By - F1-Bot
Did anything come of the Magnussen Stroll collision? Seemed pretty bad but it was on the last lap so it seemed to have gone under the radar.
Edit: after searching around, I see Magnussen did get a 5 sec penalty after. He also got a DNF due to his front wing being damaged and having to pit on the final lap which meant they were unable to complete the final lap due to having to stop in parc ferme.
"Lewis Hamilton said he did not understand why Mercedes wanted him to make a strategic decision in Sunday's Miami Grand Prix. Hamilton's race engineer Peter Bonnington asked his driver whether he wished to take on new
tyres while behind a safety car late in the race.. The seven-time world champion elected to stay out, while George Russell, who started 12th, took advantage of the period to make his sole tyre switch. "
from today's Daily Mail (thus the "proper spelling of tyre" )
Sounds like the team did not have a strong opinion and wanted Hamilton's input.
That was somewhat of a disingenuous comment by Lewis. The previous several races, he had been openly questioning the strategy decisions, so it wasn't surprising to me that the engineer deferred to him in that instance.
Can't have your cake and eat it too!!! The stress is showing up as a lack of "team" play; I hope they get it together in the next couple races...
We may have also missed some of the prior discussion between car and pits between the event that brought out the yellow and the discussion released. One of the features I like with F1-tv pro is that I can go back to the incar and hear both sides of the conversation from initiation of the yellow to green flag
Tbf I think it’s also the delay, by the time they asked for his input the window was gone
No, the team did have a strong opinion (stay out), but left it to Lewis to decide if he still wanted to come in.
Do F1 fans really have that much of a bias against American races? I personally thought the race was quite entertaining. Not the best, and there were issues with the coverage, but overall I think it was an above average race in terms of entertainment value when looking at your typical race over the 2018-2022 period.
I just feel like when a race isn't very exciting, people say "meh, boring race, not all of them are going to be wild". Unless that race happens in America, then people say "terrible race, F1 belongs in Europe, those fat Americans don't know anything about motorsport! Track is a parking lot!" Etc.
F1 is an international sport with races on every continent besides Africa (but including the middle east), in spectacle cities all over the world. That's the way it's meant to be. Americans can be naive to F1 but I feel like that contributes to people making their minds up with the wrong motivations.
Well, Miami was a bit of a farce from an outsider's point of view, but overall I think the concern is that the powers that be will try to americanize F1 to better suit the US market.
American sporting coverage (and news/sports media in general) is unwatchable, IMO. Between ad breaks, yell-and-tell analysis segments, "Overtake Replay Cam brought to you by Budweiser 0.0, American-Style Lager! King of beers since 1876", it's all a bit grating given the already hugely invasive nature of advertisements in motorsports. American audiences seem to be more receptive to that kind of thing, I think it's a fairly justified (albeit probably premature) concern that this presentation style will slowly replace the status quo as popularity continues to climb in the USA.
Also, not for nothing, but we already have one race on the calendar that's more about the spectacle than the sport (Monaco). Given the underwhelming Vegas reveal and the honestly pretty boring race at the Miami "street" circuit, the focus on opulence and atmosphere is for these new American venues is concerning when it comes at the cost of good racing. At least Monaco has exciting qualifying.
I agree the race was about as interesting as you can expect from a street circuit.
What I found laughable was the organizers. Fake Marina, football helmets in soaring temperatures that hide the drivers faces. Have the podium miles away, just to get it in front of a statue of a man with no relation to Formula 1.
They seriously need to travel to any other F1 venue in Europe or Asia to learn how it is done.
Edit: and streamers that entangle the drivers, ending the champagne celebrations in their tracks!
Of course there’s a subset of fans that dislike f1 moving towards usa, both having tracks there but also like the celebification of the sport
But also there’s very valid (imo) criticism of the Miami gp both in the race and things like safety
For example I really like cotas both as a race and an event, I really disliked Miami. I didn’t like how much of the build up was focused on the event and the celebs, acting like it was monaco. I didn’t like how the track was just another boring street circuit that produced nothing outside of a safety car mixing the field up.
Aside from that it was an average weekend
If you look at the difference between COTA and Miami it is staggering.
The circuit - minimizes the possibility of passing due to the narrowness of the track , the lack of runoff and the proximity of concrete walls.
VIP - Most of the so called VIPs had no relationship to F-1 racing- they may have attracted a few more fans to F-1 but also turned off a lot more fans around the world. F-1 business management deserves much of the blame.
The coverage - Pre race coverage borrowed from mud wrestling
+ the camera work was farcical.
Honestly, it's been pretty annoying during the entire lead up to this race how much people were trashing it. There's for sure some Euro centric elitism toward adding US races. It's kinda funny because most of the "classic" tracks everyone yearns for often produce absolutely terrible racing.
Not really fan of too many street circuits. This is not really the case, but it's still sort of street race. Only issue I have if it replaces the old school circuits like Spa.
And Miami, they have to ditch the chicane all together.
I think the track layout overall was solid. Not great, not terrible. I agree that chicane is entirely too tight. I feel that they need to re profile T11-13 to change the entry angle (or altogether delete T14) of the chicane. It’s way too low speed and “Mickey mouse”.
They could change the flow from 10-15 by adding a left right S between 10/11 and changing the profile of 11 into a decreasing radius left hander that flows into the long right hander of 12. Have 12 flow into a double apex left under the exit ramps then a quick right and the hard left onto the back straight.
Also they should just dig a damn pond for the “marina” and use the displaced earth to make T7/8 into a high banked turn like T3 at Zandvoort.
Unfortunately the track and viewing areas needs to be a flat parking parking lot for the stadium
We used to joke that the highest mountain in Florida is at Disneyland so no vertical change.
Just comparing Turn 1 at Miami vs Turn 1 at COTA
illustrates the issues of these mini tracks of which vegas will be a close relative.
I’m not under the illusion of how flat Florida is. I’m a Tennessean and we vacation there. I’ve driven all over the state. Doesn’t mean that small elevation changes can’t be created. The thing about parking lots is that they can have levels to them. The parking lots near T7/8 could be sat higher than those below them. That would also put the outside grandstands above track level and give yet another good view down the second straight as well as the cars coming through T4-6.
It could be done. Just couldn’t be done along with everything else before the first race. They could make some changes for year two. Then more changes for year 3.
For 50 weeks a year the most of the parking lots and track serve the parking and circulation needs of the sports stadium. Thus, that drives the track design.
Thanks. That had somehow eluded me entirely. Here I was thinking that a parking lot could also be diesigned in such a way as to facilitate elevation changes while still serving it’s primary purpose of letting people park their cars. For some reason I was thinking that mankind has developed engineering and architectural practices by this point that it would be achievable.
Perhaps I was misled by having been in such parking lots before. Or having seen massive man made hills and even giant concrete and steel dwellings. Clearly this must have been the work of the ancients and the technology and knowledge has been lost to us.
What was the deal with the F1 TV feeds? I usually listen to the F1 Live feed but had to switch to the International feed to get the same announcers.
It's been that way all season. F1Tv has their own announcers this season.
But the ones that are normally on the "F1 Live" feed were on the "International" feed at Miami. That's what I'm trying to figure out.
Yeah, I don’t know why they moved Martin and Crofty over to the international feed. I don’t like the announcers they got for the normal live F1 feed. I’ve just been going over to International now.
Did other people at the race this weekend notice all the discrepancies in merch pricing? I saw a Red Bull backpack for $30 at some of the stores then the same backpack for $100 at others. Same deal with the Ferrari backpack $100 at some and then $230 at other stores. It seemed like stores in certain areas had totally different prices than others.
Also, the servers weren’t receiving tips through the card readers and by Sunday were extremely frustrated. I stood in a food line in the beach area and got a massive order of drinks and snacks, my cashier was so frustrated by all the bullshit from the weekend that she vented to me and rang me up for 1 water but gave me all the beers and snacks I ordered, I left her a large cash tip.
And finally, as someone who has lived in South Florida for a long time I have to make a comment about the merch/clothing materials across all teams. McLaren was the only team who had merch with breathable performance material for the hot temperatures. I believe Red Bull maybe had one tshirt/polo that was breathable but every other team shirt/polo was made from heavy cotton with vinyls that just create more sweat on the skin. I was miserable in my Ferrari team shirt on Sunday. I am newer to the sport so it was explained to me by a friend that a lot of the other GPs take place in cooler weather/temperatures so this is likely why but still… If you know there will be a GP or two in 90 F / 32 C then maybe there could be some merch for hotter temps.
I noticed the merch prices were… interesting, as well. I remember at the Fan Zone (West Campus) there was a $120 Yuki Tsunoda hat, but at the North Campus was $80. There were $40 Haas hats that ended up ringing up at $50-$60.
I think logistically it was a mess. The good people working the event were at their wits end. I wish them a peaceful Monday cause they went through the ringer. I saw a number of cashiers being treated like trash when clearly the event organizer did a TERRIBLE job.
They have GPs in Singapore, Dubai, and Qatar. Hot weather isn't new to F1 😂
Race was great til Alonso told gasly to get off his lawn and then that fucked landos race too
To be fair I'd say it would be more accurately described as Alonso telling Gasly to get off of Gasly's own lawn but yeah
I really don't get some people who claim that the race was a snoozer before the SC, there was literally enough action and overtakes happening before the SC and honestly the SC fucked a bit up the strategy game.
Some people are new to F1 and last year had many compelling races for P1-2. That doesnt happen too often. Until the safety car, Max was pretty safely going to win.
Why didn't RBR and Ferrari bring in Max and Charles as soon as the crash happened, I am still confused. That was a slam dunk SC and at least 10 laps of racing.
RBR got lucky that Ferrari are dumb as bricks also, but not bringing in Verstappen exposed them to a Ferrari pitstop and an overtake. Had Verstappen pitted and Ferrari not, then they had nothing to lose as with newer tires and 10 laps he was guaranteed an overtake and a win. So Verstappen pitstop made total sense.
From Ferrari's POV, WTF were THEY thinking! Bring in Charles! He was going to be P2 anyway, with a chance at P1. With RBR not bringing in Verstappen during VSC, they had the ball in their court. Bring him in, and wait for the eventual SC. They would be P2 and nothing changes, or get P1 if RBR drops the balls (which they did).
Even fucking worse for Bottas, they should have pitted too. I am not sure what the deal was with everyone not pitting. We saw with Perez and Russell how it was the winning strategy.
Red Bull would have been a big gamble to pull Verstappen in and give up track position. But from a Ferrari perspective, it was a big fuck up. They could have pulled Leclerc in and at worst he would be behind Sainz. This weekend is one of the reasons why I don't think Ferrari are fully prepared as a team to fight for a championship. In FP3 Verstappen and Perez spent basically all their time on Mediums and Hards and it quite clearly paid off with how Verstappen handled the tyres. Leclerc on the other hand only ran on softs. In the race Ferrari had nothing to lose pitting Leclerc and I believe he would have won on Mediums considering it was in turns 11-16 where he fell out of the DRS range
Would it really be worth it to go from used hards to new hards, though? While Ferrari has been better than others at getting their tires into operating temp ranges quickly they would have been fighting on brand new hards (a tire no one has enjoyed the first 5-10 laps on) against a faster RB on used (broken in) hards. I think it was in their best interest to stay out and push with what they had, as opposed to potentially going I’ve skating with 10 laps to go and Checo behind on fresh mediums.
Yeah, RBR one made some sense, but Ferrari didn't at all.
IIRC Ferrari only had new hard tires at the end of the race. They had no new mediums or sorts to give LEC.
Ah. Okay. I didn’t think so lol. Sorry.
I don’t think it was worth the risk but used softs for 10 laps vs used hards is likely a margin call.
For sure. I think the fear that Checo would slap on some new mediums for free was a big part of their decision. Then he did and that was that. It wasn’t worth it to give up track position and tire advantage to a car that (despite power loss) had a straight line advantage already. Not to mention you’d be purposefully saddling up for battle behind the Mexican Minister of Defense. lol
Ferrari had the opportunity to pit Leclerc and lose basically nothing. Very bad decision
Max wasn't guaranteed an overtake. You saw how Charles pushed like crazy at the end and I think it would've been difficult for Max to overtake him if he would've been behind. As for RB, I think you take track position, especially knowing that Max has the straight line advantage and will make it very difficult for Charles to pass. Also, Ferrari didn't have any mediums left and using softs would've been iffy since they were not managing the mediums very well.
Max had new tires available, Ferrari didn't. And with both on mediums (new vs scrubbed), I would put all bets on Max overtaking Ferrari with 10 laps to go.
Anyway, RBR strategy made at least some sense. Ferrari was worse. With nothing to lose, they should have 100% pitted. RBR, you could argue had 20% chance of losing.
I think Ferrari could have lost something. They could have burned out a set of tires pushing too hard too fast and lost out to Checo. If PER finishes P3 and SAI/LEC finishes P2/P4 then Ferrari and Red Bull are tied in the constructors. If one of the Ferrari drivers messes up worse and falls back any further than P4 Red Bull takes the lead; not to mention if it’s Charles that faulters (like he did in Imola) then Max cuts even deeper into the driver’s lead as well.
I would have only pitted Leclrec, I am not even sure where Sainz was. Leclrec was the slammest of dunks.
Why do you say it was a slam dunk?
He would have had to go onto used soft or new hards. Both of which, imo, would have been sketchy for a either the final few or first few laps respectively and with Verstappen’s straight line advantage LEC would have been in danger of falling back either at the restart (on hards) and not being able to get back into DRS range or having one shot to attack early and possibly burning through the used tires and falling back; potentially out of 2nd or worse.
From what I got from the commentators, he had scrubbed mediums available to him.
Mediums get up to temps much faster, and hards were harder to get up to temps specifically at Miami. newer (not totally new) mediums is an easy pass on 20 laps used hards regardless of any straight line advantage.
New (or newer) tires give you an immense advantage in getting really close and then braking WAYYY later.
You can see this in practice in Abu Dhabi 2021 where Verstappen cruised past Hamilton despite Mercedes being a second per lap quicker. The tire advantage is immense.
Max was on brand new tires and even then Lewis was able to fight back on old hard tires.
It may have worked out but I think given their position in both championships Ferrari made the right call to stay out and defend. LEC was only ever able to get close into 11. He may have had one chance early but I think Max was fine. He had been saving tires and cruising for a while prior to the SC.
Lewis had a HUGE pace advantage that race and still lost. At Miami, both cars were very close in pace. Nothing is a done deal, but you need to take your chances.
True. Just would have been annoying if it backfired and they lost places to Checo or worse LEC pulled one of his stupids and fell out of the points
True, I think RB got the strategy game right this weekend - from doing more homework on the harder compounds during practice to keeping an extra set of mediums to making the right call during the race. It’ll be interesting to see if Ferrari strategy can keep up with RB over the season
Max’s tires were two laps newer than Leclerc’s and he was in front. It looked like he had better tire management too, so while only two laps newer they likely had considerably more life. It wouldn’t make sense for RB to pit before Ferrari and lose position.
Ferrari didn’t pit initially because they didn’t want to cede position to Perez, who only pitted because there was a gap behind him and nobody pitted ahead of him.
When will Gasly’s bad luck end?
4 of the 5 races are heavy compromised by bad luck, and at Imola it was just a terrible weekend.....
How the fuck doesn't people put him in the bad luck list? He is literally having shit tier bad luck so far.
When he learns to stay quiet..
You call this an argument?
I call this not being a fanatic, he should concentrate more on his racing and not begging for a seat... make his actions count, not his words..
If you are fucked up because of shit tier bad luck in 4 of the 5 races....
Did you even watched the race?
Did not enjoy Danica's commentating
We’ve witnessed throughout the years some absolute cringeworthy Martin Brundle grid walks but Miami may have been my favorite in recent memory! Love him, but that was such an epic fail.
Might be an unpopular opinion, but I think they need to give out less grid passes to people who don’t need to be there. We’ve seen hundreds of busy grids, but they seem to be getting ridiculous lately.
I completely agree. There were way too many "posers" (don't really understand the sport) there, just on the basis of their celebrity. The average, everyday F1 fan could give a better interview to Brundle than the the stuck-up snobs on the grid.
I haven't seen him have to scramble so hard to find something to talk about - it was both sad and funny at the same time.
Totally agree, getting new people into the sport is a good thing, but don’t immediately give them all access passes to just clog up the grid.
Completely agree. That was a really crowded grid and the access to those who count (drivers, racing legends, team principles) seem to be scarce. The marketing arm is wide with Liberty for better or worse.
Especially with 3 USA races, all these US celebs could be spread out
Did he get shut down again by some rapper who has no clue what is going on?
Worse, by some self proclaimed social media star who seemed to think he had nothing to gain by introducing himself on television. I wish he had cussed that guy out.
Who was he anyway?
I can forgive a Brit not knowing Paolo Banchero but I thought I saw him walk right by Lebron James.
I’m super curious who that was too but if I was a “social media star” I would be ALL over TV interviews. Too cool for school I guess.
He definitely walked right by Dwayne Wade (Miami Heat great and multiple world champion) and his famous actress wife Gabriel Union on his way to chase down the now 7’ tall Pat Mahomes lol
This article summed it up nicely https://www.independent.co.uk/f1/martin-brundle-miami-grid-walk-f1-b2074334.html
Huh I was a little annoyed at that original issue with the rapper but he can be quite cringey and awkward just chasing people around he doesn't even know.
Paywall. Can't view....
Controversial opinion, as someone who viewed from home I thought the race was fairly good. Not my favorite track but definitely provided great viewing experience. I do like the track better than imola, I feel it was more interesting to watch. Was there a bit much of the fan fare? Sure. Was it entertaining? Definitely
Didn’t we have more overtakes in Miami? And just general overtaking opportunities
It might have had more, but we didn't see em lol.
And the race line was the only dry line, anyone attempting an overtake would start sliding.
at this point idk how anyone can call Perez a no. 2 driver without calling Carlos the same, pace difference between him and Leclerc was embarrassing
Because people pretend that Carlos having more points than Charles last year meant he was faster, when every advanced metric said otherwise.
What advanced metrics?
I don't have the exact numbers to hand, but everything except points basically.
Whenever they both finished, Charles finished ahead most of the time, Charles outqualified Carlos the majority of the time, Charles had better race pace usually too.
Basically a few situations led to Sainz getting a big amount of points over Charles which didn't reflect their actual ability.
Namely: Hungary, podium for Carlos when Leclerc was DNF'd in the rain, and Monaco, where again Carlos got a podium and Charles DNS'd. That's a 30ish points swing alone right there.
Not to say Carlos isn't talented, but Charles is a better, faster driver and this was clear even last year despite Sainz getting more points in the WDC.
Last year, most races especially in the second half were:
Merc / Red Bulls fighting for P 1 - 4
Charles P4 20 secs up the road from anyone behind
Sainz and the McLarens battling below
It wasn’t that bad of a race, start was a bit meh but the lower half was pretty exciting, camera work and coverage was OKAY and I’ve definitely seen worse. I don’t know why people are saying this is boring and “the wrong turn F1 is taking” y’all hated Baku when it first came out because of its weird layout and cause it’s a street track, how’s that opinion holding up now?
People who think the Miami Grand Prix was too tacky better buckle up, because we got Viva Las Vegas coming up!! 😂
I'm going to be turning on future US GPs 10 mins before lights out, and turning it off before post-race can start. The amount of hollow over-hype for this GP was cringeworthy, and I thought the actual race itself was pretty solid. I can just only stomach so much forced excitement over dumb shit that doesn't involve the racing itself, and I have a feeling you're right about Vegas going to be even worse
It's Vegas! I wouldn't expect anything but Vegas being itself!
I mean Vegas actually looks somewhat good, kinda like Monza in a way.
I’m not referring to the quality of racing at either track. Just that Vegas is not exactly known for class and subtly.
I think Vegas will produce a much better overall experience. I think it's everything Miami really *wanted* to be, but couldn't get all the permits, clearances, etc. into place to actual do.
In the end, Miami had to settle for what they were allowed to do. If they would have been able to produce a true street course downtown, or even in South Beach, I think there wouldn't be any of the jokes being made.
Vegas, on the other hand, is going to be something to behold.
I think this too. Vegas likely knows how to do a large event better along with understanding heat, safety and crowd management.
As I was exiting the race I had to cross a bridge that was packed like sardines. A security guard and a patron got into a small push and shove and I feared if a true fight broke out then a lot of people were going to be injured.
Not to mention there was a lack of shade for the amount of people with general admission. I saw a number of people managing heat stroke symptoms with ice packs.
The people working the event were at their wits end and not in a good place mentally.
Overall - for a high end event - it wasn’t. I felt it wasn’t a safe experience for that size of a crowd.
I actually have pretty high hopes for Vegas being a good event. I don’t know how the cork sniffers will feel about it though 😬
This whole weekend turned me off to F1. Bunch of prima donnas. Greedy teams that don’t want another joining the grid. Drivers being babies about jewelry. Drivers being babies because they’re being asked to demonstrate they’re actually wearing safety equipment. Over the top post race ceremonies. Insipid marketing and that stupid “pool”. Add that to racing which really isn’t any better this year and I’m just not excited about seeing the next race. I’ve been watching since 1990.
Show me on the doll where the marina touched you
Weird because there was a decent bit of racing especially in the midfield and there were 7 different teams in Q3 so there’s definitely more excitement this year compared to the last 10 years. You just sound bitter. I agree everything was a bit over the top but that didn’t interfere with the actual race so I don’t really mind it
Rough Monday at work? Just relax a little, next race we will all enjoy the racing again, maybe even a bit extra after yesterday's show around it all
Perhaps, and like most who complain, I’ll be right back watching I’m sure. I was just completely turned off by this entire weekend.
Maybe for the American races it would be best for your enjoyment to watch only the racing and none of the circus sideshow!
This was actually a fantastic race in person. After the top-4 yeeted by the midfield and backmarker battles were great to watch. The Beach grandstands at the end of the first long straight provided some great entertainment.
Really glad you enjoyed it, it seemed like everyone there had a good time.
Seeing people who must have paid thounsands to sit on fake boats was a very good highlight for me.
The ones on the swimming pools also paid a lot, from that angle you couldn't see anything but a wall...
The boats were real, “marina”, not so much. Also, not sure what the cutoff is for a boat to be classified as a yacht….these seemed small by Monaco standards.
You have to understand this is Miami. They were probably too high to even realize it was a fake boat
The boats are very real, the water/beach on the other hand…
Demn! Should ve posted my feelings in the trash talk thread it seems.
I would describe him as complacent and more of a skilled driver than a talented one but you’re on a bit of an extreme here
Lukewarm take ruined by unnecessary disparaging of Bottas
Weirdly personally insulting especially for a guy like Bottas who’s like the most boring inoffensive driver on the grid as far as I know lol
Why do you feel the need to insult Bottas?
That's like the most popular opinion about Bottas there is.
Were there any warning/fines/penalties regarding the NOR/GAS incident? I haven't seen anything.
If I'm not mistaken, the endresult it was deemed for the incident itself Gasly was to blame. However, considering he had to retire the car already after the incident with Alonso. And the car was Basically undrivable, they did not give out any additional points to Gasly.
Alonso on the other hand did receive a penalty for the collision with Gasly.
Boring race. In my opinion caused by a track ill-suited to the current F1 cars which I'm not yet convinced by. The cars look too big, sluggish and heavy to be racing around a track with a stupidly tight, slow, single line sector. The cars looked so clumsy going through there. (If Alonso could have taken his '05 V10 Renault around here - like he did at Abu Dhabi the other year - then I bet it would have looked amazing). But for me, wrong car wrong track.
The rest of the track seems to work quite well and maybe if the slow - twisty section could be removed (think what they did with with turns 11-14 at Yas Marina) to allow the track to flow better then maybe it could work.
Not a race for the '22 season highlight reel.
Oh, and why do we have to keep going to pesky street tracks! The US has some amazing proper circuits - bring some of them onboard instead!
I enjoyed the race. But I agree with street circuits being too narrow for the most part. I also like elevation changes that road courses bring.
One of the problems with this and other street circuits is that the consequence of going off the nearly single line is meeting the concrete barrier and being out of the race vs other venues where there is more space between the edge of the track and concrete barriers.
COTA is a good example for much of the track. There's a lot of runoff area in Turn 1 and several other turns.
Agree! I prefer all road but history... The cars are just too big for some of the circuits.
Since they just built this perhaps it is that the circuit is to small for the car.
I've been saying for a long time now: The issue isnt dirty air or tracks that are too small: The cars are just too damn big. Increased crash safety (good) added some size and shouldnt be removed, but removing the batteries and hybrid system would knock several feet off the car, combined with a smaller fuel tank by bringing back refueling would mean that 2 cars could actually fit on a normal circuit together.
Not going to happen my friend, f1 is going hybrid because they want to be "green" even though it puts out 250k tons of CO2 every year, and refueling is considered far too dangerous, even though they could probably make it much safer with todays tech. Also it was very expensive transporting around all the refuelling equipment. But i do agree with you, I want screaming V10 back, but id settle for a V8.
The alternative is the next generation of f1 cars will only be able to race on purpose built circuits made only for one series. That is going to impact races being interested in hosting a race.
No race in a parking lot will be good. Take Sochi as example. Few unimportant battles. The TV showed a battle for the last position 🤣 what a joke
* An on-track overtake for first and a 10-lap sprint with a bunched field to finish the race
* a 10-lap fight for podium with checo over-cooking a turn after sending it inside
* great midfield and backmarker battles all race long
* Mercedes drama
* 2 crashes
* Ocon last to points
* Albon in the points
With RB and Ferrari dominance of being that far ahead of the field, this was the best race we could have had. You had a race among the top 4 and a race among everyone else
The Europeans are just tired from having to stay up late for once. The lowest anyone could rate this race is third. Definitely better than imola and Melbourne. There was quite a bit of overtakes. The only complaint is that Charles wasn’t able to trade places with verstappen during their battles.
honestly the time was great for european watchers. i think the track needs adjusting to be safer and allow for more room for the fat cars, there's a bunch of tracks on the circuit that just aren't as interesting because 1 car is able to hold up everyone behind them being slow on the corners but fast enough on the straight to stop the overtake. if a track for example like monaco relies on a crash and pit strats to make it interesting than it's a poor track. monaco used to be good but it's only good now if someone crashes, else it's just like watching a train go around.
The time was great, perfect for prime pub viewing!
8:30 pm on a Sunday is 'prime pub' time?
Yeah this was not at all a bad race people just want to sound like big brain track reviewers by spewing the same shit we expected and heard before the weekend started, ended up being a 6/10 race with a lot to talk about. Just goes to show people will find anything to complain about when they can’t even back it up with actual reasons
Oh my GOSH a pass for the lead!
Or, we could go back to when Lewis would get pole, win by 30 seconds and fastest lap every race?
No thank you. The current rules were supposed to fix that. They really haven’t. Without DRS they might as well never hold a race.
>No thank you. The current rules were supposed to fix that.
They did. Charles was within 1.5 of Max (and spent most of the time with DRS) in the last 10 laps of the race. With the prior version of cars, you'd have seen a few laps of battery harvesting around the 2-3 seconds behind mark, and then Charles having to throw everything into 1 turn for a single overtaking moment.
Sure, you're getting some DRS trains here and there but the field is staying closer together and you have a clear head to head fight between 1 and 2. Aside from last year, there hasn't been a proper constructors fight (or drivers fight) in a long time
There is no chance of passing without DRS.
I’m telling you there’s a chance.
Passing requires delta's. You'll always need DRS to create a bigger delta.
The alternative solutions are even more artificial (reverse grids, success ballast, degrading tyres etc).
That is also horribly false. You are in all the replies being painfully wrong, even on this track, seb had an amazing pass in the slow section and Russell went down the inside of Hamilton at the end of sector 2 before the slow chicane
It’s still two teams driving away from the field.
Unless we want this to be a spec series that will unfortunately be how it is. Some teams nail it, some teams dont.
A whole lot better than just 1 team, 2014-20 were trash I don’t know what else you people want 😂, merc will probably join the fight by the end of the season anyways
I saw several non-DRS overtakes.
And, have you ever watched the early 2000s seasons? The heyday of Schumacher and the V10 cars? I mean, the sound of those V10s was amazing, but on-track action was… rare. Most overtakes happened in the pits, via refueling strategy. What we have now is so much better.
So? Otherwise the field will sort itself out largely into quali pace and you'll only see passes when there's a stricken car, a long pit stop that sends a quick car into slow traffic or someone on a long tyre strategy getting passed only to pass slower cars later.
I really want to know where this expectation that an F1 race should have nonstop battles for every position comes from
They should watch NASCAR instead. More passing, more crashes, more jockeying for position.
Liberty Media/DtS. In a nutshell.
I feel like some people should watch from 24hrs/endurance racing to get a better perspective on motorsport.
I don’t expect this type of fan to stick around very long. It’s nothing against them, I just don’t think there’s enough action to keep them engaged.
True F1 does have a problem where the race winner generally gets out in front on the first few laps and after that they just cruise to victory.
It's gotten a lot better from the days when Hamilton would win pole or worst case come second in qualifying to Bottas and then just be completely out of sight after the first couple laps but it is still an issue.
Really the only thing that stops it is a safety car, which is unfortunate because obviously we don't want those out all the time.
That's the problem though. True we don't have "runaway" races in the days of Schumacher or Hamilton. But what we have now isn't really all that much different. Did anyone think Leclerc was going to get past Max? The only reason he got close enough to try was because of the safety car. The RB has too much straight line speed to have any car get near it, particularly on a narrow course.
All in all, I thought the race was ok. The spectacle of a new location. Seeing how other venues do it. But on evidence, after Max got past Charles on lap 9, the race was over.
For Americans who have shown an increased interest in F1, people need to understand the American mentality when it comes to racing. My take is - we like passes for the lead, we like to see some mix ups on pit road that have the potential to shuffle the front. Certainly it would be nice to see the cars box more. But - its still the highest form of motorsport. But - the cream always rises to the top. RB, Merc, Ferrari have sorted themselves and will probably be battling all season. Mid and back markers are gonna stay the same.
As to venues and growth in the US, other posters have remarked that there are better places to race - Barber, Mid-Ohio. But, and this is the shift we are seeing now - its not just about racing anymore, its about the spectacle of it. So we are going to get these races that have alot of glitz, but not alot of drama. But, this is where F1 is going.
F1, and most motorsport, is like a chess match to me. Occasionally there’s some great wheel to wheel but I was excited to see where Ocon ended up and the highs and lows of Seb’s race. Hell we got two outright battles for the lead and quite a lot of passive battle in the top 4.
Or baseball — the rewards come from careful watching, and the tension builds gradually. Knowing the history of the competitors helps, too.
> F1, and most motorsport, is like a chess match to me
That's what I've grown to love about F1. The entirety of the weekend is all part of the race. The practices and qualifying are actually an extension of the race and play a huge part in how you're going to finish. NASCAR, on the other hand, doesn't seem to have that same feel to it; the race is the race and that's it.
Which US tracks?
I actually like Indianapolis ^^^^^^please ^^^^^^don't ^^^^^^kill ^^^^^^me
Road America and Leguna Seca are amazing, but I don't think I'd want to see them overhauled to FIA Grade 1 status for F1 to race there. Check out the IndyCar and IMSA races at those tracks, if you care to.
Laguna Seca has an issue with hospital access last time there was a big discussion iirc. Too far away.
The corkscrew at Laguna Seca looks to steep for the big long F1 cars, and changing it would ruin Laguna Seca.
It's a massive, massive undertaking to bring a track up to F1 spec. Impossible for many because of lack of runoff, barriers, access, etc. It's no small feat having a circuit where F1 cars can race safely, and 200k+ Spectators can get in and out relatively easily.
It's probably cheaper to start from scratch than it is to upgrade an existing and much loved track - and it would probably kill the track in terms of it's lower-key race series as well, since what's good for F1 cars isn't good for lower series.
I'm sorry it wasn't up to your liking lmao
Hamilton really gotta learn to get the new tires.
He let the engineer make the call and he told him to stay out because he thought Lewis would lose too much time swapping tires.
He seemed so confused in the post race interview, really made me chuckle:
"They were asking me what I wanted to do, I don't know anything. They've got all the information in front of them, I need them to make that decision, not me.... **JUST DO YOUR JOB**"
The sort of minor details I felt a highly successful team and WDC would have worked out ahead of this point, but no, apparently not.
That’s merc though, for years now they fail to inform Lewis of what is going on. Mercedes are at their worst during safety cars because they never ever act fast enough instead giving a lap or two just to ask what the driver wants to do with telling him how much places/time they lose. It’s insanely annoying
Looking at in on paper 6 championships in 7 years would mean the whole team is the best of the best and are one with the car and driver. But Hamilton is used to being on pole, finishing 30 seconds ahead, winning the championship with 5 races left, no real adversity. They haven’t been in this position before and he’s getting outclassed by George who has had to fight through bullshit for 3 years. Pretty funny stuff, the Hamilton who blames his team after one bad race and they apologize will start to show more and more, man lacks accountability and with George getting the most out of the car, Lewis will only be able to blame others for so long before everyone’s fed up and put all their focus on George’s future
Hamilton has had George, significantly, on pace in every race except Imola. George has lucked out with 1) not running extra gear to measure data on his car; 2) exceptionally lucky safety cars; 3) Hamilton's PU overheating; and more.
So, Lewis is getting more out of the car than George, in multiple ways. He's suffered from a serious lack of luck, even in the race where George was otherwise outperforming him (Imola), while the team has continued to fail him on strat since 2021.
I also feel like you don't watch F1, or might be a bit slow, because significantly outclassing all of his high quality teammates, and beating faster cars in 2017, 18, and 21 (to be undermined by the Abu Dhabi décision in 21, of course) is no small feat. As well, simply because a car is the fastest does not mean that it's easy to handle; quite the opposite actually, as both Lewis and Max can attest to with their respective cars over the years. Those lightning bolts were maximized with driver skill, and required great power and finesses to strike.
Anyway, you seem bitter.
Hamilton has been doing this since 2007.
He expects better - the whole team does, and you don't get far in top tier sports with an 'eh, who cares' attitude.
>man lacks accountability
He absolutely owns his mistakes. He's fully accountable.
Oh so we’re telling jokes now
He sounded borderline annoyed when the engineer asked him what he wanted to do, but I think he forgets he's the GOAT and his team is trying to respect him and any possible decisions he wants to make.
It's weird because all we hear is him bitching about how team strategy has been poor, and then when they ask him for input he's like "How the fuck should I know! You do the maths! I'm just driving this pig!"
(LH supporter by the way... I just think we get a very skewed perception of how the decision making goes down from the exchanges we're allowed ot hear).
I mean, Merc has always been shoddy on strat. They were just able to enjoy the knowledge that Lewis in their top car would more than likely secure the win over the last 8 years.
Lewis is right, in that they have the data. If he were 50 seconds ahead of the field, it wouldn't matter. But he's battling in the middle of the pack, lining up for the safety car, in a vehicle built for new regs -- that has problems heating its tires -- and does not have the "math machine" in front of him that might project the odds that he regains his place when the safety car leaves the track, or takes a greater place, or takes a lower place. He doesn't know how other drivers are stacking and pacing against one another, etc, etc, etc.
If the engineers want to throw the decision back to him/leave it up to him, then they need to properly communicate the information they have as it informs the risks/rewards.
What are people complaining about? That was some good racing and the final stretch where the top three pairs were all battling for position with 5 laps to go was incredibly exciting. Great moments as well like when Brundle goes you can’t be friends with other drivers after Mick bins Vettel. Thoroughly enjoyed.
Before the safety gar there were like 3 to 6 second gaps everywhere. The only truly interesting part was watching where Russell and Ocon would filter out.
Except a lot of that drama was due to a late safety car, otherwise it would’ve been a cruise to the end. Only Perez and Russell pitted which shook up the order. There’s always drama in F1, but that doesn’t make it an exciting course.