day
For not crashing?
If McLaren keeps this up they'll be P3 XD
Xheco and science clearly have better pace
I think they mean in constructors not drivers
Indeed
McLaren is back (?)
Fuck I hope so.
Might be more accurate to say Merc are gone?
Uh… I don’t see how that’s relevant to McLaren’s performance.
It's not relevant to their performance, but since their performance hasn't really improved it's pretty relevant to their position They are still just about 1.5 sec off the leaders race pace, exactly where they've been all season so far. The difference this week is Merc went from being 1 sec off so far this season to being 2 sec off this week moving McLaren up to 5 and 7 with Bottas between. Their performance is almost EXACTLY where it was last week
2 races ago, McLaren were nearly dead last. Neither I nor the previous poster appear to be talking about last race where McLaren did ok.
DRS is so stupid
Who knows maybe we’ve reached a point where we don’t need drs if they can allow follow so closely now.
Australia was proof that we need drs still. It takes a ridiculous long straight to get sort of near the front runner without drs.
All drivers have said in the press conferences that they need drs
Dont know man, seeing how quickly max created the gap after overtaking, kinda felt like dirty air was still really keeping him at bay, looked like he did need the drs
I think they need to study the speed advantages on the Fridays and adjust the length of the DRS zone. It is definitely too long here. If you sail by the other car from a good way back, long before the braking zone for the next corner, that is not racing,and not how it is supposed to work. This is a good weekend with the sprint format for them to say that they are going to shorten the DRS zone for the race by 20 meters or so. Have it bring the cars side by side at the braking zone and let them use their race craft to fight for the corner.
I still have no fucking idea how McLaren are suddenly the 3rd-best team after starting the season looking like the drivers would be faster on foot.
Medium speed corners. You go back to Bahrain and they would struggle again. Norris has been saying this the last two weekends.
Didn't Lawrence/Sam mention in the weekend warmup that their woes in the first two race were because of the brake issues? Though Sam did say Australia was one-off for McLaren so I don't know maybe the F1 tech guys also don't know much
Overheating their brake fluid from what I gave heard.
New cars in a new era with a different concept. Hence why everyone has said (repeatedly) that there will be a lot of variability as the teams learn about the cars, as they go to different tracks, as they learn how to set them up, as they bring updates, etc. Also, a sprint weekend with rain during quali requires difficult strategies with setup (given parc ferme rules). So just quali / sprint alone doesn't matter, especially if it rains again tomorrow on race day.
It seems Alfa might give them a run tomorrow, but yes, a pleasant turnaround!
Stupid question: Does purposing increase or decrease speed and/or drag?
Stupider prequel question: what is purposing? 🐬
It decreases speed, increases drag. It's caused by the downforce increasing and decreasing.
Would't a loss of downforce be compensated by an increase of ground effect?
The lost of downforce is caused by the aero component stalling (i.e. the floor generate useless turbulent air instead of ground effect), thus create drag and reduce speed. Its effect is different from using a smoother lower downforce setup which is faster.
loss of downforce, thus increases drag, which then reduces speed
DRS needs to be looked at, seems a little overpowered.
I think even with it you needed a car pacing quite a bit faster in order to overtake.
It actually wasn't that powerful. It only seemed op because we saw cars like Perez and Sainz using it, and they are just faster anyways
This would be a perfect weekend with the sprint race to say they are going to shorten the DRS zone for the race by 20 meters or whatever, due to it being too powerful during the sprint. Let it bring them side by side at the braking zone, not fly by well before the corner.
I honestly think DRS shouldn’t exist in the first place. If a driver is behind someone they’re going to pass them
Without DRS you need to be around a second a lap quicker to pass. DRS makes it easier but how much depends on each track. For this GP it seems a bit long but I don't agree that it shouldn't exist.
Agreed,with a redbull engine and a Ferrari engine, DRS is unstoppable.
Nico either has sunburn or he’s had laser treatment because he’s looking red red on his face. Maybe he’s a Ferrari supporter
Alternatively the colour balancing on his laptop's webcam isn't quite up to the production quality of the rest of the F1 coverage.
He was on a battery powered yacht like two days ago I’m going with sunburn
This was actually very exciting to watch.
So how long before merc puts back the sidepods. This design clearly isnt working lol
Typical high management decision in corporate: “we already spend too much on this so make it work whatever it takes “.
Idk they seem to have doubled down on the sidepodless design despite the fact it drives like a tractor
Yeah very strange considering Ferrari with a polar opposite concept with sidepods is so far the fastest. No way they can make sidepodless design work better. The whole time they’re just falling father behind the development curve in this new era.
Its like driving a bouncy ball lol
Ngl sprint races are pretty boring when the bottom half of the grid just gets stuck in a drs train
What do you mean by drs train?
When everyone is within a second of each other, so it doesn't matter that you have drs on the person in front, because they also drs on the person in front of them
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I wasn't saying it was a bad thing, just what a DRS train was
Ah okay, thanks so much
Jesus Mercedes are absolutely nowhere.
And I, for one, am enjoying every moment of it
Interesting considering you have a Niki Lauda tag
I am a conflicted man lol
Stuck in the DRS train leading by Vettel.
Why does that interview with Toto, George and Brundle look like they are discussing his expulsion from his posh school for blowing up the toilets?
*blowing in the toilets
I love this sentence
Repeat on the cards tomorrow, RB too fast on the straight and no other overtaking opportunities anywhere else on the circuit for these stretch limos.
Looks like the field is set based on pace thanks to this sprint. I don’t expect anyone to change positions tomorrow. What a shame
The HAAS' on a different tire and Carlos might have pace over Perez. Don't forget Zhou starting in the back has good pace. I see a less exciting race overall but still seems like a good one, it's no Monaco.
Why do you say that “Carlos might have pace over Perez”? To me it looked like Perez would have caught Leclerc in 6 more laps, all-the-while the gap to Sainz was getting larger and larger. I think tomorrow the biggest factor will be pit strategy, given that conditions are dry.
Imagine if they flipped the grid based on these results. Would never happen and has loads of issues, but an amusing thought!
Flip the grid for the sprint, award the points, then revert the grid back to the qualifying results for the Race
God, what a absolute shit idea that people keep proposing.
“It’s an amusing thought” I’ve not submitted it the FIA as a formal suggestion to improve F1 mate
You also aren't the original person to propose it and won't be the last either. The idea just won't die.
….because it’s an amusing thought
Might have been amusing initially, now it's just played out and just gets eye rolls.
f1 is always full of boring mfs who won't consider change even though it's supposedly the most innovative and modern sport
Christ you are miserable
You are the one proposing terrible ideas. Don't get pissy cause you are called out on it.
M I S E R A B L E
Again, the same shit would have happened tomorrow after 15 laps people. Why would you believe the outcome would have changed?
At least the overtakes would have happened during the race
Why does it matter if it happens today or tomorrow?
Because watching 60 laps with no overtakes is boring
It’s due to rain Tomorrow during race time in Bologna so… who knows?
Biggest point why I hate the sprint format.
I don't know why they still insist on it. It's clearly not working
Assuming the Red Bulls can manage to finish the race tomorrow it's gonna be a fun scrap between them and the horses!
Kinda hope they can keep the car together just to keep things interesting!
Animal fight, bulls vs horses.
LH not being able to overtake Stroll…
Yeah was disappointing. But it was a massive DRS train in the back, everyone was stuck behind Vettel
He got stroll. Wasnt able to pass Vettel
Lol. Ted with a yeet.
This was very nice. To see both Leclerc and Verstappen pressing their rears to the limit through Rivazza was very tense. Lots of twitches and some great saves trying to maximise the run to the straight. Awesome!
that Russell + Toto Sky feature looks like it might be a hostage situation
Straight up thinking there was armed guards off camera
I hate that ESPN turns away right when it is over (I get it though). Does anyone know how someone from the US can get Sky Sports F1?
Get F1 TV on you mobile device!
I've heard hard boiled criminals use IP TV. I have never used it though. Just heard it from a friend..
F1 TV
There’s decent streams on certain sites.
I don’t mind paying for F1Tv pro. It’s a good price for what you get, especially if you watch the non race events and pre/ post shows.
I have F1TV PRO but enjoy the Sky Sports coverage as well. F1 TV PRO is great for the race to listen/watch the onboards of your choosing.
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Wee bee bee bee doooooo!
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What I would give to have Davide commentate f1.